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baseballfreak47 |
Hello I was wondering if someone could walk me through installing apache i cant sem to figure it out |
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baseballfreak47 |
Hey piano hacker |
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pianohacker1 |
Hello |
| 02:19 |
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baseballfreak47 |
do you think ou could walk me through installing apache |
| 02:19 |
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pianohacker1 |
Umm, perhaps. Do you have linux installed? |
| 02:19 |
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baseballfreak47 |
yes |
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baseballfreak47 |
ubuntu |
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baseballfreak47 |
if you dont want to right now thats fine |
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pianohacker1 |
Okay, so it's easy. Go to Applications -> Accessories -Open a Terminal, then type in "sudo apt-get install apache2" (without the quotes), then hit Enter |
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pianohacker1 |
Sorry, Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal |
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baseballfreak47 |
oh okay thanks |
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baseballfreak47 |
wow that wwas easy |
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pianohacker1 |
Yup |
| 02:21 |
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baseballfreak47 |
okay random questiopn here |
| 02:21 |
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pianohacker1 |
Shoot |
| 02:22 |
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baseballfreak47 |
so i have ubuntu installed on the same hd as windows xp and when ubuntu did the partitionaing it gave windows 50gb and ubuntu 7 mb more than it needed for install how do i fix this? |
| 02:25 |
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baseballfreak47 |
:) |
| 02:25 |
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pianohacker1 |
You can install a partition editor |
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pianohacker1 |
(sorry, distracted) |
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baseballfreak47 |
lol your fine |
| 02:25 |
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pianohacker1 |
From Applications -> Add/Remove Programs |
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pianohacker1 |
Might also be called gparted |
| 02:26 |
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pianohacker1 |
Actually, nevermind |
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baseballfreak47 |
okay thanks |
| 02:26 |
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baseballfreak47 |
oh ok |
| 02:26 |
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baseballfreak47 |
srry back to apache real quickis there anything else i need to do after that? |
| 02:27 |
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pianohacker1 |
You'd want to resize the partitions using your installation CD (when you've booted up the CD, there's a Partition Editor in System -> Administration ) |
| 02:27 |
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pianohacker1 |
(There's other Koha install stuff, yes) |
| 02:27 |
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pianohacker1 |
But Apache's done |
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baseballfreak47 |
okay thanks |
| 02:28 |
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baseballfreak47 |
okay so put in my ubuntu install disk and go to administration ill go do that and be back in a bit |
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pianohacker1 |
Just remembered that you do _not_ want to resize your Ubuntu partition when you're booted into that same Ubuntu |
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pianohacker1 |
Good luck |
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baseballfreak47 |
THANK YOU SO MUCH i would be lost without you guys |
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pianohacker1 |
Not a problem, happy to help |
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baseballfreak47 |
wait srry on your last thing what do you mean? |
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pianohacker1 |
It'd be like trying to change a tire on a bike while you were riding it |
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pianohacker1 |
Good night |
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baseballfreak47 |
hey |
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baseballfreak47 |
I was wondering if someone could give me the command to instal apache again |
| 04:59 |
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baseballfreak47 |
i switched hd and lost it |
| 05:02 |
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baseballfreak47 |
pianohacker1: you on? |
| 05:17 |
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baseballfreak47 |
hey could someone walk me through installing mysql |
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brendan |
hey baseballfreak47 which type of Linux you on? |
| 05:19 |
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baseballfreak47 |
ubuntu |
| 05:20 |
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baseballfreak47 |
srry real quick do i need apache mysql and pearl or just one? |
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brendan |
perl should already come as part of linux |
| 05:20 |
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brendan |
you need mysql and you need apache |
| 05:20 |
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baseballfreak47 |
okay thanks |
| 05:20 |
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brendan |
koha is built on a LAMP stack -- linux apache mysql perl |
| 05:21 |
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brendan |
apt-get install apache2 |
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baseballfreak47 |
already got that haha i googled it |
| 05:21 |
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baseballfreak47 |
and then for mysql? |
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brendan |
apt-get install mysql-server |
| 05:21 |
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baseballfreak47 |
haha thats easy enough thanks |
| 05:22 |
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baseballfreak47 |
so once i install mysql download koha will it tell me what to do? |
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brendan |
sure -- I'd go ahead and review the ubuntu install instructions |
| 05:23 |
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brendan |
once you download koha -- there should be an install file that appears in the koha dir |
