IRC log for #koha, 2009-09-19

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06:03 Ropuch Morning
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07:12 brendan heya #koha
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08:12 Ropuch Anybody using amicus z3950 server? I have trouble with encoding
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11:00 hdl_laptop Ropuch: have you tried iso 5426 or iso 6937 as charsets ?
11:05 Ropuch Tried all - seems that sometimes there's same record in different encodings at time
11:06 Ropuch In the end i've chosen marc-8 and it seems ok
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11:42 CGI691 just installed 3.2 and I can't add a new user
11:42 CGI691 I get the error This patron does not exist.
11:43 CGI691 found this message:[…]March/009248.html
11:45 kf did you set up patron categories?
11:45 CGI691 yes
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11:47 CGI691 so anyone who is running this version?
11:47 CGI691 and it works?
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11:48 kf hm, I have only a patched version, not a new installation and its not up to date :(
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11:49 CGI691 what version of koha works?
11:49 kf the message sounds strange. what where your steps to add the patron?
11:50 CGI691 went to patrons, clicked new, selected category, filled out form, saved
11:50 CGI691 it reloads page /cgi-bin/koha/members/more​
11:50 kf a stable 3.0.3 would sure work, 3.2 is not released yet
11:50 CGI691 with error This patron does not exist.
11:50 Ropuch CGI691: i sugest trying 3.0.3
11:50 CGI691 ?
11:50 CGI691 where is 3.0.3?
11:51 kf you can download it from, look at section tags
11:51 Ropuch
11:51 Ropuch Or here
11:51 CGI691 ok
11:51 kf :)
11:51 CGI691 i'll try that
11:52 CGI691 was 3.0.2 stable?
11:52 Ropuch Quite'
11:52 kf quite... is right
11:52 CGI691 it seems not :)
11:52 kf there was a problem with requests in opac I know of
11:52 kf there will soon be a 3.0.4
11:52 kf but you can easily upgrade
11:52 Ropuch My library is working with 3.02
11:52 kf 3.0.2 or 3.2?
11:53 CGI691 seems like creating patrons is a basic function :)
11:53 CGI691 3.0.2 is what I tried, sorry, I misspoke earlier
11:53 Ropuch 3.00.02
11:53 CGI691 yes
11:54 Ropuch It's working just fine, but i remeber some problems with adding new patrons though
11:54 kf 3.0.3 is there for some time now, I think it should work
11:56 CGI691 I did: git checkout -b v3.00.03
11:57 CGI691 first git checkout v3.00.03
11:57 CGI691 is that correct for an upgrade?
11:58 kf sorry, I know just a few git commands
11:59 kf dont know how to do this with git
11:59 CGI691 still shows
11:59 CGI691 it appears the tag is done incorrectly?
11:59 kf where did you check the version?
12:00 kf I think if it worked you should get the web installer when logging into git, so that database will be updated
12:00 Ropuch CGI691:[…]lopment:git_usage
12:00 CGI691 I'm quite familiar with git
12:00 Ropuch Oh, so forget I've pasted the link ;>
12:01 CGI691 but it appears your git tag is done wrong
12:01 CGI691 even in you can see it
12:01 Ropuch I know nothing about git :)
12:02 CGI691 is what it says it is?
12:02 CGI691 because your tag has kohaversion of
12:02 CGI691 oops, the 3.00.03 tag I mean
12:03 Ropuch Hm, you can always post a message on koha-devel if you think something is not right with the git
12:03 CGI691 has kohaversion of
12:03 CGI691 srsly
12:03 Ropuch Yes
12:03 Ropuch
12:03 Ropuch Have the same
12:04 CGI691 well I did upgrade and the new patron still doesnt work
12:04 Ropuch It's confusing, really, as I was sure i have 3.00.3 on this machine
12:04 Ropuch Any error in koha-error_log/
12:04 Ropuch ?
12:04 CGI691 anyone who started with 3.00.3 fresh install? because it doesnt work :)
12:05 CGI691[…]March/009254.html
12:05 CGI691 this was reported in March it appears
12:05 Ropuch I can always sent my and
12:06 CGI691 ?
