| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 12:38 |
|
chris_n |
g'morning |
| 12:47 |
|
davi |
morning |
| 12:47 |
|
kf |
morning :) |
| 12:48 |
|
davi |
I see Koha do not completely support ISSN in all the functionality. |
| 12:48 |
|
davi |
ISSN support is in biblioitems table |
| 12:48 |
|
davi |
but for example it is not supported in the "New order" form. |
| 12:48 |
|
davi |
(I have added support for ISSN in the "New order" form". |
| 12:49 |
|
davi |
Besides, it is not clear if Koha support both ISBN-10 and ISBN-13 |
| 12:51 |
|
hdl_laptop |
davi : question is what do you think when you are thinking supporting both ISBN-10 and ISBN-13 |
| 12:51 |
|
hdl_laptop |
davi: it is storing ISBNs all right |
| 12:52 |
|
davi |
yep, you are right |
| 12:53 |
|
hdl_laptop |
If by support you mean : if i search for an ISBN-10 then it will bring along also ISBN-13, and the reverse, then it might not be the case at the moment. |
| 12:53 |
|
davi |
Another point, I miss a barcode field in the biblioitems table, because it is not the same the ISBN that the barcode, isn't it? |
| 12:55 |
|
davi |
I see Koha as a unfinished product |
| 12:56 |
|
kf |
what do you mean by barcode? the EAN on the book or the barcode label of the library? |
| 12:58 |
|
davi |
I understand that EAN-13 is equal to ISBN-13 |
| 12:58 |
|
davi |
but, e.g. I have here a book: |
| 12:58 |
|
davi |
ISBN 0-13-141155-1 |
| 12:59 |
|
davi |
barcode: 9 780131 411555 |
| 13:00 |
|
davi |
there is another barcode too, maybe the vendor one: 0 76092 02591 7 |
| 13:00 |
|
davi |
and another barcode (small one): 57499 |
| 13:01 |
|
davi |
It is this book: http://my.safaribooksonline.com/0131411551 |
| 13:07 |
|
davi |
Now I see the barcode: 9 780131 411555 is just the ISBN-10 with the 978 prefix. Thanks |
| 13:08 |
|
davi |
Therefore there is not need to add a 'barcode' field in the biblioitems table |
| 13:09 |
|
hdl_laptop |
well actually your "barcode" is just ISBN-13. |
| 13:09 |
|
hdl_laptop |
the two latest ones, i don't know. |
| 13:10 |
|
davi |
so, ISBN-13 is always equal to 978 prefix + ISBN-10 ? |
| 13:10 |
|
davi |
If so, what is the sense of use ISBN-13 instead of ISBN-10? |
| 13:11 |
|
davi |
maybe future expansion? |
| 13:12 |
|
hdl_laptop |
it is not really == |
| 13:12 |
|
hdl_laptop |
since latest number is not the same. |
| 13:12 |
|
hdl_laptop |
But it allows books to be "standard" merchandise. |
| 13:12 |
|
davi |
I see, it allow books be EAN-13 |
| 13:13 |
|
davi |
allows* |
| 13:13 |
|
hdl_laptop |
There are so many barcode types, that it is not so bad for users to stick to "one" standard. |
| 13:14 |
|
hdl_laptop |
it is what I think of the change. |
| 13:14 |
|
hdl_laptop |
maybe not really the true reason. |
| 13:14 |
|
davi |
I see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B[…]Types_of_barcodes |
| 13:16 |
|
kf |
there were not enough numbers left |
| 13:16 |
|
kf |
more digits more numbers :) |
| 13:18 |
|
davi |
kf, do you think ISBN-13 is not enough? |
| 13:19 |
|
kf |
no, I thin one reason for the change was that more numbers were needed |
| 13:20 |
|
davi |
I see |
| 13:38 |
|
kf |
bug or feature: I can place holds on books I have checked out :( |
| 13:43 |
|
hdl_laptop |
kf : there is a system preference for that |
| 13:45 |
|
kf |
AllowOnShelfHolds is off |
| 13:46 |
|
kf |
thats the pref I m testing atm |
| 13:46 |
|
kf |
I saw it got fixed in 3.2 and its really important |
| 13:47 |
|
kf |
its working great - but I should not be able to check out a book and put a hold on it (same person) |
| 13:47 |
|
hdl_laptop |
you mean you need it fixed in 3.0 ? |
| 13:49 |
|
kf |
I think we will start with a 3.2 installation |
| 13:49 |
|
kf |
pre 3.2 stable - because SIP |
| 13:52 |
|
kf |
my problem is: patrons will check out books they cannot renew and place a hold on it |
| 13:55 |
|
kf |
hdl_laptop: thx for listening :) I thnk its a bug, but will test again tomorrow on our 3.0.3 installation and file ab ug |
| 13:57 |
|
kf |
have to leave now - bye #koha! |
| 14:20 |
|
owen |
Hi chris_n |
| 14:32 |
|
sekjal |
I'm writing a script to bulk capture our libraries in-house use of items for the year. Can I just use C4::Circulation |
| 14:32 |
|
sekjal |
's AddIssue function? |
| 14:33 |
|
sekjal |
or do I need higher-level logic to detemine if my patron is statistical or real? |
| 14:34 |
|
owen |
sekjal: Are you trying to do a statistical report of the year's checkouts? |
| 14:35 |
|
sekjal |
I'm in the process of migrating to Koha, and want to have the 2009 in-house use counts preserved |
| 14:35 |
|
sekjal |
I can create a file that lists out each barcode and how many times its been used |
| 14:36 |
|
owen |
I see. Sorry, migration issues are beyond me. |
| 14:36 |
|
sekjal |
I just want to be sure I'm adding that information into the right place |
| 14:36 |
|
sekjal |
owen: no worries. they're kind of beyond me, too. we'll see just how far come Sept. 1 |
| 14:37 |
|
atz |
sekjal: you might look at just populating the old_issues table |
| 14:38 |
|
sekjal |
atz: that might work. |
| 14:39 |
|
owen |
atz: Do you know anything about the status of this? http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]e_staff_interface |
