| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 12:06 |
|
kf |
perhaps its just because names with initials are not common in Germany, normaly just the first name is used |
| 12:08 |
|
jwagner |
OK, thanks. I'll ask again later to catch other time zones, but it sounds like I'm safe so far. |
| 13:18 |
|
CGI574s |
hello |
| 13:18 |
|
CGI574s |
how are you guys? im bill, from accounting |
| 13:19 |
|
CGI574s |
fuck |
| 13:21 |
|
bill |
i found you |
| 13:39 |
|
jwagner |
gmcharlt, online? |
| 13:39 |
|
gmcharlt |
jwagner: hi |
| 13:40 |
|
jwagner |
Hi there. Question for you -- in the various patches you've been asking people (including me) to update to XHTML. I don't know anything about this syntax. Is there a useful source? What needs to be done if you're modifying an existing template file? |
| 13:41 |
|
gmcharlt |
jwagner: the syntax itself is easily googled. As far as testing for XHTML validity, I recommend the HTML Validator add-on for FireFox |
| 13:41 |
|
gmcharlt |
which changes the FF view source command to also run a check of the validity |
| 13:41 |
|
gmcharlt |
in the specific case of the MARC21 fixed field plugins |
| 13:42 |
|
gmcharlt |
my recent patches to the leader plugin give a model to follow |
| 13:42 |
|
gmcharlt |
there are some specific things |
| 13:42 |
|
gmcharlt |
1. where a template has something like <option value="foo" SELECTED>, valid XHTML is <option value="foo" selected="selected" /> |
| 13:43 |
|
gmcharlt |
the selected="selected" bit is just the XML representation of a tag's attribute |
| 13:43 |
|
gmcharlt |
to step back a bit |
| 13:43 |
|
gmcharlt |
the key thing to keep in mind about XHTML |
| 13:43 |
|
gmcharlt |
is that it's basically HTML that's also supposed to be valid XML |
| 13:44 |
|
gmcharlt |
which has following consequences |
| 13:44 |
|
gmcharlt |
- there's an XML schema for XHTML that's used for validation |
| 13:44 |
|
gmcharlt |
- all elements (tags) need to be closed - for things like <br>, that means that they should be <br /> |
| 13:45 |
|
gmcharlt |
or like <input name="foo" id="foo" type="text" /> |
| 13:45 |
|
gmcharlt |
etc. |
| 13:45 |
|
gmcharlt |
dealing with initial set of warnings returned by HTML validator |
| 13:45 |
|
gmcharlt |
can be a little intimidating at first |
| 13:45 |
|
jwagner |
OK, I've installed the plugin & will read up on it. The closing syntax is <br /> instead of the old HTML </br>? |
| 13:45 |
|
gmcharlt |
but it's usually not that big of a deal |
| 13:46 |
|
gmcharlt |
jwagner: right, for those elements that don't normally have end tags - you still do <p>text</p> for example |
| 13:47 |
|
gmcharlt |
the main bit that can get tedious is if it discoveres that you have an extra (or missing) <div> or </div> |
| 13:48 |
|
jwagner |
OK. As a standard practice, any time we're updating template files do you want us to check for this stuff? |
| 13:48 |
|
gmcharlt |
yes |
| 13:49 |
|
gmcharlt |
all output in staff and OPAC should be valid XHTML |
| 13:51 |
|
jwagner |
Sigh. So much for a quick minor screen change patch :-( I'll see what I can figure out, thanks. |
| 13:51 |
|
jwagner |
I saved your leader patch because I saw the XHTML refs, but haven't looked at it closely yet. |
| 13:51 |
|
gmcharlt |
the practice will do you good :) |
| 13:52 |
|
jwagner |
Harrumph. |
| 13:52 |
|
Elwell |
oh, and lowercase too |
| 13:52 |
|
gmcharlt |
although seriously, if a page currently has a bunch of XHTML validation errors |
| 13:52 |
|
gmcharlt |
it is acceptable to punt and just patch the immediate issue |
| 13:52 |
|
jwagner |
To make sure I got the right plugin -- I loaded HTML Validator, but it seems to be referring to Tidy and SGML. Doesn't specifically mention XHTML that I can see. |
| 13:52 |
|
gmcharlt |
as long as you don't add to the number of reported issues |
| 13:53 |
|
gmcharlt |
jwagner: that's the right plugin - you want it to turn on SGML validation |
| 13:53 |
