IRC log for #koha, 2009-08-07

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Time S Nick Message
12:00 Amit hi jwagner, jdavidb
12:11 jdavidb Howdy, Amit! :)
12:12 gmcharlt hi jwagner, jdavidb, Amit
12:12 Amit hi galen
12:12 jdavidb Hiya, gmcharlt.  
12:13 jwagner Hi everyone
12:13 Amit heya jwagner
12:13 jdavidb gmcharlt:  Remember that squirrely indexing problem I was having yesterday?  Got it licked.
12:13 gmcharlt jdavidb: cool - what was the problem?
12:14 jdavidb This site had self-converted from some other system.  Rather than rearrange holdings fields to match Koha's "map" of 952 fields, they rearranged the map.  Which, since it'sl all table-based, worked just fine--until I reinstalled default indexing.
12:15 jdavidb Barcode, itype, and about 9 other things were not in the fields that record.abs was expecting.  
12:15 gmcharlt yeah, that would do it
12:15 gmcharlt that part of the config needs to be coming from one source
12:16 jdavidb So, reconciling record.abs to what is in the map solved the issue, after a reindex.
12:21 schuster Morning all!
12:22 gmcharlt hi schuster
12:28 jdavidb howdy, schuster.  :)
12:30 paul_p good morning USA-ers !
12:31 jdavidb Hi, paul_p.  :)
12:54 owen Hi schuster, chris_n
13:19 chris_n hi owen
13:19 owen What's new chris_n?
13:28 chris_n phone
13:43 vedran hello, I lost password , where I Can find it or change it in my koha
13:44 gmcharlt vedran: Koha 3?
13:44 gmcharlt if so, it's in the koha-conf.xml file
13:45 vedran gmcharlt: OK, I will check it now
13:45 vedran which folder?
13:50 chris_n owen: lots of lightening damage to my lan equipment and pbx in several buildings... :-(
13:50 owen :(
13:51 chris_n insurance++
13:51 owen I read your lightning strike mention in the log, sorry to hear it was pretty serious
13:51 chris_n a 24 pair cable runs very near the tree that was struck and the rest is history
13:52 chris_n btw, I like your koha blog
13:52 chris_n very informative
13:55 owen Thanks
13:55 owen I'm working on a followup on the YUI Grids post, but I'm having trouble getting some answers out of the ydn-javascript group
13:55 owen They don't seem to be interested in Grids questions
14:04 chris_n I've been messing with the grey box js, but it seems to be slow on some machines
14:09 owen chris_n: I'd be open to replacing it with a YUI or jquery method if it was leaner and faster
14:11 chris_n grey box also does not appear to support any form of location.href
14:12 chris_n does yui offer similar pop up functionality?
14:13 owen I would think so, but don't know offhand. I know you could find a similar jquery plugin
14:14 owen I've used a jquery one called jqModal, but I don't know if the functionality matches Greybox (not sure what the requirements are)
14:14 owen Good luck :|
14:22 jdavidb Hi, Wizzyrea_!
14:23 Wizzyrea_ mornin' :)
14:23 Wizzyrea_ just a warning to everybody, later today I'm giving a talk on Open Source Community, you may be projected :P
14:23 jdavidb :)
14:24 Wizzyrea_ HA
14:24 Wizzyrea_ not the point, but thanks all the same :)
14:25 Wizzyrea_ just be your charming selves
14:25 kmkale bye all
14:26 jdavidb In the interest of balance, I was trying to think of something *negative* to say, Liz, but am at a loss.
14:38 owen Wizzyrea_: Be sure to let us know when to wave
15:14 paul_p gmcharlt: around ?
15:14 gmcharlt paul_p: yes
15:15 paul_p do you know who could fix gitstat ? the last commit in changelog is 09/04/29 :(
15:15 paul_p ( )
15:15 gmcharlt paul_p: not sure if I have access - I can readily set up one on my own server, tho
15:15 gmcharlt and I think chris is running one as well
15:16 paul_p does it mean we've "lost access" to this site ?