| 14:40 |
|
atz |
owen: not really... it's a big job |
| 14:40 |
|
owen |
I was just curious whether it was still a possibility for 3.2. I take it the answer is no? |
| 14:41 |
|
atz |
yeah, probably not |
| 14:42 |
|
atz |
looks like work by jesse, so ask him if he comes back online |
| 14:42 |
|
owen |
Oh, of course. I was blanking on the "jpw" for some reason |
| 14:42 |
|
wizzyrea |
last I heard from jesse that was a project that made him want to eat his own eyes. |
| 14:43 |
|
atz |
yeah, circ has a 100 contingencies |
| 14:44 |
|
wizzyrea |
plus there's the accessibility contingent that are probably against it |
| 14:44 |
|
atz |
and people add random sysprefs that then add a confirmation/override layer |
| 14:44 |
|
atz |
so it was a moving target even when he was working on it |
| 14:44 |
|
wizzyrea |
yea :/ |
| 14:44 |
|
wizzyrea |
boy, a plugin framework sure would be handy |
| 14:44 |
|
atz |
like how? |
| 14:45 |
|
atz |
our "plugin framework" for editing records is a pain in the ass hackjob :\ |
| 14:45 |
|
wizzyrea |
no, not like that |
| 14:46 |
|
wizzyrea |
i mean standardizing the framework for ease of snap in modules |
| 14:46 |
|
wizzyrea |
so that koha proper becomes a basis for laying custom circ modules, for example, on top |
| 14:47 |
|
sekjal |
I'm fond of Wordpress's system of hooks |
| 14:47 |
|
wizzyrea |
yes, that's kind of what I was thinking of |
| 14:47 |
|
wizzyrea |
the paradigm, anyway |
| 14:47 |
|
sekjal |
would require a major reworking of the code, but it would probably be worth it in the long(er) run |
| 14:48 |
|
wizzyrea |
yea, it would be an epic project, for sure |
| 14:48 |
|
sekjal |
perhaps that could be 'revolution' of Koha 4.0 |
| 14:48 |
|
wizzyrea |
well, it seems like since everybody has a different way of doing things, |
| 14:49 |
|
atz |
a lot of refactoring projects are "worth it" to us, but objectively speaking not worth it to anybody funding features. |
| 14:49 |
|
wizzyrea |
interestingly, it was acquisitions that made me think of this |
| 14:49 |
|
wizzyrea |
I mean, ok, lets think about this |
| 14:50 |
|
wizzyrea |
two institutions... different desires for acq |
| 14:50 |
|
wizzyrea |
why should they have to choose? |
| 14:50 |
|
wizzyrea |
why can't they get what they want, based on a common framework |
| 14:51 |
|
wizzyrea |
we talk about the fact that we can make koha fit our workflow, instead of changing our workflow to fit koha |
| 14:51 |
|
atz |
what kind of different desires? |
| 14:51 |
|
owen |
Because the institution who wants the alternative acq version funds the new acq version, not the refactoring project. |
| 14:51 |
|
atz |
why isn't different MARC framework enough for them? |
| 14:51 |
|
wizzyrea |
I mean more esoteric things... like workflow |
| 14:51 |
|
atz |
framework affects workflow |
| 14:51 |
|
atz |
directly |
| 14:52 |
|
wizzyrea |
I suppose that would depend on how you wrote it. Perhaps acquisitions isn't the best example. |
| 14:52 |
|
sekjal |
a plugin system would make it easier for folks to do custom development for their institutions or customers, while keeping the core code common to all. |
| 14:52 |
|
wizzyrea |
YES. That is what I am getting at |
| 14:52 |
|
atz |
sekjal, wizzyrea: *hypothetically* |
| 14:52 |
|
sekjal |
there could even be a marketplace for different versions of 'acquisitions' or an ERM |
| 14:53 |
|
wizzyrea |
a la drupal modules |
| 14:53 |
|
atz |
if you make it too complex, then everyone's customizations will be to hack off your structure and write raw scripts to do what they want |
| 14:53 |
|
atz |
i.e., it can get worse |
| 14:53 |
|
wizzyrea |
I'm not trying to convince you, it's just an idea ;) |
| 14:54 |
|
atz |
i think webservicey layer stuff is the right model overall though |
| 14:54 |
|
wizzyrea |
I don't think you'd ever get rid of the native versions of all functions |
| 14:54 |
|
wizzyrea |
but the ability to snap in your own custom circ module... that is win win win win win |
| 14:55 |
|
owen |
You'd have to hope someone continued to contribute to the native versions |
| 14:55 |
|
wizzyrea |
this is true |
| 14:55 |
|
atz |
i'm not so sure. i think custom circ leads to babylon. |
| 14:55 |
|
atz |
there are already dozens of toggle-able sysprefs in place |
| 14:56 |
|
wizzyrea |
yes, and you could simplify that |
| 14:56 |
|
wizzyrea |
I think such a refactoring could make the base code much easier to maintain |
| 14:56 |
|
atz |
i can imagine such a scenario. i just don't see that it is at all possible to get there from here. |
| 14:57 |
|
sekjal |
its simple |
| 14:57 |
|
sekjal |
when I win the Powerball jackpot, I'll fund a group to blitz through it |
| 14:57 |
|
atz |
sekjal: the concept is simple. the code is a bitch. |
| 14:57 |
|
wizzyrea |
LOL |
| 14:57 |
|
atz |
sekjal: :) |
| 14:57 |
|
owen |
sekjal: You're not the first to have proposed winning the lottery for that purpose. |
| 14:58 |
|
sekjal |
owen: I'll just be the first to succeed. I have a secret weapon |
| 14:58 |
|
wizzyrea |
your cat works for the lottery commission? |
| 14:58 |
|
sekjal |
... |
| 14:59 |
|
sekjal |
wizzyrea: the point of a *secret* weapon is that no one else knows!!! |
