| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 13:46 |
|
magnusenger |
owen: cant see no newlogbot, can you? |
| 13:46 |
|
cau0730 |
morning all |
| 13:47 |
|
ricardo |
slef: Right, that's what I'm afraid of, thanks :( How do you do it? Do you have ONE machine / virtual machine for each Koha version installed? |
| 13:47 |
|
slef |
no, I have git trickery |
| 13:48 |
|
ricardo |
slef: Eheh, OK |
| 13:48 |
|
magnusenger |
owen: sorry, i can see it now... |
| 13:48 |
|
slef |
look at git clone man page and the options for using links instead of copies |
| 13:48 |
|
owen |
magnusenger: it just arrived |
| 13:48 |
|
cau0730 |
i still have my leader problem, but have decided that i have to get some actual work done so i have moved onto integration to our SIS(Student Information System) :) |
| 13:49 |
|
slef |
and then you put one git clone on one version, then checkout the other version in other other git clone |
| 13:49 |
|
slef |
then generally behave as for virtual hosting |
| 13:49 |
|
slef |
(the different databases on the same computer thing you linked) |
| 13:49 |
|
slef |
cau0730: if SIS speaks LDAP, you're almost there. |
| 13:49 |
|
ricardo |
slef: OK, thank you very much for the pointers/information! :) I consider myself just one step above "git newbie", but I'll try to check that out |
| 13:50 |
|
slef |
ricardo: learn by making mistakes! |
| 13:50 |
|
slef |
just be prepared ;- |
| 13:50 |
|
slef |
) |
| 13:50 |
|
cau0730 |
slef: it can but that is not the way we are going for students. they don't need to be in an ldap |
| 13:51 |
|
cau0730 |
the SIS can connect to the Koha DB |
| 13:51 |
|
cau0730 |
so when a student is created there then they are created an account in Koha |
| 13:51 |
|
slef |
cau0730: OK, but you'll have to track Koha Members/Borrowers development more closely if you don't connect through an API |
| 13:51 |
|
slef |
and I think LDAP is the main API at the moment |
| 13:52 |
|
cau0730 |
our librarians don't add borrowers. it is all done electronic |
| 13:52 |
|
slef |
it's open, it'll probably be fine, just be prepared when you upgrade |
| 13:53 |
|
cau0730 |
never upgrading. that is not my decision but the division of the board |
| 13:53 |
|
ricardo |
slef: I'm only finding three options regarding links in the man page for git-clone (--shared/-s, --no-hardlinks and --reference <repository>). Which one(s) should I be reading? |
| 13:54 |
|
slef |
ricardo: I think --shared |
| 13:54 |
|
ricardo |
slef: OK, thanks |
| 13:54 |
|
slef |
cau0730: that'll be fun when we do a security release :-/ |
| 13:54 |
|
cau0730 |
on 2.2? i thought it was no more |
| 13:55 |
|
slef |
oh yeah, 2.2 is probably no more |
| 13:55 |
|
ricardo |
slef: So, you mean the one that has this text on the man page: "NOTE: this is a possibly dangerous operation; do not use it unless you understand what it does." Right? ;-) |
| 13:55 |
|
slef |
we tried to get a 2.2.10 together, but no-one seemed willing to pay |
| 13:55 |
|
slef |
ricardo: learn by making mistakes! |
| 13:55 |
|
cau0730 |
lol i don't blame them :) 3 looks wayyyyyyy better |
| 13:55 |
|
slef |
ricardo: actually, I'd not seen that. Will go reread it. |
| 13:56 |
|
ricardo |
slef: OK |
| 13:56 |
|
cau0730 |
i wish i was here from the start... i would have had a lot of patches for you all |
| 13:57 |
|
slef |
ricardo: oh, yeah, never use --shared on a copy you're going to be developing in. I'm 99% sure it's fine for hosting multiple versions from, though. |
| 13:57 |
|
cau0730 |
now i am just playing catchup with a system that is inferior to 3 |
| 13:58 |
|
ricardo |
slef: OK, thanks for the information. I understand what you're saying by "learn by making mistakes", but I really can't do that for this setup. Thanks anyway |
| 13:58 |
|
slef |
ricardo: ok. The safe way is to unpack tar.gz files then, but it takes more space. |
| 13:58 |
|
slef |
also upgrades become more work |
| 13:59 |
|
ricardo |
slef: Space is NOT an issue :) But problems that arise because there are several Koha versions installed *is* an Issue. That's why I'm trying to figure out if there's a SAFE way to do that. |
| 14:00 |
|
slef |
yes, just make sure none of them are on the PERL5LIB path |
| 14:00 |
|
slef |
the other thing that may go wrong is if any of the versions require different third-party versions, but I don't think we have that problem within 3.x |
| 14:01 |
|
slef |
earlier versions will run on later versions of the CPAN things as far as I know |
| 14:01 |
|
slef |
earlier versions of Koha that is |
| 14:01 |
|
ricardo |
slef: Great. Thanks for the tip... I guess that I'll have to update the PERL5LIB environment variable before I run, say, "bulkmarcimport.pl" from one of the "Kohas" installed |
| 14:01 |
|
slef |
yes, each Koha will have its own PERL5LIB and KOHA_CONF |
| 14:02 |
|
ricardo |
slef: Right... Both in "Virtual Hosts" in Apache *and* for "command line tools", like "bulkmarcimport.pl"... Right? |
| 14:02 |
|
slef |
just install no koha-conf.xml to /etc and no C4 to /usr/*/share and you shouldn't get any embarassing version confusions |
| 14:02 |
|
slef |
yes, right |
| 14:02 |
|
|Lupin| |
hi ricardo |
| 14:02 |
|
slef |
the other thing is to make sure your zebra databases are kept apart |
| 14:02 |
|
ricardo |
slef: Cool, many thanks! :) There's a beer waiting for you, here in Portugal ;-) |
| 14:02 |
|
slef |
but I think they're generally easier to rebuild from the SQL if needed |
| 14:03 |
|
ricardo |
slef: Oh, I don't use Zebra |
| 14:03 |
|
ricardo |
|Lupin|: Hi Sébastien! :) (sp?) |
| 14:03 |
|
slef |
ricardo: careful. I may collect ;-) |
| 14:03 |
|
|Lupin| |
ricardo: sp ? |
| 14:03 |
|
ricardo |
slef: And I'll gladfully pay :) |
| 14:04 |
|
slef |
ricardo: can I get travel expenses? ;-) |
| 14:04 |
|
ricardo |
|Lupin|: "sp = spelling". Meaning: Did I spell Sébastien correctly? |
| 14:04 |
|
|Lupin| |
ricardo: sure ! |
| 14:04 |
|
ricardo |
slef: Do you mean to FLY over here? Hmm... I think that's a bit over my "beer budgeting", eheh |
| 14:05 |
|
ricardo |
|Lupin|: Cool :) |
| 14:05 |
|
cau0730 |
how about the "vodka" budget :) |
| 14:05 |
|
gmcharlt |
alcohol-powered airplane? |
| 14:06 |
|
slef |
ricardo: I was thinking train, but that's no cheaper ;-) |
| 14:06 |
|
ricardo |
gmcharlt: It's Galen. He's alive! ;-) |
| 14:06 |
|
ricardo |
slef: Right |
| 14:06 |
|
slef |
ricardo: shhhhh, or everyone will want one. |
| 14:09 |
|
slef |
ohhh, lovely - npogroups lets you resend an email from the archives |
| 14:10 |
|
ricardo |
gmcharlt: I still have to reply to your "transition or continuity" email (I'm having *very busy* weeks). But, my thoughts are, in brief: "Congratulations to you and Equinox / Evergreen (they are very lucky for being able to count you in). All the best for your new work/position. Very bad news for LibLime and Koha... " |
| 14:10 |
|
gmcharlt |
ricardo: thanks |
| 14:11 |
|
ricardo |
gmcharlt: You're welcome :) |
| 14:11 |
|
cau0730 |
i love the my *old* teamates. no unique identifiers for any thing lol they had no clue how to design a db |
| 14:13 |
|
ricardo |
cau0730: Right, it's much better to use *several* unique identifiers, eheh... (actually, I'm just "half joking" here - it's pretty usual to see a table that has some autonumber/sequence ID *and* some kind of unique "official" number like SSN - Social Security Number) |
| 14:13 |
|
cau0730 |
fore instance we have 3 dbs for students all with their own naming convention. all that we have to compare on is if we have a first name and a last name. so if we have two John doe's which one is the correct one |
| 14:14 |
|
atz |
cau0730: sounds like fun. i've had to do the same kind of thing before. usually some kind of field like birthday helps find matches |
| 14:14 |
|
cau0730 |
yeah i don't have that :) prior to my team they didn't think about tracking SSN or birthday |
| 14:15 |
|
gmcharlt |
cau0730: surely there's no need to track SSN? |
| 14:15 |
|
ricardo |
It's atz! The Americans are waking up at the same time. Hi Joe! :) |
| 14:15 |
|
cau0730 |
actually we weren't allowed to track lots at first do to problems of privacy... my boss has fought that with the gov't so he could hire a team to work on the SIS |
| 14:16 |
|
cau0730 |
btw: I am in SK, Canada. that is part of the problem. Originally from Ohio/PA though |
| 14:16 |
|
atz |
gmcharlt: actually in my experience there IS the need to track SSN, until you can map it to the state's *other* unique ID based on SSN.... |
| 14:16 |
|
atz |
held is some crazy inaccessible IBM database |
| 14:16 |
|
atz |
*in |
| 14:16 |
|
atz |
greets ricardo |
| 14:17 |
|
gmcharlt |
atz: well, since libraries have almost no call to run credit reports on their patrons, I'm dubious about them storing SSN + address + other identifying data |
| 14:17 |
|
ricardo |
gmcharlt: Actually, here in Portugal we have a National Identity Card for several decades (and each person has a number in that card). I think there's a great debate about introducing it (or not) in the UK and in the US, right? |
| 14:18 |
|
gmcharlt |
ricardo: tremendous debate |
| 14:18 |
|
ricardo |
gmcharlt: Right, that's what I thought |
| 14:18 |
|
gmcharlt |
among other problems, the US SSN in practice has not just been used as an identifier, but as an authentication mechanism |
| 14:18 |
|
cau0730 |
oh and here is the funny part... these librarians are mad that we can only do our best when getting this information. they think "it is almost 2010 and you mean you can't automate this"... problem is we can if we are given a chance but now they want to bring on a new application for HR so now they want us to "hook up to it" instead of them using a custom database |
| 14:18 |
|
gmcharlt |
making it all too easy to commit "identity theft" sorts of fraud |
| 14:19 |
|
ricardo |
gmcharlt: Yes, and that ("using it as an authentication mechanism") is plain dumb. The SSN is not "a secret" |
| 14:19 |
|
cau0730 |
i remember when i was in college the ssn is what they used for identification |
| 14:19 |
|
cau0730 |
of course that was 6 years ago |
| 14:19 |
|
ricardo |
gmcharlt: I'm NOT saying that you're defending its use as an authentication mechanism. I know you're not! :) |
| 14:20 |
|
gmcharlt |
ricardo: understood :) |
| 14:20 |
|
ricardo |
:) |
| 14:20 |
|
cau0730 |
it is a nice piece of material to track though when you write an application that will talk to other apps or that could |
| 14:22 |
|
ricardo |
cau0730: Right. The "devil is in the details"... "Integration" is great for many things, in theory, but difficult (or impossible) to implement, in practice, for many setups |
| 14:22 |
|
cau0730 |
that is why we are trying to customize all the software we use for our staff and students |
| 14:23 |
|
cau0730 |
but then you run into issues like i am in :) |
| 14:23 |
|
ricardo |
cau0730: Sure |
| 14:25 |
|
ricardo |
OK. Back to Koha... Any thoughts for the friendly "discussion" that Zeno and I are having in the Koha and now Koha-Devel mailing list? (see Zeno last message "Translation of SQL files") |
| 14:26 |
|
cau0730 |
:) |
| 14:27 |
|
gmcharlt |
ricardo: there should be more of a hierarchical structure to the frameworks |
| 14:27 |
|
gmcharlt |
standard MARC fields + local library fields + translation of labels |
| 14:28 |
|
ricardo |