|
gmcharlt |
(long boring history of XML and how it developed from SGCML skipped over for now) |
| 13:53 |
|
jwagner |
OK, that's the one I picked (I think). Now I just load a page & turn on the plugin? |
| 13:53 |
|
gmcharlt |
yeah, turn on the plugin |
| 13:53 |
|
gmcharlt |
and right click and view source |
| 13:54 |
|
jwagner |
Will do, thanks. |
| 14:44 |
|
OTH |
hello |
| 15:02 |
|
hdl_laptop |
hi OTH |
| 15:03 |
|
hdl_laptop |
atz not around. |
| 15:04 |
|
gmcharlt |
just not on channel |
| 15:04 |
|
gmcharlt |
looking for him? |
| 15:05 |
|
hdl_laptop |
I wanted to know what he would do with granularpermissions |
| 15:07 |
|
JavierFM |
hdl_laptop: de donde eres?? |
| 15:07 |
|
JavierFM |
hdl_laptop: hello how are you?? |
| 15:08 |
|
JavierFM |
quill: helllo |
| 15:08 |
|
JavierFM |
hdl_laptop: what?? |
| 15:08 |
|
hdl_laptop |
hi from France |
| 15:08 |
|
JavierFM |
hdl_laptop: heyyy man I talk spanish |
| 15:08 |
|
gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: he's starting off adding granular permissions for cat and acq |
| 15:09 |
|
hdl_laptop |
ok thx. |
| 15:10 |
|
hdl_laptop |
I saw that granular permissions was quite thought to be the default. |
| 15:10 |
|
JavierFM |
nice to meet you |
| 15:10 |
|
JavierFM |
i am Cuban |
| 15:15 |
|
JavierFM |
hdl_laptop: hey what do you do |
| 15:20 |
|
JavierFM |
atz: hello |
| 15:20 |
|
atz |
hello |
| 15:20 |
|
JavierFM |
!voice |
| 15:20 |
|
JavierFM |
!op |
| 15:20 |
|
JavierFM |
!k nicomo |
| 15:20 |
|
JavierFM |
atz: how are you |
| 15:21 |
|
JavierFM |
atz: un gusto verte por aki |
| 15:21 |
|
atz |
JavierFM: i'm pretty good... lots of work to do |
| 15:24 |
|
JavierFM |
atz: where are you? |
| 15:24 |
|
atz |
Columbus, OH |
| 15:24 |
|
atz |
(usa) |
| 15:27 |
|
JavierFM |
okis |
| 15:28 |
|
JavierFM |
i am from Cuban |
| 15:29 |
|
JavierFM |
La Habana City |
| 15:29 |
|
atz |
cool |
| 15:29 |
|
JavierFM |
atz: how many time did you are here in this chat!!!? |
| 15:29 |
|
JavierFM |
atz: how you will see i am not so good in the english jajajaja!! |
| 15:30 |
|
atz |
I am usually here on weekdays |
| 15:30 |
|
atz |
monday - friday |
| 15:40 |
|
wizzyrea_away |
quick search question: what field does the OPAC advanced search -> notes/comments search? |
| 15:41 |
|
hdl_laptop |
wizzyrea: see note in record.abs |
| 15:45 |
|
wizzyrea |
just to make sure I'm reading this right: |
| 15:46 |
|
wizzyrea |
melm 505 Note:w,Note:p |
| 15:46 |
|
wizzyrea |
this means that marc field 505 is where it's looking for notes/comments? |
| 15:47 |
|
gmcharlt |
it's at least one of them |
| 15:47 |
|
gmcharlt |
there can be multiple melm's feeding to same index |
| 15:48 |
|
gmcharlt |
though it looks like 505 is the only one at moment |
| 15:48 |
|
gmcharlt |
somebody sent a patch to include item-level notes (925$z), but that one hasn't necessarily made it to you yet |
| 15:55 |
|
wizzyrea |
AH |
| 15:56 |
|
wizzyrea |
well we'll look forward to the itemlevel notes |
| 15:56 |
|
wizzyrea |
I think you just saved yourself a support ticket lol |
| 15:56 |
|
wizzyrea |
;) |
| 15:56 |
|
OTH |
atz: heyy man the internet here is short band |
| 15:57 |
|
atz |
OTH: where is that? |
| 15:57 |
|
OTH |
cuba |
| 15:57 |
|
atz |
cool |
| 15:58 |
|
OTH |
atz: brother i study infomatica |
| 15:58 |
|
OTH |
atz: what hve that of cool?? |
| 15:59 |
|
atz |
it's cool that packet radio is still in use... i don't know anybody using it here |
| 16:00 |
|
OTH |
atz: you speak spanich, man?? |
| 16:00 |
|
atz |
no hablo (not much anyway) |
| 16:03 |
|
OTH |
atz: jejeje ok |
| 16:03 |
|
OTH |
:) |
| 16:03 |
|
OTH |
atz: what do you do |
| 16:04 |
|
OTH |
brendan: my love you remember me |
| 16:04 |
|
OTH |
? |
| 16:04 |
|
atz |
OTH: I work for LibLime on koha code |
| 16:04 |
|
OTH |
i am JavierFM |
| 16:04 |
|
OTH |
atz: good |
| 16:04 |
|
OTH |
atz: how old are you |
| 16:05 |
|
atz |
31 |
| 16:05 |
|
OTH |
ok i am 17 |
| 16:05 |
