| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 12:33 |
|
|Lupin| |
hello |
| 13:07 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi |Lupin| |
| 13:08 |
|
cait |
hi galen |
| 13:08 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi cait |
| 13:09 |
|
gmcharlt |
cait: I'm curious, I understand that German catalogers don't typically enter cataloging records in a form that looks much like a MARC21 or MAB record |
| 13:09 |
|
gmcharlt |
is that correct? |
| 13:11 |
|
cait |
let me think about it |
| 13:12 |
|
cait |
I m not sure if I can give you a qualified answer to that |
| 13:12 |
|
cait |
perhaps explain it for our union catalog |
| 13:12 |
|
cait |
wich is pica |
| 13:12 |
|
cait |
they enter records in pica format, they get records for their local systems in mab or in marc21, wich is new and I m still testing it |
| 13:13 |
|
cait |
most academic libraries catalog to union catalogs, but I think some of them are mab inside |
| 13:13 |
|
cait |
for public libraries it might depend on their ils, I know most of them can import mab and they can buy mab records from their vendors |
| 13:14 |
|
cait |
hm there is also RAK |
| 13:14 |
|
cait |
alphabetic rules for cataloging |
| 13:15 |
|
cait |
I learned to catalog with RAK when in library school |
| 13:17 |
|
cait |
Im not a cataloger :( |
| 13:18 |
|
gmcharlt |
looks RAK (as cataloging code) fills same niche as AACR2 |
| 13:19 |
|
cait |
yes, I think thats true |
| 13:19 |
|
cait |
its goes back to card catalogs |
| 13:20 |
|
gmcharlt |
could you point me to an example of what a Pica format record looks like? |
| 13:20 |
|
cait |
I think you wont need that outside of cataloging in union catalog - its not for data exchange |
| 13:21 |
|
gmcharlt |
right, but I'm curious how it compares as a data entry format |
| 13:21 |
|
cait |
its similar to marc21, four numbes, no indicators but subfields |
| 13:22 |
|
cait |
but im not an expert |
| 13:22 |
|
gmcharlt |
ah, OK - still has catalogers thinking in terms of tag numbers and subfields |
| 13:22 |
|
cait |
yes |
| 13:22 |
|
cait |
sorry, I cant log into union catalog cataloging interface from here |
| 13:23 |
|
cait |
to copy you a record |
| 13:23 |
|
gmcharlt |
no worries |
| 13:24 |
|
cait |
why are you interested in cataloging formats? |
| 13:24 |
|
gmcharlt |
general professional interest of mine, actually |
| 13:25 |
|
gmcharlt |
after having spent years work to migrate good (and crappy!) records |
| 13:25 |
|
gmcharlt |
interested in ways of doing it better |
| 13:25 |
|
cait |
I think there are some special things about German cataloging |
| 13:25 |
|
gmcharlt |
also having observed how USMARC/MARC21 tends to *not* take up good ideas from the other MARC formats it absorbs |
| 13:26 |
|
cait |
we got some changes into MARC21 by MARBI |
| 13:26 |
|
gmcharlt |
what ends up happening as German cataloging starts using MARC21 is of particular interest |
| 13:26 |
|
gmcharlt |
yeah, UKMARC did less well in that respect |
| 13:26 |
|
cait |
I think linking authority records by identity numbers is one of them |
| 13:26 |
|
gmcharlt |
it is indeed, although I wish they had done a better job with the subfield $0 proposal |
| 13:27 |
|
cait |
fighting with it atm |
| 13:27 |
|
gmcharlt |
as it doesn't handle case where multiple authorities (main heading + subdivision) are linked to one bib heading |
| 13:27 |
|
cait |
we copy them to $9 for import to koha |
| 13:27 |
|
cait |
I link the linking feature a lot |
| 13:27 |
|
cait |
what gives me headaches is linking between titles $w |
| 13:27 |
|
cait |
dont even started with that yet :( |
| 13:27 |
|
gmcharlt |
yeah |
| 13:27 |
|
cait |
and we will need to change xslt display |
| 13:27 |
|
gmcharlt |
hopefully the Linked Data folks will help save us there |
| 13:28 |
|
cait |
also for displaying 880 fields |
| 13:28 |
|
cait |
linked data folks? |