gmcharlt: *nod* |
| 14:29 |
|
gmcharlt |
as far as mechanics of translation, it would be simple to extract the labels into a .po file to feed into Pootle |
| 14:30 |
|
ricardo |
Maybe standard MARC fields + translation of labels + local library overrides (to the translation of labels) + local library fields (that would have to be translated on a case-by-case basis, obviously, because they are, by definition "custom") |
| 14:31 |
|
cau0730 |
Pootle is a translator??? |
| 14:31 |
|
ricardo |
gmcharlt: Hmmm... Good. But that would bring me to another change suggestion (that has probably been suggested in the past, by others): Let "Makefile.PL" / "make test" / "make install" NOT install every language install (that *really* takes a long time to run, in my setups) |
| 14:31 |
|
ricardo |
cau0730: Pootle is more like a web interface to do translations |
| 14:32 |
|
ricardo |
cau0730: http://translate.sourceforge.n[…]/index?redirect=1 |
| 14:32 |
|
cau0730 |
ah |
| 14:33 |
|
gmcharlt |
ricardo: it doesn't do that by default, although it might in the tarballs |
| 14:33 |
|
gmcharlt |
cau0730: http://translate.koha.org/ is an example of a Pootle installation |
| 14:34 |
|
ricardo |
gmcharlt: Right. I'm talking about the tarballs. Obviosuly, *extracting* the tarball will extract every language file, but *installing* shouldn't install them, unless required by the user (IMHO, that is) |
| 14:34 |
|
gmcharlt |
ricardo: yeah, I can agree with that, but then have to make sure that Makefile.PL asks |
| 14:35 |
|
ricardo |
gmcharlt: Right! |
| 14:35 |
|
slef |
there have been some fun discussions about this |
| 14:35 |
|
slef |
ideas including just detecting the installing user $LANG and which locales are installed on the server have been mooted I think |
| 14:35 |
|
slef |
to see your $LANG, the command is "locale" |
| 14:36 |
|
slef |
to see which locales are installed, look in /etc/locale.gen (on debian anyway) |
| 14:36 |
|
gmcharlt |
slef: checking locale for default language selection is a good idea, though it should still ask |
| 14:36 |
|
gmcharlt |
to confirm |
| 14:36 |
|
ricardo |
slef: Yeah, I guessed as much ("fun discussions"). But I haven't found them :) At least, not in the mailing list(s), but I haven't found them... or do you mean, here on IRC? Or both? |
| 14:37 |
|
slef |
I think they were on koha-devel or koha-translate, but I don't even remember when |
| 14:37 |
|
ricardo |
slef: OK, no problem. Thanks for the tip |
| 14:38 |
|
ricardo |
I think what I'm trying to do is to avoid "DLL Hell..." Oops, sorry... I meant "SQL Hell" ;-) |
| 14:38 |
|
ricardo |
(BRB) |
| 14:39 |
|
slef |
newbies, visit about:mozilla in your firefox or similar browser |
| 14:43 |
|
|Lupin| |
slef: why ? |
| 14:43 |
|
slef |
|Lupin|: it's funny |
| 14:46 |
|
|Lupin| |
slef: is it textually funny or graphically funny ? |
| 14:46 |
|
|Lupin| |
hi owen |
| 14:46 |
|
slef |
textually funny... want me to msg it? |
| 14:47 |
|
|Lupin| |
slef: if you don't mind, that'd be cool yeah |
| 14:49 |
|
|Lupin| |
slef: thanks |
| 14:49 |
|
|Lupin| |
slef: hard to grasp for a non native english speaker IMO |
| 14:49 |
|
|Lupin| |
but my vocabulary is not very rich... |
| 14:50 |
|
atz |
yeah, it's archaic |
| 14:50 |
|
cau0730 |
i speak english fluently and my vocabulary isn't that rich lol |
| 14:51 |
|
slef |
cau0730: gizza bob? |
| 14:51 |
|
cau0730 |
huh? |
| 14:52 |
|
ricardo |
The Book of Mozilla |
| 14:53 |
|
ricardo |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Mozilla |
| 14:53 |
|
|Lupin| |
hi pianohacker |
| 14:54 |
|
cau0730 |
hi pianohacker |
| 14:54 |
|
Snow_Fox |
morning Piano |
| 14:55 |
|
nahuel |
gmcharlt, hi |
| 14:55 |
|
pianohacker |
Hello, all |
| 14:55 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi nahuel |
| 14:56 |
|
nahuel |
gmcharlt, just a question : did you planned to push my bug #3370's patch ? |
| 14:56 |
|
nahuel |
pianohacker, hey :) |
| 14:56 |
|
munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3370 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti biblibre.com, ASSIGNED, Add the support of a Get Method on biblio records |
| 14:56 |
|
gmcharlt |
nahuel: I can stick it on a branch, but I'd really like to see an example of what's motivating it |
| 14:57 |
|
pianohacker |
bbl, have to switch networks |
| 14:57 |
|
nahuel |
gmcharlt, ok, perhaps I can e-mail you about it and explain what "problems" we had, and how we decided to fix them |
| 14:58 |
|
gmcharlt |
ok, please do |
| 14:58 |
|
nahuel |
doing it :) |
| 14:58 |
|
|Lupin| |
I'm curious why fields sch as borrower_attribute_types are limited to 10 characters. |
| 14:58 |
|
|Lupin| |
would it be possible to make them a bit larger ? |
| 14:59 |
|
gmcharlt |
|Lupin|: they're meant to be short codes; full descriptoin would go inthe description field |
| 14:59 |
|
|Lupin| |
gmcharlt: yeah, I know... but still... |
| 14:59 |
|
gmcharlt |
10 is an arbitrary width, but is consistent with other codes |
| 15:00 |
|
|Lupin| |
gmcharlt: I'd like to be able to wirte something like disabilityproff_reception_day as the code, because to me it's like an identifier in a program... |
| 15:01 |
|
|Lupin| |
gmcharlt: yep I know that the branchcodes are 10, too. actually I'd make them bigger, too :-) |
| 15:01 |
|
atz |
meh, you have to stop somewhere |
| 15:01 |
|
gmcharlt |
there's also a DB reason behind it - since borrower_attribute_types.code is a PK, for joins it shouldn't be too long |
| 15:01 |
|
|Lupin| |
perhaps the real quesiton is: what's the point in limiting ? why not using text and let the user do what she wants ? |
| 15:02 |
|
atz |
see above |
| 15:02 |
|
Snow_Fox |
how hard is it to change the search templates for the Opac? |
| 15:02 |
|
atz |
Snow_Fox: "change" in what way? |
| 15:02 |
|
Snow_Fox |
well im looking at the public demo and our demo for the OPAC |
| 15:02 |
|
Snow_Fox |
i notice that the search categorys are fairly different |
| 15:03 |
|
Snow_Fox |
example public has the ability to search by copyright date |
| 15:03 |
|
Snow_Fox |
ours is one big mess of checkboxs of limiters |
| 15:03 |
|
cau0730 |
4 is acceptable for branchcodes... that gives you 26*26*26*26 = 456976 combinations with just ASCII A-Z |
| 15:03 |
|
gmcharlt |
Snow_Fox: it's not hard to change list of indexes |
| 15:03 |
|
|Lupin| |
gmcharlt, atz: ok... just too bad... :) |
| 15:04 |
|
gmcharlt |
cau0730: heh, but branchcodes are also case where librarians often want more descriptive codes, and 4 can be too short for that |
| 15:04 |
|
gmcharlt |
it's a balancing act |
| 15:05 |
|
cau0730 |
true... our librarians want them short but not everyone would want them short |
| 15:05 |
|
|Lupin| |
indeed... |
| 15:05 |
|
Snow_Fox |
hmm i notice that in a patrons checked out item on the check and on the details page it is set so that newnew boxes are autmatically checked if the renew is availiable is there a way to default that to off? |
| 15:05 |
|
|Lupin| |
just one other thing please |
| 15:06 |
|
|Lupin| |
how would you guys define en extended patron attribute intended to contain a date ? |
| 15:06 |
|
cau0730 |
lol i had to remove the renewal from ours... "privacy concerns" lol |
| 15:07 |
|
owen |
Snow_Fox: The renew box should automatically be checked if the item is overdue |
| 15:07 |
|
owen |
And yes, some folks object to it. And some folks like it. |
| 15:07 |
|
Snow_Fox |
i see |
| 15:07 |
|
Snow_Fox |
cau0730: privacy concerns? |
| 15:08 |
|
atz |
if you don't want to see your account... *don't log in* |
| 15:08 |
|
atz |
i don't get privacy concerns over that |
| 15:10 |
|
cau0730 |
problem is that they let kids circulate books |
| 15:10 |
|
owen |
Snow_Fox: There's an open bug suggesting that the table on the checkout screen be changed to match the table on the patron detail screen (moremember.pl) |
| 15:11 |
|
owen |
cau0730: Can you elaborate? That doesn't make the issue any more clear to me |
| 15:11 |
|
atz |
owen: kids run the circ desk |
| 15:11 |
|
cau0730 |
that is right |
| 15:11 |
|
atz |
so they have a much lower threshold of what "staff" or "operators" should be able to see |
| 15:12 |
|
cau0730 |
yep... i have had to go to great links to accomadate that |
| 15:12 |
|
Snow_Fox |
shouldnt you be able to control that using granular permissions on a specific login? |
| 15:12 |
|
owen |
if the kids are circulating books, aren't they already seeing what people are checking out? |
| 15:12 |
|
atz |
Snow_Fox: that wouldn't affect down to that level (yes) |
| 15:12 |
|
atz |
(yet*) |
| 15:13 |
|
cau0730 |
the thought is they shouldn't see any current issues |
| 15:13 |
|
atz |
cau0730: i would just have the patrons check themselves out using web selfcheck |
| 15:13 |
|
cau0730 |
only what they are currently issuing to the student |
| 15:13 |
|
owen |
We need a new preference to let people check books out to people but then erase their memory immediately afterwards. |
| 15:13 |
|
Snow_Fox |
well first we get a youtube of richard simons |
| 15:13 |
|
cau0730 |
web selfcheck? |
| 15:14 |
|
Snow_Fox |
ok and does anyone know how claims are handled in Koha? |
| 15:14 |
|
Snow_Fox |
like does a claim show up in a ptron record |
| 15:14 |
|
owen |
How are the items I'm checking out *today* any less private than the ones I checked out yesterday? |
| 15:14 |
|
atz |
cau0730: yeah... designed to allow you to login and do transactions... |
| 15:15 |
|
atz |
simple stuff |
| 15:15 |
|
cau0730 |
i don't know about web selfcheck |
| 15:17 |
|
Snow_Fox |
piano when did you step out |
| 15:17 |
|
cau0730 |
so web selfcheck is in 2.2? |
| 15:17 |
|
Snow_Fox |
i didnt notice you leave |
| 15:17 |
|
pianohacker |
pianoninja |
| 15:17 |
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Snow_Fox |
im gonna have to make a image of that someday |
| 15:18 |
|
Snow_Fox |
are you a grand piano or more of a smaller keyboard kind |
| 15:19 |
|
Snow_Fox |
eh good enough |
| 15:19 |
|
Snow_Fox |
http://evanlenz.net/blog/wp-co[…]/2008/01/logo.png |
| 15:19 |
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atz |
cau0730: not sure... 2.2 is ancient |
| 15:19 |
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cau0730 |
yeah i didn't think it was :) |
| 15:20 |
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cau0730 |
i would have found it |
| 15:20 |
|
atz |
look for -file "sco*" |
| 15:20 |
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cau0730 |
first thing i did when i started was install a new install of 2.2 and played around with it |
| 15:21 |
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cau0730 |
they would probably say it wasn't good any way..... the scrutinize and put down koha all the time |
| 15:21 |
|
|Lupin| |
see you later all, bye ! |
| 15:21 |
|
cau0730 |
of course that is due to the last programmer |
| 15:21 |
|
cau0730 |
later |
| 15:22 |
|
owen |
I don't see any sco stuff in 2.2 or dev_week |
| 15:23 |
|
owen |
I think the current stuff is based on sco stuff developed for NPL around the time of dev_week, but I could be wrong. If so, it didn't make it into an official repo |
| 15:23 |
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cau0730 |
it is okay :) i got what they want accomplished :) |
| 15:23 |
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cau0730 |
