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gmcharlt |
Jo: you get double points if you use Morse code for the smoke signals |
| 00:07 |
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nengard |
boys!!! |
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* nengard |
rolls eyes |
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| 00:16 |
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martinmorris |
good evening, i have a question i'm curious about |
| 00:17 |
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pianohacker |
martinmorris: shoot |
| 00:17 |
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martinmorris |
when adding a significant number of authorities (10000 from a MARCXML file in my case) i notice the number of rebuild_zebra -b -a -z processes slowly creeping up to about 25 or so |
| 00:18 |
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martinmorris |
as well as various zebraidx -c /etc/koha/zebradb/zebra-authorities-dom.cfg etc. processes |
| 00:18 |
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martinmorris |
and really just wondering why more than one is needed |
| 00:19 |
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martinmorris |
any ideas? |
| 00:20 |
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pianohacker |
martinmorris: What's happening is that one starts, and five minutes later has not finished |
| 00:20 |
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martinmorris |
right... |
| 00:20 |
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pianohacker |
Then another scheduled reindexed starts |
| 00:20 |
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chris_n2 |
Morse Code++ |
| 00:20 |
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pianohacker |
There's no locking |
| 00:20 |
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chris_n2 |
the original digital signal |
| 00:20 |
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pianohacker |
Though chris developed something |
| 00:20 |
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pianohacker |
... - - - ... |
| 00:20 |
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martinmorris |
so do i need to kill these processes at some point? |
| 00:20 |
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chris_n2 |
hehe |
| 00:21 |
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pianohacker |
martinmorris: Most likely. If you're going to import a huge chunk of records/authorities, the easiest approach is often to temporarily disable the scheduled reindex |
| 00:22 |
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* chris_n2 |
wonders exactly what is sinking pianohacker 's boat ;-) |
| 00:22 |
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martinmorris |
and if i just kill them now will that cause problems with the reindexing or can i just issue a fresh rebuild_zebra command |
| 00:22 |
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pianohacker |
chris_n: hehe |
| 00:23 |
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pianohacker |
martinmorris: Zebra is fairly resilient. As long as they're not actively committing changes, you can kill the processes |
| 00:23 |
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martinmorris |
ok :) thanks :) |
| 00:23 |
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pianohacker |
If the worst happens, you can rebuild your whole index from scratch |
| 00:23 |
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martinmorris |
indeed, although that's slow and boring :) |
| 00:24 |
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martinmorris |
ok, i'm off to bed, thanks pianohacker |
| 00:24 |
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pianohacker |
no problem, good luck |
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| 00:26 |
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brendan |
catchya later koha -- time to ride bike home :) |
| 00:26 |
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pianohacker |
bye |
| 00:33 |
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chris |
http://koha.pastebin.com/d2857eb94 |
| 00:35 |
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pianohacker |
Hmm. Where are the lockfile-* utilities from? |
| 00:36 |
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chris |
apt-get install lockfile-progs |
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chris |
you could do it by hand of course, just touch a file, then rm it |
| 00:37 |
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chris |
lockfile-progs is just nicer :) |
| 00:50 |
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pianohacker |
Good night, #koha |
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Amit |
hi chris, brendan |
| 03:37 |
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Amit |
good morning #koha ;) |
| 03:37 |
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brendan |
hi Amit |
| 03:37 |
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Amit |
chris: Today India vs NZ |
| 03:39 |
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richard |
hiya amit |
| 03:39 |
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richard |
should be a good game |
| 03:39 |
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Amit |
heya richard |
| 03:39 |
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Amit |
yes sure |
| 03:39 |
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Amit |
richard your favorite |
| 03:40 |
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richard |
has to be nz - otherwise chris would be throwing stones on my roof :) |
| 03:40 |
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Amit |
haa |
| 03:40 |
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Amit |
;) |
| 03:40 |
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richard |
actually, i think india will be clear favourites - even with one of the good batsmen out |
| 03:41 |
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Amit |
u mean to say gambir |
| 03:41 |
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richard |
nz can't seem to get beyond 150 runs in any form of the game |
| 03:41 |
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richard |
yeah |
| 03:41 |
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Amit |
hmm |
| 03:42 |
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Amit |
not sure cricket is game of uncertainty |
| 03:42 |
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richard |
very true |
| 03:43 |
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richard |
tho a nz batting collapse is a near certainty |
| 03:47 |
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Amit |
hmm ;) |
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Amit |
hi joann |
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Joann |
Hi Amit |
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kf |
good morning #koha :) |
| 05:38 |
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brendan |
evening kf |
| 05:42 |
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Amit |
hi kf |
| 05:43 |
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kf |
hi Amit and brendan |
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Amit |
hi nicomo |
| 06:41 |
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nicomo |
morning Amit |
| 06:41 |
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nicomo |
morning all |
| 06:42 |
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kf |
good morning nicomo |
| 06:42 |
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nicomo |
@wunder konstanz, germany |
| 06:42 |
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munin` |
nicomo: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.9�C (8:42 AM CEST on September 11, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026.0 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:43 |
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nicomo |
@wunder lyon, france |
| 06:43 |
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munin` |
nicomo: The current temperature in Lyon Satolas, France is 16.0�C (8:30 AM CEST on September 11, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:43 |
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Amit |
@wunder Dehradun, india |
| 06:43 |
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munin` |
Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 24.0�C (11:30 AM IST on September 11, 2009). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa. |
| 06:43 |
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Amit |
@wunder Delhi, India |
| 06:43 |
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munin` |
Amit: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 06:43 |
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Amit |
@wunder New Delhi, India |
| 06:43 |
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munin` |
Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 25.0�C (12:00 PM IST on September 11, 2009). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 25.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:44 |
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kf |
nicomo: just read your mail on the mailing list :) |
| 06:44 |
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Amit |
@wunder Bangalore |
| 06:44 |
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munin` |
Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 27.0�C (11:30 AM IST on September 11, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. |
| 06:44 |
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nicomo |
which one kf ? |
| 06:46 |
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kf |
nicomo: the answer to 'Koha support by BSZ' |
| 06:46 |
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nicomo |
ah yes |
| 06:46 |
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nicomo |
:-) |