| 05:23 |
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baseballfreak47 |
hey real quick so i type that into the terminal and it says, "Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?" |
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baseballfreak47 |
any suggestions |
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brendan |
sudo apt-get install |
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brendan |
so you'll need to use the sudo command -- |
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baseballfreak47 |
i knew that my bad |
| 05:24 |
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baseballfreak47 |
thanks |
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brendan |
su - root |
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brendan |
then edit the /etc/sudoers file |
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brendan |
ok cool :) |
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baseballfreak47 |
oh now your over my head |
| 05:25 |
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baseballfreak47 |
i got it to start |
| 05:28 |
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baseballfreak47 |
Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the download directory |
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baseballfreak47 |
idk what that means |
| 05:30 |
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baseballfreak47 |
brendan: you there? |
| 05:30 |
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brendan |
http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]a7cdd9d47;hb=HEAD |
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brendan |
those should help you out |
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baseballfreak47 |
oh okay thanks |
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baseballfreak47 |
oh my goodness thank you SO MUCH |
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baseballfreak47 |
okay so i need some help any one there? |
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Ropuch |
Morning |
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|Lupin| |
hi there |
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chris |
hi |
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|Lupin| |
hello chris |
| 08:26 |
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chris |
still on vacation |Lupin| ? |
| 08:27 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: yes, till monday |
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|Lupin| |
chris: it's winter for you I guess, so no vacation ? |
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chris |
nope, not until october |
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|Lupin| |
k |
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|Lupin| |
chris: there was a bug report about the system prererences calles something like opacBaseURL and intranetBaseURL, it is planned to remove them completely. I can't remember the bug number and have no access to the machine where it is stored. I added a comment to it and I'm wondering what your opinion is abut this... |
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chris |
aahh the opacBaseURL one won't be removed |
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chris |
there is a new feature, to show a preview of the opac (in the intranet, so staff can see what an item would look like) |
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chris |
that depends on it |
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|Lupin| |
chris: ok, good to know |
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|Lupin| |
chris: however last time I checked the opacBaseURL feature was not working. Roughly speaking the only reference to it I could find was its definition and it was not used anywhere else in the code |
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chris |
yep, it is being used now |
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chris |
as of about a week ago |
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|Lupin| |
oh it's so great |
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|Lupin| |
so it's back you mean, right ? |
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chris |
well its being used in once place in the code now |
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|Lupin| |
i.e. it was there, then it was removed, then restored. It this the correct story ? |
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chris |
im not sure it was ever used in the code |
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chris |
but i can see lots of uses of it |
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|Lupin| |
chris: ok, but assuming the syspref is given a value, would all the URLs generated in OPAC take this value into account ? |
| 08:42 |
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chris |
no |
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chris |
only the new feature does |
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|Lupin| |
chris: ok |
| 08:43 |
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chris |
someone would have to go through and add it |
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|Lupin| |
chris: and do you know what the plans are regarding this ? is there a lot of work to do to achieve this state ? is someone responsible of it ? |
| 08:44 |
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chris |
lots of work, no one is planning to do it afaik |
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|Lupin| |
chris: ok. What kind of modificaiton is required ? I assume it's not at the template level, is it ? |
| 08:44 |
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chris |
yes |
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chris |
lots at the template level |
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chris |
and a few lines of change to C4::Auth |
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chris |
so that the value is passed to all the templates |
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|Lupin| |
actually I'd really need this feature... I assume it is not possible to achieve the same result by means of apache rerite rules or so |
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chris |
but 99% of the work would be at the template level |
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chris |
yes it is achievable using mod_rewrite |
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|Lupin| |
chris: ok. and do you think it could be automated, at least partly ? |
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chris |
nope |
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|Lupin| |
chris: ok |