and they are happy about it |
| 15:24 |
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cau0730 |
well except for one librarian that can just shove it |
| 15:24 |
|
Snow_Fox |
Is there a record of claims that a patron has on the patron information page or would that be displayed in the reading history of the patron |
| 15:25 |
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cau0730 |
i have added a global return date if 3 doesn't have one i can submit patches |
| 15:26 |
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gmcharlt |
cau0730: a global due date? that exists in 3 |
| 15:41 |
|
slef |
hi nengard - why doesn't kohails monitor the planet feed? |
| 15:42 |
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nengard |
slef - no idea :) let me check and see if I included it |
| 15:42 |
|
nengard |
but doesn't that have duplicates? |
| 15:44 |
|
nengard |
slef how is the planet set up? does it pull all posts from koha blogs? or just posts about koha? I have set up the pipe to only pull koha tagged posts |
| 15:44 |
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nengard |
if it's just koha stuff i can pull it in and remove duplicates - no prob |
| 15:46 |
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slef |
it's mostly (all?) koha-specifc feeds people have asked |
| 15:46 |
|
slef |
sometimes it duplicates or resyncs, but usually that's if some server has a problem |
| 15:47 |
|
slef |
liblime developer blogs often goes uncontactable from here |
| 15:47 |
|
slef |
but you might want to hold off for a few days |
| 15:47 |
|
slef |
because I need to move that site between servers anyway |
| 15:47 |
|
slef |
just wondered if kohails couldn't see if for some reason |
| 15:51 |
|
Snow_Fox |
hey for the opacs does koha default the patrons username to his card number? |
| 15:54 |
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nengard |
slef I never added it - but I did do was add the koha wiki to the pipe - it wasn't on there before - it looks like that's the only one you had that I didn't |
| 15:54 |
|
atz |
Snow_Fox: either way, i believe |
| 15:54 |
|
Snow_Fox |
hey atz if the patron cant validate his username he can default to his card number |
| 15:54 |
|
Snow_Fox |
yes or no |
| 15:54 |
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nengard |
also I know that often the LL blogs have things that are not necessarily Koha related - I often write about general OSS - so I only put my Koha tagged post in the pipe |
| 15:55 |
|
atz |
er... wait... i misread. |
| 15:55 |
|
atz |
yeah, you can log in with either |
| 15:55 |
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slef |
nengard: my koha-tagged post didn't get onto kohails recently |
| 15:55 |
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nengard |
hmmm |
| 15:55 |
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nengard |
can you send me a link so i can check it out |
| 15:55 |
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atz |
but i'm not sure whether the patron addition screen defaults userid to anything at all |
| 15:55 |
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nengard |
i'm still trying to figure this thing out :) |
| 15:55 |
|
slef |
http://www.news.software.coop/[…]elling-books/721/ |
| 15:56 |
|
slef |
not partic koha-specific that one actually |
| 15:56 |
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owen |
atz and Snow_Fox: the patron add screen attempts to build a username based on the first letter of the first name plus the last name I believe |
| 15:56 |
|
Snow_Fox |
existing patrons seem to default that way |
| 15:56 |
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slef |
but more library-relevant than stuff that isn't koha-tagged ;-) |
| 15:56 |
|
Snow_Fox |
ok ill go with that :-P |
| 15:56 |
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nengard |
self is it if: http://www.news.software.coop/categories/koha/ |
| 15:56 |
|
nengard |
oops |
| 15:56 |
|
nengard |
you sent it already |
| 15:57 |
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nengard |
okay - I'll add this feed to the pipe - I think I missed it the first time through |
| 15:57 |
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nengard |
sory about that |
| 15:57 |
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slef |
ok - how can we see what's in the pipe? |
| 15:57 |
|
slef |
the biog on http://twitter.com/kohails is useless for contacting anyone for help |
| 15:58 |
|
slef |
also, could add "/ Free Software LMS" to it ;-) |
| 15:58 |
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nengard |
slef here is the pipe: http://pipes.yahoo.com/nengard/kohablogs |
| 15:58 |
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nengard |
now - do you have an RSS feed just for the Koha tag? What blog software are you using? |
| 15:58 |
|
nengard |
if it's wordpres I know how to generate that rss feed |
| 15:59 |
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slef |
http://www.news.software.coop/[…]ies/koha/feed/rdf I think |
| 16:00 |
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nengard |
k i'll try that |
| 16:00 |
|
nengard |
also do you want me to add that quote to the title? |
| 16:00 |
|
nengard |
or to the twitter name? |
| 16:00 |
|
nengard |
or both? |
| 16:00 |
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nengard |
i can't seem to get any of your rss feeds to load up ... might be my computer - or a feed issue? can you see your feeds? |
| 16:01 |
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slef |
I can see my feeds |
| 16:02 |
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nengard |
got it |
| 16:02 |
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slef |
that quote to the end of the bio - plenty of space still |
| 16:02 |
|
nengard |
must hae been a hiccup |
| 16:16 |
|
Snow_Fox |
nuts |
| 16:16 |
|
Snow_Fox |
anyone off the top of there head know where the syspref for the patron reading history for the circ client is |
| 16:17 |
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pianohacker |
intranetreadinghistory, I think |
| 16:19 |
|
Snow_Fox |
thanks piano |
| 16:19 |
|
pianohacker |
np |
| 16:47 |
|
Snow_Fox |
hey piano could you help me understand how koha displays claims? It doesnt seem very intuitive |
| 16:48 |
|
ricardo |
Got to go home. Take care everyone! :) |
| 16:48 |
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pianohacker |
bype |
| 16:48 |
|
pianohacker |
*bye |
| 16:48 |
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pianohacker |
Snow_Fox: Not too familiar with the acquisitions or serials modules, but I might be able to help |
| 16:49 |
|
Snow_Fox |
claims in regards to a patron claimed to have returned the book |
| 16:49 |
|
Snow_Fox |
or never checked it out |
| 16:49 |
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pianohacker |
I don't think Koha currently has a claimed returns system |
| 16:49 |
|
Snow_Fox |
really |
| 16:50 |
|
Snow_Fox |
well that kinda explaisn it |
| 16:50 |
|
pianohacker |
Yup :) |
| 16:50 |
|
owen |
Snow_Fox: How should it work? |
| 16:50 |
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pianohacker |
I think PTFS added something similar for one of their customers by adding a Claimed Returned lost value and the code to go along with it |
| 16:51 |
|
Snow_Fox |
well basically from what it was explained to me and im not a librarian yet :P is a patron comes in and explains that they returned the book x amount of days etc, we give them 3 forgives so to speak and count those 3 items as lost with no impact to the patron |
| 16:51 |
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pianohacker |
Should be public here in the next few months |
| 16:52 |
|
Snow_Fox |
granted if theya re found |
| 16:52 |
|
Snow_Fox |
that claim goes away |
| 16:52 |
|
Snow_Fox |
and doesnt count agianst them |
| 16:52 |
|
Snow_Fox |
but we still want a record of how many times a claim has been made |
| 16:53 |
|
Snow_Fox |
currently a roundabout has been figured out |
| 16:53 |
|
owen |
You give them 3 get-out-of-jail-frees and then after that they can't "claim returned" anymore? |
| 16:53 |
|
Snow_Fox |
correct |
| 16:53 |
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jdavidb |
Snow_Fox: the new code we've got working isn't *all* of that functionality, but it does take care of keeping the claimed item on the patron account until it's found. We don't have a counter on it, but that wouldn't be terribly hard to implelent. |
| 16:53 |
|
Snow_Fox |
at least i belive thats the way it was explained to me |
| 16:54 |
|
owen |
How would the system differentiate between a staff member finding the book on the shelf and checking it in and the patron bringing it back? |
| 16:54 |
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Snow_Fox |
jdavidb: if that counter is kept with the patron and the claimed items were not listed in there checkout history that would be spiffy |
| 16:54 |
|
Snow_Fox |
i think |
| 16:54 |
|
owen |
I'm assuming that in the latter case you'd want to charge them fines |
| 16:55 |
|
Snow_Fox |
im not sure how fines would work in that case |
| 16:55 |
|
Snow_Fox |
ill have to ask the head librarian |
| 16:55 |
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pianohacker |
I don't think Koha can distinguish between the two for lost books anyway |
| 16:55 |
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jdavidb |
owen: our code doesn't...in the case of staff finding, it gives an alert, and then you've got what you need to cancel the fine manually. It uses the "This item was lost" message, just like finding a lost item. |
| 16:55 |
|
Snow_Fox |
thats nifty |
| 16:56 |
|
Sharon |
Had anyone else noticed that Carts and Lists in the OPAC only show the 245 $a and not the subtitle? I'd missed that. |
| 16:56 |
|
owen |
pianohacker: I think what jdavidb says is what I was thinking of: a procedure for handling the two differently |
| 16:56 |
|
jdavidb |
On claims, it stops charging fines as of the day it was claimed...if later returned, it charges fines as if it was overdue by that long. |
| 16:56 |
|
Snow_Fox |
what about the item being listed as checked out under the patron information system |
| 16:56 |
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pianohacker |
Sharon: I hadn't noticed that. Does it show $n and $p ? |
| 16:56 |
|
Sharon |
Fines are evil - we have a few libraries who charge and they want a lot of improvements |
| 16:57 |
|
owen |
Sharon: display of subtitle has historically been a problematic issue, so I'm not surprised |
| 16:57 |
|
Sharon |
pianohacker No, only the $a |
| 16:57 |
|
jdavidb |
It does still show as checked out, Snow_Fox, but with a nice shiny "Claims Returned" message. |
| 16:57 |
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owen |
Sharon: most of your libraries do not charge fines? |
| 16:57 |
|
Snow_Fox |
spiffiness |
| 16:57 |
|
Snow_Fox |
ill take one module please :=D |
| 16:57 |
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Sharon |
Do the cart/lists involve xslt? |
| 16:57 |
|
pianohacker |
The current hack involves linking 245$b to the nonexistent table bibliosubtitle |
| 16:57 |
|
owen |
Sharon: No. |
| 16:57 |
|
Snow_Fox |