12:07 Ropuch I can sent you those files (with C4\Members, maybe) - you can always try to switch them, worked for me few times ;>
12:07 CGI691 is that the normal install procedure for Koha? :)
12:08 Ropuch switching files? I don't think so :)
12:08 Ropuch bbl
12:08 CGI691 anyone who runs 3.00.3 or tests it as a new install? sounds like you aren't running that version
12:09 kf no
12:09 CGI691 kf: no?
12:09 kf I have only "3.2" installations for testing now, earlier I had 3.0.0 patched to the next stable version
12:09 CGI691 you mean you dont run 3.00.3
12:09 kf adding patrons was never a problem sof ar
12:10 CGI691 well, in case anyone else asks, 3.00.2 adn 3.00.3 cant add new patrons when installed from scratch :)
12:11 Ropuch I don't have that problem either
12:11 CGI691 did you install 3.00.3 from scratch?
12:11 Ropuch Just checked: it was a fresh 3.003 install on new virtual machine
12:12 CGI691 also, it was reported in March here :[…]March/009254.html
12:12 Ropuch You have patron categories defined/
12:12 CGI691 yes, I have patron categories
12:13 kf was my first question ,)
12:13 kf ;)
12:13 Ropuch As ordinary user all I can do is send files i've mentioned above for you to switch & test it
12:13 Ropuch kf: ooops ;>
12:13 kf hm, perhaps git can help
12:13 Ropuch maybe
12:14 Ropuch Ok, bbl
12:14 kf lets check recent changes too
12:16 kf ok.. I thought perhaps there was a patch of something, but if there is I dont recognize it
12:17 CGI691 kf can you try a fresh install of 3.00.3 to see if you also have same problem?
12:17 kf perhaps check if table borrower was correctly created
12:17 kf sorry no
12:17 kf I have no access to our servers here at work
12:17 kf and should be working on my presentation, came in for that today
12:20 kf table borrowers
12:21 CGI691 well, it looks the same as the kohastructure.sql file, which appears to be the right one
12:21 CGI691 that the install process uses
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12:32 kf it would be good to add a bug report
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13:38 kf owen around?
13:47 kf @seen owen
13:47 munin` kf: owen was last seen in #koha 17 hours, 28 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <owen> That's why it's ridiculous to say that Koha development is only driven by developers. It ignores those of us who are librarian *and* developer
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16:54 pianohackr|work Hi, liz
17:02 chris_n2-away is now known as chris_n^2
17:02 chris_n^2 hey pianohacker|work
17:02 chris_n^2 mighty quiet in here today
17:02 * chris_n^2 bangs a virtual pot
17:03 Ropuch ;>
17:03 pianohackr|work *bang* *bang* *bang*
17:03 pianohackr|work How are you, chris_n²
17:03 pianohackr|work ?
17:03 pianohackr|work Also Ropuch
17:03 chris_n^2 well, spent the morning hunting w/my son
17:03 Ropuch Quite good, actually
17:04 chris_n^2 and just ate lunch
17:04 pianohackr|work chris_n^2: ah
17:04 chris_n^2 now I'll go dig a row of yams
17:04 chris_n^2 sweet potatoes
17:04 pianohackr|work s/yams/sweet potatoes/g
17:04 chris_n^2 hi Ropuch
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17:05 Ropuch hello chris_n^2
17:05 chris_n^2 the farmer who leases some land from my father-in-law raises sweet potatoes and has left a (very) long row for us
17:06 pianohackr|work How do homegrown sweet potatoes compare to storebought?
17:06 Ropuch I've never had a chance to eat one of those
17:06 chris_n^2 they are on the order of magnitudes better
17:06 pianohackr|work (Have been eating homegrown tomatoes this summer, will be tough to go back to cardboard and food coloring this winter...)
17:06 pianohackr|work Ooh
17:07 pianohackr|work Have you done candied yams with them yet?
