IRC log for #koha, 2009-10-02

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00:06 rich-away is now known as richard
00:22 * chris_n2 heads off to the strawberry patch ;-)
01:31 brendan have fun :)
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01:45 * chris_n2 begins to remember why he gave up on compiling XML::LibXSLT on Win32 :-P
01:46 chris_n2 and wonders why he is even attempting it again...
01:50 chris heh
01:50 chris glutton for punishment
01:53 chris and that was the last liblimer still on #koha
01:57 richard poor chap, prolly feels a bit like he shouldn't be raising his head above the parapet
01:57 chris yup
02:04 brendan @seen liblime
02:04 munin` brendan: I have not seen liblime.
03:11 chris_n2 it looks like we are very close to having XML::LibXSLT in Strawberry Perl...
03:11 chris oh cool
03:11 chris_n2[…]=48247#txn-669928
03:11 chris_n2 maybe end of October
03:12 chris_n2 which should remove the last impediment to a native Win32 install of Koha
03:12 chris cool
03:12 chris_n2 and maybe even an msi type install
03:16 chris_n2 g'night
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05:36 kf good morning :)
05:39 Ropuch Morning kf [;
05:40 kf morning Ropuch
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06:01 CGI482 hi there
06:01 Ropuch ello
06:02 CGI482 any one help me for catalog ?
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06:04 nicomo morning
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06:25 kf morning nicomo
06:25 nicomo morning kf
06:25 nicomo how's the weather on the eve of this week-end in Konstanz?
06:26 kf can someone help me with jquery? I want to hide the messaging tab in opac, its 7th li element in #menu
06:26 kf its getting colder in the morning now, but dry and sunny during the day :)
06:26 kf but will propably spent my weekend on training materials for monday and tuesday
06:27 kf first koha training in our project library :)
06:31 nicomo kf: very cool, when are they scehduled to go live?
06:33 kf the party is on 12th
06:33 nicomo will they be the 1st in Germany?
06:34 kf Im not sure
06:34 kf I think its safe to say the first academic
06:34 kf there is a pharmacy using koha for health books I know of and I dont know what happened to the special library listed in the wiki
06:47 Ropuch Hm
06:58 Ropuch kf: you're working for University of Konstanz?
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07:18 nahuel hi all
07:18 kf Ropuch: no, for BSZ
07:19 kf kf:
07:19 kf kf = Ropuch ;)
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07:29 Ropuch kf: I've just started work at Willy-Brandt-Zentrum f�r Deutschland- und Europastudien
07:30 CGI041 I have a query on importing data from Mandarin to KOHA
07:40 kf Ropuch: cool!
07:50 CGI041 ANybody with experience here
07:50 CGI041 Migrating from Mandarin LMS to KOHA?
07:53 kf CGI041 - perhaps better write to the mailing lists to find someone - there are not so many people here and nz and usa are sleeping
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08:05 * chris is actually still at work :(
08:08 paul_p yes, but CGI041 has left ;-)
08:08 paul_p hello chris.
08:08 Ropuch Hello paul_p, chris
08:08 paul_p (I don't say good evening, because it seems not good for you...)
08:08 chris nope, rss DDOS
08:09 chris paul_p: can you see
08:10 paul_p chris:nope
08:10 paul_p oh... yes, but VERY slow
08:10 chris ta
08:10 paul_p I have the title now
08:10 paul_p (but nothing else
08:11 chris yeah, something is maxing out our international bandwidth
08:11 kf hi chris
08:13 paul_p chris: ok, I see the text, but not the images yet :(
08:14 chris ta
08:14 chris hopefully we can get that fixed soon
08:28 kf chris: good luck! hope you can solve it soon
08:28 chris its hard to solve as its multiple (thousands and thousands) of ips all requesting the same files
08:28 chris and using up all the bandwidth
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08:38 paul_p chris: it's a DoS ?
08:38 chris not intentional i dont think
08:38 chris but thats the effect
08:39 chris i think its a toolbar, that is aggressive
08:39 chris is any more responsive now?