| 06:46 |
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nicomo |
I'd love to visit Konstanz: don't you want to set something up? :-) |
| 06:48 |
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kf |
I give a talk on koha on BSZ Kolloquium this year, where we speak about our current projects |
| 06:48 |
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kf |
but this is in Sutttgart |
| 06:50 |
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nicomo |
kf: as an aside, do you have any contacts with the folks at Göttingen who work on VuFind? |
| 06:51 |
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kf |
I saw that there was a workshop, but dont know them personally |
| 06:51 |
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kf |
are they still working on it? |
| 06:52 |
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kf |
I know of another library that wanted to use VuFind, but they gave up on the project |
| 06:52 |
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hdl_laptop |
hello world |
| 07:02 |
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Ropuch |
;> |
| 07:02 |
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Ropuch |
Morning |
| 07:03 |
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kf |
good morning hdl_laptop and Ropuch |
| 07:03 |
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paul_p |
hi everybody |
| 07:09 |
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Amit |
hi hdl, ropuch, paul |
| 07:11 |
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paul_p |
mmm... new website for liblime.com (& RSS feed not working anymore) |
| 07:13 |
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paul_p |
with http://www.liblime.com/demos announcing the "LibLime Enterprise Koha" and pointing to a non-released-source version. |
| 07:14 |
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paul_p |
(& that is supposed to be the "official" koha.org demos :'( ) |
| 07:14 |
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Amit |
with new GetIt Acquisitions Integration |
| 07:16 |
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kf |
Koha Communiy, Koha Express and Koha Enterpriye?? oh my... |
| 07:31 |
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nicomo |
kf: yes, and even though it's not explicitly stated I have a feeling the Kohe Enterprise version, with the liblime specific code, will be hosted-only |
| 07:31 |
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Ropuch |
Sounds littlle like 'Koha Home Premium" ;/ |
| 07:35 |
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paul_p |
nicomo: it's specified (hosted only) |
| 07:35 |
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nicomo |
ah ok, hadn't seen it |
| 07:36 |
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paul_p |
(3rd line : "SaaS on LL cloud computing platform") |
| 07:36 |
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nicomo |
ah yes: "Distribution via Software as a Service on LibLime's cloud computing platform" |
| 07:37 |
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* kf |
wonders if they will still advertise with supporting open source |
| 07:37 |
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paul_p |
kf: yes, of course they do ! |
| 07:37 |
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kf |
perhaps its time for a statement from the community now? |
| 07:37 |
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paul_p |
they even add "no vendor lock in"... |
| 07:38 |
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nicomo |
kf: ++ |
| 07:38 |
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paul_p |
kf: yep. I add you in a mail i'm preparing now |
| 07:38 |
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kf |
thx paul |
| 07:38 |
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kf |
today will be a strange day - our mail from yesterday is just arriving in German blogosphere, Twitter and on the big mailing lists |
| 07:38 |
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kf |
and now this |
| 07:40 |
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nicomo |
kf: I feel the Koha community is big enough, and strong enough to overcome this |
| 07:41 |
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nicomo |
it definitely is unwelcomed, and bad timing for us all |
| 07:41 |
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nicomo |
but then, it clarifies things |
| 07:41 |
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nicomo |
and we need to move forward |
| 07:41 |
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nicomo |
we: collectively |
| 07:47 |
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kf |
and I think we need to talk about what is happening |
| 07:47 |
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kf |
perhaps its just my feeling that I dont want them to get away with this so easily :( |
| 07:52 |
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paul_p |
kf: reminder: they own and manage koha.org, so we must prepare for the worst... |
| 07:52 |
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nicomo |
let's wait for the US to wake up first |
| 07:52 |
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nicomo |
we'll see this afternoon |
| 08:25 |
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kf |
has chris seen that? |
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| 09:46 |
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bob |
hi, how does one restart the koha-zebra-daemon if they are getting the error |
| 09:46 |
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bob |
Restarting the Zebra Server |
| 09:46 |
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bob |
daemon: fatal: failed to find pid for koha-zebra-ctl.koha3: No such file or directory |
| 09:48 |
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bob |
is there a way to kill the process and start zebra up again? |
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Amit_G |
chris: NZ 30/2 after 10 over |
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hdl_laptop |
bob: yes |
| 10:15 |
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hdl_laptop |
killall zebrasrv |
| 10:16 |
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hdl_laptop |
and then remove pid |
| 10:18 |
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bob |
hmm, when i go lsof|grep zebrasrv |
| 10:18 |
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bob |
after the killall zebrasrv |
| 10:18 |
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bob |
i still see it |
| 10:19 |
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bob |
it just seems to change process number |
| 10:22 |
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* bob |
wonders if rebooting the whole server may fix things |
| 10:37 |
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gmcharlt |
bob: there may be a daeomon process respawning it |
| 10:38 |
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gmcharlt |
in which case you need to kill the parent as well |
| 10:38 |
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kf |
lunch time |
| 10:41 |
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bob |
hmm, ok ta i'll look for that |
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chris |
wow, thats pretty naff |
| 11:18 |
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chris |
i agree with kf, nicomo and paul_p ... that is the last straw |
| 11:19 |
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paul_p |
hi chris |
| 11:21 |
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chris |
hi paul_p |
| 11:24 |
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chris |
the more annoying thing is, he will be busy spinning it in some way blaming the community and saying how we forced him to do this to his customers |
| 11:27 |
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chris |
ah well, this day has been coming for a while |
| 11:36 |
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chris |
i hope that his clients will be smart enough to look past his lies |
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kf |
hi chris |
| 11:50 |
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kf |
I think an official statement from the community is needed so that people know both sides |
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chris |
i think so too kf |
| 11:54 |
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kf |
I have a koha presentation to new colleagues in a few minutes, I will try to catch up with my mails after that |
| 11:54 |
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chris |
good luck |
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kf |
thx :) |
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chris |
gonna be an interesting weekend thats for sure |
| 12:01 |
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jdavidb |
:) Hi, chris! |
| 12:01 |
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chris |
heya jdavidb |
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|Lupin| |
hi |
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jdavidb |
Hi |Lupin|! :) |
| 12:05 |
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kf |
bbl |
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|Lupin| |
hi jdavidb |
| 12:06 |
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|Lupin| |
I've a file listing Debian package to install to make Koha work on an unstable distro. Does this interest somebody ? Could/should this file be made available somehow ? |
| 12:07 |
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jdavidb |
Yes, please, Lupin! |
| 12:07 |
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jdavidb |
I'm loving my Lenny installs, but knowing what's up for the *next* release is a Good Thing. |
| 12:09 |
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|Lupin| |