17:07 chris_n^2 no, but will this week for sure
17:08 chris_n^2 we also have a recipe to do them backed w/butter and brown-sugar
17:08 chris_n^2 baked even
17:08 chris_n^2 Ropuch: you are missing a real treat ;-)
17:08 pianohackr|work Hrm, now I'm hungry
17:08 pianohackr|work That sounds pretty incredible
17:09 chris_n^2 do you have yams/sweet potatoes in Poland?
17:09 Ropuch Hm, i believe so, it;s called batat
17:09 chris_n^2 they are actually a tuber and not a potatoe at all
17:10 chris_n^2
17:11 chris_n^2 actually:
17:11 chris_n^2 "In the U.S., North Carolina, the leading state in sweet potato production, provided 38.5% of the 2007 U.S. production of sweet potatoes."
17:11 Ropuch Ipomoea batatas - that's it [;
17:11 * chris_n^2 lives in North Carolina
17:13 chris_n^2 french fried sweet potatoes are good also
17:13 pianohackr|work Yup
17:14 Ropuch Hmm, I think I'll give them a try, although the "sweet" part does not convince me ;>
17:14 pianohackr|work They're not, really
17:14 pianohackr|work They go well in sweet dishes though
17:14 Wizzyrea_ omg, sweet potato fries
17:14 pianohackr|work candied yams, or sweet potato pie
17:14 Wizzyrea_ *swoon*
17:15 pianohackr|work Wizzyrea_: A restaurant here in florence, co, serves them
17:15 chris_n^2 Ropuch: they do require additional sweetening to be good, imho
17:15 Ropuch Sweet potato aka not-realy-sweet tuber ;>
17:15 Wizzyrea_ we have a few places here that serve them
17:15 * chris_n^2 fans Wizzyrea
17:15 Wizzyrea_ HEHE
17:15 * pianohackr|work grabs a palm frond
17:15 Wizzyrea_
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17:16 chris_n^2 Ropuch: use plenty of brown-sugar and butter the first time and modify to taste from there
17:16 Wizzyrea_ in 1.5 hrs I get to go drive a formula 1 race car around the kansas speedway
17:16 Wizzyrea_ up to 165MPH
17:16 pianohackr|work O_o
17:16 * chris_n^2 covets Wizzyrea_ now
17:16 Wizzyrea_ :D
17:17 Wizzyrea_ it was my birthday present from my sweet hubby
17:17 chris_n^2 last time I had a car over 100mph, I saw blue lights flashing
17:17 pianohackr|work hehe
17:17 Wizzyrea_ ^.^
17:17 pianohackr|work wizzyreas_husband++
17:17 Wizzyrea_ wizzyreas_husband++
17:17 Wizzyrea_ I can't wait it's going to be fun
17:18 chris_n^2 whereabouts in KS?
17:18 Wizzyrea_ Kansas City KS
17:19 chris_n^2 my dad was born in Viola, KS
17:20 Wizzyrea_[…]&t=h&z=16&iwloc=A
17:20 Wizzyrea_ wow small world
17:20 pianohackr|work Hmm. What's that small building to the southeast?
17:21 Wizzyrea_ not sure, honestly i'm not really a nascar fan... I just want to drive fast :P
17:22 pianohackr|work Hahahaha
17:22 Wizzyrea_ will be my first time to the ks speedway
17:22 Wizzyrea_ ^.^
17:22 * chris_n^2 has to run off
17:22 chris_n^2 have a great time Wizzyrea_
17:23 pianohackr|work see ya, have a good day chris_n
17:23 Wizzyrea_ thanks chris_n, I will
17:23 chris_n^2 bye all
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17:23 Wizzyrea_ full report later ;)
17:23 Ropuch Bye
17:23 Wizzyrea_ later12
17:23 Wizzyrea_ !
17:24 pianohackr|work Ropuch: I've seen you at some of the meetings, but I'm not sure I've introduced myself
17:24 pianohackr|work I'm Jesse Weaver, a koha geek
17:29 Ropuch pianohackr|work: I'm Piotr Wejman, open source fan and koha user
17:30 Ropuch But I'm sure we've never met
17:30 pianohackr|work You also take care of the Polish translation, right?