08:40 paul_p chris++ !
08:40 paul_p yes, it's fast now
08:40 chris kf: can you check too please?
08:41 chris (and anyone else not in nz)
08:42 chris it was only using up our international bandwidth
08:46 magnusenger chris: reasonably fast from up here!
08:46 chris thanks magnusenger :)
08:49 chris traffic is down to 22Mbit/sec overseas traffic .. from 40 (which is the whole of the overseas pipe)
08:49 kf chris: still a bit slow but loading completely now
08:49 chris cool
08:49 kf chris: dont know how fast it should be
08:49 paul_p kf: nz is always a little bit slow from here!
08:50 kf paul_p: ok, should be ok then :)
08:52 chris i think thats fixed enough so i can go home :)
08:52 chris 10pm ... too late on a friday to be at work ;)
08:52 Ropuch ;>
08:58 nahuel hi chris !
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11:05 Crusoe hi all!
11:06 Ropuch Hi Crusoe
11:06 Crusoe In Russia the university libraries have very specific task: they must provide the students with the learning aids and textbooks
11:07 Crusoe so we have to know, how many students per book do we have
11:07 Crusoe is there anything like this anywhere in the Earth?
11:08 Crusoe I'm just curious how to name my report generator
11:09 Ropuch Don't know, actually
11:10 Crusoe in russian this sounds like 'literature provision'
11:11 Crusoe and i don't like this translation
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11:11 Crusoe git status
11:12 Ropuch Crusoe: how it sounds in original?
11:12 Crusoe Cardbox of the provision with the literature - something like that
11:13 Ropuch I mean in russian
11:13 Crusoe kartoteka knigoobespechennosti
11:15 Ropuch I'll try to ask someone to translate this, wait
11:24 Ropuch Books providing reserve?
11:25 Crusoe sounds much better
11:25 Ropuch (I don't have any russian speaker around
11:25 Ropuch I just named it in polsih and tried to translate to english ;>
11:26 Ropuch s/posih/polish
11:26 Crusoe nice trick %-))
11:26 Ropuch hehe
11:26 Crusoe dzenkuju pan!
11:26 Ropuch Rezerwa zabepieczenia ksi�zkowego/czytelniczego
11:27 Ropuch :)
11:27 Ropuch What library are you working for?
11:27 Crusoe the library of the ivanovo state university of chemistry and technology
11:28 Ropuch I'm starting a page about koha in polish, but I'd like to have list of libraries using in close aproximity of Poland
11:29 Crusoe no we don't use Koha yet
11:29 Ropuch But you plan to?
11:30 Crusoe I'm not sure
11:30 Crusoe actually I'm thinking of rolling my own ILS
11:30 Crusoe which is not a monolith like Koha but rather an integrating system
11:30 Ropuch I envy people with so much free time ;-)
11:30 Crusoe a kind of
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11:31 Ropuch Hello jdavidb
11:31 jdavidb Hello, Ropuch.  :)
11:31 Crusoe hi
11:32 Ropuch Crusoe: you can try to ask native english speakers for translation of kartoteka knigoobespechennosti, maybe they will figure something better
11:32 Ropuch Ok, back to work
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11:33 * jdavidb is a native-English speaker, but doesn't speak much of anything else.
11:34 Ropuch jdavidb:
11:35 Ropuch I've came up with Books providing reserve, but I'm not sure it means what i think it means ;>
11:35 jdavidb No, "Reserve" in en_US libraries means something totally different.
11:36 Ropuch provision then?
11:36 jdavidb If it's applied to students, this concept would be "Texbook management" or simply, "Students per textbook report", if that's what it's telling you.
11:37 Ropuch Crusoe: here you are :)
11:38 jdavidb If the report is actually telling you a number of students per textbook available, then I would name it that; that would be consistent enough across all the en_ variants for people to know what it's about.
11:38 Ropuch jdavidb: I know it's not #learn-basic-english channel, but is "book providing provision" any close to what it's supposed to mean?