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chris |
(automated using mod_rewrite you mean?) |
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|Lupin| |
chris: I assume the situation is almost similar for the intranet ? |
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chris |
or automated changing the templates? |
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|Lupin| |
chris: no, I meant automating the modificaiton of the templates |
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chris |
yeah that could be |
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chris |
using sed |
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|Lupin| |
chris: yeah that's what I had in mind |
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|Lupin| |
chris: apart the <a > tags, what else should be modfied ? |
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chris |
probably all the <img ones |
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|Lupin| |
(I wondering whether it wouldn't be possible to associate a base URL to each template with respect to which all the otherws would be interpreted... ? |
| 08:50 |
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chris |
and script and js |
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|Lupin| |
chris: k |
| 08:50 |
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chris |
nope, doesnt really work like that |
| 08:50 |
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chris |
the links are absolute |
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chris |
ie /cgi-bin/koha/something.pl for eg |
| 08:51 |
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chris |
they would all need to become "<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="baseurl" -->/cgi-bin/koha/something.pl" |
| 08:51 |
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baseballfreak47 |
hey guys quick question |
| 08:52 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: /me takes notes :-) |
| 08:53 |
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chris |
assuming baseurl was what C4::Auth passes |
| 08:53 |
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baseballfreak47 |
hey guys i have a ? when you get a chance |
| 08:54 |
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chris |
just ask it baseballfreak47 ... irc is best when you just ask the question rather than asking to ask :) |
| 08:54 |
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baseballfreak47 |
okay srry i just didnt want to interupt thanks for the tip |
| 08:54 |
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baseballfreak47 |
so im using a step by step to install koha on ubuntu |
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baseballfreak47 |
and this is what it tells me, " 72 Using the ubuntu.packages file included in the Koha source tree, 73 run the following: 74 75 $ sudo dpkg --set-selections < install_misc/ubuntu.packages 76 77 Now start dselect (you may need to 'sudo apt-get install dselect'): 78 79 $ sudo dselect 80 81 Choose [I]nstall and accept pac |
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baseballfreak47 |
Choose [I]nstall and accept packages to be installed (hit return) 82 83 (may take a while) 84 85 Choose [C]onfigure, [R]emove and [Q]uit until dselect has |
| 08:56 |
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baseballfreak47 |
and im a little confused if someone coulld give me a hand that would be great |
| 08:56 |
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chris |
hmmm not sure i can do much more than repeat that im afraid |
| 08:57 |
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baseballfreak47 |
haha |
| 08:57 |
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baseballfreak47 |
um let me try to make it more direct |
| 08:57 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: k, written what you said. I may work on this. |
| 08:57 |
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chris |
cool |
| 08:58 |
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baseballfreak47 |
so right after the # 75 where it says $ sudo dpkg --set-selections < install_misc/ubuntu.packages do i put that into the command box? |
| 08:58 |
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chris |
yes |
| 08:58 |
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chris |
not the $ |
| 08:58 |
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chris |
but the rest |
| 08:58 |
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baseballfreak47 |
oh okay thanks |
| 08:58 |
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chris |
anything starting with $ means do it at the commandline |
| 08:59 |
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baseballfreak47 |
oh okay |
| 08:59 |
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baseballfreak47 |
so i did that and it told me "bash: install_misc/ubuntu.packages: No such file or directory" |
| 09:00 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: when you mentionned js, what did you mean ? Is there something else than <script > to think about ? |
| 09:00 |
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|Lupin| |
baseballfreak47: as a ./ infront of the command |
| 09:00 |
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|Lupin| |
baseballfreak47: ./install_misc/ubuntu.packages |
| 09:00 |
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chris |
nope thats not right |
| 09:01 |
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chris |
have you downloaded koha (either via git, or got a tarball) ? |
| 09:01 |
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baseballfreak47 |
yes i have |
| 09:01 |
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chris |
|Lupin|: there might be images or urls hardcoded in the js or css, not sure though |
| 09:01 |
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chris |
baseballfreak47: right cd into there first |
| 09:02 |
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chris |
then run that line again |
| 09:02 |
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baseballfreak47 |
so it should look like $ cd sudo dpkg --set-selections < install_misc/ubuntu.packages |
| 09:02 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: ah I see. |
| 09:03 |
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baseballfreak47 |
? |
| 09:03 |
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baseballfreak47 |
must be wrong didnt work |
| 09:04 |
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chris |
no |
| 09:04 |
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chris |
how did you download koha? |
| 09:06 |
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baseballfreak47 |
$ wget http://download.koha.org/koha-3.00.02.tar.gz |