17:30 Ropuch From a two week or so
17:30 Ropuch ;>
17:30 pianohackr|work For the last two weeks?
17:31 Ropuch Maybe you mean Benedykt Barszcz
17:31 pianohackr|work Maybe
17:31 pianohackr|work Sorry, good to meet you anyways :)
17:32 Ropuch pianohackr|work: I've been wroking on translation for some time, but week or two weeks ago chris made administrator of polish translation for 3.x
17:32 pianohackr|work Ah
17:32 Ropuch pianohackr|work: nice to meet you too [;
17:33 Ropuch I'm gathering informations about polish koha user, but there aren't plenty of them
17:33 Ropuch And the ones I know of are using some 2.2 fork with hardcoded translations
17:35 pianohackr|work ouch
17:43 Ropuch Yep
17:43 Ropuch Waiting for replies from 3 more libraries
17:46 Ropuch although I don't need polish intranet, I think I'll translate it. Without it no library will ever consider using koha
17:47 pianohackr|work Yup, will help
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19:08 chris morning all
19:08 pianohackr|work Good morning, chris
19:08 * chris is getting ready to go to sofware freedom day
19:09 chris
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19:11 * chris_n^2 returns with an half wagon load of sweet potatoes
19:11 chris_n^2 hi chris
19:11 chris_n^2 software freedom++
19:23 cait_laptop good morning
19:47 hdl_laptop chris : any new patches on 3.0.x ?
19:47 pianohackr|work Good morning, cait
19:52 chris_n^2 hello hdl, cait
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20:09 chris_n^2 hrmm... it appears that current code generates mod43 checksums for mod10 code39 barcode
20:09 hdl_laptop chris around ?
20:10 * chris_n^2 wonders if anyone is even using code39 w/checksums
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20:17 chris_n^2 actually current code generates code39 w/ mod9
20:17 chris_n^2 :-P
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20:27 thd chris_n^2: would you use code39 symbology without checksums?
20:28 chris_n^2 thd: current code allows three methods: code39 w/no checksum, code39mod10, code39mod43 (which is standard for code39)
20:29 chris_n^2 in reality both selections which include checksums currently produce code39mod9
20:29 thd chris_n^2:  Now I am doubting.  I wrote an application to use it a few years ago
20:29 * thd checking
20:29 chris_n^2 the 'visa' method produces modulo 9
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20:31 thd Now I remember
20:31 thd Checksums are optional for code39 and I had not used them
20:32 thd You do need the start and stop charcters
20:32 chris_n^2 it appears that anyone thinking they were getting code39 mod10 or 43 were really getting mod9
20:32 thd :)
20:33 chris_n^2 it probably only matters if you try scanning them with applications expecting mod10 or 43 :-S
20:33 thd The start and stop characters are asterisks which makes it very simple to implement
20:33 thd Definitely you need what the application expects.
20:34 chris_n^2 the library here uses code39 w/no checksums
20:34 thd chris_n^2:   Had you expressed interest in the SFLC?
20:34 chris_n^2 yes
20:35 chris_n^2 it is second to HLT on my own list
20:35 thd chris_n^2:   I think that they could and should serve as legal council for any choice.
20:36 chris_n^2 thd: they are wholly dedicated to FOSS from the legal/business standpoint which is very impressive
20:37 chris_n^2 thd: I agree on that point
20:37 thd chris_n^2:   I am less confident about the conservancy but I know the people involved somewhat.  Others do not know them and they may have less confidence.
20:38 thd chris_n^2:   SFLC invented Software Freedom Day
20:38 thd ... at least that is my understanding.
20:38 thd They are the cosponsors where I am in New York City.
20:39 thd I am going to obtain more information about the conservancy etc. this evening.
20:39 chris_n^2 thd: I was impressed with the info on their website
20:39 chris_n^2 Samba is under them
20:40 chris_n^2 and wine
20:40 thd They are council for FSF and founded by FSF legal council.
20:40 chris_n^2 They are very clear on minimal interference in the projects under them
20:41 chris_n^2 and the cost of membership can't be beat
20:41 thd Did you see what I wrote about them on the wiki?