|
OTH |
how many time you have chating here?? |
| 16:06 |
|
atz |
i'm here daily |
| 16:06 |
|
OTH |
atz: what is the meaninig of your nick |
| 16:07 |
|
atz |
it is part of my name |
| 16:07 |
|
OTH |
what is your name complete |
| 16:08 |
|
atz |
joe atzberger |
| 16:08 |
|
OTH |
atzberger??? in what languague are that |
| 16:08 |
|
OTH |
? |
| 16:08 |
|
atz |
german |
| 16:09 |
|
OTH |
the my is OTH |
| 16:09 |
|
OTH |
OneTreeHill |
| 16:09 |
|
OTH |
hey you are descendent of hitlre??? jejje |
| 16:09 |
|
wizzyrea |
are you a descendant of castro? |
| 16:10 |
|
atz |
pretty sure no... my dad's ancestors left germany about 1850 |
| 16:10 |
|
OTH |
wizzyrea: no my love noooooo I am Javier Fernandez Machin , is just for you know |
| 16:11 |
|
OTH |
atz: baffff is a relieve |
| 16:12 |
|
wizzyrea |
technically, hitler was austrian ^.^ |
| 16:14 |
|
OTH |
wizzyrea: sure?? |
| 16:14 |
|
OTH |
wizzyrea: ok if you say it |
| 16:14 |
|
wizzyrea |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_hitler |
| 16:15 |
|
OTH |
ok i go |
| 16:15 |
|
OTH |
wizzyrea: my love nice to meet you |
| 16:15 |
|
OTH |
atz: friend say something |
| 16:16 |
|
OTH |
somebody know commands of irc |
| 16:16 |
|
OTH |
? |
| 16:17 |
|
atz |
try /help ? |
| 16:18 |
|
OTH |
atz: heyyyy i am net admin ok |
| 16:18 |
|
OTH |
in my country i am the operator in the central channel |
| 16:27 |
|
OTH |
hey people are you there??? |
| 16:28 |
|
OTH |
quill_: hello man |
| 16:36 |
|
gmcharlt |
general question to all |
| 16:36 |
|
gmcharlt |
I'm working on the patron messaging preference system |
| 16:36 |
|
gmcharlt |
and since the code the set the preferences is duplicated between OPAC and staff |
| 16:37 |
|
gmcharlt |
(and will be duplicated again in staff so that default preferences can be set per patron category) |
| 16:37 |
|
gmcharlt |
I'm planning to create a class to generate and process that form |
| 16:37 |
|
gmcharlt |
any thoughts about the best namespace for it? |
| 16:39 |
|
OTH |
kreo ke me voy a ir de aki |
| 16:42 |
|
OTH |
pianohacker: hello man i am JavierFM you rememberme |
| 16:42 |
|
OTH |
? |
| 16:42 |
|
pianohacker |
Hello |
| 16:43 |
|
pianohacker |
¿Como está? |
| 16:43 |
|
pianohacker |
Bleh, forgot an accent |
| 16:43 |
|
pianohacker |
Anyway |
| 16:44 |
|
OTH |
pianohacker: jejeje un gusto verte de nuevo mi amigo |
| 16:44 |
|
OTH |
komo estas |
| 16:44 |
|
OTH |
? |
| 16:45 |
|
pianohacker |
Bien |
| 16:46 |
|
OTH |
pianohacker: me alegro |
| 16:48 |
|
gmcharlt |
wizzyrea: I imagine you and others at NEKLS will want to add yourselfs to the CC list of bug 3222 |
| 16:48 |
|
wizzyrea |
gmcharlt: looking |
| 16:49 |
|
wizzyrea |
yes, THANKS :D |
| 16:49 |
|
gmcharlt |
note that the deadline in the bug is an estimate of when it will hit the public tree |
| 16:49 |
|
gmcharlt |
you'll be testing it before then |
| 16:49 |
|
OTH |
byebye |
| 16:50 |
|
wizzyrea |
of course... super, they'll be so happy. This enhancement in bugzilla thing works well I think |
| 17:02 |
|
wizzyrea |
bummer, I was going to thank hdl for his help |
| 17:02 |
|
wizzyrea |
just made our cataloger so happy :) |
| 17:08 |
|
pianohacker |
Hmm, looking at part four of bug 3222 |
| 17:09 |
|
pianohacker |
gmcharlt: What would the real-life scenario for that be? |
| 17:09 |
|
gmcharlt |
making sure that if an item is transferred to fill a hold (and thus getting checked in several times along the may) |
| 17:10 |
|
gmcharlt |
the patron gets the notification only once, when the item is actually at the pickup library |
| 17:10 |
|
_eric_b |
gmcharlt, Does the new system has a setting like "Prefered language". |
| 17:11 |
|
gmcharlt |
_eric_b: for patron messages? no, it doesn't at present |
| 17:11 |
|
_eric_b |
This would allow the user to define in which language he wants to receive its messages. |
| 17:13 |
|
pianohacker |
gmcharlt: Ah, okay. That makes sense |
| 17:14 |
|
_eric_b |