jdavidb: shall I send the file to you ? just send me an e-mail addess in a private message if that's ok with you |
| 12:11 |
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chris |
ok time for me to go to sleep |
| 12:13 |
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gmcharlt |
|Lupin|: you could also do a patch start seeding install_misc/debian-unstable.packages |
| 12:14 |
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|Lupin| |
goodnight chris ! |
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|Lupin| |
gmcharlt: sure, will submit it during the week-end |
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Amit_G |
galen: have a nice weekend |
| 12:20 |
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Amit_G |
nice weekend to all |
| 12:20 |
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gmcharlt |
Amit_G: you too |
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* jdavidb |
remembers why he enjoys this community so darn much. Collaborating with someone far, far away, on a point of mutual interest, is really nice. |
| 12:43 |
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jdavidb |
Hey, gmcharlt: If |Lupin| gets his debian-squeeze.packages file in, I could probably get an INSTALL.debian-sqeeze file put together pretty quick. Any chance of slipping 'em into 3.2? ;-) |
| 12:44 |
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gmcharlt |
jdavidb: sure |
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jdavidb |
Yay! |
| 12:50 |
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paul_p |
jdavidb: ;-) |
| 12:51 |
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jdavidb |
paul_p: :D I was telling Sébastien a bit ago how much being in this group has expanded my worldview. It's been really great, and it was *awesome* meeting you at KohaCon in April. :) |
| 12:59 |
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* chris_n |
reads the news with much disappointment |
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paul_p |
chris_n: which one is a disappointment ? |
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nahuel |
which news ? |
| 13:01 |
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chris_n |
paul_p: LL's decision to sever ties w/ the community |
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nahuel |
chris, But they are still using the koha.org website for their communication... |
| 13:02 |
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chris_n |
which imho makes it all the worse |
| 13:02 |
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paul_p |
chris_n: now, it's public. Which is much better than the previous situation, where things were hidden & not publicly said. |
| 13:03 |
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* jdavidb |
must have missed something; I saw Nicole's message this morning, and was unsurprised by it. What are y'all seeing? |
| 13:04 |
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paul_p |
jdavidb: look at http://www.liblime.com/products/koha |
| 13:04 |
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chris_n |
jdavidb: no surprise, just a sense of finality in it and the distasteful duty which now falls to the community to address a situation which should not have ever been an issue |
| 13:05 |
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jdavidb |
Gosh, think they can make the community look any more lame on those pages? Lordy. Yeah, that doesn't look good. |
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jdavidb |
chris_n: speaking as me-as-me, and me-as-PTFS both, I feel like the vendors probably oughta do our best to kinda stand off a little bit from it. Be there, be supportive, but no one of us, IMO, should make any moves that look like lead-taking. |
| 13:11 |
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* chris_n |
thinks having an incorporated foundation in place (would have) will head off this sort of thing in the future as much as is possible |
| 13:12 |
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* jdavidb |
inserts Sandard Disclaimer here. My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my bosses, or any other person. |
| 13:12 |
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jdavidb |
I agree, chris_n. Having some structure in place external to the vendors--in which we participate in some way, certainly--would head off many problems. |
| 13:13 |
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chris_n |
people will always discover ways to violate the spirit of the law if not the letter, but a foundation will have a greater authority |
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|Lupin| |
till soon, everybody |
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| 13:13 |
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jdavidb |
I'm not terribly fond of the Apache foundation process--it can be a little cumbersome at times. But one thing I am fond of--there are *no* vendors mentioned on the ASF pages; only people. |
| 13:14 |
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jdavidb |
Some of those people obviously work for companies that are making money off of ASF work, but it's *people* that make the projects go, and that's what the meritocracies are about...people, not companies. |
| 13:15 |
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* jdavidb |
would *love* to see koha.org set up like that. |
| 13:27 |
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paul_p |
jdavidb: there are pros and cons about having companies or not. Koha widely differs from Apache, and I think it's a good idea to have a directory on koha.org (that would be handled by neutral ppl, you get 1 point on this). |
| 13:28 |
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paul_p |
+ I strongly think the LL changes is not linked to the ptfs history. |
| 13:28 |
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paul_p |
(but explaining why I think that would be too long) |
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jdavidb |
paul_p: fair 'nuf. Having seen both sides of the LL/PTFS scrap, that was really a separate problem from what's going on now. (might have been a symptom of a larger problem.) |
| 13:31 |
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jdavidb |
Truly-neutral handling of a directory of vendors would be fine with me--but that neutrality is something that Foundation would need to protect very fiercely, IMO. |
| 13:31 |
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paul_p |
a symptom or a catalyser... |
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* jdavidb |
nods. |
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jdavidb |
Hi, kf! |
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jdavidb |
Mornin', collum. |
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collum |
Hi jdavidb |
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kf |
hi jdavidb |
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hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: I think it could be a good idea to create a submodule for zebra configuration files |
| 13:50 |
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gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: agreed, maybe with a little abstraction of indexing config to boot |
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hdl_laptop |
I think i donot follow you. |
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hdl_laptop |
Abstract what ? |
| 13:53 |
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jdavidb |
follows gmcharlt's line of thinking, and agrees vigorously! |
| 13:53 |
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jdavidb |
I'm all for it, Galen. |
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gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: my idea is that the idexing config would be expressed in general terms |
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gmcharlt |
that could be used to emit Zebra config |
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gmcharlt |
and later extended to emit Solr configs |
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hdl_laptop |
Yes agreed. |
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jdavidb |
So the user interface would say, create an index called <foo>, which watches field/subfields <bar>,<baz>, and <quux>, and the module takes care of the hairy details? |
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hdl_laptop |
But then it would require a tool for management of that |
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kf |
nice |
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gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: yeah, there should be a tool eventually |
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kf |
something like conditional indexing would be nice to: index 880 in index title when $6245 |
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jdavidb |
Save that in a config table, and have rebuild_zebra yank it out and build its' own configs when -r -w is called. |
| 13:57 |
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gmcharlt |
pretty much, though a bit more caching of the config would be better |
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hdl_laptop |
jdavidb: would not be efficient for everyday use, unless the tool writes the files... rather than creates all the time |
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jdavidb |
That's what I was thinking, hdl. If you change these tables, you'd need to run rebuild_zebra anyway, so have it rebuild the zebra-*.config files as a first step. |
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hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: anything I could do to help with newacq branch ? |
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gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: hang on 15 minutes |