11:39 Crusoe actually there are different requests: one may wander how many students per book there is for a given discipline, or a set of disciplines taught by some department
11:39 Crusoe so the application requires a more general name
11:40 Crusoe s/wander/wonder/
11:40 jdavidb Pretty close, yeah.  Generally, when it's learning materials meant for students to work directly out of, it's "textbooks."   You normally wouldn't see "providing provision" as an English construct.
11:41 Crusoe textbooks? provision then ?
11:41 jdavidb Crusoe:  The first report could be simply "Students per book report", but the this the kind of thing where you have fifty copies of the same book, and everyone in a class has one, or where you have a bunch of different books?
11:41 jdavidb "Textbook provision" would be a good descriptor, Crusoe, I think.
11:42 Crusoe each discipline is associated with main literature list and optional literature list
11:42 Crusoe so there are many books per discipline and the report contains that many numbers
11:42 jdavidb I did a report like that, on another system, where certain call numbers were assigned to a university department, and we could take counts and average ages of the collection for that department.  Sound similar?
11:43 Crusoe alike
11:43 jdavidb A user didn't need to know all the call number ranges, they just entered "Art department", and got everything that we'd decided fit there.
11:44 jdavidb Our report was used so that the department could figure out what they needed to buy more of, so we called it the "Collection Development Report."    You could also call something like that a "Departmental collection analysis."
11:45 Crusoe analysis sounds very good!
11:46 jdavidb Excellent!  Anything else I can help with on that?
11:46 Crusoe thank you
11:47 jdavidb Glad I could help, Crusoe.  Never thought I'd get to help with translation! :)
11:48 Ropuch Don't forget english tips ;>
11:49 jdavidb en_US and en_UK are a bit different, and I speak the US version, southern style, but so far I've not had any trouble being understood.
11:53 Ropuch My english is result of reading unix man, some rpg handbooks and watching Seasame Street, so my grammar is often non-existen
11:54 jdavidb Sesame Street is not the worst place to learn basic English, Ropuch.  Lots of people my age (I'm 41) learned to read and speak English with the help of Sesame Street.
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11:55 Ropuch I strobgly agree, I'm 30 and started just like that
11:55 Ropuch s/strobgly/strongly
11:55 paul_p ( everybody says hello fo francharb, the new BibLibrian, started yesterday, he's a geeky librarian )
11:56 Ropuch Hello francharb [;
11:57 jdavidb Hello, francharb!  Welcome!
12:00 jdavidb <== J. David Bavousett, PTFS in Bethesda, Maryland, USA.
12:03 jwagner Bonjour francharb!
12:04 magnusenger God dag francharb! Velkommen!
12:04 magnusenger geeky librarians++
12:05 paul_p francharb => francois charbonnier
12:06 Crusoe CY All!
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12:23 chris_n g'morning
12:23 Ropuch Morning, chris_n
12:33 * chris_n sees chris found the problem w/his data pipe
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12:47 schuster Hey all.
12:49 jdavidb Howdy, schuster. :)
12:50 brendan morning #koha
12:50 jwagner Morning, all
12:52 chris_n hi schuster, brendan, et al
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12:57 kf morning usa :)
12:57 jdavidb Good afternoon, kf! :)
12:57 chris_n howdy kf
12:58 chris_n git stash++
12:59 jwagner Guten tag, kf
13:00 kf Guten morgen jwagner ;)
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13:02 Ricardo Hi all  :)
13:02 Colin Hi folks
13:03 jwagner Colin, I _like_ the idea of "large man with big stick visits patron" as a fine option!
13:05 Colin It's simple to implement too!!
13:06 chris_n hehe
13:06 jwagner But is there a Perl module for it?
13:08 Colin I suspect the London perl mongers would be only too eager to whip one up
13:08 * chris_n thought about a GPS tag for use in books
13:09 chris_n then the large man could drive right to where the book is
13:10 brendan just get conan the librarian
13:12 schuster Question - in the opac - when an item is put in transfer the opac indicates "In transit from Forman Elementary, to Dooley Elementary, since 05/08/2009" - is that a table or where is this information stored?