pianohacker, of course ;) |
| 17:15 |
|
_eric_b |
I'm living in a bilingual world, so I have to keep an eye on this kind of details! Vive le Quebec! :) |
| 17:17 |
|
pianohacker |
Heh. Sounds much like Little Havana in Miami |
| 17:17 |
|
wizzyrea |
NEKLS spec'd that one, sorry we didn't think in terms of bilingual >.< |
| 17:17 |
|
wizzyrea |
or multi-lingual |
| 17:18 |
|
gmcharlt |
wizzyrea: one of the advantages of the sponsorship model is you don't necessarily have to sponsor what you don't use yourself ;) |
| 17:18 |
|
gmcharlt |
of course, if something would *preclude* doing something like what _eric_b needs |
| 17:19 |
|
wizzyrea |
gmcharlt: I honestly do make an effort to make sure that when we do enhancements, we think about it in a way that benefits all users of koha |
| 17:19 |
|
gmcharlt |
Dan and I would ever-so-gently guide you away, or let you know of a potential pitfall for other Koha users |
| 17:19 |
|
wizzyrea |
:) I'm sure you would |
| 17:19 |
|
wizzyrea |
your way is better anyway, usually |
| 17:20 |
|
wizzyrea |
(er, I'm sure you have, rather) |
| 17:20 |
|
gmcharlt |
wizzyrea: it is great that you are making an effort to think about the larger issues |
| 17:21 |
|
gmcharlt |
and obviously, I can't catch anything |
| 17:21 |
|
gmcharlt |
e.g., I'll try to make sure that something won't break UNIMARC support, for example |
| 17:21 |
|
gmcharlt |
but actually coding for UNIMARC users I would leave to the UNIMARC experts |
| 17:21 |
|
_eric_b |
btw, we are also using MARC over here. |
| 17:22 |
|
wizzyrea |
if you heard some of the ways they wanted to do things here... oi. You'd laugh. |
| 17:23 |
|
wizzyrea |
our meetings are very entertaining sometimes |
| 17:23 |
|
wizzyrea |
"but why can't it put a man on mars?" |
| 17:23 |
|
wizzyrea |
well... |
| 17:25 |
|
gmcharlt |
give me a trillion dollars, and anything is possible ;) |
| 17:25 |
|
gmcharlt |
can't reach Mars, but I wonder if the ISS has a library that needs a catalog? |
| 17:26 |
|
gmcharlt |
pianohacker: getting Koha in use on all 7 continents doesn't seem quite ambitious enough :) |
| 17:26 |
|
pianohacker |
Hehe |
| 17:26 |
|
jwagner |
New topic for folks: I asked earlier for people in early (relative to me) timezones, repeating for later logins -- question about patron registration. Do any sites (esp non-US sites) use the initials field in the patron record for other than middle initials, like Q in John Q. Public? I'm contemplating a minor screen change/relabelling, and don't know whether to keep it local or send to community. |
| 17:42 |
|
pianohacker |
jwagner: When I imported our borrower data, I set it to the full initials of the person (like JMF or GMC) |
| 17:43 |
|
pianohacker |
But it looks like our circ staff has not been doing that |
| 17:43 |
|
pianohacker |
So a muddy "Yes, we do use it for something different" |
| 18:06 |
|
jwagner |
Sorry, was off on another screen. I have a request to move the middle initial up a line in the patron edit screen (to follow first name) and to show it on the patron results list and display page. Would this be a problem? I can make it obey a syspref. |
| 18:07 |
|
wizzyrea |
Here's what I think: instead of relabeling, you ought to be able to choose exactly what you see on your add patron screen in the sysprefs |
| 18:08 |
|
pianohacker |
Hrm |
| 18:08 |
|
pianohacker |
May I vote for CSS instead? |
| 18:08 |
|
pianohacker |
Not quite as user-friendly, but even with my new editor the sysprefs screen is already a morass |
| 18:09 |
|
wizzyrea |
It would probably be more like the circ rules pages |
| 18:09 |
|
pianohacker |
Yup |
| 18:09 |
|
wizzyrea |
it's own thing |
| 18:09 |
|
jwagner |
Yes, I could do the label via jquery. Wanted to check about displaying the initials, if that would be a problem for anyone. |
| 18:09 |
|
pianohacker |
jwagner: Probably not, but you might want to send a message to koha-devel |
| 18:09 |
|