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hdl_laptop |
no problems |
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chris_n |
gmcharlt++ #user-definable zebra indexes |
| 14:19 |
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owen |
If Koha became part of the Apache Software Foundation, what would that mean for the koha web site? |
| 14:19 |
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owen |
(and ASF is just a for-instance) |
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hdl_laptop |
I can see no link between Website and being part of a foundation |
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owen |
Would being part of such a foundation give us the collective resources necessary to take koha.org out of any one company's hands? |
| 14:25 |
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hdl_laptop |
ressources are what you bring. |
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hdl_laptop |
Foundation itself, unless we join a big foundation, has no money on itself |
| 14:26 |
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schuster |
koha.org still has to virtually reside someplace and that domain has to be owned by someone... |
| 14:26 |
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hdl_laptop |
And i doubt that you can start joining and first ask for money. |
| 14:26 |
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hdl_laptop |
schuster: yes. |
| 14:27 |
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hdl_laptop |
But maybe not in one's vendor hands |
| 14:27 |
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wizzyrea |
how long until the domain registration runs out? |
| 14:27 |
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paul_p |
wizzyrea: which one ? |
| 14:27 |
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chris_n |
as I understand it, koha was in use in the USA prior to LL's existence; if so the prior user has the right to file a petition to cancel the registration based on evidence of its prior use |
| 14:27 |
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paul_p |
('morning) |
| 14:28 |
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owen |
chris_n: Good point. |
| 14:28 |
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paul_p |
chris_n: the problem here, is the contract btw katipo & LL. If he says "katipo sells DNS & name & copyright to LL", then it's a bad news. |
| 14:28 |
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wizzyrea |
koha.org, december 2012 |
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* chris_n |
refers to the us TM of koha which would affect the ownership of domain as well |
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chris_n |
paul_p: I don't think katipo copyrighted or tm'd the name |
| 14:30 |
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wizzyrea |
http://www.directnic.com/whois[…]hp?query=koha.org whois info |
| 14:30 |
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hdl_laptop |
koha is a common noun in NZ so cannot be even trademarked in NZ |
| 14:30 |
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paul_p |
chris_n: i'm sure they didn't, because koha is like "hello" in NZ |
| 14:30 |
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chris_n |
but they could answer that |
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chris_n |
paul_p: didn't Biblibre use the "Koha" "brand" in the US prior to LL? |
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hdl_laptop |
No, only in France |
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* chris_n |
believes someone did, but is not familiar with the early history of koha in the US |
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paul_p |
hdl_laptop: not really, my 1st customer has been... NPL (thanks again stephen) |
| 14:32 |
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owen |
So if anyone, it was NPL that "used" the Koha brand. |
| 14:32 |
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paul_p |
chris_n: here is the history: I started working on koha on 2002, oct 1st, as self employed person, and I got the NPL contract on Oct 3rd ! |
| 14:33 |
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chris_n |
I think there may be enough "prior usage" to build a case on if need be |
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owen |
Good luck getting us to pony up the money for a lawyer. |
| 14:33 |
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paul_p |
chris_n: I think we would have less pain moving to openkoha.org ;-) |
| 14:33 |
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wizzyrea |
yes, abandoning ship on that doman might be easier :P |
| 14:33 |
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chris_n |
paul_p: I think so too |
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wizzyrea |
not to mention... erm... more embarrassing |
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* chris_n |
imagines a plethora of suit/counter-suit and runs the other way... fast |
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paul_p |
git is not a problem, mailing lists are ours (BibLibre), so the only problem (but it's large), is the website... |
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paul_p |
(it's large because there are a lot of references to koha.org all around the web) |
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wizzyrea |
and good luck getting a redirect |
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paul_p |
wizzyrea: of course... |
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kf |
http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]ytext.pl?RC=14230 |
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owen |
"LibLime Enterprise Koha represents the most advanced and comprehensive open-source ILS solution available to libraries." |
| 15:47 |
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owen |
Except it's not open source anymore. |
| 15:47 |
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wizzyrea |
Well, open by letter, but not by spirit |
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jdavidb |
owen++ |
| 15:49 |
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owen |
"Just to make one thing crystal clear: All of LibLime's development efforts will be available to the library community under an open-source license" |
| 15:49 |
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owen |
Dumping a tarball in the community's lap isn't exactly sharing. |
| 15:50 |
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owen |
"Here's our forked code. Integrate it if you can." |
| 15:51 |
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wizzyrea |
not to mention that it creates vendor lock in, since no one else (without reverse engineering) will be able to maintain that install. |
| 15:51 |
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kf |
yep |
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kf |
but most people wont understand that :( |
| 15:52 |
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wizzyrea |
and you certainly are looking at a proper migration if you want to go between the two versions |
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* wizzyrea |
frowns |
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jdavidb |
yep. Big-time. |
| 15:52 |
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kf |
and they have some really nice features in their enterprise.... :( |
| 15:52 |
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owen |
"Koha Enterprise, now with vendor lock-in" |
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wizzyrea |
frankly, I don't think there's much there that isn't in the works by someone else |
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wizzyrea |
it will just take longer to get |
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jdavidb |
We've been working some of those, kf, but hadn't quite got 'em ready to toss over the wall before 6 Sept. :( |
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kf |
yes |
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kf |
of course nobody did hourly loans for koha after liblime promised ths feature for 3.2... |
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paul_p |
kf: I wouldn't be so negative about ppl not understanding. If everybody does enough noise, I hope ppl will understand. And as there is more than 1 vendor for Koha in US, others will be able to do their jobs and point the problems. |
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wizzyrea |
yea, that's the annoying bit, the promised the community that the features were coming... to the community |
| 15:54 |
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wizzyrea |
and now they're not |
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paul_p |
in french we say "promises engages only those listening them" (heavy frenchisms heavily suspected...) |
| 15:55 |
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wizzyrea |
how is it in french? |
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paul_p |
"les promesses n'engagent que ceux qui les écoutent" |
| 15:55 |
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wizzyrea |
yep, that makes more sense (to me anyway) |
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kf |
not to me :) |
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paul_p |
kf: i Haven't speak german for 15 years. Won't try to translate, sorry :( |
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jdavidb |
kf: Google Translate renders it as:bindende Zusagen, dass diejenigen, die zuhören, but it makes a total hash when Paul's statement is fed to it and asked for English. |
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kf |
paul_p: no problem. Its just I regret sometimes not to have learned french, chose russian instead in school. |