| 09:07 |
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chris |
right so |
| 09:07 |
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chris |
cd koha-3.00.02 |
| 09:07 |
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baseballfreak47 |
what do i do with that? (Im totally over my head here thanks for the help) |
| 09:07 |
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baseballfreak47 |
put that before the line |
| 09:08 |
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baseballfreak47 |
$ cd koha-3.00.02 sudo dpkg --set-selections < install_misc/ubuntu.packages |
| 09:08 |
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chris |
do that line, hit return |
| 09:08 |
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chris |
no, not on the same line |
| 09:08 |
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chris |
run that command |
| 09:08 |
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baseballfreak47 |
oh i see |
| 09:08 |
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baseballfreak47 |
gotcha |
| 09:09 |
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baseballfreak47 |
so i type in cd koha-3.00.02 and press return |
| 09:09 |
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baseballfreak47 |
then... |
| 09:10 |
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chris |
the sudo dpkg line |
| 09:11 |
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baseballfreak47 |
it tells me no such file |
| 09:11 |
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baseballfreak47 |
after the line that starts with cd |
| 09:13 |
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chris |
hmm, im sorry i have to go now, but have you done the tar xzvf line? |
| 09:13 |
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* chris |
wanders off for some family time |
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baseballfreak47 |
idk |
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baseballfreak47 |
thank you for your help |
| 09:13 |
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baseballfreak47 |
jw what time is it there? |
| 09:14 |
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Ropuch |
Depends of "there", 11:14 a.m. here ;> |
| 09:14 |
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baseballfreak47 |
wow |
| 09:14 |
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baseballfreak47 |
its 2:15 am where i am |
| 09:14 |
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baseballfreak47 |
i think i might have some insomniac tendencys haha |
| 09:15 |
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Ropuch |
Insomniacs start past 5am ;> |
| 09:15 |
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baseballfreak47 |
oh haha |
| 09:15 |
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baseballfreak47 |
as you can see i also cant spell |
| 09:16 |
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Ropuch |
Frankly i did'nt notice |
| 09:16 |
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baseballfreak47 |
oh haha |
| 09:17 |
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baseballfreak47 |
well have funn with your family |
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Ropuch |
I believe that was adressed to chris ;> |
| 09:18 |
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baseballfreak47 |
oh wow i totally didnt realize it switched people |
| 09:18 |
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baseballfreak47 |
lol |
| 09:18 |
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Ropuch |
hehehe |
| 09:18 |
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baseballfreak47 |
im clueless |
| 09:18 |
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Ropuch |
Or tired, but it's your choice ;> |
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baseballfreak47 |
lol |
| 09:19 |
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baseballfreak47 |
surprisingly im not tired |
| 09:19 |
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baseballfreak47 |
or maybe im so tired i cant tell that im tired |
| 09:20 |
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baseballfreak47 |
jw where r u? |
| 09:20 |
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baseballfreak47 |
Ropuch: Im gonna go hang out with my sister ttyl |
| 09:21 |
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Ropuch |
Me? I'm in Poland |
| 09:21 |
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Ropuch |
Well, good luck then with all your tty's ;> |
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baseballfreak47 |
haha im back |
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baseballfreak47 |
oh cool Poland |
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baseballfreak47 |
Im in the US |
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baseballfreak47 |
Washington |
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baseballfreak47 |
im rebooting cuz im upgrading the ram on my comp |
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baseballfreak47 |
c ya |
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|Lupin| |
gotta go |
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|Lupin| |
bye everybody |
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greenmang0 |
@wunder mumbai |
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munin |
greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 29.0�C (5:10 PM IST on August 22, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 25.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). |
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Shtirlits |
@wunder copenhagen |
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munin |
Shtirlits: Error: No such location could be found. |
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brendan |
good afternoon #koha |
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pianohacker |
Good afternoon, brendan |
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brendan |
heya pianohacker |
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brendan |
up to anything fun? |
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pianohacker |
Not really. Trying to figure out why our little NAS isn't responding, trying to set up remote access for another client and failing |
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pianohacker |
All great fun |
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Shtirlits |
guys, anybody know where u can get koha 3.0 manual as a pdf or something? |
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pianohacker is now known as pianohacker|wor |
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pianohacker|wor is now known as pianohackr|work |
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brendan |