wizzyrea |
I think we hid that field entirely |
| 18:12 |
|
jwagner |
OK, thanks. It ties in with some other development, so I'll noodle it around some more. |
| 18:15 |
|
wizzyrea |
I still really want the ability to select exactly what fields show (and in what order!) on the add patron screen. ^.^ |
| 18:15 |
|
pianohacker |
Hrm |
| 18:15 |
|
wizzyrea |
kind of like Wordpress's widget interface, but not necessarily ajax |
| 18:16 |
|
pianohacker |
I have an idea that might fix the first problem, though not the second |
| 18:16 |
|
wizzyrea |
well the 1st is probably much more important |
| 18:17 |
|
wizzyrea |
the order can be dealt with |
| 18:17 |
|
pianohacker |
So, if we give each field or line a unique id (which they might already have, in fact), they can be hidden by CSS |
| 18:17 |
|
wizzyrea |
yea, that is true |
| 18:17 |
|
wizzyrea |
hm, I see where you're going with this I think |
| 18:18 |
|
pianohacker |
If we have an administration screen for "Customize interface" that could create a table with rules for each branch, screen and interface item |
| 18:18 |
|
pianohacker |
(or even patron categories or itemtypes) |
| 18:18 |
|
pianohacker |
Then the only remaining part would be something that took those rules and generated CSS automatically for each page |
| 18:18 |
|
pianohacker |
Does that make sense? |
| 18:20 |
|
jwagner |
wizzyrea, I want the same thing (decide which fields, what order) for the bib record display! |
| 18:21 |
|
wizzyrea |
pianohacker: yea, exactly! |
| 18:21 |
|
wizzyrea |
jwagner: I wrestle with the same thing every day lol |
| 18:22 |
|
wizzyrea |
wizzyrea + xslt != fun and == much swearing |
| 18:22 |
|
wizzyrea |
esp since they're hard coded. |
| 18:22 |
|
wizzyrea |
guess that's a cleanup project I could undertake lol |
| 18:23 |
|
pianohacker |
wizzyrea: cool |
| 18:23 |
|
pianohacker |
Oh man, XSLT |
| 18:24 |
|
wizzyrea |
iknorite |
| 18:24 |
|
wizzyrea |
./facedesk |
| 18:29 |
|
pianohacker |
I remember trying to customise the Docbook XSLT stylesheets to have something approaching aesthetics |
| 18:29 |
|
pianohacker |
What a nightmare that was |
| 18:40 |
|
wizzyrea |
pianohacker: if you're going to make a customize interface screen, you could take all of those sysprefs and park them there |
| 18:40 |
|
pianohacker |
Hmm |
| 18:41 |
|
wizzyrea |
might make a little more sense? |
| 18:41 |
|
pianohacker |
Yeah, maybe |
| 18:41 |
|
wizzyrea |
idk, it's just a thought |
| 18:41 |
|
wizzyrea |
the OPACNav, OPAC CSS, etc |
| 18:41 |
|
pianohacker |
Yup |
| 18:41 |
|
pianohacker |
Actually, some of those would fit in perfectly |
| 18:42 |
|
wizzyrea |
are you familiar with wordpress at all? |
| 18:43 |
|
pianohacker |
A very little bit. I do have an abandoned wordpress.com blog I could poke at, if you mention something from it |
| 18:43 |
|
wizzyrea |
WP has a Design/Appearance menu that holds all (most, anyway) of the design elements |
| 18:44 |
|
wizzyrea |
from there you can edit the template files (probably not something you'd want to allow in the case of koha but I could see it in the context of the OPACNav type prefs) |
| 18:45 |
|
wizzyrea |
and the coolest part is the widget interface |
| 18:45 |
|
wizzyrea |
imo |
| 18:46 |
|
wizzyrea |
not sure it would work with the way you proposed but in my experience it's a fairly easily learned interface |
| 18:49 |
|
pianohacker |
Ah, I see it |
| 18:49 |
|
pianohacker |
That is quite nice |
| 18:51 |
|
wizzyrea |
I could kind of see a thing like the edit theme files menu, with a list of all editable preferences that you click to get their boxes |
| 18:51 |
|
wizzyrea |
+current content |
| 20:11 |
|
chris |
status updated, contractions have gone away, looks like false alarm this time |
| 20:13 |
|
gmcharlt |
new baby's trying to keep you two awake even before it's born |
| 20:13 |
|
chris |
hehe yes |
| 20:13 |
|
chris |
practice :) |
| 20:15 |
|
wizzyrea |