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chris_n |
paul_p: actually it comes across clearly in English |
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kf |
makes no sense - Google does not translate very well to German |
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jdavidb |
"binding promises that those who listen?" Oh! A promise binds those who *listen* to it, right? |
| 15:58 |
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nicomo |
jdavidb: right |
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wizzyrea |
that was what I got out of it, lol |
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* jdavidb |
cannot brain today; he has the dumb. And he talks Texan only, most of the time. |
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paul_p |
engage for bind. That's a big frenchism ;-) |
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* wizzyrea |
loves frenchisms |
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paul_p |
"engager" in french is not a matter of love or getting married ;-) |
| 16:00 |
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wizzyrea |
irony... |
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paul_p |
bind is much better ;-) |
| 16:00 |
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wizzyrea |
we has it |
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gmcharlt |
jdavidb: there's alwas Texas Cajun |
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gmcharlt |
no excuse for not knowing French ;) |
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wizzyrea |
jdavidb: pwnt by gmcharlt! |
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jdavidb |
gmcharlt, you're forgetting how *big* texas is. the cajun folk might as well have been on Mars, they were so far from me. |
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owen |
For that matter jdavidb ought to know Czech too: http://www.czechheritage.org/ |
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wizzyrea |
jdavidb: that's no excuse! |
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wizzyrea |
;) |
| 16:01 |
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nicomo |
I once heard a Cajun person talking: I couldn't understand a word |
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gmcharlt |
jdavidb: I was an Alaskan for a while; split Alaska in two and Texas becomes the third biggest state ;) |
| 16:01 |
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schuster |
Sad day in Koha land...;( |
| 16:01 |
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wizzyrea |
schuster: very. What do you think about it? |
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jdavidb |
Abilene is 120 miles (~193km) away from the wrong side of the middle of nowhere. |
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wizzyrea |
(besides sad) |
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paul_p |
schuster: you should be more positive. now things are public. We will be able to do something ! |
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wizzyrea |
I do appreciate paul_p... he's always so positive! |
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* paul_p |
tired of all this rumors that we faced for months... |
| 16:03 |
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kf |
what makes me angry is, they still can pick the nice thinigs we do |
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kf |
if someone makes a better hourly loan they can just go and copy the code |
| 16:03 |
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kf |
its seems so unfair. |
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gmcharlt |
kf: don't be angry at that - if we want to share, we share to any and all |
| 16:04 |
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nicomo |
gmcharlt: ++ |
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jdavidb |
gmcharlt++ |
| 16:04 |
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paul_p |
and migrate their already LL Enterprise Koha ? I wouldn't be the one having to deal with that ! |
| 16:04 |
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kf |
you are right, its just it feels so unfair |
| 16:04 |
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paul_p |
no, it's a technical nonsense and dead-end ! |
| 16:05 |
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jdavidb |
Migrating one of their customers who's on the "Enterprise" edition would be a significant pain, too true. |
| 16:05 |
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nicomo |
and besides, if they do fork, they'll have problem integrating what we do too |
| 16:05 |
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wizzyrea |
nicomo: it's not an if, anymore |
| 16:05 |
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paul_p |
nicomo++ |
| 16:05 |
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wizzyrea |
it's done. |
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nicomo |
wizzyrea: it is |
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owen |
They're forking. They promise to reject any community-contributed patches which don't meet their own standards. |
| 16:06 |
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nicomo |
but I guess technically they could still merge our stuff in without too much of an investment |
| 16:06 |
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nicomo |
whereas in a while it's going to be just impossible |
| 16:06 |
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gmcharlt |
nicomo: nope, merging gets progressively more difficult for *both* sides for the fork |
| 16:06 |
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paul_p |
can I say I'm feeling like someone seeing LL747 going to hit a tower today? |
| 16:07 |
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nicomo |
gmcharlt: yes, that's what I meant |
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chris_n |
imho the greater concern is the intangible "good-will" associated with the "koha" name and how to recover that in the case of a name modification/change |
| 16:07 |
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nicomo |
but could'nt express myself clearly, sorry |
| 16:07 |
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gmcharlt |
paul_p: that's going just a bit too far :) |
| 16:07 |
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chris_n |
the code is open source regardless of the outcome of this situation |
| 16:08 |
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nicomo |
forking cuts both ways : those on the LL entreprise fork won't be able to get the community stuff pretty soon |
| 16:09 |
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schuster |
The spirit of opensource with LibLime is lost. For those of us that have to bid for services when there are multiple companies that can provide the service this gets more difficult - especially when it comes to development. |
| 16:09 |
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wizzyrea |
yea, and that makes me, as a LL customer, feel like I"m swimming in the LL lagoon |
| 16:09 |
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wizzyrea |
not on the koha ocean |
| 16:09 |
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nicomo |
nice analogy |
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* chris_n |
thinks of "the creature from the black lagoon" ;-) |
| 16:10 |
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* paul_p |
remember New caledonia "ile des pins" lagoon, but this one is probably not the same kind of lagoon... |
| 16:11 |
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schuster |
I'm locally hosted so this brings me to a whole new problem - choose LL enterprise or have to bid out support services... Anybody have an RFP? |
| 16:11 |
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wizzyrea |
when I put it that way to josh, he said "well I see it as the other way around... liblime has the ocean" and I didn't have the energy to pursue him on it |
| 16:11 |
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paul_p |
LL has the ocean... wow... i'm really really astonished ! |
| 16:12 |
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schuster |
LibLime does have an ocean in the development "PLAN" right now but how soon will his well dry up when all of these people signed on as an Open Source ILS - once it forks they won't be OpenSource freely. |
| 16:13 |
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schuster |
We will be back to a proprietary system and to maintain it they will raise fees etc... putting them back on the original Proprietary model we all chose to leave. |
| 16:13 |
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owen |
I just don't understand their motivation. Why turn your back on a global family of developers giving you free stuff? |
| 16:14 |
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paul_p |
http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]ytext.pl?RC=14231 |
| 16:14 |
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schuster |
Control.. |
| 16:14 |
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kf |
fearing competition? |
| 16:14 |
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paul_p |
owen: when you think you're better than everybody, at the end, you think everybody is wrong and you're right. |
| 16:15 |
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owen |
"the library can utilize documentation and community support to proceed with data migration and configuration of the new system" |
| 16:15 |
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owen |
You've got to be kidding me. |
| 16:16 |
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paul_p |
( LL timing is quite good. They're underwhelming the bad announce with a lot of announces that sounds nice ! ) |
| 16:16 |