I don't think you can get it as a pdf |
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brendan |
just the web stuff |
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pianohackr|work |
PDF, not sure, but there was a recent post to the mailing list detailing how to download the whole thing in one shot |
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Shtirlits |
hmmm mailing list |
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pianohackr|work |
Shtirlits: Here's the link: http://koha.org/documentation/[…]emanual-all-pages (but do not click on it unless you have some time for it to load) |
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Shtirlits |
well |
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Shtirlits |
it doesn't show images |
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Shtirlits |
images show as broken links |
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Shtirlits |
thats why i was searching for premade |
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Shtirlits |
i use chrome |
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Shtirlits |
okay, at least I found a thread about it in the mailing list archive |
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|Lupin| |
good evening |
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chris |
yeah it's currently broken |
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Shtirlits |
oookay |
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Shtirlits |
yea, thats what the mailing list say |
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chris |
unfortunately no one here can fix it |
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chris |
as we don't have access to the site |
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Shtirlits |
i suppose |
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Shtirlits |
Okay - it looks like a bug in Plone :( I'll see what I find to solve |
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Shtirlits |
this issue - but for now you might just want to print the sections of |
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Shtirlits |
the manual you want - each one works individually. |
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Shtirlits |
--- |
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Shtirlits |
Nicole C. Engard |
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Shtirlits |
Tue Jul 7 04:57:41 NZST 2009 |
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chris |
yep |
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chris |
she can't fix it either |
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|Lupin| |
anyone knows who is the drupal expert at biblibre, pls ? |
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|Lupin| |
k, will see this on monday. good night everybody ! |
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chris |
hi jwagner |
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pianohackr|work |
Hola jwagner |
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gmcharlt |
hi #koha |
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pianohackr|work |
Hi, Galen |
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jwagner |
Hi to all! |
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chris |
morning gmcharlt and pianohackr|work |
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pianohackr|work |
Good morning |
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gmcharlt |
just back from my weekly self-torture session (AKA visiting all of the homeless kitties) |
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chris |
ahhhh |
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gmcharlt |
I know I can't take any of them home - I have four, after all, but ... |
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chris |
yep, always hard |
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chris |
i should introduce you to mark at work |
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gmcharlt |
another fuzzball lover? |
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chris |
yep resident postgresql guru and cat lover |
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chris |
he spends significant amounts of each year in africa looking after big cats too |
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pianohackr|work |
bbl |
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gmcharlt |
Pg export to boot? tell me he's heading to the airport right now, please :) |
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chris |
hehe |
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chris |
http://findarticles.com/p/arti[…]_18/ai_n26867259/ |
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chris |
thats him |
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* gmcharlt |
has noticed that Pg has gotten rather less love from O'Reilly than MySQL |
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chris |
helped tons with tuning postgres for stuff.co.nz |
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chris |
nengard++ #weekend patches |
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jwagner |
Too bad owen isn't online, but maybe someone else can answer. I'm fiddling with XSLT (again). Does anyone know why, in MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl, there is a check for indicator 2 to be 0 before it will show the URL in the results list? There's no such check in the details xsl, and I can't see why it would be necessary in the results list. |
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jwagner |
(The 856 second indicator, that is, of course) |
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gmcharlt |
jwagner: I suppose on the theory that if people consistently coded the 856 ind 2 correctly, you'd prefer to display just 852.*0 on the results list to include URLs that point directly to the resource, not alternative versions |
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gmcharlt |
or related resources |
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gmcharlt |
that may well be a bit too sophisticated in practice |
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jwagner |
I think it is...too many sites with crappy data or people who have no idea what they're doing. Do you think there'd be any great objection if I removed that check? |
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chris |
not from me |
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chris |
id say crap data is the norm, not the exception |
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chris |
hi jdavidb |
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jdavidb |
Hi, chris! :) |
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jdavidb |