| 13:28 |
|
|Lupin| |
nope, sorry :) |
| 13:28 |
|
gmcharlt |
semantic web, RDF, and assigning URIs to everything |
| 13:29 |
|
cait |
I dont see that we can adapt that easily |
| 13:31 |
|
cait |
(15:27:13) gmcharlt: as it doesn't handle case where multiple authorities (main heading + subdivision) are linked to one bib heading - do you have an example for that? |
| 13:31 |
|
gmcharlt |
cait: it goes something like this |
| 13:31 |
|
cait |
$0 is repeatable for different sources of authorities |
| 13:31 |
|
gmcharlt |
if a bib heading is like this |
| 13:32 |
|
gmcharlt |
$a Castles $x $tone $z Germany |
| 13:33 |
|
gmcharlt |
suppose $a an authorized main heading |
| 13:33 |
|
gmcharlt |
and Stone and Gemany |
| 13:33 |
|
gmcharlt |
are each authorized free floating subdivions (e.g., in MARC21 would be represented as aut record with 18x) |
| 13:33 |
|
gmcharlt |
although $0 can be repeated |
| 13:34 |
|
gmcharlt |
it's not clear to me how you make sure unambiguously which part of the bib heading |
| 13:34 |
|
gmcharlt |
is authorized by which authority record |
| 13:34 |
|
cait |
huh |
| 13:35 |
|
cait |
I dont think I really understand that - not a cataloger ;) but I have some authority records here, let me look at them for a minute |
| 13:36 |
|
|Lupin| |
bye everybody |
| 13:38 |
|
cait |
$a Castles $x $tone $z Germany is from title record? |
| 13:40 |
|
gmcharlt |
yes, in context of my example |
| 13:43 |
|
cait |
ok, I will have to ask our format expert about that |
| 15:46 |
|
|Lupin| |
hi again, folks |
| 15:52 |
|
|Lupin| |
has someone an idea how to link books to users ? |
| 15:53 |
|
|Lupin| |
to represent who has created a record, say, is it possible to store something in a MARC field that would cause Koha to dispaly a link to the user ? |
| 15:55 |
|
|Lupin| |
cait: any idea ? :) |
| 16:06 |
|
|Lupin| |
bbl |
| 16:07 |
|
cait |
hi |
| 16:07 |
|
|Lupin| |
oh, was about to leave :) |
| 16:07 |
|
cait |
was afk, watching tv |
| 16:07 |
|
|Lupin| |
cait: np !! |
| 16:07 |
|
cait |
thinking about your question |
| 16:08 |
|
|Lupin| |
cait: k, nice from you to think about these things on a sunday |
| 16:08 |
|
cait |
not sure if I have an answer |
| 16:09 |
|
cait |
dont know if MARC21 has fields for cataloger, but perhaps it has |
| 16:09 |
|
|Lupin| |
cait: on possibilit is to alter the template slightly so that for one field it knows it has to look for that in the borrowers table, print borrower's name and make it a link to the details page for that borrower |
| 16:10 |
|
|Lupin| |
cait: here we use Unimarc but the problem is roughly the same, probably. |
| 16:10 |
|
cait |
the link is only for staff side? |
| 16:10 |
|
|Lupin| |
cait: thatwould be the minimumu, I'd say |
| 16:11 |
|
cait |
you could have an authority for the creator |
| 16:11 |
|
|Lupin| |
cait: in the current system the links appears at OPAC, too, if this deserves the name of OPAC |
| 16:11 |
|
cait |
but this would lead to an uathority record, not to the borrower record |
| 16:11 |
|
|Lupin| |
ahah ! |
| 16:11 |
|
|Lupin| |
cait: this sounds much clenaer than the modification of the template !! |
| 16:12 |
|
cait |
yes |
| 16:12 |
|
|Lupin| |
cait: perhaps creating an authorised value for that and keeping it synchronised with borowers table would work ? |
| 16:12 |
|
cait |
ok, link would lead to other record created by that author |
| 16:13 |
|
|Lupin| |
which may also be an interesting functionalty |
| 16:14 |
|
cait |
authorities dont looks really user friendly atm |
| 16:14 |
|
cait |
very marc21-ish |
| 16:14 |
|
|Lupin| |
perhaps koha should be modified so that, in the KOha => Marc mappings, possibility is offered to pickup a field from the users table and not onl from the biblio, biblioitem and item tables |
| 16:14 |
|
|Lupin| |
cait: k |
| 16:16 |
|
|Lupin| |
hmm last idea does not work cause koha won't know which row to pick up in borrowers table |