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owen |
"Here's your Koha installation, now go mooch off the community we thumbed our noses at" |
| 16:17 |
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* chris_n |
finally grasps paul_p's 9/11 remark.... :-P |
| 16:18 |
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paul_p |
hey, a "funny" thing to do: add a "poison pill" into koha official, displaying a news on koha express setups (from the url that will probably be *.liblime.com) |
| 16:18 |
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paul_p |
(or *.kohalibrary.com) |
| 16:19 |
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kf |
Is Koha Express the old Koha Classic? |
| 16:19 |
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owen |
Has anyone tried to take up Liblime's offer to share *.kohalibrary.com? |
| 16:19 |
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jdavidb |
Classic was all 2.2 systems, when I was there. |
| 16:20 |
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paul_p |
or another one (that will probably be unfair, but I throw it : if we detect the url is kohalibrary.com, send the mail address of all branches to fairuseofkoha gmail.com, then, contact them to explain) |
| 16:20 |
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kf |
ah, thx jdavidb |
| 16:20 |
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paul_p |
if they REALLY plan to deploy koha official, there are zillions of way to do things like this one ! |
| 16:21 |
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jdavidb |
They had a thing that was called "Small Library Bundles", and those were about where the Express is, only with conversion and support. |
| 16:21 |
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owen |
Remind me not to get on paul_p's bad side! :) |
| 16:21 |
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wizzyrea |
holy moly no kidding |
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* jdavidb |
finds paul_p to be sneaky and mean, and finds that one more reason to like him. |
| 16:21 |
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wizzyrea |
of course |
| 16:21 |
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paul_p |
owen: lol |
| 16:21 |
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wizzyrea |
since you've discussed them here they're public record |
| 16:21 |
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wizzyrea |
and they would take action to prevent it |
| 16:22 |
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wizzyrea |
oh, I just love games of cat and mouse |
| 16:22 |
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jdavidb |
'specially when you're the cat, wizzyrea? |
| 16:22 |
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wizzyrea |
meow! |
| 16:22 |
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jdavidb |
lol |
| 16:22 |
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paul_p |
wizzyrea: I know it's public. And I don't really plan to do that. I just want to point it's a technical non-sense to go this way |
| 16:22 |
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wizzyrea |
paul_p I know you know :) |
| 16:23 |
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* wizzyrea |
is trying to be funny, and failing. This is serious business! |
| 16:23 |
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* gmcharlt |
does point out that he has no intention of pushing patches that are in any sense retaliatory - Koha Official qua the software itself shoudl be about benefit to libraries and their patron |
| 16:23 |
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paul_p |
hey, something we WILL do: the doc will move soon (for sure...) it will display a red-large thing on 1st page. |
| 16:23 |
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rhcl |
You know, I'm kinda on the fringe of this whole thing, but I don't see the whole LL/community issue in nearly as negative a sense as some apparently. I mean, this is an opportunity to move on with the project, right? This development situation seems to be really common in the OS world, but good projects survive and become really successful. |
| 16:24 |
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paul_p |
rhcl++ that's why i'm also positive |
| 16:24 |
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owen |
rhcl: the problem right now is that Liblime still has a lot of power over the community, in particular with koha.org |
| 16:24 |
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paul_p |
(long term, because, short term, it's a pain) |
| 16:24 |
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wizzyrea |
gmcharlt ++ |
| 16:25 |
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chris_n |
gmcharlt++ # that is exactly as it should be; this is FOSS and nothing less |
| 16:25 |
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jdavidb |
rhcl++ ...but you're not on the fringe, IMO. You're here, and that puts you smack dab in the middle. People who don't use Koha, or don't code Koha....that's the fringe. |
| 16:25 |
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jdavidb |
@karma gmcharlt |
| 16:25 |
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munin` |
jdavidb: Karma for "gmcharlt" has been increased 48 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 48. |
| 16:25 |
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rhcl |
Well, we're still trying to get serials running... :) I don't feel like I'm in the middle yet. |
| 16:26 |
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rhcl |
openkoha.org seems good to me |
| 16:26 |
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paul_p |
gmcharlt: I agree. just to be clear: I don't plan to do anything harmfull for Koha or librarians. I just want to make clear that what LL does is a technical non-sense ! |
| 16:27 |
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gmcharlt |
paul_p: yeah, I figured :) |
| 16:28 |
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jdavidb |
I heard chris use the best term I've heard yet for what's happened: LL has "lost the plot." |
| 16:33 |
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kf |
Its on the mailinglists now: Erik Lewis on [Koha]: Is Koha now officially forked? |
| 16:36 |
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paul_p |
look at http://koha.org/ |
| 16:37 |
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nicomo is now known as nicomo_away |
| 16:38 |
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chris |
wow, you know its a big koha news day when the computers in the house are all beeping loudly as they see tweets and emails galore |
| 16:39 |
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* chris |
goes round turning off speakers |
| 16:39 |
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gmcharlt |
paul_p: http://koha.org is timing out for me at the moment |
| 16:39 |
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gmcharlt |
ah, here it is back |
| 16:39 |
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paul_p |
gmcharlt: was not 2mn ago |
| 16:39 |
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paul_p |
yep, it was this (french) morning too |
| 16:39 |
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paul_p |
it's probably the plone effect ;-) |
| 16:40 |
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chris_n |
chris: heh, good morning |
| 16:41 |
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kf |
chris: good morning |
| 16:41 |
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chris |
gotta say i agree with the sentiment that im glad this is finally public |
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paul_p |
chris++ |
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chris |
now we can call damage, route around it, and move on |
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* chris |
wonders who will be the first to reply to erik's email |
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chris |
not me, cos its 4.45am ... and i need to go back to sleep |
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* chris |
wanders off back to bed |
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* chris_n |
thought 4 hours of sleep was a bit lean... and on a Saturday morning too ;-) |
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kf |
need to leave now - bye #koha |
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* paul_p |
has to leave now (7pm in France, and we have guests today) |
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kf |
going to the movies :) |
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chris_n |
bye paul_p && kf |
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kf |
bye :) |
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wizzyrea |
bye everybody |
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* wizzyrea |
is not leaving yet thoug |
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* owen |
remembers movies |
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* wizzyrea |
does too |
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owen |
It's a dim memory...about three kids back. |
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* wizzyrea |
wistfully remembers popcorn, and the seats with the raiseable armrests... and snuggling... |
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wizzyrea |
mine's not that dim, but still pretty dim. Good sitters are hard to come by around here. Or I'm just too picky. That's probably it |
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owen |
We were too picky with #1. Should have seen more movies back then. |
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* chris_n |
lets the older children babysit the youngest one |
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jdavidb |