| 14:59 |
|
sekjal |
dang it! |
| 14:59 |
|
wizzyrea |
DOH |
| 14:59 |
|
wizzyrea |
well I can't help it if I guess right! |
| 14:59 |
|
sekjal |
well, to be fair, kitty isn't exactly subtle |
| 14:59 |
|
sekjal |
she blogs extensively |
| 14:59 |
|
wizzyrea |
"How to win the lottery without even trying" |
| 15:00 |
|
sekjal |
brb. departmental meeting. |
| 15:32 |
|
Sharon |
Howdy - can I ask for some help troubleshooting a SQL statement? |
| 15:32 |
|
Sharon |
I'm looking for 7-9 year olds at a library. Here's my attempt (that doesn't work) |
| 15:33 |
|
Sharon |
SELECT borrowers.surname,borrowers.firstname,borrowers.categorycode, borrowers.cardnumber,borrowers.address,borrowers.city,borrowers.phone,borrowers.email FROM borrowers WHERE borrowers.branchcode='ATCHISON' AND WHERE DATE(borrowers.dateofbirth) BETWEEN '2000' AND '2002' ORDER BY borrowers.surname asc |
| 15:33 |
|
owen |
What about using year(borrowers.dateofbirth) ? |
| 15:34 |
|
atz |
^^ what he said |
| 15:34 |
|
Sharon |
year instead of date? |
| 15:34 |
|
Sharon |
cool, I'll try that |
| 15:34 |
|
owen |
The year() function pulls just the year out of your date |
| 15:34 |
|
atz |
since you're only comparing year, in this example |
| 15:34 |
|
Sharon |
nope |
| 15:35 |
|
atz |
oh... don't say WHERE twice |
| 15:35 |
|
Sharon |
i've tried it with '2000-01-01' AND '2002-08-11' no luck |
| 15:35 |
|
Sharon |
ah |
| 15:36 |
|
Sharon |
so simple! Thank you |
| 15:36 |
|
Sharon |
that worked |
| 15:36 |
|
owen |
Sharon: you must have been lucky enough to have had dateofbirth data from your old system? |
| 15:37 |
|
Sharon |
yes |
| 15:40 |
|
Sharon |
Thank you! I have just what we need. |
| 16:10 |
|
tomascohen |
/COMMANDS |
| 16:17 |
|
Sharon |
owen: i'm creating a bug to add a scroll bar to opac-addbybiblionumber.pl for folks who have more than 10 lists - should I assign it to you? |
| 16:17 |
|
owen |
Sure |
| 16:18 |
|
Sharon |
not sure, but hopefully it's a simple fix |
| 16:20 |
|
tomascohen |
Is anyone awary of some problems in authority handling on stable (3.02 & 3.0.3 for instance)? |
| 16:20 |
|
tomascohen |
s/awary/aware/ |
| 16:21 |
|
wizzyrea |
chris_n very interesting. Not sure that anyone could argue that koha doesn't need a foundation. :/ |
| 16:21 |
|
wizzyrea |
but going for grant funds to start that is genius |
| 16:22 |
|
owen |
Sharon: be sure to include browser information in your bug report |
| 16:22 |
|
Sharon |
ok. |
| 16:23 |
|
chris_n |
wizzyrea: not only the funding, but just having a solid consensus across such larger and smaller organizations is unusual. |
| 16:23 |
|
wizzyrea |
definitely, it looks like an interesting project |
| 16:24 |
|
wizzyrea |
in several ways |
| 16:34 |
|
Sharon |
Owen bug 3523 |
| 16:34 |
|
munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3523 normal, P5, ---, oleonard myacpl.org, NEW, Missing scroll bar at opac-addbybiblionumber.pl |
| 16:36 |
|
owen |
Sounds like the script isn't pulling more than 10 lists |
| 16:38 |
|
owen |
I remember something about this with reference to the "Lists" button that is part of the search bar. |
| 16:38 |
|
Sharon |
I hope that I caught all the pertinent info in the bug |
| 16:39 |
|
Sharon |
I can do some more testing, too |
| 16:39 |
|
owen |
atz: Do I recall correctly that when pulling list names for the Lists button it only gets the most recent 10? |
| 16:39 |
|
Sharon |
You're right - if you do a search, select all and use the Add to: drop down menu, it only shows the 10 most recently added lists instead of all of them (in alpha order) |
| 16:41 |
|
atz |
not necessarily ten, but however many are on the page |
| 16:41 |
|
owen |
On the page? |
| 16:41 |
|
Sharon |
I added a second screenshot to the bug |
| 16:41 |
|
atz |
LIMIT 10 (could be less, like zero) |
| 16:42 |
|
atz |
that info is stored in session, so it shouldn't be allowed to be arbitrarily large |
| 16:43 |
|
atz |
a new design would be welcome |
| 16:48 |
|
owen |
atz, I don't understand. Is "my $limit = 10;" on line 100 of opac-addbookbybiblionumber.pl not the limit for the number of lists to be retrieved? |
| 16:49 |
|
atz |
are we talking about VirtualShelves "Lists" ? |
| 16:50 |
|
owen |
Yes |
| 16:50 |
|
atz |
that isn't controlled by any script, since it has to be internal |
| 16:50 |
|
atz |
and made available for *every* script/page |
| 16:51 |
|
owen |
But on opac-addbookbybiblionumber.pl, the script has to retrieve its own list of existing lists |
| 16:51 |
|
owen |
my ($shelflist) = GetRecentShelves($shelftype, $limit, $shelftype == 3 ? undef : $loggedinuser); ? |
| 16:52 |
|
atz |
that looks like it would be it... |
| 16:52 |
|
atz |
that must be newer than the last time i worked on shelves though |
| 17:12 |
|
tomascohen |
we're having some errors when trying to use authorities in the stable branch |
| 17:12 |
|
tomascohen |
easily reproducible, so I'll post it to bugzilla |
| 17:13 |
|
tomascohen |
creating and saving an auth, then trying to edit (without changes) |
| 17:13 |
|
tomascohen |
it again |
| 17:13 |
|
tomascohen |
leads to a crash when trying to save it |
| 17:14 |
|
tomascohen |
and a ZOOM error in the logs |
| 17:15 |
|