is there a way we can keep track of your development jdavid? |
| 16:58 |
|
Sharon |
Should I put up a bug for the cart/list issue? |
| 16:58 |
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jdavidb |
Snow_Fox: Watch the patches list; we're releasing a *bunch* of stuff for this customer right now. Either Colin Campbell of PTFS-Eurpoe, or I, will be the ones shipping 'em out. |
| 16:58 |
|
owen |
Sharon: Yes please |
| 16:58 |
|
Sharon |
jdavidb we are drooling over some of Colin's patches |
| 16:58 |
|
Snow_Fox |
cool beans i think you just made a head librarian very happy |
| 16:58 |
|
Sharon |
will do |
| 16:59 |
|
owen |
jdavidb: Do you and PTFS-Europe work closely together? |
| 16:59 |
|
jdavidb |
Colin threw the first big batch over the wall this weekend; we've gotten some really good feedback on them already. |
| 16:59 |
|
Snow_Fox |
so i guess the next logical question is how are patchs handled with liblime? |
| 16:59 |
|
Snow_Fox |
:-p |
| 16:59 |
|
owen |
Snow_Fox: If the patches get approved, they'll show up eventually during your regular updates |
| 16:59 |
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jdavidb |
owen: Not as close as one might think, but Colin has been doing a crapload of development stuff in this current go-round. |
| 16:59 |
|
Snow_Fox |
cool |
| 17:00 |
|
Snow_Fox |
thanks guys you all rock |
| 17:00 |
|
Snow_Fox |
food time |
| 17:00 |
|
Sharon |
Bug or enhancement? |
| 17:00 |
|
owen |
Sharon: bug |
| 17:00 |
|
Sharon |
k |
| 17:00 |
|
owen |
jdavidb: It's exciting to see the patches come in. It's *always* exciting to see patches come in! :) |
| 17:00 |
|
owen |
Almost as exciting as seeing patches get approved ;) |
| 17:03 |
|
jdavidb |
owen: indeed. A few of the ones we've sent have already made it to HEAD, including my bugfix for serials routing slips. And the feedback he gave on one was insightful...nay, brilliant. |
| 17:03 |
|
jdavidb |
owen: indeed. A few of the ones we've sent have already made it to HEAD, including my bugfix for serials routing slips. And the feedback he gave on one was insightful...nay, brilliant. o |
| 17:03 |
|
jdavidb |
I'm with you on that, owen. |
| 17:04 |
|
Sharon |
bug 3455 has now been completed |
| 17:04 |
|
munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3455 normal, P5, ---, jmfliblime.com, NEW, Full 245 needs to display in Cart and Lists |
| 17:04 |
|
Sharon |
Owen are you going to bring that up at the meeting next month? |
| 17:05 |
|
owen |
Since the KSF is far from being a reality, let alone having any money, I don't think it's much worth it. :( |
| 17:05 |
|
jdavidb |
Never know, owen; I could win the lottery or something. Setting up a KSF endowment would not be outside the realm of possibility. |
| 17:07 |
|
owen |
Let us know when you're independently wealthy! |
| 17:07 |
|
jdavidb |
:D |
| 17:07 |
|
jdavidb |
I'm doing better than I've ever done in my *life,* owen, but I'm not quite to that point yet. >:) |
| 17:13 |
|
jdavidb |
wb, nengard. |
| 17:16 |
|
Sharon |
Endowments are never out of the realm of possibility. I would think OS and Koha would be worthy of a bequeath. |
| 17:18 |
|
nengard |
i think we have a big jackpot here - might go buy a ticket :) |
| 17:18 |
|
nengard |
Sharon how do endowments work? |
| 17:19 |
|
Sharon |
rich people give money. but the foundation has to be established first. We're in the process of setting up one for the system so small libraries can receive big donations and keep the money out of their general fund. |
| 17:20 |
|
Sharon |
my library had a woman die and the sale of her land provided over $100,000 in unexpected funds |
| 17:20 |
|
nengard |
good idea with the way lib budgets are |
| 17:20 |
|
Sharon |
actually she wasn't a library patron, but an overall patron of the arts and she thought we were worthy |
| 17:20 |
|
Sharon |
planned giving is big business in urban libraries. You court people and make sure they have the library in their will. |
| 17:20 |
|
nengard |
off ttopic: i have a pup resting his head on my belly cause of the thunder |
| 17:21 |
|
Sharon |
nengard i'm so thankful my dog is immune to storms, we've had so many lately. |
| 17:21 |
|
nengard |
beau has zanax for storms!! |
| 17:21 |
|
nengard |
i try not to give it if i can help |
| 17:21 |
|
nengard |
like now |
| 17:24 |
|
Sharon |
what is wworld that vicki attended and twittered about? |
| 17:26 |
|
jdavidb |
100K is a nice little chunk of money. The Friends at my old hometown public had about a 50K endowment, that they used the income to send staff to Texas Library Association every year. Two people, sometimes three, got to go, who wouldn't have. |
| 17:27 |
|
nengard |
sharon - wilsworld in WI |
| 17:27 |
|
Sharon |
live off the interest...at KC (mo) PL, the library endowment was started by a 'bum' who lived in a little nasty apartment, but saved up $20,000 and gave it all to the library. |
| 17:27 |
|
Sharon |
thank you |
| 17:27 |
|
jdavidb |
Funding full-timers is a little more expensive... Need a half-mil or so, bare minimum, to provide for ups and downs in investments. |
| 17:28 |
|
Sharon |
Money is infinite, just need to get some of it filtered in Koha's direction |
| 17:29 |
|
gmcharlt |
Sharon: I don't think the Fed would like that ;) |
| 17:29 |
|
gmcharlt |
but agreed re sending money in the direction of Koha |
| 17:29 |
|
jdavidb |
Sponsoring development is not quite as sexy as an endowment, but with the quantity we're doing right now, it's still pretty darn cool. |
| 17:30 |
|
Sharon |
funding a foundation that supports Koha can be sexy |
| 17:30 |
|
Sharon |
it's just marketing |
| 17:31 |
|
Sharon |
I'd just delegate it |
| 17:32 |
|
jdavidb |
hee. |
| 17:32 |
|
Sharon |
it's definitely a good idea to pursue, as more libraries (and nations) adopt Koha |
| 17:34 |
|
Sharon |
mozilla's done it, so can we! |
| 17:35 |
|
cau0730 |
education saskatchewan was trying to deteremine if koha was a contender for its library system but decided to not give it a try cause of the problems here. all because of the last developer here lol |
| 17:38 |
|
jdavidb |
Sharon: I agree; a nonprofit foundation, even a minimally-funded one, would give some important stabilizing structure to Koha. I'm fond of the model used by the Apache SF--companies are not listed there; only people. |
| 17:39 |
|
Sharon |
it came up at kohacon, but maybe it's time for more serious consideration prior to the next kohacon |
| 17:42 |
|
Sharon |
ta people, have to go consult. |
| 18:12 |
|
sekjal |
rargh! my zebra index is unsearchable! |
| 18:12 |
|
pianohacker |
What error do you get? |
| 18:12 |
|
sekjal |
when I search, no results |
| 18:13 |
|
sekjal |
running rebuild_zebra.pl, no error |
| 18:13 |
|
pianohacker |
There should be a line in your Koha error log with something like ERROR 109 |
| 18:13 |
|
pianohacker |
The number is what'll give you a vague, usually unhelpful hint at what's going on |
| 18:14 |
|
sekjal |
nothing there since a missing favicon error at 10am |
| 18:14 |
|
pianohacker |
Hmm. A search should flood your error log |
| 18:15 |
|
sekjal |
I think this might be related to the authority searching problems I was having earlier |
| 18:16 |
|
sekjal |
for some reason, the record number could not be pulled out of the MARC, and thus threw an error of calling a function on a non-existant object |
| 18:17 |
|
sekjal |
I have a feeling that /var/lib/koha/zebradb/biblios/key should not be empty |
| 18:17 |
|
Snow_Fox |
oh hell :\ |
| 18:18 |
|
pianohacker |
sekjal: Does running rebuild_zebra.pl with the -v flag give you a warning about Local-number ? |
| 18:19 |
|
sekjal |
no, no warnings at all |
| 18:19 |
|
sekjal |
just logs |
| 18:19 |
|
pianohacker |
Hrm. |
| 18:20 |
|
sekjal |
I'm thinking perhaps reinstalling idzebra-2.0 |
| 18:31 |
|
sekjal |
that did not help |
| 18:31 |
|
sekjal |
::grumble:: |
| 18:34 |
|
sekjal |
I'm not too sure I'm keen on having an external indexing program. when it works, its great, but when it doesn't... |
| 18:34 |
|
pianohacker |
Heh |
| 18:34 |
|
sekjal |
maybe my knowledge just needs to increase |
| 18:35 |
|
pianohacker |
zebra doesn't help the process by having unhelpful documentation and strangely laid-out code |
| 18:35 |
|
pianohacker |
However, it's fast and powerful |
| 18:35 |
|
sekjal |
true |
| 18:35 |
|
pianohacker |
Much more so than 2.2 search |
| 18:35 |
|
sekjal |
if someone would give me $50,000, I'd be happy to try using a Native XML database as the backend |
| 18:36 |
|
sekjal |
put the data storage and indexing into the same program |
| 18:36 |
|
gmcharlt |
writing good search engines is *hard* - for all the warts, I'd rather have a good external engine |
| 18:36 |
|
pianohacker |
Could I give you $50,000 _not_ to introduce more XML usage into Koha? |
| 18:37 |
|
sekjal |
not an XML fan, pianohacker? I keep running into those whenever I start mentioning it |
| 18:38 |
|
pianohacker |
I think it's good for some situations; it just seems to keep getting crammed into usages where it's overly verbose and awkward |
| 18:38 |
|
pianohacker |
If you want an extreme example, take RDF |
| 18:38 |
|
Snow_Fox |
hehe |
| 18:40 |
|
sekjal |
I suppose I can see that |
| 18:40 |
|
sekjal |
other data formats can be much more compact, efficient and user-friendly |
| 18:41 |
|
jdavidb |
on the other hand, a native-XML database would make totally-arbitrary data schema possible. User-created and modified, with no intervention from programmer or vendor, if the interface was slick enough. |
| 18:42 |
|
sekjal |
that it would |
| 18:42 |
|
gmcharlt |
yay! let a thousand incomptable metadata formats rise! |
| 18:42 |
|
pianohacker |
As oppose to the merely several hundred we have now |
| 18:42 |
|
pianohacker |
*opposed |
| 18:42 |
|
jdavidb |
Part of the current consideration, many times, is "what format can <x> system hold"..this would take that out of the loop. |
| 18:43 |
|
gmcharlt |
yeah, I'm not disagreeing that ideally Koha should support any arbitrary XML metadata format |
| 18:44 |
|
jdavidb |
It'd take major heart surgery to get it there, though...might be quicker to build from the ground back up. *groan* |
| 18:44 |
|
Snow_Fox |
you could shove a stick of TNT into the middle |
| 18:44 |
|
Snow_Fox |
and kinda rebuild from peices |
| 18:44 |
|
pianohacker |
*cough* python ILS *cough* |
| 18:44 |
|
pianohacker |
:) |
| 18:45 |
|
sekjal |
my grandpa used to take nitro for his heart... sounds like the same principle |
| 18:45 |
|
sekjal |
only, you know, not |
| 18:45 |
|
jdavidb |
Snow_Fox, that'd almost be what it'd take. There would be some useful bits away from the MARC data--circulation, maybe some serials bits, screen interface things...but...The biblio table, and biblioitems, and anything that *touches* them, would need rework. |
| 18:46 |
|
gmcharlt |
sekjal: I imagine he was rather relieved to discover that the correspondance went only so far |
| 18:47 |
|
sekjal |
gmcharlt: indeed |
| 18:47 |
|
jdavidb |
Ideally, such a system could use a well-defined DTD, plus one other document to tell it how to *index*, and that'd be all it needed. That's a reach. |
| 18:48 |
|
pianohacker |
jdavidb: You'd also need XSLT or Perl/Python/whatever scripts to convert it to MARCXML/MODS/DublinCore/etc., if you want interoperability |
| 18:48 |
|
sekjal |