I'll have a new nephew tomorrow :D |
| 20:17 |
|
brendan |
chris - do you know if it's another boy or a girl? |
| 20:17 |
|
chris |
boy |
| 20:17 |
|
chris |
after we couldnt tell at the 20 week scan we decided we didnt want to know |
| 20:17 |
|
brendan |
wow -- invest in some boxing gloves ;) |
| 20:18 |
|
chris |
so typical of our children, at the 36 week scan .. you couldnt not see :) |
| 20:18 |
|
chris |
wizzyrea: congrats :) |
| 20:18 |
|
brendan |
yes wizzyrea congrats |
| 20:20 |
|
gmcharlt |
wizzyrea: congrats! |
| 20:21 |
|
wizzyrea |
lol, not a shy one, eh/ |
| 20:22 |
|
chris |
contrary already too :) |
| 20:22 |
|
wizzyrea |
oi! |
| 20:22 |
|
wizzyrea |
I call it 'persistent' |
| 20:23 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 20:23 |
|
wizzyrea |
well *my* kid is persistent, anyway. Instead of 'stubborn' or 'contrary' |
| 20:25 |
|
chris |
kahu is stubborn, but sometimes contrary too, usually with his cousin manaia |
| 20:26 |
|
chris |
they have conversatiosn taht consist entirely of "yes" "no" "no" "yes" "yes yes yes" "NOOOO" |
| 20:26 |
|
wizzyrea |
LOL |
| 20:27 |
|
wizzyrea |
Manaia, that is a pretty name |
| 20:29 |
|
chris |
his full name is a mouthful :) |
| 20:29 |
|
chris |
Te Manaia o Rotokoutuku |
| 20:30 |
|
wizzyrea |
wow no kidding |
| 20:30 |
|
wizzyrea |
that's awesome though |
| 20:31 |
|
chris |
have i told you kahu's full name with all his middle names? |
| 20:31 |
|
chris |
Kahurangi James Lee Barr Cormack |
| 20:31 |
|
chris |
Barr is laurels surname |
| 20:31 |
|
wizzyrea |
That's a mouthful |
| 20:31 |
|
chris |
Lee is her mothers maiden name |
| 20:32 |
|
chris |
James comes from my granddad |
| 20:32 |
|
wizzyrea |
it's a pretty awesome name though |
| 20:32 |
|
chris |
yeah, we figure give him a pile, and he can pick one when he is older hehe |
| 20:32 |
|
wizzyrea |
hee! |
| 20:36 |
|
wizzyrea |
brb... technical difficulties must reboot (stuck CD) |
| 20:40 |
|
pianohacker |
chris, gmcharlt: did you see earlier discussion about css customization? |
| 20:43 |
|
chris |
hmm ill scroll back |
| 20:45 |
|
chris |
using css to control the layout of the add patron screen? |
| 20:46 |
|
pianohacker |
Auto-generated css, from a rules table |
| 20:47 |
|
pianohacker |
Difficult to think on no sleep |
| 20:47 |
|
wizzyrea |
that's the basic idea, yea |
| 20:49 |
|
chris |
i like in principle |
| 20:49 |
|
chris |
but it will slow things down |
| 20:49 |
|
richard |
hi |
| 20:49 |
|
pianohacker |
True |
| 20:49 |
|
pianohacker |
Might have to wait for memcached, depending on the speed hit |
| 20:49 |
|
chris |
so maybe we need to have a way to regen the css from the staff interface |
| 20:49 |
|
chris |
and then serve the static files |
| 20:51 |
|
wizzyrea |
the speed thing occurred to me as well |
| 20:52 |
|
wizzyrea |
BUT... it's not the circ screen, it's less important that it loads super fast |
| 20:52 |
|
gmcharlt |
also, do you make that a user-level preference or database-wdie |
| 20:52 |
|
pianohacker |
gmcharlt: I'd probably start by making it branch-wide |
| 20:53 |
|
wizzyrea |
gmcharlt: i saw it the same as pianohacker |
| 20:53 |
|
gmcharlt |
I think that if you care enough to customize the patron editing form, you likely are entering enough patron records that you want it to be pretty snappy |
| 20:53 |
|
pianohacker |
Maybe |
| 20:53 |
|
wizzyrea |
yea, I'm not so sure about that |
| 20:53 |
|
pianohacker |
But perhaps you just want the initials field to go aawy |
| 20:53 |
|
gmcharlt |
i.e., there's no point in fine-tuning of the layout of the form for usability if it becomes too slow |
| 20:53 |
|
pianohacker |
*away |
| 20:54 |
|
wizzyrea |
that's true, except the human clock cycles you spend scrolling past the things you don't use might make up for that |
| 20:55 |
|
wizzyrea |
but speedier is better |
| 20:56 |
|
pianohacker |
I'll just have to benchmark it |
| 20:56 |
|
pianohacker |