tomascohen |
anyone perceived this behaviour? |
| 17:20 |
|
hdl_laptop |
tomascohen: can you detail and give the bug # you filed. Going to dinner |
| 17:21 |
|
tomascohen |
i didn't fill it yet, was trying to have some feedbach before I posted it |
| 17:21 |
|
tomascohen |
i'll leave the bug # soon |
| 17:56 |
|
chris_n |
owen: I added that limit back in June 08. See the notes on this commit: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]33afab974d57ac4b9 |
| 17:57 |
|
chris_n |
particularly those pertaining to C4::VirtualShelves::GetRecentShelves |
| 17:58 |
|
owen |
chris_n: But why would a limit need to be enforced for a page like opac-addbybiblionumber.pl? That's not a session-based thing is it? |
| 17:59 |
|
chris_n |
I don't know about that page in particular... |
| 17:59 |
|
atz |
owen: at that point, I don't think that it is |
| 18:05 |
|
chris_n |
ahh, right. It should not apply to the drop-down list. |
| 18:05 |
|
chris_n |
let me look again |
| 18:06 |
|
chris_n |
owen: iirc there was some discussion on just what to do here |
| 18:07 |
|
chris_n |
if a patron created 100 private lists, the drop-down could become unwieldy |
| 18:08 |
|
chris_n |
best I remember, the prevailing thought was that a syspref could be developed to allow the limit to be specified locally rather than hard-coded |
| 18:08 |
|
chris_n |
hence my comments in the commit |
| 18:08 |
|
owen |
How else could the patron add something to one of their 100 lists? |
| 18:08 |
|
atz |
chris_n: that's not really good enough |
| 18:09 |
|
chris_n |
that is the problem |
| 18:09 |
|
owen |
Isn't it up to that patron to deal with the fact that they have too many lists? |
| 18:09 |
|
atz |
right |
| 18:09 |
|
atz |
this is one place where you need to at least allow an override like "show all" |
| 18:09 |
|
chris_n |
so will the browser behave well with a super-long drop-down? |
| 18:09 |
|
atz |
otherwise their old material ends up in a black hole |
| 18:10 |
|
atz |
there are performance limits... but think about it. How many dropdowns are perfectly fine w/ all 50 states? |
| 18:10 |
|
atz |
or all 150+ countries? |
| 18:10 |
|
chris_n |
at any rate, the limit can be set arbitrarily high which should preclude the issue. |
| 18:11 |
|
wizzyrea |
yea, people don't mind scrolling, and if they have 100 lists, they probably want to see them all |
| 18:11 |
|
atz |
has to be in order though... or else you can't use keystrokes to jump through it |
| 18:12 |
|
wizzyrea |
truth |
| 18:14 |
|
wizzyrea |
though if you watch people, not many of them know the keystroke trick |
| 18:14 |
|
wizzyrea |
only us folks who live online |
| 18:14 |
|
wizzyrea |
;) |
| 18:14 |
|
owen |
In my experience, people don't even know you can use the tab key to move between form fields. |
| 18:14 |
|
wizzyrea |
yep, mouse... click.... type... mouse... click.... type |
| 18:15 |
|
chris_n |
the call can probably be changed to GetShelves rather than to GetRecentShelves |
| 18:15 |
|
wizzyrea |
and they get confused when you tell them |
| 18:15 |
|
wizzyrea |
i've stopped doing so |
| 18:15 |
|
wizzyrea |
"whoa whoa whoa, you mean there's another way?!" |
| 18:17 |
|
owen |
chris_n: I thought we needed the limited query of lists for the Lists button in the search bar. Isn't that the one that stores your lists in your session? |
| 18:17 |
|
chris_n |
the query returns the lists grouped by shelfnumber rather than alphabetically |
| 18:18 |
|
chris_n |
I'm thinking of changing just the call which builds the drop-down on opac-search.pl |
| 18:20 |
|
chris_n |
of course, public lists are at the bottom of the user's lists |
| 18:20 |
|
chris_n |
owen: are we looking at the same page? |
| 18:21 |
|
owen |
I'm looking at the issue described in this bug report: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3523 |
| 18:21 |
|
munin |
Bug 3523: normal, P5, ---, oleonardmyacpl.org, NEW, Missing scroll bar at opac-addbybiblionumber.pl |
| 18:22 |
|
chris_n |
then there are two places it may need to be changed |
| 18:23 |
|
chris_n |
I see the problem mentioned in 3523 |
| 18:23 |
|
chris_n |
that may be as easy as changing the function call, but I'd have to look at it more |
| 18:24 |
|
chris_n |
opac-search.pl also presents a limited list of both private and public lists |
| 18:24 |
|
chris_n |
I'm assuming if it gets changed one place it needs to be changed there as well. |
| 18:31 |
|
chris_n |
owen: feel free to reassign the bug to me, but it probably will not get serious attention until after my labels work is completed. |
| 18:31 |
|
owen |
I'll take later over never! |
| 18:31 |
|
wizzyrea |
me too ^.^ and sharon would agree I'm sure |
| 18:50 |
|
Sharon |
yep. I'm just happy it's being looked at. |
| 19:20 |
|
chris |
morning |
| 19:21 |
|
jdavidb |
Hi, chris! |
| 19:24 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi chris, jdavidb, schuster |
| 19:37 |
|
jwagner |
Hi, all! |
| 19:37 |
|
pianohacker1 |
Hello |
| 19:51 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
hello I was wondering if i could get some help on apache |
| 19:51 |
|
pianohacker |
Depends, what do you need? |
| 19:51 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