if it used XML Schema, it could store those in the same way as the data itself |
| 18:49 |
|
sekjal |
it could also store the XSLT |
| 18:49 |
|
pianohacker |
It could. It would impede version tracking of those files, though |
| 18:50 |
|
jdavidb |
pianohacker: yeah, crosswalk techniques would be useful to have, too. Then you could cobble up an OPAC in any sort of flavor you want, as well as import-export methods. |
| 18:50 |
|
jdavidb |
It would allow storage in mixed-formats, too, so you could keep the "original" imported record, and use the crosswalks to create consistent display and indexing. |
| 18:51 |
|
sekjal |
I think it could be set up to handle versions just fine |
| 18:52 |
|
sekjal |
just keep all versions as separate records, with additional metadata indicating their place in the version tree |
| 18:53 |
|
sekjal |
not as slick as Git, true, but it could work |
| 18:53 |
|
jdavidb |
sekjal: Something like Horizon's table editor? You can set up records, and display/maintenance forms that are stored in the database, not as code. Very flexible stuff. |
| 18:53 |
|
sekjal |
jdavidb: never used Horizon, but that sounds right |
| 18:53 |
|
jdavidb |
It's pretty snazzy. |
| 18:57 |
|
jdavidb |
The current passion seems to be dis-integrating the ILS...maybe I'm old-fashioned--or just old--but from a library staffer's perspective, it seems to me it'd be nicer to have One Repository To Go To. |
| 18:58 |
|
sekjal |
I tend to lean that way, myself |
| 18:59 |
|
sekjal |
now, unfortunately, I must lean over to my reference desk shift. |
| 18:59 |
|
sekjal |
cheers, all |
| 19:00 |
|
|Lupin| |
hi again |
| 19:02 |
|
owen |
Anyone know anything about this? http://openilsvt.pbworks.com/ |
| 19:03 |
|
owen |
"vokal has since grown to nearly 30 libraries, all of whom are contributing funds to the consortium to provide additional design and programming services to create a Vermont version of Koha." |
| 19:03 |
|
owen |
http://gmlc.wordpress.com/koha-project/ |
| 19:03 |
|
jdavidb |
Not one of ours; they may be going it alone. |
| 19:03 |
|
owen |
The phrase "a Vermont version of Koha" has got me a little worried. |
| 19:05 |
|
jdavidb |
Yah. Sounds like they're going after some (much-needed) work to make it more consortium-suitable...but will we ever see taht? |
| 19:05 |
|
owen |
A response to my comment on that second link said "As we leave our beta testing phase this Fall and feel confident in them, we’ll be sure to release the items we’ve coded." |
| 19:06 |
|
owen |
...but releasing doesn't necessarily mean incorporating them into the official version |
| 19:07 |
|
owen |
Lots of good work lost |
| 19:07 |
|
jdavidb |
what on earth happened? |
| 19:08 |
|
owen |
I can't remember the library now, but they did a ton of work extending Koha's functionality in the 2.x days |
| 19:09 |
|
|Lupin| |
and then ? |
| 19:09 |
|
owen |
Eventually they submitted it all in one giant chunk, but no one here had the time or Spanish skills to comb through it and figure out how to integrate it into the official version (which has since diverged) |
| 19:09 |
|
|Lupin| |
oh god |
| 19:10 |
|
owen |
I'll be chris would remember more details |
| 19:10 |
|
|Lupin| |
I guess they wanted to wait till their code was mature, that's why hey came up with one big ting ? |
| 19:10 |
|
owen |
I think the core of the problem was that they didn't really have their hearts in participating in the Koha community |
| 19:10 |
|
owen |
They just wanted something that worked for them. |
| 19:11 |
|
|Lupin| |
well |
| 19:11 |
|
jdavidb |
Ah...well, fair enough; it does make it tough on the community to try to integrate such code. Still kinda stinks, though. |
| 19:11 |
|
|Lupin| |
but even from a "selfish" point of view |
| 19:11 |
|
|Lupin| |
it sounds better to integrate as much as possible |
| 19:11 |
|
|Lupin| |
since it's a way of delegating maintainance... |
| 19:11 |
|
Snow_Fox |
i dunno |
| 19:11 |
|
Snow_Fox |
well |
| 19:12 |
|
owen |
They also eliminated any possibility of upgrading along with new "official" version of Koha |
| 19:12 |
|
|Lupin| |
yeah |
| 19:12 |
|
owen |
I would hate to see the same happen with the Vermont folks. |
| 19:12 |
|
|Lupin| |
that's why the choice does not make much sense tome |
| 19:12 |
|
owen |
At least most of us can speak Vermontish. |
| 19:13 |
|
|Lupin| |
:) |
| 19:13 |
|
|Lupin| |
here the project wI'm working for will produce a modified Koha |
| 19:13 |
|
|Lupin| |
but I'll definitely try to submit as amny things as possible |
| 19:13 |
|
wizzyrea |
vermont wouldn't be the only ones doing that kind of thing |
| 19:13 |
|
|Lupin| |
to keep the difference between the official one and ours as tiny as possible |
| 19:14 |
|
wizzyrea |
yes, this is a subject that I imagine will have lots of discussion very soon. |
| 19:14 |
|
wizzyrea |
on multiple fronts |
| 19:14 |
|
|Lupin| |
maybe people are reluctant to submitting patches because they feel it's more job, which I think is true in the short term... |
| 19:16 |
|
jdavidb |
It *is* more work. And it is more work to code it in a more-general way, so that you *can* submit it. But the long-term bennies, IMO are much greater. |
| 19:17 |
|
|Lupin| |
jdavidb: I certainly agree with that |
| 19:17 |
|
|Lupin| |
just that some people do not have this understanding, which is IMO too bad |
| 19:18 |
|
Snow_Fox |
anyone here that can help me with email notices? |
| 19:18 |
|
Snow_Fox |
i know i must seems like a needy step child |
| 19:18 |
|
|Lupin| |
Snow_Fox: what's the problem ? |
| 19:22 |
|
Snow_Fox |
wizzy got me lupin |
| 19:22 |
|
Snow_Fox |
thankyou |
| 19:22 |
|
jdavidb |
wizzyrea++ |
| 19:22 |
|
wizzyrea |
yay karma! |
| 19:22 |
|
Snow_Fox |
? |
| 19:22 |
|
wizzyrea |
o no, is munin going away? |
| 19:22 |
|
slef |
owen: you're talking about the argentine fork? |
| 19:23 |
|
wizzyrea |
i will cry, he's a good friend |
| 19:23 |
|
slef |
munin: are you leaving? |
| 19:23 |
|
munin |
slef: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 19:23 |
|
owen |
slef: Yes |
| 19:24 |
|
slef |
owen: yeah, early example of the usual problem with stuff that just gets thrown over the wall |
| 19:25 |
|
|Lupin| |
@wounder paris |
| 19:25 |
|
munin |
|Lupin|: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 19:25 |
|
|Lupin| |
what's RDA ? |
| 19:25 |
|
slef |
@wunder Wick St Lawrence ENGLAND |
| 19:25 |
|
munin |
slef: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 19:25 |
|
slef |
damn it I can't remember my location :) |
| 19:25 |
|
wizzyrea |
@wunder lawrence, ks |
| 19:26 |
|
munin |
wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 24.9°C (2:25 PM CDT on July 29, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011.4 hPa (Rising). |
| 19:26 |
|
slef |
@wunder Wick St Lawrence UNITED KINGDOM |
| 19:26 |
|
munin |
slef: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 19:26 |
|
slef |
@wunder Wick St Lawrence UK |
| 19:26 |
|
munin |
slef: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 19:26 |
|
slef |
@wunder |
| 19:26 |
|
munin |
slef: (wunder <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city. |
| 19:26 |
|
slef |
@wunder Wick St Lawrence SOMERSET |
| 19:26 |
|
munin |
slef: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 19:26 |
|
slef |
@wunder Wick St Lawrence, SOMERSET |
| 19:26 |
|
munin |
slef: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 19:26 |
|
slef |
there's something odd... just can't remember what, though |
| 19:26 |
|
jdavidb |
@wunder Bethesda, Maryland |
| 19:26 |
|
munin |
jdavidb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 27.9°C (3:26 PM EDT on July 29, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:27 |
|
jdavidb |
@wunder Bethesda, MD |
| 19:27 |
|
munin |
jdavidb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 27.9°C (3:27 PM EDT on July 29, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:27 |
|
slef |
@wunder Weston-super-Mare, SOMERSET |
| 19:27 |
|
munin |
slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 15.1°C (8:27 PM BST on July 29, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:27 |
|
slef |
that's it - have to put SOMERSET as the country :-/ |
| 19:27 |
|
slef |
yay for UDI |
| 19:27 |
|
jdavidb |
Hmp. Well. |
| 19:27 |
|
jdavidb |
@wunder Rockville, maryland |
| 19:28 |
|
munin |
jdavidb: The current temperature in Woodley Gardens, Rockville, Maryland is 27.6°C (3:25 PM EDT on July 29, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.70 in 1005.6 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:28 |
|
|Lupin| |
@wounder paris |
| 19:28 |
|
munin |
|Lupin|: downloading the Perl source |
| 19:28 |
|
slef |
|Lupin|: no o |
| 19:28 |
|
|Lupin| |
hmm ? |
| 19:28 |
|
|Lupin| |
@under paris |
| 19:28 |
|
munin |
|Lupin|: I suck |
| 19:28 |
|
|Lupin| |
grrrr |
| 19:28 |
|
|Lupin| |
@wunder paris |
| 19:28 |
|
munin |
|Lupin|: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 19:29 |
|
|Lupin| |
hmm |
| 19:29 |
|
wizzyrea |
@wunder Paris, France |
| 19:29 |
|
munin |
wizzyrea: The current temperature in Paris, France is 26.0°C (9:00 PM CEST on July 29, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising). |
| 19:29 |
|
|Lupin| |
:-) |
| 19:30 |
|
|Lupin| |
wizzyrea: already the good effects of you recently accumulated positive karma ? :) |
| 19:30 |
|
wizzyrea |
wahoo! |
| 19:30 |
|
rhcl |
How many munins are there? In the July 2009 issue of LinuxPro Magazine there is an article on Munin, the network monitor. |
| 19:30 |
|
Snow_Fox |
hey is the biblio.timestamp the timestamp when the book was checked out? |
| 19:30 |
|
jdavidb |
@karma wizzyrea |
| 19:30 |
|
munin |
jdavidb: Karma for "wizzyrea" has been increased 14 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 14. |
| 19:30 |
|
jdavidb |
@karma jdavidb |
| 19:30 |
|
munin |
jdavidb: jdavidb has neutral karma. |
| 19:31 |
|
wizzyrea |
jdavidb++ |
| 19:31 |
|
owen |
jdavidb is like Switzerland. |
| 19:31 |
|
wizzyrea |
not anymore |
| 19:31 |
|
wizzyrea |
:P |
| 19:31 |
|
jdavidb |
Thanks, wizzyrea! :D |
| 19:31 |
|
wizzyrea |
well it was bound to happen sometime ^.^ |
| 19:32 |
|
|Lupin| |
karma |Lupin| |
| 19:32 |
|
|Lupin| |
@karma |Lupin| |
| 19:32 |
|
munin |
|Lupin|: Karma for "|Lupin|" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. |
| 19:32 |
|
jdavidb |
@karma owen |
| 19:32 |
|
munin |
jdavidb: Karma for "owen" has been increased 31 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 30. |
| 19:32 |
|
|Lupin| |
hmm? |
| 19:32 |
|
|Lupin| |
is it possible to see who incremented it ? |
| 19:33 |
|
jdavidb |
Doesn't seem so, at least from the command interface. |
| 19:34 |
|
Snow_Fox |
hey is the biblio.timestamp the timestamp when the book was checked out or does it represent a different value |
| 19:34 |
|
|Lupin| |
Snow_Fox: dunno |
| 19:35 |
|
jdavidb |
issues.timestamp would be that; not sure about biblio.timestamp. |
| 19:35 |
|
Snow_Fox |
issues.timestamp ok |
| 19:35 |
|
|Lupin| |
owen: ah, hman mind... focuses on just one decrease and forgets the 30 ++ ! WE are all like that :) |
| 19:35 |
|
Snow_Fox |
i dont have that in the list |
| 19:35 |
|
Snow_Fox |
for the Item Check out Digest |
| 19:36 |
|
owen |
biblio.timestamp is probably just the last time it was modified |
| 19:36 |
|
|Lupin| |