hm....the last time I took a date to the movies, that was before the raiseable armrests were all that popular. Must try to find a date some time. |
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jdavidb |
And my evil minion is 16, and can watch herself! |
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wizzyrea |
hi biglego :) |
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owen |
Time for a three- or four-martini lunch |
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jdavidb |
hi, kr1shnan! :) |
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kr1shnan |
jdavidb: Hi! |
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owen |
Damn, no /good/ news in the last hour? |
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sekjal |
owen: seems not |
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brendan |
quieted down for the moment -- but geeze |
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sekjal |
well, at least an official statement has been issued. |
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brendan |
response to questions from the mailing list? |
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sekjal |
no; the list has only been community members reactions at this point |
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brendan |
ok -- thought I missed sometime |
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owen |
There has been some back-and-forth on the liblime-users list. Some questions, some complaining (me) and some "Yay, go Liblime" |
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wizzyrea |
owen: did you note who that was from? |
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wizzyrea |
...I did. Heh. |
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owen |
Yup |
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brendan |
I'm guessing waldo ? |
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owen |
"Yay Liblime, down with open source!" |
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wizzyrea |
you didn't hear it from me >.> |
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sekjal |
well, at least someone's happy |
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brendan |
where's waldo :) |
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owen |
Not on the Koha list it seems. |
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brendan |
hehe |
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sekjal |
I guess I don't have to bug them anymore about saying something official |
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brendan |
I listen to talk radio during the day -- (usually a sports station from new york) wish that these announcers would break down the koha community at the moment |
| 18:31 |
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wizzyrea |
wow, that would be funny |
| 18:31 |
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brendan |
would be a riot -- NPR breaks down the community |
| 18:32 |
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wizzyrea |
we could call the teams "the letter" and the "spirit" |
| 18:33 |
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sekjal |
well, "the letter" certainly did make a strong play |
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brendan |
"spirit" the sleeping giant - |
| 18:34 |
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brendan |
well chris is sleeping at least :) |
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owen |
:) |
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jdavidb |
If by "strong play" you mean "a lot of racket that no one much on the other side is impressed by," I think you've hit it on the head. |
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jdavidb |
Like sending a Pop Warner team of 6-year-olds up against the Washington Redskins. |
| 18:38 |
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sekjal |
I guess I'm lazy. I really don't want to recode Course Reserves when a perfectly good patch is already been written |
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sekjal |
it seems like such a waste |
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wizzyrea |
it is a waste, definitely not the best use of community resources |
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sekjal |
and setting up MFHD support... ::shudder:: |
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chris |
it'll come back |
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chris |
thts the retarded thing |
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brendan |
yay -- goodmorning chris |
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sekjal |
morning, chris |
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jdavidb |
g'morning, chris! |
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chris |
its just a dumb move all round |
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wizzyrea |
you are up really early |
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chris_n |
g'morning for the second time |
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chris |
:) |
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wizzyrea |
what is it, 6ish now? |
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chris |
yeah got a flight at 8.40 |
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wizzyrea |
Ahhh |
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chris |
but you are right about the waste |
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rhcl |
Who is Jonathan Sowash? |
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chris |
and again what annoys me more than the actual fork, is the bullshit being thrown around to justify it |
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owen |
LibLime's attorney |
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rhcl |
ic |
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sekjal |
so, if none of us follow LibLime, does that still make them "the leader in open-source solutions for libraries"? |
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chris |
hehe |
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chris_n |
sekjal++ |
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brendan |
don't you mean the global leader? |
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chris |
i would have been nice if they had gone the whole hog |
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chris |
and renamed it |
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sekjal |
LEK... not the most appeal acronym if you pronounce it. |
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rhcl |
"Enterprise" Koha has a "commanding" sound, don't you think? |
| 18:47 |
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chris |
needs to be rewritten in java for it to be enterprise |
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rhcl |
ada |
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chris |
with oracle |
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jdavidb |
Assember. |
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jdavidb |
assembler, even. |
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chris_n |
yuk |
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chris_n |
assembler++ |
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chris |
assembler might actually work |
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chris_n |
oracle-- |
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chris |
has to be something that wont actually work for enterprise |
| 18:48 |
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rhcl |
That said, I think it would be great for Koha to be database independent. |
| 18:48 |
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chris |
imo 15 years of software dev experience anyway :) |
| 18:48 |
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chris |
rhcl: its on the development plan |
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chris |
catalyst are big postgres users so lots of ppl here interested in working on that |
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sekjal |
it would definitely be nice to have DB options. |
| 18:52 |
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rhcl |
Firebird! |
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chris |
i have a dbix::class branch that i started work on |
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chris |
i cant show you, and i promise to release the code at some vaguely specified time in the future when its been vetted |
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owen |
:D |
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chris |
but in the real world, its up on my public git repo |
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owen |
chris: be sure to release it not as a patch but as a giant tarball of the whole Koha installation |
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chris |
http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-[…]/heads/dbix_class |
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chris |
ill definitely be taking from all of your guys work tho |
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gmcharlt |
chris++ # please do ;) |
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sekjal |
chris: we know you'll release your branch once you've developed other stuff to vette |
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chris |
yes, i need to do this to afford my corvette |
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* jdavidb |
loves it when chris gets riled up and sassy. |
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* wizzyrea |
giggles |
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chris |
hehe |
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* wizzyrea |
really likes the word sassy, and must find more reasons to use it |
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* jdavidb |