I was surprised by your response to nengard's facebook status; I thought I was the only heretic around here. |
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chris |
naw, zebra is great when it works, its a bit blackboxy when it doesnt |
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chris |
and i have an instinctual hatred for numeric error messages |
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jdavidb |
heh. me too. A few months ago--before March--I brought the idea up among some LL folk, and was *firmly* quashed, so I figured it was rank heresy to think that. |
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jdavidb |
Solr is just so darn fast, and has so few moving parts; it's pretty amazing. |
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gmcharlt |
jwagner: fine with me |
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jdavidb |
Hi, gmcharlt! :) |
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jwagner |
OK, thanks. I'll make a note about dropping that indicator check in the commit notes. If I ever GET that far, sigh. |
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gmcharlt |
hi jdavidb |
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chris |
i do hate tomcat too tho |
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chris |
im an equal opportunity hater |
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chris |
:) |
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chris |
we did look at lucene and plucene when looking at zebra, was before solr was able to do much |
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chris |
where lucene (and thus solr) beats zebra is on updates |
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gmcharlt |
yeah, solr itself provides another moving part |
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jdavidb |
I'm not a big fan of tomcat, either; I rassled with it some with DSpace. |
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gmcharlt |
it'd be one thing if Koha were itself a java web app |
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chris |
i contend zebra is faster for search (not our implementaton maybe) |
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jdavidb |
gmcharlt: Yah, if "we gotta have it anyway", that'd be one thing. |
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chris |
we used to use solr for stuff |
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chris |
used to break lots |
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chris |
but we were throwing some pretty decent load its way |
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chris |
if we could do realtime, or close to realtime updates of zebra ... or equally remove the need to |
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chris |
then id be happy |
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chris |
if we cant, then im open to a different indexing engine to accomplish that |
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jdavidb |
I don't even mind the periodic-update quality of zebra, that much. Most of our clients are on 10-minute cycles, and find that mostly acceptable. My biggest grumpiness lives in the fact that you can't reconfigure it from within Koha, and it take some major tea-leaf reading to do it at *all*. |
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jdavidb |
(But I'm spoiled. Unicorn let you reconfigure it from the GUI.) |
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chris |
we could allow it to be reconfigured within koha |
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gmcharlt |
and same issue would apply for Solr |
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gmcharlt |
it boils down to two needs |
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chris |
but its still pretty 'huh?' |
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gmcharlt |
1. search engine abstraction layer |
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gmcharlt |
2. abstraction layer for index configuration |
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jdavidb |
yeah. In either one, it's gonna be pretty arcane. |
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chris |
yep |
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chris |
i say we just get google to spider the catalog and use that |
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chris |
:-) |
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jdavidb |
When I was with the Unicorn library, I had so darn many index changes...if I'd have had to do it without the GUI, it'd have made a drinkin' man out of me. |
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gmcharlt |
and IMO, 3. steering people away from trying to write yet another crappy internal search engine |
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jdavidb |
3. sounds like the easiest part of it. |
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gmcharlt |
heh - you'd be surprised |
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chris |
(thats what we ended up doing with stuff :-) .. im aware that wouldnt work for librarians :)) |
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gmcharlt |
Evergreen is an example of that IMO, actually |
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jdavidb |
I haven't done a whole lot of work with Evergreen, but it appears to me to be way too closely related to a helicopter. |
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gmcharlt |
but regardless, using a component that specializes in search is a win |
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chris |
yep |
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jdavidb |
("A helicopter does not fly; it is a collection of quasi-unrelated parts moving in close formation, beating the sky into submission.") |
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chris |
as an aside C4::Search makes my brain hurt |
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chris |
i know that a lot of "why isnt my search working" questions would go away if when we tried to search and zebra wasnt running, we reported this |
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chris |
instead of just 'no results found' |
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chris |
error_handling++ |
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jdavidb |
@quote add <chris>as an aside C4::Search makes my brain hurt |
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munin |
jdavidb: The operation succeeded. Quote #26 added. |
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chris |
also a 'status' page in the intranet might be nice |
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gmcharlt |