there is biblio.creationdate for storing when the book has been created |
| 19:37 |
|
gmcharlt |
biblio.timestamp indeed records bib's last modification |
| 19:37 |
|
Snow_Fox |
so would that do the same thing as issue.timestamp |
| 19:37 |
|
Snow_Fox |
or could i sued issue.timestamp even though its not listed to the side |
| 19:38 |
|
|Lupin| |
since this morning (more than 12 hours ago) the mail server at the university here is down and today they coulnd't ifnd anybody to repair it. |
| 19:38 |
|
gmcharlt |
Snow_Fox: no, issues.issuesdate is what you're looking for |
| 19:39 |
|
Snow_Fox |
k but even though thats not listed with the items like bilbio.etc would it still work? |
| 20:09 |
|
pianohacker |
rhcl: Munin's just the local name; it runs supybot |
| 20:13 |
|
|Lupin| |
so even perl fans may run a bot written in Python... |
| 20:14 |
|
pianohacker |
Heh. Galen set it up, I think he uses both :) |
| 20:14 |
|
pianohacker |
Besides, it would be a reach to call some of us perl _fans_ |
| 20:14 |
|
Snow_Fox |
ok in regards to checkout notices etc, when apparently i dont have access to all the database values to include in the email is there a way to print the due date and other information in some sort of ugly work around |
| 20:16 |
|
owen |
Snow_Fox: it's not necessarily that you don't have access, but I think there are special steps for some of it |
| 20:17 |
|
Snow_Fox |
i can tell you |
| 20:17 |
|
Snow_Fox |
diddly |
| 20:18 |
|
owen |
It's "items.content" that you need to investigate |
| 20:19 |
|
Snow_Fox |
like in the database? |
| 20:19 |
|
Snow_Fox |
or the manual |
| 20:20 |
|
pianohacker |
Snow_Fox: It's a virtual field, generated by taking certain fields from each item and smushing them together with tabs and newlines |
| 20:20 |
|
pianohacker |
Ugly solution, but it gets the job done |
| 20:20 |
|
pianohacker |
Those "certain fields" can be changed, but only by whoever is setting up the cronjobs |
| 20:21 |
|
Snow_Fox |
ok so if i want my checkout notice to have a date and due date information |
| 20:21 |
|
Snow_Fox |
id have to bug liblime |
| 20:21 |
|
pianohacker |
Ayup |
| 20:21 |
|
Snow_Fox |
pianohacker would you please |
| 20:21 |
|
Snow_Fox |
pickaxe |
| 20:21 |
|
Snow_Fox |
:-P |
| 20:22 |
|
pianohacker |
<shoom> |
| 20:22 |
|
pianohacker |
<whuck> |
| 20:22 |
|
Snow_Fox |
i would think thats close to it |
| 20:22 |
|
Snow_Fox |
kinda a meathy sluck whomp sound |
| 20:23 |
|
pianohacker |
Yup |
| 20:23 |
|
pianohacker |
Interestingly, I'm not hungry anymore |
| 20:23 |
|
Snow_Fox |
good time to diet as any |
| 20:23 |
|
Snow_Fox |
welp time to email beverly i suppose |
| 20:25 |
|
pianohacker |
Snow_Fox: You're part of SEKLS, right? When are you going live? |
| 20:25 |
|
Snow_Fox |
i think oct |
| 20:25 |
|
pianohacker |
cool |
| 20:27 |
|
Snow_Fox |
i dunno anymore :s |
| 20:27 |
|
Snow_Fox |
i guess we will find out when we get there |
| 20:40 |
|
wizzyrea |
no, he's not in SEKLS |
| 20:40 |
|
wizzyrea |
Salina |
| 20:41 |
|
pianohacker |
ah. |
| 20:41 |
|
Snow_Fox |
honestly im not sure which hunk im with |
| 20:41 |
|
Snow_Fox |
were central kansas |
| 20:41 |
|
pianohacker |
CKLS? |
| 20:41 |
|
wizzyrea |
NCKLS, I think |
| 20:41 |
|
Snow_Fox |
guess is as good as mine at this stage :-P |
| 20:41 |
|
wizzyrea |
they're actually separate from any of the kansas consortia |
| 20:41 |
|
wizzyrea |
standalone |
| 20:42 |
|
Snow_Fox |
woo? |
| 20:42 |
|
wizzyrea |
just means you don't have system staff (like me) to hassle, you go direct to LL :P |
| 20:42 |
|
chris |
morning |
| 20:43 |
|
wizzyrea |
chris! Good morning! |
| 20:43 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi chris |
| 20:48 |
|
sekjal |
fixed my zebra issue. turns out, my intranet and opac directories were owned by root, instead of my koha user |
| 20:48 |
|
sekjal |
whoops |
| 20:48 |
|
sekjal |
I still can't get authorities to search, though |
| 20:48 |
|
chris |
ahhh that't do it |
| 20:48 |
|
pianohacker |
Good morning chris |
| 20:49 |
|
sekjal |
I need to be more rigourous about which account I use to work on what |
| 20:51 |
|
sekjal |
good day, chris. |
| 22:28 |
|
Snow_Fox |
hrm it got quiet |
| 22:46 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 00:11 |
|
pianohacker |
gmcharlt: around? |
| 00:14 |
|
Brooke |
dunno just logged on |
| 00:14 |
|
pianohacker |
Hi, Brooke |
| 00:15 |
|
Brooke |
what's up? |
| 00:15 |
|
pianohacker |
Not much. Coding, enjoying the seattle-esque drenching this part of colorado has gotten these past few days |
| 00:16 |
|
Brooke |
*nod* when it rains it po's |
| 00:16 |
|
Kyle |
Hello I was wondering if someone could help me |
| 00:17 |
|
pianohacker |
Kyle: Sure, what do you need? |
| 00:17 |
|
Kyle |
I am trying to set up Koha for my school I need to buy a label printer |
| 00:17 |
|
Kyle |
Well actually my question is if i need to |
| 00:18 |
|
Kyle |
can i use label sheets in a normal printer? |
| 00:18 |
|
pianohacker |
I _believe_ so, but your quality would depend on the printer |
| 00:18 |
|
pianohacker |
Koha doesn't do anything too special with its labels, just generates a PDF that you print |
| 00:18 |
|
Kyle |
oh cool that helps alot |
| 00:19 |
|
Kyle |
thank you |
| 00:19 |
|
pianohacker |
No problem |
| 00:19 |
|
pianohacker |
What school is this, out of curiosity? |
| 00:20 |
|
Kyle |
The River Academy in Wenatchee Washington |
| 00:21 |
|
pianohacker |
Ah |
| 00:21 |
|
Kyle |
ever heard of it |
| 00:21 |
|
Kyle |
haha i doubt i |
| 00:21 |
|
Kyle |
oops |
| 00:21 |
|
Kyle |
it |
| 00:22 |
|
pianohacker |
No, but I don't live in Washington. You'd think I did given how much rain we've gotten, but... |
| 00:22 |
|
Kyle |
haha just wondering where are you |
| 00:22 |
|
pianohacker |
Colorado, about an hour east of the mountains |
| 00:23 |
|
Kyle |
neat |
| 00:23 |
|
Kyle |
Sorry one more Koha question...total hardware is just barcode scanner printer |
| 00:24 |
|
Kyle |
? |
| 00:24 |
|
pianohacker |
Pretty much. |
| 00:24 |
|
Kyle |
thats great |
| 00:24 |
|
Kyle |
The school is having money problems so all expenses come out of my pocket |
| 00:25 |
|
pianohacker |
Ouch. If you don't need to integrate your label printer closely with Koha, you might be able to get a cheaper standalone one |
| 00:28 |
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Kyle |
okay thanks |
| 00:28 |
|
Kyle |
just wondering does koha make spine labels like the ones in a public library |
| 00:28 |
|
gmcharlt |
pianohacker: pong |
| 00:28 |
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pianohacker |
Kyle: yes |
| 00:29 |
|
Kyle |
im new to the whole irs chat thing how do you put the name next to it? |
| 00:29 |
|
pianohacker |
gmcharlt: Any immediate problems with Joe's highlighting patch? I was going to use the plugin for my prefs project, wondered if there were any glaring reasons it wouldn't be accepted |
| 00:30 |
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pianohacker |
I think that mibbit should fill in the name if you enter in, say, piano then hit the Tab key |
| 00:30 |
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gmcharlt |
no, it will be accepted, so feel free to count on the plugin |
| 00:30 |
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pianohacker |
k, thanks |
| 00:30 |
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Kyle |
pianohacker: oh thanks |
| 00:31 |
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pianohacker |
There you go. You don't have to do that on every line if it's just you and someone else chatting |
| 00:31 |
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pianohacker |
But it's helpful in a busy chatroom |
| 00:31 |
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Kyle |
i bet |
| 00:31 |
|
Kyle |
oh i g2g |
| 00:31 |
|
Kyle |
thank you for your help |
| 00:32 |
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pianohacker |
Not a problem |
| 00:32 |
|
pianohacker |
Feel free to ask more either here or on the mailing list |
| 00:32 |
|
gmcharlt |
yes, welcome Kyle |
| 00:50 |
|
Kyle |
pianohacker: Im back and I have a few more questions |
| 00:50 |
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pianohacker |
k |
| 00:51 |
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Kyle |
to enter in a book will there be tutorials in the program? |
| 00:52 |
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pianohacker |
Unfortunately, no. You will have to be familiar with MARC cataloging |
| 00:52 |
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Kyle |
okay |
| 00:53 |
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pianohacker |
There is an excellent manual I can point you to that will at least help you with Koha cataloging (MARC is another ball of wax, but you should be able to find tutorials for it also) |
| 00:53 |
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pianohacker |
http://koha.org/documentation/[…]al/3.0/cataloging |
| 00:55 |
|
Kyle |
oh thank you so much |
| 00:55 |
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pianohacker |
No problem |
| 00:55 |
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pianohacker |
Anything else I can help with? |
| 00:56 |
|
Kyle |
for dui decimal system (i have no clue on spelling that one)... |
| 00:56 |
|
Kyle |
will this be entered by koha automatically or will i need to look it up? |
| 00:58 |
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pianohacker |
You will have to look up and enter dewey decimal numbers yourself |
| 00:58 |
|
pianohacker |
However |
| 00:58 |
|
pianohacker |
You can find many records using Z39.50 searching, which is integrated with Koha |
| 00:58 |
|
pianohacker |
You won't have to enter the full details for every book |
| 00:59 |
|
Kyle |
okay thats all thank you very much you have been very helpful |
| 01:00 |
|
Kyle |
Actually one more question |
| 01:01 |
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pianohacker |
no prob. See ya |
| 01:01 |
|
pianohacker |
k |
| 01:01 |
|
Kyle |
If I were to start entering books on one computer after our it guy gets it installed on our server will i be able to transfer these ? |
| 01:05 |
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pianohacker |
Yes. You could either transfer over the entire database, or just export the records on your computer and import them on the server |
| 01:05 |
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pianohacker |
Bleh, internet weirdness. Did you get my last message? |
| 01:06 |
|
Kyle |
Yes i did |
| 01:06 |
|
Kyle |
thank you very much |
| 01:06 |
|
Kyle |
thats the most helpful yet |
| 01:11 |
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pianohacker |
np |
| 01:42 |
|
pianohacker |
Good night |
| 02:05 |
|
Jo |
Chris: you about? |
| 02:12 |
|
Jo |
Celle is doing the Tagalog translations, and is a bit concerned that her progress is not displaying. Her work isn't getting lost but she wonders if she is saving it correctly. |
| 03:14 |
|
Amit |
hi Koha good morning |
| 03:15 |
|
Amit |
hi chirs |
| 04:37 |
|
eb_inLibro |
Hey folks. Just passing by to say good night :) |
| 05:21 |
|
osslabs |
@wunder New Delhi, India |
| 05:24 |
|
munin |
osslabs: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 32.0°C (10:30 AM IST on July 30, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). |