15:17 gmcharlt paul_p: not necessarily - seems I still have shell access to, so will look into fixing it there
15:17 paul_p gmcharlt: ++
16:04 kf bye #koha :)
16:16 gmc_mob @quote random
16:16 munin gmc_mob: Quote #20: "<wizzyrea> you will see no wedgie-ing from me" (added by jdavidb at 03:50 PM, July 31, 2009)
16:17 jdavidb lol
16:17 Wizzyrea_ ooh
16:17 Wizzyrea_ that's a good one
16:17 jdavidb @quote random
16:17 munin jdavidb: Quote #20: "<wizzyrea> you will see no wedgie-ing from me" (added by jdavidb at 03:50 PM, July 31, 2009)
16:18 Wizzyrea_ ...and popular, apparently
16:18 owen I think we need more quotes!
16:18 jdavidb @quote random
16:18 munin jdavidb: Quote #5: "<jwagner> Why is it every Koha rock I turn over produces a zillion (metaphorical) ants, each with a new question????" (added by kf at 01:13 PM, June 12, 2009)
16:18 jdavidb @quote add <owen>I think we need more quotes!
16:18 munin jdavidb: The operation succeeded.  Quote #21 added.
16:19 jdavidb :P
16:19 Wizzyrea_ @quote random
16:19 munin Wizzyrea_: Quote #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon is to erm, use the belly of the hog (I think)" (added by chris at 09:37 PM, July 17, 2009)
16:19 Wizzyrea_ oh god...
16:20 owen What a limited view of the purpose of bacon.
16:20 gmcharlt Wizzyrea_: you're clearly the most quotable of us all
16:20 owen The purpose of bacon is to make things better.
16:20 jdavidb owen:  you wouldn't know this, being the skinny thing you are, but it is also good for maintaining a panoramic physique, like mine.
16:22 jdavidb @quote random
16:22 munin jdavidb: Quote #2: "<jwagner> Hope springs eternal in little kitty hearts. Better watch the doors :-)" (added by gmcharlt at 04:04 PM, June 03, 2009)
16:23 Wizzyrea_ doh I'm not registered, someone add that quote from jdavidb
16:24 owen How does one register?
16:24 gmcharlt owen: /msg munin register nick password
16:24 gmcharlt @quote add <jdavidb> owen:  you wouldn't know this, being the skinny thing you are, but it is also good for maintaining a panoramic physique, like mine.
16:24 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.  Quote #22 added.
16:25 gmcharlt owen: then /msg munin identify nick password whenever you join
16:25 owen Thanks gmcharlt
16:25 Wizzyrea_ @quote add <gmcharlt> /msg munin register nick password
16:25 munin Wizzyrea_: The operation succeeded.  Quote #23 added.
16:25 Wizzyrea_ thought it might be useful some day
16:26 Wizzyrea_ @quote 23
16:26 munin Wizzyrea_: I suck
16:26 gmcharlt @quote get 23
16:26 munin gmcharlt: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg munin register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009)
16:26 Wizzyrea_ @quote get 23
16:26 munin Wizzyrea_: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg munin register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009)
16:26 Wizzyrea_ pbbbt
16:26 gmcharlt @dunno add I've exhausted by database of quotes
16:26 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.  Dunno #6 added.
16:26 gmcharlt @dunno remove 6
16:26 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
16:26 gmcharlt @dunno add I've exhausted my database of quotes
16:26 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.  Dunno #7 added.
16:27 Wizzyrea_ hm, the /msg munin register nick password might be a good dunno
16:27 jdavidb @quote random
16:27 munin jdavidb: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg munin register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009)
16:28 jdavidb Munin, you're not very bright, are you?
16:28 munin jdavidb: downloading the Perl source
16:28 Wizzyrea_ well I think that would make him bright
16:28 jdavidb Hmpf.
16:28 Wizzyrea_ @quote random
16:28 munin Wizzyrea_: Quote #21: "<owen> I think we need more quotes!" (added by jdavidb at 04:18 PM, August 06, 2009)
16:28 owen munin: You're a source of endless procrastination.