| 16:16 |
|
|Lupin| |
it works for the other tables because the biblionumber can be used to figure out which row to use |
| 16:16 |
|
cait |
ah |
| 16:17 |
|
cait |
sorry - no idea |
| 16:18 |
|
cait |
didnt you plan to ask questions about data import? :) |
| 16:18 |
|
|Lupin| |
cait: that was the one :) |
| 16:18 |
|
|Lupin| |
cait: because in the system used currently these links are present |
| 16:18 |
|
|Lupin| |
but actually I may fave found a solution |
| 16:19 |
|
|Lupin| |
just checking in the db whether it could work or not... |
| 16:21 |
|
|Lupin| |
yep ! |
| 16:22 |
|
|Lupin| |
cait: see the marc_subfield_structure table |
| 16:22 |
|
|Lupin| |
each subfield can be a URL |
| 16:22 |
|
|Lupin| |
and each subfield can have a plugin associated to it, it's the value_builder field in the db |
| 16:23 |
|
|Lupin| |
so the only thig to do is to assign to a field a plugin that will fill it with the URL of the page or the user that is just creating the record |
| 16:23 |
|
|Lupin| |
and say the field is a URL in the DB, and that shoudl work |
| 16:24 |
|
|Lupin| |
shouldn't it ? |
| 16:24 |
|
cait |
yes it should |
| 16:24 |
|
cait |
the plugin is a great idea |
| 16:24 |
|
cait |
and when its in a marc21 field you can display it in opac |
| 16:25 |
|
cait |
and one xslt for staff is available you can also display it there |
| 16:25 |
|
|Lupin| |
yeah the designers had a great idea when they designed it, I agree |
| 16:25 |
|
|Lupin| |
cait: wouldn-t that work without xslt ? |
| 16:26 |
|
|Lupin| |
cait: (I thought the url ould be displayed both in OPAC and staff...?) |
| 16:27 |
|
cait |
in MARC display |
| 16:27 |
|
cait |
probably not in normal view |
| 16:27 |
|
cait |
you cant configure outside of xslt what gets displayed in normal view |
| 16:29 |
|
|Lupin| |
ah |
| 16:30 |
|
|Lupin| |
well... |
| 16:30 |
|
|Lupin| |
perhaps not a problem |
| 16:30 |
|
|Lupin| |
and as you said |
| 16:30 |
|
|Lupin| |
it it's a problem then there is XSLT, thanks for having mentionned it, I was not aware of this possibility at the staff elvel |
| 16:31 |
|
cait |
its not there yet :( |
| 16:31 |
|
cait |
but its marked as sponsored in bugzilla |
| 16:31 |
|
cait |
perhaps just try it - but dont know whats in the template there yet |
| 16:34 |
|
|Lupin| |
cait: oh, not very important... those who really want to see i can look at te marc view |
| 16:36 |
|
cait |
ok |
| 16:38 |
|
|Lupin| |
cait: thanks a lot for having helped to find this solution ! |
| 16:38 |
|
|Lupin| |
cait: this quesiton was in me for some days already |
| 16:39 |
|
cait |
sometimes it helps just to speak someone |
| 16:44 |
|
|Lupin| |
cait: yeah ! if the person you are speaking to is great it helps even more :-) |
| 16:44 |
|
cait |
plugin was your idea! |
| 16:49 |
|
|Lupin| |
cait: never played with them, though |
| 16:50 |
|
cait |
I thought about adaption barcode plugin for generating inventory numbers |
| 16:51 |
|
cait |
but our library dont want it g |
| 16:51 |
|
|Lupin| |
why ? |
| 16:55 |
|
cait |
ok, perhaps dont need it and they use different inv# prefixes |
| 16:56 |
|
cait |
we talked about it and they said they wont need an automatic solution |
| 16:58 |
|
|Lupin| |
cait: is it true that librarians are sometimes reluctant regarding automation of tasks ? |
| 17:01 |
|
cait |
some of them may be |
| 17:01 |
|
cait |
but I dont think its general |
| 17:02 |
|
cait |
for this library its their first ILS, perhaps they will want it next year |
| 17:06 |
|
|Lupin| |
like they need some time o get used to and realize what automaion can do for them ? |
| 17:07 |
|
|Lupin| |
cait: in your opion, does it also depend on how old the librarians are ? e.g. the younger may be more used to computers, something like that ? |
| 17:10 |
|
cait |
perhaps |
| 17:11 |
|
cait |
but this is not librarian specific I think |