I was wondering if I could get a download link |
| 19:51 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
i went through the website and can not find it! |
| 19:52 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
i fell rather dumb asking because its probably very obvious |
| 19:52 |
|
pianohacker |
baseballfreak47: Normally you wouldn't be getting apache that way. Koha 2.2, which is available for windows, comes with Apache |
| 19:52 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
I am installing it on debain |
| 19:53 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
I just realized you are the person who helped me last time |
| 19:53 |
|
pianohacker |
Then you would install it by using the following command as root: apt-get install apache2 |
| 19:53 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
Im not very computer savy could i get that in english? |
| 19:54 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
sorry |
| 19:54 |
|
pianohacker |
Start by opening a Terminal. Are you using GNOME or KDE? |
| 19:54 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
how do i know? |
| 19:54 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
right now im on a vista computer |
| 19:55 |
|
pianohacker |
Ah. Have you already installed debian? |
| 19:55 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
the instqll disc is currently downloading |
| 19:55 |
|
pianohacker |
Ok. |
| 19:55 |
|
pianohacker |
It might be easiest to walk you through once you have debian installed and running |
| 19:55 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
oh okay |
| 19:55 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
jw how often are you on here/ |
| 19:56 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
every time ive asked questions its been you |
| 19:56 |
|
pianohacker |
Varies, unfortunately |
| 19:56 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
haah |
| 19:56 |
|
jdavidb |
pianohacker lives here, I think. |
| 19:56 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
hows Colorado |
| 19:56 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
weather wise |
| 19:56 |
|
pianohacker |
Fairly good. Rather rainy right now |
| 19:56 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
oh i wish it would rain here |
| 19:57 |
|
chris |
ok off to catch my bus |
| 19:57 |
|
pianohacker |
Bye |
| 19:57 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
adios |
| 20:04 |
|
chris_n |
will $ENV{'HTTP_REFERER'} always (or nearly always) be correct? |
| 20:04 |
|
pianohacker |
If the browser sends the correct header, yes. |
| 20:04 |
|
pianohacker |
What are you using it for? |
| 20:05 |
|
chris_n |
to build a "Done" button which sends the user back to the referring page (which may be different each time) |
| 20:05 |
|
chris_n |
ie. many pages may call one page; one page needs to send the user back to the place they came from |
| 20:06 |
|
pianohacker |
You could always use the ENV variable and default it to something reasonable if it isn't present |
| 20:06 |
|
chris_n |
great idea, tnx pianohacker |
| 20:29 |
|
richard |
hi |
| 20:29 |
|
pianohacker |
hello |
| 20:48 |
|
chris |
back |
| 20:54 |
|
chris_n |
hi chris |
| 21:29 |
|
chris |
hmm |
| 21:48 |
|
wizzyrea |
hmmm? |
| 21:51 |
|
chris |
trying to remember what i was supposed to do today |
| 21:55 |
|
wizzyrea |
erm, save the world one library at a time? |
| 21:55 |
|
wizzyrea |
...that seems achieveable |
| 21:56 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 21:56 |
|
lamiette |
do we have a "Captain Koha" mascot or anything to go with that goal? |
| 21:59 |
|
chris |
dont give people ideas lamiette |
| 22:01 |
|
chris |
awesone!! |
| 22:04 |
|
gmcharlt |
chris_n++ |
| 22:06 |
|
chris_n |
heading out for food... bbl |
| 22:58 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
I have a barcode question can anyone help/ |
| 22:59 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
can someone answer a few quick questions |
| 23:00 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
Can I use any barcode scanner for koha ? |
| 23:01 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
? |
| 23:03 |
|
chris |
yes |
| 23:03 |
|
chris |
pretty much any |
| 23:03 |
|
chris |
if you can open up a text editor (like notepad in windows) |
| 23:04 |
|
chris |
scan a barcode, and it appears in the text editor |
| 23:04 |
|
chris |
then it will work with koha |
| 23:07 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
oh ok |
| 23:07 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
how can i tell before I buy it? |
| 23:09 |
|
chris |
you want one that is a keyboard wedge |
| 23:09 |
|
chris |
those are the magic words |
| 23:09 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
thats what its called a keyboard wedge barcode scanner? |
| 23:09 |
|
chris |
http://computing.kelkoo.co.uk/[…]oard_wedge-115401 <-- any of those ones would work with koha |
| 23:10 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
oh okay thank you very much |
| 23:10 |
|
chris |
Interface type: Keyboard wedge |
| 23:10 |
|
chris |
thats what you want to hear/see |
| 23:10 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