16:28 munin owen: downloading the Perl source
16:29 Wizzyrea_ @wunder Topeka, KS
16:29 munin Wizzyrea_: The current temperature in Near Washburn University, Topeka, Kansas is 25.3°C (11:29 AM CDT on August 06, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1019.9 hPa (Steady).
16:30 owen / msg munin register temperature Fahrenheit
16:30 nicomo_ @wunder lyon france
16:30 munin nicomo_: The current temperature in Lyon Satolas, France is 33.0°C (6:00 PM CEST on August 06, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
16:31 nicomo_ too hot
16:31 owen Hotter in Lyon than Kansas? Wow.
16:31 Wizzyrea_ yea, it's been a strange summer here
16:31 Wizzyrea_ nice, but strange
16:32 jdavidb @wunder rockville, md
16:32 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Woodley Gardens, Rockville, Maryland is 20.2°C (12:31 PM EDT on August 06, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Steady).
16:32 jdavidb No wonder it feels like a lukewarm bath out there...
16:32 nicomo eh eh
16:32 pianohacker You can also add a hostmask, so you don't have to enter your password
16:32 nicomo 33°C is, what? 90°F?
16:33 Wizzyrea_ jdavidb; in my book, that's a cold bath
16:33 Wizzyrea_ that's a bath hardly worth taking
16:33 pianohacker @gcalc 32 degrees celcius in degrees fahrenheit
16:33 munin pianohacker: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
16:33 nicomo 91.4
16:33 pianohacker @gcalc 32 degrees celsius in degrees fahrenheit
16:33 munin pianohacker: 32 degrees Celsius = 89.6 degrees Fahrenheit
16:34 nicomo I think I'll stay indoors
16:34 jdavidb It's pleasantly cool and rainy here today.  One of those slow drippy rains that you can stand out in for thirty minutes, and *not* get soaked.
16:34 Wizzyrea_ nicomo: good idea jdavidb: oh, nice
16:36 jdavidb gmcharlt:  Here's a puzzler...remember how I told you that my problem child had rearranged the map a bit, causing index problems?
16:39 gmcharlt jdavidb: yep
16:39 joetho Another busy day at the office, I see.
16:40 jdavidb It's causing search-results problems, too, apparently.  Everything shows "available" on the hitlist, even when it's checked out.  onloan is mapped to 952$k,  and that's just not present in the field at and following, when the hash gets populated to work all that out.
16:41 jdavidb (it is in the marcxml stared in biblioitems, however.)
16:42 jdavidb the framework, it's marked "hidden"!   Could taht be it?
16:42 joetho is there a separate liblime IRC channel?
16:43 gmcharlt jdavidb: ouch if that actually turns out to be the reason - 'hidden' should only affect visibility
16:43 Wizzyrea_ not that I'm aware of
16:44 gmcharlt jdavidb: in the MARC frameworks, all item fields are mapped to the same tag, correct?
16:44 jdavidb 952, yes.
16:46 jdavidb I did a Dumper on $field, and most of the *rest* of the subfields are there...lost status, barcode, lots of others.  But not k.    $subfieldtosearch{'onloan'} is correctly 'k'.
16:46 jdavidb un-hiding that didn't change anything.
16:48 gmcharlt jdavidb: note that at that point in the process, C4/ is parsing the MARC record as returned by Zebra, not the version stored in the DB
16:48 jdavidb oh-hoh.
16:48 gmcharlt you can using yaz-client, set the format to xml and the element set to marcxml to see what it's returning
16:49 gmcharlt or, more readily
16:49 gmcharlt do a Dumper of the $marcrecord parsed around line 1195
16:52 jdavidb Sure enough, 952$k is not there.    Hrm.
16:53 pianohacker jdavidb: Is it in the marcxml blob in the table?
16:53 jdavidb pianohacker:  a-yup!
16:53 pianohacker And record.abs?