If the generated css is cached in /tmp and removed by the interface customization screen, it should speed it up enough until we get a Koha-wide caching system prepared |
| 20:57 |
|
chris |
yeah |
| 20:57 |
|
chris |
the big trick is |
| 20:57 |
|
chris |
nginx can serve directly from memcached |
| 20:57 |
|
chris |
you could use nginx to serve the static files and css |
| 20:57 |
|
chris |
and apache to do the rest |
| 20:58 |
|
chris |
course now you are making it super hard to get going :) |
| 20:58 |
|
pianohacker |
That would be especially helpful for large OPACs |
| 20:58 |
|
pianohacker |
Yeah, it would have to be optional |
| 20:58 |
|
chris |
but in large installs yes |
| 20:59 |
|
pianohacker |
If we stored the css in a way so that both Koha and nginx could read it, then had a "StaticFilesHost" or similar syspref, I think that would make it easy enough to choose whichever approach worked better for you |
| 21:01 |
|
chris |
*nod* |
| 21:01 |
|
chris |
you get a decent speed win just by using nginx to serve the js and images |
| 21:01 |
|
chris |
it can do it a lot faster than apache can |
| 21:09 |
|
chris |
ok heading into work now |
| 21:26 |
|
atz |
pianohacker: serving anything from /tmp is *not* recommended |
| 21:26 |
|
pianohacker |
atz: Well, that's good to know |
| 21:26 |
|
pianohacker |
Why not? |
| 21:26 |
|
atz |
it's a security thing |
| 21:27 |
|
atz |
what's going to keep another process from overwriting your file with, say, a 2GB binary |
| 21:28 |
|
pianohacker |
Hrm, that is a problem |
| 21:29 |
|
gmcharlt |
typical solution is to define a cache directory |
| 21:29 |
|
gmcharlt |
that Koha CGI scripts would have write access to |
| 21:29 |
|
gmcharlt |
and be careful |
| 21:29 |
|
pianohacker |
Yes |
| 21:30 |
|
gmcharlt |
about 1) not spewing an indefinitely amount of stuff into it |
| 21:30 |
|
gmcharlt |
and 2) locking down access to that directory as much as possible |
| 21:30 |
|
pianohacker |
One solution I thought of was to make sure the file is rw------- |
| 21:31 |
|
atz |
that's a good start, but doesn't help if everything (and 100 other CGIs) are all running as httpd |
| 21:31 |
|
pianohacker |
atz: True, though that's a problem with any cache directory, really |
| 21:31 |
|
atz |
pianohacker: except that the directory is not known ahead of time |
| 21:32 |
|
atz |
i can install koha wherever in my tree, but /tmp is always the same |
| 21:32 |
|
gmcharlt |
except, of course, when it isn't, if the windows port ever gets revived |
| 21:33 |
|
gmcharlt |
i.e., even you were going to use /tmp, that's not cross-platform |
| 21:33 |
|
atz |
hrm... radio is reporting on protesters at Ohio St. library going w/ electronic journals over print |
| 21:33 |
|
atz |
odd..... |
| 21:33 |
|
gmcharlt |
seriously? |
| 21:33 |
|
atz |
yes |
| 21:33 |
|
atz |
"24 protesters gathered..." |
| 21:34 |
|
chris |
wow .. 24 ... thats ... huge???? |
| 21:34 |
|
atz |
not much out of a 50,000+ person institution |
| 21:34 |
|
atz |
"24 people have found the library" |
| 21:34 |
|
gmcharlt |
but surprisingly large for an actually in-person protest about electronic journals |
| 21:34 |
|
atz |
yeah |
| 21:35 |
|
atz |
it sounded like it was conjoined w/ the redesign claiming what used to be "shelf space" for other purposes |
| 21:35 |
|
gmcharlt |
and I'd have thought it would have been about Elsevier sullying its reputation as an arms dealer by publishing fake medical journals ;) |
| 21:35 |
|
atz |
so basically a "we heart stacks" protest |
| 21:37 |
|
pianohacker |
Should this be an "optional security" thing? That is, have a syspref or koha-conf.xml option 'resource_cache_dir' that defaults to File::Spec->tmpdir , but can be changed for shared or untrusted environments? |
| 21:38 |
|
gmcharlt |
I think koha-conf.xml is better |
| 21:38 |
|
gmcharlt |
but I thnk it should never default to File::Spec->tmpdir |
| 21:38 |
|
gmcharlt |