| 17:11 |
|
|Lupin| |
right |
| 17:11 |
|
cait |
I think younger people experiment more with programs |
| 17:12 |
|
|Lupin| |
yep, maybe |
| 17:12 |
|
|Lupin| |
our librarian is almost 60 |
| 17:12 |
|
|Lupin| |
and she is really reluctant to automate things |
| 17:12 |
|
|Lupin| |
like search and replace, she sometimes prefers to do them manually |
| 17:13 |
|
cait |
:) |
| 17:13 |
|
cait |
but I think there are always exceptions |
| 17:15 |
|
|Lupin| |
phone call |
| 17:26 |
|
|Lupin| |
hello pianohacker |
| 17:26 |
|
pianohacker |
Hello there, newly minted developer |
| 17:29 |
|
|Lupin| |
:) |
| 17:32 |
|
cait |
bye #koha, have a nice rest sunday! |
| 17:33 |
|
|Lupin| |
bye #koyha, too ! see you in three weeks if can't make t for the general IRC meeting ! |
| 20:35 |
|
richard |
hi |
| 20:44 |
|
chris |
hi richard |
| 20:45 |
|
richard |
hey chris |
| 20:45 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi chris, richard |
| 20:56 |
|
chris |
heya galen |
| 20:57 |
|
richard |
hi galen |
| 20:57 |
|
chris |
good weekend? |
| 20:58 |
|
richard |
spent a happy afternoon starting on a translation of joomla into maori |
| 20:58 |
|
chris |
awesome |
| 20:58 |
|
richard |
trying to get maori language commission and waikato uni interested |
| 20:58 |
|
chris |
the koha opac is now totally translated for koha |
| 20:58 |
|
chris |
if you get stuck, probably can get my dad interested, he did the opac |
| 20:59 |
|
richard |
way cool., the stuff i did was from a spreadsheet on the waikato uni site - translations for ms office, ms windows, moodle and google |
| 21:00 |
|
richard |
so i was mainly doing whole phrases and words |
| 21:00 |
|
chris |
*nod* |
| 21:37 |
|
chris |
hiya cait |
| 21:37 |
|
cait |
hiya chris |
| 21:51 |
|
chris |
hows the new car drive gmcharlt ? |
| 21:51 |
|
gmcharlt |
chris: pretty nice |
| 21:52 |
|
chris |
how long is the drive to atlanta? |
| 21:52 |
|
gmcharlt |
about 5 hours |
| 21:53 |
|
chris |
so you will drive up stay for the week, and drive back? |
| 21:53 |
|
gmcharlt |
no, flying up for my first trip |
| 21:53 |
|
gmcharlt |
will probably drive at least some of the subsequent trips |
| 21:54 |
|
chris |
sounds like a plan |
| 21:55 |
|
chris |
http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]ticle.pl?RC=14133 |
| 21:55 |
|
chris |
has Koha gotten a unicorn library before now? |
| 21:56 |
|
gmcharlt |
chris: several |
| 21:56 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 21:56 |
|
chris |
i knew we got lots of ex Horizon |
| 21:57 |
|
chris |
didnt know it was eating both sides of sirsi/dynix's sandwich at once |
| 21:57 |
|
gmcharlt |
multiple sides, if you also count Dynix Classic and DRA classic |
| 21:58 |
|
chris |
true |
| 21:58 |
|
chris |
rangitikei and opus were dynix classic |
| 22:06 |
|
cait |
there was a survey and many horizon/unicorn libraries considered evergreen or koha - free text entries where very interesting |
| 22:06 |
|
cait |
where = were |
| 22:06 |
|
cait |
should be in bed by now |
| 22:07 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 22:08 |
|
cait |
going to bed now - good night :) |
| 00:26 |
|
brendan |
good evening #koha |
| 03:20 |
|
brendan |
9 minutes and counting |
| 03:20 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 03:24 |
|
Amit |
hi brendan, chris |
| 03:24 |
|
Amit |
good morning #koha |
| 03:24 |
|
brendan |
heya Amit |
| 03:24 |
|
chris |
hi Amit |
| 03:24 |
|
brendan |
I hope all is well with you |
| 03:24 |
|
Amit |
yes |
| 03:24 |
|
Amit |
how is your weekend chris |
| 03:25 |
|
chris |
it was good, nice and relaxing |
| 03:26 |
|
Amit |
chris, brendan happy frndship day |
| 03:26 |
|
brendan |
same to you :) |
| 03:38 |
|
mason |
bonjour peoples |
| 03:38 |
|
mason |
hi amit, long time - no chat :) |
| 03:39 |
|
Amit |
hi mason good morning & and happy frndship day |
| 04:13 |
|
chris |