16:54 jdavidb yup.  
16:54 gmcharlt jdavidb: hmm - is it also in the marc (not marcxml) blob in biblioitems?
16:55 jdavidb yup!  I see it there.
16:55 gmcharlt quick way to tell (besides looking at it) would be to reindex that record using -b -x -z
16:58 jdavidb That happened already once this morning.  But it's not just this one record--*everything* shows available...
17:01 jdavidb I did the yaz-client bit, and 952$k just is not being returned.
17:02 jdavidb letting it show it to me in marc form, zebra isn't giving it to me there, either.  Maybe it filtered it away on input?
17:04 paul_p bye everybody & see you tomorrow (before I leave for 2 weeks of vacations)
17:04 jdavidb have a good evening, paul!
17:04 gmcharlt g'night paul_p
17:16 jdavidb Bother.  Found a eeety bitty typo in my record.abs.   Fixed, and resent the record thru the zebra queue...sure enough, that got it.
17:20 jwagner To quote someone not a thousand miles away :-)  Spelling Counts!
17:22 jdavidb jwagner:  :P      One space, in one line of record.abs, caused a "bad # of args to melm"...on that line.
17:25 jwagner (jdavidb keeps using that line on me -- 'tis fun to return fire!)
17:26 jdavidb jwagner, be nice, or I'll make your sandbox forget things.   :P    
17:26 jdavidb gmcharlt, pianohacker, thanks for the help...
17:26 jwagner So long as you don't dump kitty litter into the sandbox....
17:43 owen[…]t-of-open-source/
18:11 wizzyrea_preso Good afternoon, koha folks
18:11 wizzyrea_preso you're live on screen, fyi lol
18:11 atz what's "preso"?
18:11 atz ah, presentation
18:11 wizzyrea_preso I"m in a presentation ^.^
18:11 atz don't listen to her!
18:11 atz j/k
18:11 owen Hi wizzyrea_preso's audience
18:12 jdavidb Howdy from Maryland!
18:12 owen Did y'all just have lunch? You must be sleepy now.
18:12 MickeyC wave to galen from diana!
18:12 joetho Hi Joe!
18:12 MickeyC fajitas for lunch
18:13 jdavidb You're getting verry....sleeeeeeepy.....
18:13 MickeyC zzzzz
18:13 magnusenger "God kveld" from Norway!
18:14 jwagner Nonzenze, wizzyrea, Pay No Attention To Those People Behind the Curtain!
18:15 joetho a log of this channel:[…]25%3A00&save=save
18:16 jdavidb Yesterday's meeting, yup!
18:16 joetho an easy mibbet login page to this channel:
20:31 richard hi
21:04 schuster ;)  I have cable - love it.
21:04 schuster night all have a great evening.
21:07 joetho we have a 10 mb/sec connection in the office that is usually pretty hot. On the road can be just about anything  
21:08 joetho I have found some of these 802.11 wireless providers to be shockingly fast. Sometimes.
21:09 joetho and dsl beats a 9600 modem.
22:21 pianohacker Hello, chris
22:22 chris heya pianohacker, howsit?
22:23 pianohacker Good, good
22:28 pianohacker chris_n: Cable isn't always perfect; I swear administering a reliable DNS server seems to be completely beyond Bresnan
22:30 Jo morning all
22:30 pianohacker Good morning
22:36 gmcharlt hi Jo
22:37 chris_n2 hello chris, pianohacker, Jo, & gmcharlt
22:38 chris chris_n2: pie on here is who might be doing some work on database independence, so he might have some questiosn for you :)
22:38 pianohacker database independence?
22:38 chris well at least being able to work with postgres and mysql for a start
22:39 pianohacker Ah
22:40 chris ohh congrats :)
22:40 gmcharlt chris_n2: congrats!