thinks wizzy needs to be careful using sassy, since she *is*, and it would call too much attention to her. |
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chris |
rhcl: http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-[…]8354ca285574e3f9a |
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chris |
i have used this schema to create a postgres and a mysql db |
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chris |
so even just for that alone, its handy |
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chris |
ok, i must go get ready to fly down to the south island where the rest of my family is |
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wizzyrea |
no ferry? |
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wizzyrea |
or too far? |
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brendan |
safe trip chris |
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wizzyrea |
have a good time :D |
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chris |
45 mins on a plane |
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chris |
3 hours on ferry + 5 hour drive |
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chris |
plane wins |
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wizzyrea |
vs hours on the boat + drive, yea, that makes sense |
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gmcharlt |
chris: have fun |
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sekjal |
a good flight to you, chris. |
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jdavidb |
Safe journey! |
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* wizzyrea |
has been watching too much Lost, and worries you might fly through a time traveling window and end up in 1974 >.< |
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nengard |
wow - just caught up on 3 hours of chat |
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wizzyrea |
but have a safe trip all the same |
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owen |
+7 hour donkey ride? +11 hour hike? +14 hour crawl? |
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* nengard |
laughs at owen |
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* pianohackr|work |
laughs at nengard |
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sekjal |
hi, nengard |
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nengard |
howdy sekjal |
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brendan |
heya nengard |
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jdavidb |
Hi, nengard! |
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nengard |
hey owen - i have a bone to pick me - something about needing 2 companies to tame me!!! |
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owen |
:) |
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owen |
You're right. You shall never be tamed! |
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gmcharlt |
lol |
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* jdavidb |
thought about commenting on that, but he is older and possibly-wiser, in his lucid moments, and didn't. |
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nengard |
you know, i read a few posts a while about about women in open source |
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nengard |
an apparently many women feel like they don't fit in |
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nengard |
i just feel like the punching bag :) hehe |
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nengard |
everyone pick on Nicole |
| 19:14 |
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nengard |
she can take it |
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wizzyrea |
awww |
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nengard |
hehe |
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wizzyrea |
nooo |
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nengard |
LOL |
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brendan |
http://www.liblime.com/product[…]pac-customization |
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nengard |
I'm totally kidding |
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pianohackr|work |
nengard: Don't forget wizzyrea |
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* jdavidb |
falls out of his chair laughing. |
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nengard |
pianohackr|work: yes, but you're all nice to her ;) hehe |
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pianohackr|work |
nengard: When you're around, yes :) |
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nengard |
hehe |
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wizzyrea |
it's true |
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wizzyrea |
I get teased all the time |
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* jdavidb |
picks on wizzyrea almost as much as he picks on nengard. |
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nengard |
brendan: LOL |
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brendan |
something -- is always worth more ;) |
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* jdavidb |
makes up a big box of clues, addresses it to Tina Burger, and puts it in the mail. |
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wizzyrea |
dharsh |
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sekjal |
screenshot snagged |
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wizzyrea |
lol harsh |
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* pianohackr|work |
hides |
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sekjal |
its the little chuckles that get me through the day |
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wizzyrea |
there are enough reasons to vilify them, neglectful marketing is pretty far down the list |
| 19:19 |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
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brendan |
ah bummer -- I gotta run out the door --- |
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brendan |
talk with you all later -- enjoy the weekend |
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sekjal |
see ya, brendan! |
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sekjal |
you, too |
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wizzyrea |
bye brendan |
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* chris_n |
spreads himself yet thinner :-P |
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wizzyrea |
like butter over too much bread? |
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chris_n |
hehe |
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chris_n |
its really a case of more hats than head to put them on |
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wizzyrea |
I think that's my favorite line from all of the LOTR movies |
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Nate |
my favorite has to be "I wish it need not have have happened in my time,’ said Frodo. |
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Nate |
‘So do I,’ said Gandalf, ‘and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.’ |
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wizzyrea |
that's a good one too |
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* jdavidb |
blinks, as his English parser crashes. |
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wizzyrea |
lol |
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wizzyrea |
...they changed somethign |
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wizzyrea |
something* |
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* jdavidb |
has had all the fun he can take for one day. Y'all have a good weekend. |
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pianohackr|work |
See ya |
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sekjal |
you, too, jdavidb |
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pianohackr|work |
wizzyrea: What did they change? |
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wizzyrea |
in the matrix |
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wizzyrea |
Nate had a deja vu in his LOTR quote |
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pianohackr|work |
Hehe |
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owen |
Have a good weekend everyone. Looking forward to more fireworks next week! |
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sekjal |
cheers, owen |
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sekjal |
going to head for my train. until next week, everyone! |
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* chris_n |
heads out |
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wizzyrea |
heh http://lybrarian.wordpress.com[…]anges-at-liblime/ |
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pianohackr|work |
Quick, everybody, make some drama! |
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wizzyrea |
Yay! |
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chris_n2 |
ha... "A man without culture is like a zebra without stripes." |
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pianohackr|work |
chris_n2: ? |
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chris_n2 |
oh.... sorry.... that was totally unrelated to wizzyrea 's obervation :-) |
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chris_n2 |
I thought it was interesting in light of zebra being koha's indexing engine |
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chris_n2 |
it's supposed to be an old African proverb |
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chris_n2 |
although forking with an attitude might constitute a certain lack of culture in its own right |
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pianohackr|work |
Yes... |
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ttfn |
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