oh i see i understand now |
| 23:10 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
thank you much |
| 23:10 |
|
chris |
np |
| 23:14 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
just making sure will this one work? |
| 23:14 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
http://cgi.ebay.com/PSC-HANDHE[…]ksid=p3286.c0.m14 |
| 23:14 |
|
chris |
hmm that link doesnt work for me |
| 23:15 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
what browser are you using?> |
| 23:15 |
|
chris |
firefox |
| 23:15 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
probably because it is a us page and your in uk? |
| 23:15 |
|
chris |
nope |
| 23:15 |
|
chris |
This listing () has been removed, or this item is not available. |
| 23:15 |
|
chris |
* |
| 23:15 |
|
chris |
Please check that you've entered the correct item number |
| 23:15 |
|
chris |
is what ebay says |
| 23:15 |
|
chris |
(im in NZ btw) |
| 23:16 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
weird |
| 23:16 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
oh ok |
| 23:16 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
this is what it says: |
| 23:17 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
PSC HANDHELD LASER BARCODE SCANNER & QuikLink 501 Wedge |
| 23:17 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
does it sound like it should work? |
| 23:17 |
|
chris |
no idea sorry |
| 23:18 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
oh ok |
| 23:18 |
|
chris |
google seems to suggest it would |
| 23:18 |
|
Jo |
morning all |
| 23:19 |
|
chris |
hi Jo |
| 23:19 |
|
Jo |
feel like I have been dragged through a gorse bush by a tractor |
| 23:20 |
|
Jo |
Had the library management reviewer onsite all day yesterday which capped a week of finding or creating paperwork. |
| 23:21 |
|
chris |
ahhh fun |
| 23:21 |
|
Jo |
so that post-andrenaline hangover period |
| 23:22 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 23:37 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
so chris you think that will work? |
| 23:41 |
|
chris |
don't know, but it looks like it should |
| 23:41 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
okay thank you |
| 23:43 |
|
joetho |
baseballfreak47 don't forget about the "power supply not included" thing |
| 23:44 |
|
joetho |
this looks like a pretty old scanner, but new enough to have a PS/2 plug |
| 23:47 |
|
joetho |
here's a usb scanner from HongKong, shipped, for thirty bucks. It LOOKS like it would work. Sounds good on paper, anyway... |
| 23:48 |
|
joetho |
look for one that supports all kinds of symbologies, like 3 of 9, etc etc |
| 23:50 |
|
joetho |
"keyboard wedge" refers to how some scanners used to plug in- they had a little pigtail that put them inline with the keyboard, thus the "wedge" |
| 23:50 |
|
chris |
yeah its come to mean "looks like a keyboard to the OS" now |
| 23:51 |
|
chris |
which is what you want |
| 23:51 |
|
joetho |
I am starting to look like a keyboard myself. |
| 23:51 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 23:51 |
|
joetho |
time to hang it up |
| 00:01 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
hey chris i have another questino |
| 00:02 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
if it says this does that probably mean it will work? |
| 00:02 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
"The LS 4008i ensures connectivity to virtually any host with universal cabling and multiple onboard interfaces, including USB, RS-232C, IBM468X/9X, Keyboard Wedge, Wand and Synapse. Advanced Data Formatting (ADF) capabilities allow scanned data to be modified prior to transfer, ensuring compatibility with the application on the host system. " |
| 00:03 |
|
chris |
sure looks like it |
| 00:59 |
|
chris |
man, this tweet sounded so much cooler than it actually is |
| 00:59 |
|
chris |
http://twitter.com/kohails/statuses/3252878350 |
| 01:00 |
|
gmcharlt |
yeah, I noticed that too - false advertising ;) |
| 01:01 |
|
chris |
we had a koha monk |
| 01:01 |
|
chris |
back in the early days, a polish koha monk |
| 01:01 |
|
gmcharlt |
chris: doesn't slef support a bunch of them? |
| 01:01 |
|
chris |
probably :) |
| 01:51 |
|
chris_n2 |
g'evening |
| 01:51 |
|
pianohacker |
Hey |
| 02:04 |
|
pianohacker |
Good night |
| 02:17 |
|
chris_n2 |
catalogue/moredetail.pl now has a "Print Label" button in its toolbar... |
| 02:18 |
|
chris_n2 |
sounds like a job for tomorrow |
| 02:45 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
are there any advantages when installing koha on debain as apposed to ubuntu? |
| 02:48 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
anyone have time to help/ |
| 02:50 |
|
bob |
the main contributers do their work on debian so I'd suspect they would be better to help if things go wrong if you went the debian way |
| 02:53 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
I tried debain but it is extremely hard to use |
| 02:53 |
|
bob |
it can be a bit of a steep learning curve |
| 02:53 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
personally |
| 02:53 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
oops |