22:40 pianohacker Congratulations. Took a sec to realize you must be talking about your marriage, since Koha's only 10 years old
22:40 chris_n2 hehe
22:41 chris_n2 tnx
22:41 pianohacker The two anniversaries are pretty close together
22:42 chris_n2 happy coincidence... two wonderful occurrences in such close proximity ;-)
22:45 pie chris_n2: that's awesome, congrats :)
22:45 pie and yeah, chris is right, I'm gonna try and look at some DB bits and bobs
22:45 chris_n2 tnx, pie
22:49 chris_n2 at least I assume that that is the correct variation of dophin used by mysql
22:49 pianohacker Presumably
22:50 pie that's a good skill to have :)
22:52 gmcharlt if you can't find a reference librarian, use Google ;)
23:07 chris_n2 are there any issues in using ajax in koha?
23:07 chris_n2 s/in/with/
23:08 chris not if it degrades
23:08 chris_n2 ?
23:09 chris_n2 degrades == backward compatibility
23:09 chris ie if you can still use the feature without having js, but if you have js then it uses ajax
23:09 chris thats cool
23:10 chris mostly for accessibility reasons
23:18 pianohacker chris_n2-away: I must, as duty commands, point out my C4::Service framework if you're interested in Koha AJAX stuff
23:19 chris @later tell chris_n2 < pianohacker> chris_n2-away: I must, as duty commands, point out my C4::Service framework if  you're interested in Koha AJAX stuff
23:19 munin chris: The operation succeeded.
23:19 chris just in case :)
23:19 pianohacker Ahh, good idea. Thanks
01:04 pianohacker 'gnight
01:04 brendan see you in a bit #koha  -- time to ride the bike home
01:42 brendan back after a pleasant bike-ride home
01:45 pie I gotta do it more :)
01:46 brendan :)
02:01 lamiette brendan: how far is the ride?
02:26 brendan 4.5 miles
02:26 brendan gcalc 4.5 miles in km
02:26 brendan @gcalc 4.5 miles in km
02:26 munin brendan: 4.5 miles = 7.242048 kilometers
02:27 brendan so 7km lamiette
02:32 mason .
02:40 lamiette brendan: I think my cycle route to work is only 2km a the moment so round trip 4 :( not really long enough and through the city so not that fun either
02:41 brendan that's cool -- at least you're out ride -- I think that is the key
02:41 lamiette haven't been for a while :) but need to get back into it again as I have the Taupo cyclechallenge in Nov
02:42 brendan good luck
02:42 lamiette only going to do 40-80kms :)
03:31 Amit hi chris, brendan
03:31 Amit good morning #koha
03:32 Amit @wunder New Delhi India
03:32 munin Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 32.0°C (8:30 AM IST on August 07, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady).
03:45 brendan @wunder 93117
03:45 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 22.8°C (8:38 PM PDT on August 06, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect until 9 am PDT Friday...
03:45 brendan hi amit
03:46 Amit heya brendan
03:46 Amit hi Jo, Pie
03:46 Amit @wunder dehradun India
03:46 munin Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 25.0°C (8:30 AM IST on August 07, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.49 in 999 hPa.
03:46 Amit @wunder Bangalore India
03:46 munin Amit: Error: No such location could be found.
04:09 mason morning amit
04:13 Amit morning mason
05:12 Jo Hi Amit
05:12 Amit heya jo
05:12 Jo (funny how I actually quite like getting the daily weather report from India :)
05:17 Amit which city
05:24 Jo any ..
05:24 Jo they don't mean anything to me .. I just like that they appear whenever you guys start work :)
05:25 Jo ok - I'm off home.
05:25 Jo Have a great weekedn everyone.
06:35 greenmang0 @wunder mumbai
06:35 munin greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 30.0°C (11:40 AM IST on August 07, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
07:18 kf good morning #koha
07:20 paul_p good morning #koha too
07:47 eiro gm #koha
07:55 kf :)
07:59 Amit hi kf
08:03 kf hi Amit
11:33 Amit hi davi, jwagner
11:34 davi hi Amit
11:48 jwagner Hi Amit
11:56 gmcharlt morning
11:57 Amit hi galen
11:57 jwagner morning, galen

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