@quote add <jdavidb> ("A helicopter does not fly; it is a collection of quasi-unrelated parts moving in close formation, beating the sky into submission.") |
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munin |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #27 added. |
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chris |
assuming we could find out from zebra, how many items we have indexed, when it was last indexed etc |
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jdavidb |
lol |
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gmcharlt |
I think at least some of that can be extracted from Zebra |
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jdavidb |
Probably so, yeah. That'd be good to get. |
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chris |
ohhh gmcharlt has officially moved into 4th place |
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chris |
that musta happened in the last week or so |
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chris |
http://www.ohloh.net/p/koha/contributors |
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jdavidb |
Awesome! |
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jdavidb |
gmcharlt++ |
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brendan |
heya chris gmcharlt jdavidb |
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jdavidb |
Hiya, brendan! :) |
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chris |
hey brendan |
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jwagner |
Heh. I'm one ahead of jdavidb :-) At least in his current incarnation. |
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chris |
:) |
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brendan |
heya jwagner |
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jdavidb |
I better hurry, or wizzyrea will catch me. |
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brendan |
I'm in CT and this humidity is killing me :) |
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jwagner |
hi brendan. You're just spoiled. We have a marvellously fierce thunderstorm system moving through here. |
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brendan |
oh joy -- that should get up here in a few |
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brendan |
hours |
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jwagner |
I think it may be moving more easterly (across MD/DE and out to sea). |
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* jdavidb |
waves |
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chris |
hmm 2 more lines and jwagner will move into 50th place on the most talky people on irc list |
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chris |
:) |
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chris |
its sunday stats day |
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jwagner |
Well, I guess I can manage two more lines. |
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jwagner |
Don't you agree? |
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jwagner |
Or even three more lines! |
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chris |
heh |
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brendan |
hmmm... go I rank anywhere for chatty people |
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chris |
24th brendan |
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brendan |
:) |
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chris |
http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/ |
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chris |
ok, off to storylines we go |
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chris |
enjoy the rest of your weekends |
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thd-away is now known as thd |
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nengard |
any regex experts online? |
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nengard |
:) |
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thd |
well does writing a database with regexes and shell scripts count as expertise? |
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nengard |
thd - sounds like more than I have |
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nengard |
I'm working on a patch |
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nengard |
and I'm learning Perl by doing :) |
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thd |
the only way to learn anything |
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nengard |
:) hang on i'll paste some stuff for you - maybe it's just a missing ; and not a regex issue |
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thd |
I seldom manage not to much up the syntax the first time |
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nengard |
http://koha.pastebin.com/m2e150127 |
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nengard |
what i'm trying to do is replace occurances of TITLE, AUTHOR and ISBN with the right variables before sending it to the template |
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thd |
Is $searchfortitlein the general keyword search string? |
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nengard |
no it's the value of the system preference |
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nengard |
or it was supposed to be |
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thd |
What does that system preference store? |
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thd |
I know more about regular expressions than I know about some parts of Koha. |
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nengard |
I put that in the pastebin at the top |
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nengard |
it's storing HTML for links that will search other catalogs |
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nengard |
basically this: href="http://worldcat.org/search?q=TITLE goes out to WorldCat and searches for the title you'll lookin at in Koha |
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nengard |
to find it in other libraries |
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thd |
OK, now I understand what is being done. |
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nengard |
:) |
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thd |
Your regexes seem fine if $author, $title, and $normalized_isbn have some useful values. |
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nengard |
what's the perl syntax to print those variables out? |
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nengard |
i'm a php person |
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thd |
I do see a problem |
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nengard |
oh good |