13:14 schuster I'm also curious about how many items I have in this situation - "transfer/transit" any sql suggestions?
13:17 Colin there's the table branchtransfers see C4::Items,pm ModItemTransfer
13:20 schuster Thanks! overlooked that table I was looking for transfers! not in the b's.
13:22 Colin select count(*) from branchtransfers where datearrived is NULL should get number in transit
13:24 Ricardo Question: In Bugzilla, how should I refer to the HEAD of a different branch from MASTER? Should I pick "HEAD" and in the comment textarea explain that it applies to other branch (3.0.x) in this case?
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13:39 slef hi all
13:39 Ricardo Hi MJ!  :)
13:39 slef I think I've botched a template update. Do we have a syntax checker?
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13:47 slef found it - LOOP and IF nesting problem
13:47 Ricardo slef: Good. I'm afraid that I couldn't help you there, anyway  :(
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14:05 Ricardo hdl_laptop: Henri, are you there? I just corrected the bug I talked here yesterday :)
14:05 Ricardo Bug 3689
14:05 munin` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3689 major, PATCH-Sent, ---,, ASSIGNED, Searching for a single keyword returns no results, although they exist
14:08 hdl_laptop Ricardo: congrats where the patch ?
14:12 Ricardo hdl_laptop:[…]tober/004690.html
14:13 gmcharlt slef: there's is a way to check syntax, actually
14:13 gmcharlt prove xt/author/valid-templates.t
14:13 gmcharlt that will catch unclosed tmpl_if and tmpl_loops and nesting problems
14:13 slef gmcharlt: I'll add it to[…]:codingguidelines some time
14:14 slef any way to run it on one file?
14:14 hdl_laptop Ricardo: imho, you could have disabled auto_truncation on your install
14:14 jwagner @seen owen
14:14 munin` jwagner: owen was last seen in #koha 18 hours, 27 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <owen> chris: I'd be happy to receive anniversary congratulations on April 10th *and* Oct. 4th :)
14:15 gmcharlt slef: xt/author/ file_name path_to_approprate_template_incudes_dir
14:16 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: seems that prepare_cached when using from command line and not CGI requires to be cautious
14:16 slef gmcharlt: tyvm
14:17 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: how so?
14:17 hdl_laptop prepare_cached(SELECT COUNT(*) FROM zebraqueue
14:17 hdl_laptop WHERE server = ?
14:17 hdl_laptop AND   biblio_auth_number = ?
14:17 hdl_laptop AND   operation = ?
14:17 hdl_laptop AND   done = 0) statement handle DBI::st=HASH(0xa0824d0) still Active at /home/koha/gitosis-admin/am123//C4/ line 2417
14:18 hdl_laptop I have those errors.
14:18 gmcharlt hmm - that may be a case where we *do* want to add a $sth->finish after we've fetched from the statement handle
14:18 gmcharlt does that make a difference?
14:18 Ricardo hdl_laptop: Well, I think that I didn't change the "auto truncation" value from the default one.
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14:19 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: this is what I thought too.
14:20 hdl_laptop But have not tested
14:21 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: yep that DOES make a difference
14:21 gmcharlt hmm
14:21 gmcharlt a bit odd though - select count(*) will always return exactly one row
14:22 gmcharlt so the first fetch ought to be enogh to clear the statement handle
14:22 gmcharlt unless DBI needs you to attempt (and fail) to fetch subsequent rows in order to mark the sth finished
14:23 gmcharlt are there any paths by which the $sth can get prepared and executed but not fetched from?
14:23 hdl_laptop I don't know.
14:24 hdl_laptop have reviewed all the code used by bulkmarcimport to hunt prepare_cached
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14:28 Colin hdl_laptop: does setting the if_active flag alter the behaviour?
14:30 hdl_laptop Colin: I guess that setting that to 1 would do the job.
14:30 hdl_laptop Should we ?