| 02:53 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
wring box |
| 02:54 |
|
baseballfreak47 |
ya its not as user friendly as other lynux based os |
| 03:09 |
|
Amit |
hi chris, brendan |
| 03:09 |
|
Amit |
good morning #koha |
| 03:09 |
|
chris |
hi amit |
| 03:10 |
|
Amit |
13 death in india due to swine flue |
| 03:10 |
|
chris |
how many for the regular flu? |
| 03:10 |
|
chris |
here more ppl have died from that, than swine flu still |
| 03:11 |
|
Amit |
around 1000 in india |
| 03:11 |
|
Amit |
most in pune |
| 03:51 |
|
brendan |
hi amit |
| 05:34 |
|
greenmang0 |
@wunder mumbai |
| 05:34 |
|
munin |
greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 28.0°C (10:10 AM IST on August 12, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 27.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
| 05:47 |
|
brendan |
good evening #koha |
| 05:49 |
|
Amit |
hi brendan |
| 05:50 |
|
Amit |
@wunder New Delhi |
| 05:50 |
|
munin |
Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 34.0°C (11:00 AM IST on August 12, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 27.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). |
| 05:50 |
|
Amit |
@wunder Dehradun |
| 05:50 |
|
munin |
Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 27.0°C (8:30 AM IST on August 12, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.64 in 1004 hPa. |
| 05:50 |
|
Amit |
@wunder Mysore |
| 05:50 |
|
munin |
Amit: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 05:59 |
|
hdl_laptop |
hi |
| 06:08 |
|
Amit |
hi hdl |
| 07:04 |
|
kf |
good morning #koha |
| 07:05 |
|
chris |
hi kf |
| 07:05 |
|
kf |
hi chris |
| 07:10 |
|
kf |
have bug reporting on my todo list today - hope today I will find time for it |
| 07:10 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 07:36 |
|
natnat |
hi |
| 07:37 |
|
natnat |
anybody here willing to help a newbie |
| 07:41 |
|
kf |
natnat: just ask your question, perhaps I can help - or somebody else will answer |
| 08:23 |
|
chris |
the magical psychic question approach |
| 08:25 |
|
kf |
did I scare him away? |
| 08:30 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 08:47 |
|
kf |
started with something easy @bug 3524 |
| 08:47 |
|
munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3524 minor, P5, ---, jmfliblime.com, NEW, Display of item type image/description when placing holds (broken image / no description) |
| 08:52 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 08:56 |
|
kf |
ok, working on holds now, question: is it a bug, when I can place a hold (title level or item level) on an item I have checked out? |
| 08:56 |
|
kf |
I think it is |
| 08:58 |
|
chris |
i think it might not be |
| 08:58 |
|
chris |
if it is an item that doesnt allow renewals |
| 08:58 |
|
chris |
but you know you wont finish it, so you want to get it out again |
| 08:59 |
|
chris |
people do that at public libraries |
| 08:59 |
|
chris |
so it would need to be a system preference |
| 08:59 |
|
kf |
I think its unfair |
| 08:59 |
|
kf |
I would check out the item and set a hold on it |
| 08:59 |
|
kf |
so I can keep it longer |
| 08:59 |
|
chris |
yes, but it should be up to the library to decide if they allow it |
| 09:00 |
|
kf |
ok |
| 09:00 |
|
chris |
and you still have to return it |
| 09:00 |
|
kf |
so its an enhancement? |
| 09:00 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 09:00 |
|
chris |
someone else might have put a hold on it before you too |
| 09:00 |
|
chris |
so you still wouldnt nessecarily get it back right away |
| 09:02 |
|
kf |
just asked my colleague about our current system |
| 09:02 |
|
kf |
it can be configured |
| 09:04 |
|
chris |
yep, so an option to configure it would be a good enhancement |
| 09:09 |
|
kf |
ok, will try to write something |
| 09:10 |
|
kf |
option to avoid placing holds on checked out items/titles - ok? |
| 09:11 |
|
kf |
hm |
| 09:13 |
|
chris |
yep sounds good to me |
| 09:18 |
|
kf |
hm perhaps its really more a feature than a bug |
| 09:18 |
|
chris |
yep, i think its a feature |
| 09:18 |
|
chris |
but features go in bugzilla too, just as enhancements |
| 09:18 |
|
natnat |
hi |
| 09:19 |
|
kf |
yes, but the more I think about it, the more I think its ok how Koha is working now |
| 09:19 |
|
natnat |
i have successfully installed koha in fedora core 10 |
| 09:19 |
|
kf |
perhaps Im just used to our current system |
| 09:20 |
|
natnat |
the problem i have is in adding koha-zebra-daemon to services that would start during boot time |
| 09:22 |
|
chris |
right |
| 09:22 |
|
chris |
you have symlinked the file into /etc/init.d ? |
| 09:22 |
|
natnat |
yes... |
| 09:23 |
|
chris |
so on fedora you have to use chkconfig |
| 09:23 |
|
chris |
http://linuxcommand.org/man_pages/chkconfig8.html |
| 09:23 |
|
natnat |
ln -s /usr/share/koha/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon |
| 09:24 |
|
chris |
but chkconfig is how you add it to the rc.d directories |
| 09:24 |
|
chris |
check out the example in that man page |
| 09:25 |
|
chris |
so you have to edit that file |
| 09:25 |
|
chris |
add in some lines |
| 09:25 |
|
chris |
ah well, i tried |
| 09:36 |
|
kf |
yes. |
| 09:41 |
|
kf |