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nengard |
ish |
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thd |
print $variable; |
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nengard |
oh same as php :) |
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thd |
real programmers use warn |
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jwagner |
nengard, to make sure I have values in the data, when there's a script running I have sometimes printed values to a temp file. For example: |
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jwagner |
open(OUTFILE, ">/tmp/out.txt") || die "unable to open output file"; |
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thd |
all programming languages are the same |
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nengard |
thd that is not true |
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jwagner |
print OUTFILE "Titlevar: $title\n" |
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thd |
what is not true? |
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nengard |
thanks jwagner, maybe i'll do that |
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nengard |
thd that all programming languages are the same :) |
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jwagner |
Then after you go to the page calling the script, take a look at /tmp/out.txt. Brute force, but useful. |
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thd |
Oh well they have common root words |
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thd |
nengard: the problem which you may have is the need to URL escape the variable contents |
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nengard |
thd, i've seen that in tmpl files, but where would it go in the pl file? |
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nengard |
okay one problem |
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nengard |
normalized_isbn isn't in the *.pl - it's $isbn |
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nengard |
I'll fix that |
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thd |
If your $title or author has spaces or other problem characters then they need to be escaped. |
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thd |
the ISBN may need normalising in any case. |
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thd |
or every case |
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thd |
perhaps you should URL escape $title and $author before the regex |
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nengard |
thd that makes sense - but you should know that it's not that the links aren't working it's that they still say TITLE, AUTHOR or ISBN |
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nengard |
it's never being processed |
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thd |
wow |
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thd |
you should print the contents of $searchfortitlein to make certain the text is there |
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nengard |
k |
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thd |
perhaps the problem may be newlines in $searchfortitlein |
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thd |
but your regex should still work with newlines in the string |
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thd |
also if $title and $author are undefined and not merely blank then the regex would fail. |
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nengard |
thd thanks |
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nengard |
trying some things now |
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thd |
nengard the print command will print to the console but not necessarily to the generated HTML page as it would in PHP. |
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nengard |
thanks td - i was trying jane's method of printing to a file but it's not happening - in fact nothing is happening - it's freezing .... |
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nengard |
I may have to just quit for tonight |
| 23:40 |
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nengard |
and try again when it's early and i'm fresh |
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thd |
do you have warnings on? |
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nengard |
um |
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nengard |
guess not |
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thd |
use waringings; |
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thd |
at the top of the script |
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thd |
nengard you may need to open OUTFILE for writing |
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nengard |
yeah I did that - open the file |
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nengard |
not use warnings - i'll try that |
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thd |
use warnings; is at the top of many Perl scripts and far too much of Koha is filled with warnings problems |
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nengard |
yep it's at the top of my file |
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thd |
the warnings command needs to be uncommented |
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thd |
Is the OUTFILE ever created when runing the script? |
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nengard |
no |
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thd |
the directory where it should be created would need write permission of the webserver username. |
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thd |
Are you running a default Debian installation of Apache? |
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nengard |
yes |
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nengard |
btw if the code is: $template->param('OPACSearchForTitleIn' => C4::Context->preference("OPACSearchForTitleIn") ); it prints out the right thing - with the wrong links of course |
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thd |
the directory where OUTFILE is supposed to be created should be writable by www-data |
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thd |
unless you have changed the Apache user from www-data for some reason such as security perhaps. |
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thd |
open( OUTFILE, "< /path/to/outfile" ) or die "Can't open $filename : $!"; |
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thd |
nengard: Did you close the file handle OUTFILE? |
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nengard |
thd sorry - was poking at something else |
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nengard |
it appears to be the IF that is the problem |