14:31 Colin It might be worth a try. (mind you I've had some nasty experiences with prepare_cached and mysql before )
14:36 rhcl Is there a Koha tag for this?[…]bedbugs093009.cfm
14:51 gmcharlt rhcl: one could make a special damaged authorized value for that
14:51 * jdavidb shudders.
14:55 slef anyone know from memory what it means when C4::Members::ModMember returns 0E0?
14:58 slef "no rows to be affected"
14:59 slef ARGH!  Stupid error
15:00 slef borrowernumber was getting replaced by cardnumber at some point
15:00 slef which is sometimes the same on this database
15:00 slef ho hum
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15:08 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: abouut what I said before I think it is because I read about the bad usage of finish and wanted to remove them all from C4:::Biblio.
15:09 hdl_laptop And I did on a wip branch.
15:09 gmcharlt ok
15:09 hdl_laptop and used that branch to import.
15:09 gmcharlt *most* uses of $sth->finish were not necessary
15:09 gmcharlt but I guess all
15:09 gmcharlt *not all
15:10 hdl_laptop prepare_cached(....,{},1) can also does the job
15:10 hdl_laptop I mean get prepare_cached OK
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15:19 nengard just had my first official work related phone call for my new job :) hehe
15:21 slef nengard: the novelty will wane
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15:22 nengard slef I know!! :)
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15:28 ccurry Hello all.  I've been testing the import of a periodical bib with 1900+ issues.  Each issue has an item record attached.  Zebra chokes on this.  I did some experimenting and found that I can import the record as long as it has 1238 items or fewer.  The import file is 46 KB.  Is there a limit to the size of an individual MARC record that is set somewhere in the zebra config?  If so, is there...
15:28 ccurry ...some reason I shouldn't increase this limit?
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15:30 slef ccurry: I'm not aware of a limit but it would explain a similar thing I've had at one site and not examined yet, so I'd love to know what you find.
15:30 slef zebrasrv is still a bit of a black box to me
15:32 ccurry slef:  I'll let you know when it becomes demystified, but hopefully somebody here has an idea.
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15:39 jwagner Question for people -- how can library staff load MARC authority records into Koha?  I tested, and the Stage/Manage records for import under Tools does't recognize that these are authorities -- tried it and Koha thought they were bib records.
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15:43 ccurry  Here's the error message from my zebra index (perl /usr/share/koha/bin/migrat​ion_tools/ -b -w -r -v)
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15:46 jwagner I don't see any link from within the staff client to an authority load script like
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15:47 schuster slef and ccurry - there is a limit to the size of a marc record
15:48 ccurry schuster: do you know what it is and if it can be increased?
15:48 schuster I can't remember what it is but that may be your problem is the character count gets off and you can't import it.
15:48 schuster It is a MARC limitation not a system limitation.
15:48 ccurry hmmmm...
15:48 schuster Let me check with someone who would know off the top of their head - our migration specialist!
15:49 ccurry any idea how to import a record with so many items?
15:49 ccurry schuster: Great!   Thanks!
15:50 schuster I had to break several records when we migrated to limit the number of characters so they would import and also to SEARCH in Koha.  From my understanding 3.2 will remove the items from the marc so this won't be a problem in the future.
15:51 schuster 99,999 - characters on a marc
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15:52 schuster So every subfield you add creates more characters.  So the number of items varies based on the amount of data in the MARC and item records attached to it.
15:53 ccurry schuster:  what do you mean by: "3.2 will remove the items from the marc so this won't be a problem in the future"  How can you import items without adding 952 fields to a record?
15:56 CGI049 I am succesflly intalling kOha , and tried to test it using sample records using cataloging menu, but the fields in add new biblo page are not compateble with my library system so how can i customize the fileds to enter new record for example a new book to the cataloging record
15:57 ccurry schuster: this particular record is 61,125 characters.  So it should be a valid MARC record.  Still doesn't index in zebra.  argh.
15:58 CGI049 i dont understan your response
15:59 ccurry CGI049: if you're referring to my last post, you didn't understand it because it wasn't a response to your question.  I was writing to schuster.