ok, added my test cases to AllowOnShelfHoldsBug - works great now in 3.2 :) Will discuss the enhancement for holds on checkouts with my colleagues before filing a bug |
| 09:42 |
|
kf |
thx for your insight on this feature chris :) |
| 09:45 |
|
chris |
no problem |
| 10:05 |
|
nathan1021 |
hi |
| 10:06 |
|
nathan1021 |
i have some few issues with koha in fedora core 10 |
| 10:06 |
|
nathan1021 |
i have successfully installed it |
| 10:06 |
|
nathan1021 |
its up and running |
| 10:07 |
|
nathan1021 |
but hit a wall when trying to run zebra server |
| 10:07 |
|
chris |
21:23 < chris> so on fedora you have to use chkconfig |
| 10:07 |
|
chris |
21:23 < chris> http://linuxcommand.org/man_pages/chkconfig8.html |
| 10:07 |
|
chris |
21:23 < natnat> ln -s /usr/share/koha/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon |
| 10:07 |
|
chris |
21:24 * chris is a debian user so i would do sudo update-rc.d koha-zebra-daemon defaults |
| 10:07 |
|
chris |
21:24 < chris> but chkconfig is how you add it to the rc.d directories |
| 10:07 |
|
chris |
21:24 < chris> check out the example in that man page |
| 10:08 |
|
nathan1021 |
i have already add using chkconfig |
| 10:09 |
|
nathan1021 |
since koha-zebra-ctl.sh is not "compatible" with chkconfig |
| 10:09 |
|
nathan1021 |
i have to add the two lines in the top of the file |
| 10:09 |
|
chris |
yes |
| 10:09 |
|
nathan1021 |
#chkconfig: 2345 20 80 |
| 10:09 |
|
chris |
yes |
| 10:09 |
|
nathan1021 |
#description: Koha Server Daemon |
| 10:10 |
|
nathan1021 |
i have already added those lines. |
| 10:10 |
|
nathan1021 |
then run |
| 10:10 |
|
nathan1021 |
chkconfig --add koha-zebra-daemon |
| 10:12 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 10:12 |
|
nathan1021 |
is that all i need to do?? |
| 10:12 |
|
chris |
yep its added to the runtimes now |
| 10:13 |
|
nathan1021 |
im not sure exactly if zebra is already running during boot time |
| 10:13 |
|
nathan1021 |
how do i check inside koha if zebra is running? |
| 10:13 |
|
chris |
you dont, but you can do a ps axf | grep "zebra" |
| 10:14 |
|
chris |
or /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon start |
| 10:14 |
|
chris |
you probably are missing the daemon program, unless you have installed it already |
| 10:16 |
|
chris |
but if you try to start it, it should say something about it missing if it is |
| 10:16 |
|
chris |
http://www.libslack.org/daemon/#download |
| 10:20 |
|
nathan1022 |
sorry i got disconnected |
| 10:20 |
|
chris |
what was the last thing you saw? |
| 10:21 |
|
nathan1022 |
when i tried /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon start it cant start |
| 10:21 |
|
chris |
right |
| 10:21 |
|
chris |
22:14 < chris> you probably are missing the daemon program, unless you have installed it already |
| 10:21 |
|
chris |
22:17 < chris> but if you try to start it, it should say something about it missing if it is |
| 10:21 |
|
chris |
22:17 < chris> http://www.libslack.org/daemon/#download |
| 10:22 |
|
nathan1022 |
so... that must be it |
| 10:22 |
|
nathan1022 |
it did not understand the options like --name |
| 10:22 |
|
nathan1022 |
etc... |
| 10:22 |
|
nathan1022 |
thanks... |
| 10:22 |
|
nathan1022 |
i'll try it tomorrow... |
| 10:23 |
|
nathan1022 |
im in a different command center right now |
| 10:51 |
|
hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: around ? |
| 10:52 |
|
gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: yes |
| 10:52 |
|
hdl_laptop |
hi |
| 10:52 |
|
hdl_laptop |
how are you ? |
| 10:52 |
|
gmcharlt |
ok |
| 10:52 |
|
gmcharlt |
how are you? |
| 10:52 |
|
hdl_laptop |
good. |
| 10:53 |
|
hdl_laptop |
Just wondering whether reconciliation branch would be truly a reconciliation branch. |
| 10:53 |
|
hdl_laptop |
I read the RFCs down. |
| 10:54 |
|
hdl_laptop |
I am wondering whether something was done for items ? |
| 10:54 |
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gmcharlt |
what about items, specifically? |
| 10:54 |
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chris |
http://www.mizstik.co.cc/2009/08/koha-livecd/ |
| 10:57 |
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chris |
hehe did you tweet that before or after i pasted it gmcharlt ? :) |
| 10:57 |
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hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: items out of biblioitems. |
| 11:15 |
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gmcharlt |
chris: after - should have credited |
| 11:16 |
|
gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: taking items out of MARC blob is my personal project |
| 11:17 |
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hdl_laptop |
will you be able to make it for 3.2 ? |
| 11:17 |
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gmcharlt |
yes |
| 11:43 |
|
chris |
gmcharlt: naw, wasnt angling for credit, just was wondering if you saw it in your feedreader same time as me :) |
| 11:44 |
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chris |
google blog search picks things up fast |
| 11:49 |
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gmcharlt |
indeed |
| 11:51 |
|
kf |
good night chris |
| 11:53 |
|
gmcharlt |
g'night |