@gcalc 3000 INR as NZD |
| 04:13 |
|
munin |
chris: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. |
| 04:13 |
|
chris |
@gcalc 3000 INR in NZD |
| 04:13 |
|
munin |
chris: 3000 Indian rupees = 94.1715576 New Zealand dollars |
| 04:14 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 04:23 |
|
Amit |
@wunder New Delhi India |
| 04:23 |
|
munin |
Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 32.0°C (9:30 AM IST on August 03, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Falling). |
| 06:45 |
|
chris |
good morning europe |
| 07:20 |
|
paul_p |
hello world ! |
| 07:23 |
|
chris |
hello paul_p :) |
| 07:23 |
|
chris |
vacation finished |
| 07:24 |
|
paul_p |
hi chris. |
| 07:25 |
|
paul_p |
the 1st week is finished. But next week, i'll leave again, for 2 weeks (and I leave my home, so => true vacation ;-) ) |
| 07:26 |
|
chris |
ahhh cool :) |
| 07:30 |
|
kf |
good morning #koha |
| 07:32 |
|
paul_p |
interesting link (in french, but the inside links are in english) : http://www.08000linux.com/blog[…]les-performances/ it's about mySQL 5.4 performances |
| 07:34 |
|
Sab |
hi |
| 07:34 |
|
Sab |
i am facing a weired problem today |
| 07:35 |
|
Sab |
i hv created two kohas in my one system |
| 07:35 |
|
Sab |
i hv differentiate both of them by port numbers |
| 07:35 |
|
Sab |
say... one is in 192.168.1.2:80 & another one is in 192.168.1.2:81 |
| 07:35 |
|
Sab |
& i hv also created two databases 4 two of them |
| 07:36 |
|
Sab |
for first one... "koha1" database & for second one... means.. 81... "koha2" database |
| 07:36 |
|
Sab |
i hv also created two users for two database & as well as for trwo koha |
| 07:36 |
|
Sab |
but.. the problem is |
| 07:36 |
|
Sab |
i cannot log in as "koha2" now |
| 07:36 |
|
Sab |
but.. only i can log in there ( in both of them ) as "koha1" |
| 07:37 |
|
Sab |
can nyone help me? i really need it badly |
| 07:45 |
|
SelfishMan |
Do you have different config files too? |
| 07:45 |
|
SelfishMan |
You need to have more than different databases and different apache configs. Your koha config files must be diferent as well. |
| 07:47 |
|
Amit |
hi selfishman |
| 07:48 |
|
SelfishMan |
hi Amit |
| 08:24 |
|
Amit |
hi indradg_ |
| 10:02 |
|
indradg_ |
hi all |
| 10:38 |
|
chris |
hi indradg_ |
| 10:42 |
|
indradg_ |
chris, hi |
| 10:47 |
|
indradg_ |
chris, did you see the post on the koha m/l - offer of Koha installation @ US $ 75 + travelling expense from Vimal |
| 10:51 |
|
chris |
yep, very good deal :) |
| 10:53 |
|
indradg_ |
yep, commoditizing koha |
| 10:53 |
|
indradg_ |
:) |
| 11:25 |
|
sab |
hey there anyone can help me for one problem? |
| 11:27 |
|
gmcharlt |
sab: what's up? |
| 11:29 |
|
sab |
hey..wazzup? |
| 11:29 |
|
sab |
i am facing a weired problem now |
| 11:29 |
|
sab |
the thing is |
| 11:29 |
|
sab |
i hv been trying 2 establish 2 koha here in my one system |
| 11:29 |
|
sab |
one is koha1 & koha2 |
| 11:29 |
|
sab |
it worked fine whole day long |
| 11:29 |
|
sab |
those all were done in virtual host |
| 11:30 |
|
sab |
the thing is... suddenly |
| 11:30 |
|
sab |
when i go 2 restart the apache server |
| 11:30 |
|
sab |
it shows fails |
| 11:30 |
|
sab |
the error is something like this |
| 11:30 |
|
sab |
Restarting web server: apache2apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName failed! |
| 11:33 |
|
gmcharlt |
do you have ServerName directives in your virtual host sections? |
| 11:35 |
|
sab |
yep |
| 11:35 |
|
sab |
itz there |
| 11:36 |
|
sab |
tumi ekta chater bal |
| 11:51 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 11:55 |
|
Amit |
hi galen |
| 11:56 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi Amit - I should have a reworking of your patch for you to look at later (my) tonight |
| 11:56 |
|
Amit |
thanks galen\ |
| 11:56 |
|
Amit |
and happy frndship day |
| 11:58 |
|
gmcharlt |
to you as well |