| 05:49 |
|
greenmang0 |
indradg: good morning |
| 06:01 |
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|Lupin| |
hello |
| 06:07 |
|
Amit |
hi lupin |
| 06:09 |
|
|Lupin| |
hey Amit |
| 06:14 |
|
|Lupin| |
hello nicolas |
| 06:36 |
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|Lupin| |
Gutentag kf. Gut geschlafen ? Ausgeruht oder abgebrochen ? |
| 06:44 |
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kf |
Guten morgen lupin, sehr ausgeruht heute morgen, bin auch ein bisschen später zur Arbeit. |
| 06:50 |
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|Lupin| |
kf: gut ! |
| 06:55 |
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Amit |
hi kf |
| 06:55 |
|
kf |
hi Amit |
| 07:25 |
|
chris |
evening |
| 07:25 |
|
kf |
hi chris |
| 07:30 |
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|Lupin| |
hey chris |
| 07:31 |
|
chris |
hi |Lupin| and kf |
| 07:35 |
|
hdl_laptop |
hi chris |
| 07:35 |
|
osslabs |
hi hdl |
| 07:41 |
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|Lupin| |
hello hdl |
| 07:45 |
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kf |
hi hdl |
| 08:31 |
|
jransom |
hiya |
| 08:32 |
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|Lupin| |
hi jransom |
| 08:35 |
|
chris |
heya jo |
| 08:35 |
|
chris |
i figured out what celle is doing wrong |
| 08:35 |
|
chris |
she is doing suggestions |
| 08:36 |
|
chris |
so they need to be reviewed |
| 08:37 |
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jransom |
ah thanks for that. |
| 08:37 |
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chris |
she can review them, and in future can just submit straigh |
| 08:37 |
|
chris |
t |
| 08:37 |
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jransom |
is it clear what she needsto do differently |
| 08:38 |
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jransom |
ok - I'll let her know. |
| 08:38 |
|
jransom |
is she making good progress? |
| 08:40 |
|
jransom |
just sent you an email reminding you about runing a report for us |
| 08:42 |
|
chris |
i only see one suggestion so far |
| 08:42 |
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jransom |
so thats the tagalog translations. |
| 08:43 |
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jransom |
i thought she said she'd done 200+ words |
| 08:43 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: do you have a few minutes to discuss a design choice with me, please ? |
| 08:43 |
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chris |
i didnt look very hard jransom |
| 08:44 |
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jransom |
thats cool. |
| 08:45 |
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chris |
|Lupin|: sure do |
| 08:46 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: thanks a lot |
| 08:46 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: our users have what we call secured readers |
| 08:46 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: it's a device that lets them read a book |
| 08:47 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: so each device has a manufacturer, a model id, serial number, a public key that allows us to encrypt a book specifically for that device. |
| 08:47 |
|
chris |
right |
| 08:47 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: the way I plan to encode this in Koha is to use one extended patron attribute called reader |
| 08:47 |
|
chris |
k |
| 08:48 |
|
|Lupin| |
which is in fact a key refering to another table |
| 08:48 |
|
|Lupin| |
and this second table contains the actual definitions of each secured reader |
| 08:48 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: does this look reasonable to you ? |
| 08:49 |
|
chris |
yeah that sounds like a good idea |
| 08:50 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: the only problem is that extended attributes can't really be numbers |
| 08:50 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: so assume that, given a user one wants to retrieve all the devices she owns, I'm not sure a simple join will work... |
| 08:51 |
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chris |
hmmm |
| 08:51 |
|
chris |
could you just make them items in your catalogue |
| 08:51 |
|
chris |
and issue them to users |
| 08:52 |
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|Lupin| |
hmm ? |
| 08:52 |
|
chris |
ie catalogue them, with a special itemtype |
| 08:52 |
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|Lupin| |
what do you mean ? |
| 08:52 |
|
|Lupin| |
cataloue hardware devices asi if they were books ??? |
| 08:52 |
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chris |
well library catalogues arent just for books |
| 08:52 |
|
chris |
they are for cds, dvds, video, whatever |
| 08:52 |
|
chris |
this is just another format |
| 08:53 |
|
chris |
people have catalogued rooms in koha :-) |
| 08:53 |
|
chris |
its just a catalogue there is no golden rule to say it can only catalogue books |
| 08:53 |
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|Lupin| |
no it's not a format ! |
| 08:54 |
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|Lupin| |
well I mean a hardware divice and a book are totally different things with different attributes... |
| 08:54 |
|
chris |
exactly |
| 08:54 |
|
chris |
and there is nothign that says koha is just for books |
| 08:54 |
|
chris |
you can catalogue anything with it |
| 08:54 |
|
kf |
we have libraries lending out keys |
| 08:55 |
|
kf |
:) |
| 08:55 |
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|Lupin| |
so where in Marc would you guys store something like a public key ? |
| 08:56 |
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|Lupin| |
and if koha can catalogue anything... why not cataloguing the borrowers themseelves ? |
| 08:58 |
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chris |
cos then you cant issue items to them :) |
| 08:58 |
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chris |
|Lupin|: in marc21 one of the 9xx local use fields |
| 08:58 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: ok |
| 08:58 |
|
chris |
as i say, people have catalogued meeting rooms in it |
| 08:59 |
|
chris |
then issued them to people :) |
| 08:59 |
|
chris |
it all depends on what you want to do with it, cataloguing them is just a different approach |
| 08:59 |
|
jransom |
i've logged into Celle's pootle account. |
| 09:00 |
|
chris |
with which used? |
| 09:00 |
|
chris |
user even |
| 09:00 |
|
chris |
cos i think she has made 2.. that might be the problem |
| 09:00 |
|
jransom |
user = Celle |
| 09:00 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: ok... will have to think about it... |
| 09:01 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 09:01 |
|
chris |
so if you click on the edit link jo |
| 09:01 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: thanks for the advice! It looks very counter-intuitive to me but well... :) |
| 09:02 |
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chris |
|Lupin|: as i say it depends on what you want to do with them, if you want to circulate them like you would a book, ie assign them to a user, then why not catalogue them like a book :) |
| 09:03 |
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jransom |
ok - so i have one that she made a suggestion for..items added to your cart. |
| 09:03 |
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chris |
jransom: right |
| 09:03 |
|
chris |
see how there is a submit and a suggest button |
| 09:03 |
|
chris |
if she clicks suggest, it goes in like that, and needs someone to click the tick |
| 09:04 |
|
chris |
if she clicks submit, it goes straight in |
| 09:04 |
|
chris |
jransom: do you have the sql for that report? |
| 09:05 |
|
jransom |
no. i see the suggest button |
| 09:05 |
|
jransom |
http://translate.koha.org/tl/o[…]prog-v-3000000.po |
| 09:05 |
|
chris |
you dont see the submit button? |
| 09:06 |
|
chris |
should have back, skip fuzzy |
| 09:06 |
|
chris |
copy, suggest |
| 09:06 |
|
chris |
and submit |
| 09:08 |
|
chris |
ahhh |
| 09:09 |
|
chris |
she had made one called celle |
| 09:09 |
|
chris |
earlier |
| 09:09 |
|
chris |
i gave that the rigths |
| 09:09 |
|
chris |
the user Celle didnt have submit |
| 09:15 |
|
jransom |
sorry about that |
| 09:15 |
|
jransom |
wretched son is using all the bandwidth i think. |
| 09:15 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 09:15 |
|
chris |
right the problem is |
| 09:15 |
|
chris |
she made a user celle |
| 09:15 |
|
chris |
i gave that the rights |
| 09:15 |
|
chris |
she made one called Celle |
| 09:16 |
|
chris |
that one didnt have submit rights |
| 09:16 |
|
chris |
they both do now |
| 09:16 |
|
jransom |
there you go! |
| 09:16 |
|
jransom |
ok. now, couple of questions. |
| 09:17 |
|
jransom |
she is struggling to find direct translations... for instance we have the word adult |
| 09:17 |
|
jransom |
but they have 4 words for adult |
| 09:17 |
|
jransom |
and ssometimes needs 4 words to describe a single english word. |
| 09:17 |
|
jransom |
and sometimes no equivalent. |
| 09:18 |
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chris |
yep |
| 09:18 |
|
jransom |
but i guess that is the case withmany languages.. |
| 09:18 |
|
chris |
pretty much all |
| 09:18 |
|
jransom |
like Mana doesn't translate with 1 word into english |
| 09:18 |
|
chris |
exactly |
| 09:18 |
|
chris |
it doesnt have to be one word tho |
| 09:19 |
|
jransom |
ok. so best match of a phrase (for want of a better word) whendoing the translation |
| 09:19 |
|
jransom |
now, when the bit to be translated is somethig like : # days in advance |
| 09:19 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 09:19 |
|
jransom |
the translation has to still have the # and then the tagalog phrase right |
| 09:19 |
|
chris |
thats right |
| 09:20 |
|
chris |
if its %s |
| 09:20 |
|
chris |
leave the %s |
| 09:20 |
|
jransom |
ok .. she hasn'tincluded those so i will chat with her about those. |
| 09:20 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 09:20 |
|
jransom |
alrightthats great. |
| 09:20 |
|
chris |
cool, and if you have the sql for that report that would be great |
| 09:20 |
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jransom |
i pasted the sql into the catalyst ticket system. |
| 09:20 |
|
jransom |
can you access it |
| 09:20 |
|
chris |
sweet |
| 09:20 |
|
chris |
yeah |
| 09:21 |
|
chris |
i cant brain today i have the dumb |
| 09:21 |
|
chris |
looking now |
| 09:21 |
|
jransom |
what kind of grammar is that |
| 09:22 |
|
kf |
chris, time for another question? |
| 09:22 |
|
kf |
we talked about which platform to use for German documentation yesterday and I m unsure whats best |
| 09:23 |
|
chris |
jransom: http://www.zazzle.com/i_cant_b[…]35398681114584156 |
| 09:23 |
|
chris |
kf: ahh right |
| 09:23 |
|
kf |
It seems context/online help comes from the wiki, is this still true? is it possible to add other languages there? I know its in the .po-files also, but promised to ask about it |
| 09:24 |
|
chris |
no, doesnt come from the wiki anymore |
| 09:24 |
|
chris |
its just in the .tmpl files (and hence in the .po) |
| 09:24 |
|
kf |