20:41 chris_n^2 I missed that
20:42 thd Do you know what the page is?
20:42 * thd checks
20:42 chris_n^2 I added them to the chart here:[…]aheldbyfoundation
20:46 thd Do you know where the text page with similar content is?
20:47 pianohackr|work thd: did you add this?[…]eedom_conservancy
20:48 thd yes pianohackr|work found it.
20:50 thd chris_n^2:    The drawback that the conservancy has of controlling member assets is the same as I suspect it would be for HLT
20:50 thd s/conservancy/Conservancy/
20:51 chris_n^2 *nod*
20:52 thd chris_n^2:    Some of the text content from the page which pianohackr|work found should be incorporated into the chart and the other way around.
20:52 thd We need a wiki page which links to whatever there is about the issue, the wiki is a mess for finding things.
20:53 * chris_n^2 agrees with that
20:54 thd The page to which I added what I wrote about the Conservancy and indirectly SFLC was the one linked from the meeting agenda.
20:54 thd I did try to raise SFLC in the meeting as a discussion topic but I was not forceful about it.
20:55 thd I had missed the beginning of the meeting when I could not access an X-windows session.
20:55 chris_n^2 I really wish SFLC had made it onto the first poll nengard created as it seems much more relevant than IFLA
20:56 chris_n^2 thd: I missed that totally in the meeting, sorry
20:56 chris_n^2 IFLA does not have any mechanism in place to provide anything relevant to koha's needs afaict
20:57 thd All the organisations have merits for status as an additional affiliation.
20:57 thd chris_n^2:    I do not think that it matters much about the interim choice.
20:58 thd NZ is safest for issues involving Koha trademark use.
20:58 chris_n^2 thd: it would not be hard, I suspect, to gain control of the Koha tm in the US in any case if that is what the community desired
21:00 thd As long as you are nice to the Mauri then you cannot have problems about using words which are part of an official language.
21:00 chris_n^2 hdl_laptop about?
21:00 hdl_laptop yes
21:01 chris_n^2 hdl_laptop: that patch I submitted for bug 3649 should be ported to 3.0.x as soon as possible as it is a rather serious bug for anyone using code39 mod10 or mod43 barcodes
21:01 munin` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3649 blocker, P5, ---,, ASSIGNED, Code39 Mod10 and Mod43 barcodes are produced with Mod9 checksums
21:02 * chris_n^2 does not know if many are using those formats
21:02 hdl_laptop Do you have commit id ?
21:02 chris_n^2 cf523d10949c4d354cd06f88437316f530ac87f6
21:02 thd chris_n^2:    I think we should be coaxing LibLime as I am trying to do quietly rather than pushing them further away over trademarks and such.
21:03 chris_n^2 thd: I agree that it would be best for everyone if LL were to voluntarily fulfill their own promises to the community
21:04 chris_n^2 I suspect the matter will finally be one for whatever organization emerges to address
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21:05 chris_n^2 thd: I enjoyed the discussion... it gives me more food for thought
21:05 chris_n^2 gotta run, bbl
21:05 thd chris_n^2:    However unlikely it may be given the current state, I am hoping that kados finds something to use in a proposal which I have put to him.
21:05 chris_n^2 thd: I truly hope you are successful in that regard
21:06 chris_n^2 I really wish Josh would just straighten up, apologize, and get back to work inside the community
21:07 * chris_n^2 heads out
21:07 chris_n^2 is now known as chris_n2-away
21:20 thd is now known as thd-away
21:23 * chris clocks in from SFD
21:23 pianohackr|work How was it?
21:24 chris just about to start :)
21:24 chris we are just about to do the barcamp planning
21:25 pianohackr|work Ah.
21:25 pianohackr|work That's what you meant by clocked in :)
21:26 chris yep
21:28 chris hdl_laptop: i have been pushing language changes up into 3.0.x
21:28 chris (i can with gitosis)
21:29 * chris puts the laptop away for a bit
21:54 chris_n2-away hdl_laptop: on second look, it appears that only Code39 Mod10 is incorrect in the 3.0.x branch so only that part of the commit mentioned needs to be applied
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