16:03 CGI049 ok thank you, I need a detailed answer for my question, my time is up now but i will not close my pc so i will get your response next time
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16:27 schuster ccurry - sorry - what I meant was that you will be able to load lost of records match and you won't have a limitation on the MARC record - currently if you load a record with more than 99,999 characters it won't even index in Koha as it keeps all the 952's accurate in Koha.
16:28 schuster It will be taking the 952 from my understanding out of the equation with 3.2 so you can have a bib with more than 250 items on it and it will still search etc.
16:28 schuster Currently I have to watch how many items we add to a bib otherwise we will search and get 1 response when we should see 2 titles.
16:29 schuster ccurry - don't forget to wait the 10 minutes or so for the zebra indexer to catch up to you when loading records
16:30 schuster jwagner - there is no authority loader interface for the staff side just the command line loader.
16:31 jwagner schuster, that's what I figured.  I was just hoping I'd overlooked something really obvious :-(
16:34 kf time to go home - bye #koha :)
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16:41 ccurry schuster: thanks for the info.  any idea when 3.2 is due?
16:41 Ricardo CGI049: When you come back, I suggest that you read the Koha 3.0 Manual -
16:42 Ricardo CGI049: For your particular question, the following topic may be particularly relevant -[…]raphic-frameworks
16:43 chris_n ccurry: alpha release should happen in the near future
16:43 chris_n ccurry: "target" release date for stable is end of November
16:43 ccurry sweet.  thanks.
16:43 chris_n of course all of the typical caveats and disclaimers apply ;-)
16:44 wizzyrea chris_n: not to mention who you ask about it; Waldo would say they're already using it
16:44 * wizzyrea fumes
16:44 chris_n waldo--
16:45 wizzyrea you know, it was "their" release, after all
16:45 wizzyrea <eyeroll>
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16:48 Ricardo I have to leave now. Take care!  :)
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17:15 slef schuster: can MARC length limit be dodged by using XML?
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17:28 schuster Probably - but you can't load XML into Koha.
17:28 schuster slef - you could xml it out and use something like MARCEdit to break it and rebuild it into a marc record.
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18:07 gmcharlt slef: schuster: actually, yes you can load MARCXML directly into Koha, and yes, it would be a way of going over the limit - there are a couple bugs still if you do that, but it is *workable*
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18:19 cait_laptop evening :)
18:19 nengard afternoon cait_laptop
18:19 nengard :)
18:19 jdavidb Hi, cait_laptop :)
18:20 cait_laptop nengard: saw the tattoo fotos - really nice! the d20 is a great idea
18:20 nengard that's my geeky hubby for you :)
18:20 cait_laptop I know, your book is nice too, but I spent a lot of time with d&d when I was younger
18:21 nengard hubby still plays - he has a group that comes over once a month and he write about it on his blog as well
18:25 cait_laptop :)
18:25 nengard yeah - i'm an open source geek and he's a gamer geek - perfect geeky combo
18:27 cait_laptop where did you find him? (perhaps interested in one for myself ;) )
18:29 cait_laptop got an email today, will give another talk on koha in april, perhaps this will attract some geeks :)
18:30 cait_laptop nengard: I will do my first koha training next week - something I shouldn't do or shouldn't miss?
18:30 nengard hehe - found him in college
18:30 nengard as for training
18:31 nengard let the librarians tell you how they work and then base your training on that - no matter how well we know koha- we can't know how those in the library use it without listening to them
18:32 cait_laptop good advice :) they had no library system before, so some workflows will change. I hope for the better.
18:33 nengard awesome
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19:02 schuster FYI I've posted more videos today on the KohaCon09 website.[…]conferenceprogram  I hope to finish getting these loaded next week.
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20:19 cait_laptop good night :)
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20:41 chris morning
20:53 brendan good morning chir
20:53 brendan chris
20:53 brendan think most of the east coasters are getting ready to head to happy hour :)
20:55 chris :)
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22:06 brendan cya later #koha everyone enjoy the weekend
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