ok |
| 09:24 |
|
jransom |
Chris: thats great. My favourite tee is: "Slavery got shit done" |
| 09:24 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 09:25 |
|
kf |
problem is: documentation will not only be a translation, but we will want to extend it to explain things differently or for a different workflow |
| 09:25 |
|
chris |
jransom: http://www.cafepress.com.au/Katipo.4062330 |
| 09:26 |
|
kf |
same is for user documentation, is it possible to translate nicoles manual in plone? |
| 09:26 |
|
chris |
kf: yes |
| 09:26 |
|
chris |
jransom: translates to "No, I wont diagnose your network problems" |
| 09:27 |
|
jransom |
lol -love it |
| 09:27 |
|
chris |
kf: the help files it might be better to just translate the .tmpl files themselves po doesnt really work for them |
| 09:28 |
|
kf |
so after creating templates from po ovewrite those files with our own? |
| 09:28 |
|
chris |
*nod* |
| 09:28 |
|
kf |
ok |
| 09:28 |
|
chris |
and maybe put the files up at contrib.koha.org |
| 09:29 |
|
kf |
still not sure if it does make sense for us to translate plone manual :( |
| 09:29 |
|
chris |
http://contribs.koha.org/ |
| 09:29 |
|
chris |
there are sections for templates there |
| 09:29 |
|
kf |
ok |
| 09:30 |
|
|Lupin| |
kf: if it's plone related shouldn't it be in plone itself ? |
| 09:30 |
|
kf |
lupin: sorry, I meant the manual for koha which is inside of plone now |
| 09:30 |
|
|Lupin| |
kf: ah ok |
| 09:31 |
|
|Lupin| |
kf: this is intended to be read by staff client only or also by patrons ? |
| 09:31 |
|
kf |
my problem is, that the documentation for our users wont be a one to one translation of this manuel, perhaps different other more chapters, so I m a bit unhappy with calling it translation |
| 09:32 |
|
kf |
not for patrons, only for staff, one thing is the online-help within koha, the other part is a manual with sreenshots and step by step guides |
| 09:33 |
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|Lupin| |
kf: the other part is outside of koha because specific to your settings ? |
| 09:35 |
|
kf |
lupin: online help is great, when you know where to go, but there is no directory or search function |
| 09:35 |
|
chris |
hmm |
| 09:35 |
|
chris |
search function |
| 09:35 |
|
chris |
i could do that pretty fast |
| 09:35 |
|
kf |
lupin: so its good if you forget about details, but I think for training you need a manual |
| 09:36 |
|
kf |
and I think you need more screenshots |
| 09:36 |
|
kf |
are there screenshots in online help now? *wonders* |
| 09:37 |
|
kf |
and online help is only for one template, do explain a whole workflow a manual or step by step guide is better |
| 09:39 |
|
kf |
chris++ |
| 09:40 |
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|Lupin| |
kf: well but if all that can interest the community, you may put it on Koha's website, in the contrib section or whereever... |
| 09:41 |
|
kf |
yes, I plan to do that, but I didn't write any documentation yet |
| 09:41 |
|
kf |
we just discussed how to do it and I promised to ask some questions :) |
| 09:42 |
|
|Lupin| |
kf: ok :) |
| 09:43 |
|
chris |
kf: so on the help page it has |
| 09:44 |
|
chris |
add help, close window, edit help |
| 09:44 |
|
|Lupin| |
chris: assuming hardware devices are catalogued, I'm wondering it hte fact that one given book has to be encrypted for one platform can be represented... |
| 09:44 |
|
kf |
yeah, never noticed it before |
| 09:44 |
|
chris |
were you thinking a little search box on there |
| 09:44 |
|
kf |
yes |
| 09:44 |
|
chris |
righto |
| 09:44 |
|
kf |
where does the text go, I add there? |
| 09:45 |
|
kf |
just tried for start page of koha, but got an error message: Cannot write file: '/usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/de-DE/modules/help/.tmpl' |
| 09:45 |
|
chris |
yeah, try for any of the other pages |
| 09:46 |
|
chris |
and the webserver will need to have write permission to the help dir |
| 09:46 |
|
|Lupin| |
:) |
| 09:46 |
|
kf |
Cannot write file: '/usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/de-DE/modules/help/cataloguing/addbooks.tmpl' |
| 09:46 |
|
kf |
permission problem? |
| 09:46 |
|
kf |
ah ok g |
| 09:47 |
|
kf |
thats great - why did I never see that? |
| 09:47 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 09:48 |
|
kf |
and the editor is nice |
| 09:48 |
|
chris |
kapiti district libraries asked for that feature |
| 09:48 |
|
chris |
got added in hmm 2006/2007 |
| 09:48 |
|
kf |
so it has always been there |
| 09:48 |
|
|Lupin| |
:) |
| 09:48 |
|
chris |
well the last 2 years or so yeah |
| 09:48 |
|
chris |
not always :) |
| 09:49 |
|
kf |
you should really update the wiki to tell people online help cant be edited there ;) |
| 09:49 |
|
chris |
there was 7 years it wasnt there :) |
| 09:49 |
|
kf |
always in my personal koha timeline :) |
| 09:49 |
|
chris |
kf: can you do that please? |
| 09:49 |
|
kf |
just checking if there is an option for adding pictures too |
| 09:49 |
|
chris |
you can add html |
| 09:49 |
|
kf |
ok, is there a link I can add? |
| 09:49 |
|
chris |
so yeah, if you put an image somewhere |
| 09:50 |
|
chris |
you could do an <img src etc |
| 09:50 |
|
kf |
thats fine |
| 09:50 |
|
|Lupin| |
hmm bt you'll need to be able to upload the image somehow |
| 09:51 |
|
kf |
yes, it would be nicer to do that inside of koha |
| 09:51 |
|
|Lupin| |
meaning not everybody will be able to add images...probably not a problem for you kf |
| 09:51 |
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kf |
no, I think we can figure out something, upload with ftp or something |
| 09:51 |
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chris |
yep |
| 09:52 |
|
chris |
or webdav |
| 09:52 |
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chris |
or scp |
| 09:52 |
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kf |
many possibilities :) |
| 09:54 |
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|Lupin| |
indeed |
| 09:55 |
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kf |
But I think the a search feature or index would be great additions |
| 09:55 |
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chris |
index is easy |
| 09:55 |
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chris |
that just needs someone to make it |
| 09:55 |
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chris |
ie thats a manual thing |
| 09:55 |
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chris |
search needs something to reindex the help pages every so often |
| 09:57 |
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kf |
write an index and then add a link to all help pages? |
| 09:57 |
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chris |
yep |
| 09:58 |
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kf |
ok |
| 10:02 |
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kf |
yeah, dreaming about that too :) |
| 10:03 |
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chris |
invite me to speak, and i might be able to get work to pay for it :-) |
| 10:05 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: by "invite" you mean pay fo you to come, or just say that we would be happy to welcome you ? |
| 10:06 |
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kf |
inviting him for doing a presentation or keynote I think |
| 10:06 |
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chris |
*nod* |
| 10:07 |
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|Lupin| |
my organisation is unfortunately too small and too new to organise something |
| 10:10 |
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chris |
you both missed the first kohacon (in france) |
| 10:10 |
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chris |
but there will be another one in europe im sure |
| 10:12 |
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jransom |
Thanks for the report Chris |
| 10:12 |
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chris |
np |
| 10:12 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: yeah but I'll probably not be as involved with Koha as know when this happens |
| 10:13 |
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chris |
you'll just have to keep on sending patches :-) |
| 10:13 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: paiyed to work on Koha till end of november, after that, finished. |
| 10:13 |
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|Lupin| |
chris: not sure how much time I will have to do so inmy new life... |
| 10:13 |
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chris |
we'll get you hooked |
| 10:14 |
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chris |
its 10.15pm .. no one is paying me at the moment :-) its addictive |
| 10:14 |
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kf |
:) |
| 10:14 |
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|Lupin| |
:) |
| 10:14 |
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jransom |
goodnight Chris, Lupin, Kf |
| 10:15 |
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|Lupin| |
see you jransom |
| 10:15 |
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kf |
wrote my todolist for today while watching torchwood yesterday |
| 10:15 |
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kf |
good night jransom |
| 10:17 |
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kf |
lunch time bbl |
| 10:17 |
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|Lupin| |
guten Apetit kf ! |
| 10:35 |
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martinmorris |
hello all, i'm having a difficulty with barcode printing and wondered if there was any advice out there |
| 10:37 |
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Amit |
hi martinorris |
| 11:20 |
|
sarbartha |
I am trying to install Koha on fedora 10 64 bit. When I run "perl ./Makefile.PL" it gave me some warning : |
| 11:20 |
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sarbartha |
Warning: prerequisite GD 2.39 not found. Warning: prerequisite HTTP::OAI 3.2 not found. Warning: prerequisite JSON 2.07 not found. Warning: prerequisite Net::Z3950::ZOOM 1.16 not found. Warning: prerequisite PDF::Reuse::Barcode 0.05 not found. Warning: prerequisite Text::Iconv 1.7 not found. Warning: prerequisite XML::SAX::Writer 0.44 not found. |
| 11:20 |
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sarbartha |
How to install those things? |
| 11:30 |
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sarbartha |
ok I have solved it. |
| 11:35 |
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sarbartha |
I can't install Net::Z3950::ZOOM this module of CPAN even after useing force. |
| 11:42 |
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gmcharlt |
sarbartha: do you have the requisite YAZ libraries installed? |
| 11:43 |
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|Lupin| |
hello gmcharlt ! |
| 11:43 |
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gmcharlt |
hi |Lupin| |
| 11:46 |
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kf |
hi gmcharlt |
| 11:48 |
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sarbartha |
gmcharlt: It was installed. And i have solved the problem by restarting the terminal. Thanks. |
| 11:48 |
|
gmcharlt |
cool |