instead, I suppose we can create a new standard subdirectory for it |
| 21:39 |
|
pianohacker |
in installer.pl, with the right permissions? |
| 21:39 |
|
pianohacker |
Should be manageable |
| 22:14 |
|
pianohacker |
How would you manage upgrades, though? |
| 22:59 |
|
gmcharlt |
Makefile.PL can handle creating new directories |
| 22:59 |
|
gmcharlt |
and script could take care of patching koha-conf.xml |
| 03:23 |
|
Amit_G |
hi brendan, chris, mason |
| 03:23 |
|
Amit_G |
good morning |
| 03:23 |
|
brendan |
heya Amit_G - who is amit |
| 03:24 |
|
Amit_G |
hi i m amit |
| 03:24 |
|
mason |
morning peoples |
| 03:24 |
|
Amit_G |
brendan: I am Amit |
| 03:24 |
|
Amit_G |
hi mason |
| 03:31 |
|
Amit_G |
hi i think git.koha.org site is down |
| 03:31 |
|
chris |
fine for me |
| 03:37 |
|
Amit_G |
chris it's opening git.koha.org |
| 03:54 |
|
mason |
ok for me too.. |
| 04:13 |
|
Amit |
mason: now it's open |
| 04:14 |
|
Amit |
chris:http://www.iplt20.com/ |
| 04:14 |
|
Amit |
delhi is on top |
| 04:16 |
|
Amit |
chris: i think today i m completed my dari translation |
| 04:18 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 05:31 |
|
Amit |
chris: http://pazpardemo.osslabs.biz/pazpar2/jsdemo/ |
| 06:08 |
|
brendan |
heya nahuel |
| 06:15 |
|
chris |
Amit: http://translate.koha.org/prs/ |
| 06:15 |
|
chris |
if you send me your translated .po files ill upload them here |
| 06:15 |
|
chris |
and then they will go into the next release of koha |
| 06:17 |
|
brendan |
Good night all -- I need a good night sleep |
| 06:17 |
|
Amit |
ok |
| 06:17 |
|
Amit |
i will send u |
| 06:18 |
|
chris |
good night brendan |
| 06:21 |
|
Amit |
good night chris |
| 06:22 |
|
Amit |
chris: i have already work on http://translate.koha.org/prs/opac3_0/ |
| 06:23 |
|
Amit |
u can also download po file from there( work is on progress) |
| 06:23 |
|
chris |
no need to download from there, thats what goes into koha |
| 06:24 |
|
chris |
but i thought you said you had finished |
| 06:24 |
|
chris |
and it still says lots to be translated .. are they all suggestions? |
| 06:24 |
|
_eric_b |
Hi chris. |
| 06:25 |
|
_eric_b |
Is there a way to get notify when new strings are added and need to be translated? |
| 06:25 |
|
_eric_b |
fr_CA is 100% atm, so I want to know if other string are added. |
| 06:25 |
|
chris |
if so, i will email the savitras, and get him to accept them |
| 06:25 |
|
chris |
i will email koha-translate |
| 06:26 |
|
chris |
anytime new strings are added |
| 06:26 |
|
_eric_b |
Ok. Could be nice to find a way to do it automatically though... at least, nice for you :) |
| 06:27 |
|
chris |
Amit: hmm i dont see any suggestions either |
| 06:27 |
|
Amit |
means |
| 06:27 |
|
chris |
_eric_b: well i have to add the new strings anyway :) |
| 06:27 |
|
Amit |
k |
| 06:28 |
|
chris |
_eric_b: so firing off an email isnt much extra |
| 06:28 |
|
chris |
and it only happens once or twice between each release |
| 06:29 |
|
_eric_b |
No extra when YOU add new strings :) |
| 06:29 |
|
Amit |
chris; translation work is on progress |
| 06:29 |
|
chris |
ok |
| 06:29 |
|
_eric_b |
Anyway, your the one who knows ;) I don't mind receiving an email by you or by a machine... |
| 06:29 |
|
chris |
_eric_b: yeah, im the only one who can :) |
| 06:30 |
|
chris |
its easier that way, otherwise we might end up with all sorts of mess |
| 06:30 |
|
_eric_b |
chris "the machine" Cormack ;) |
| 06:32 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 06:38 |
|
chris |
hi nicomo |
| 06:38 |
|
nicomo |
hi chris and all |
| 06:39 |
|
_eric_b |
bonjour nico |
| 06:39 |
|
nicomo |
chris: i guess your being here means that wasn't the day yet, right? |
| 06:39 |
|
nicomo |
salut _eric_b |
| 06:41 |
|
Amit |
chris: how i would search marc21 tag in koha pootle for ex: 001-Control number |
| 06:41 |
|
chris |
you wouldnt, its only the templates |
| 06:42 |
|
chris |
nicomo: not yet |
| 06:42 |
|
chris |
Amit: we dont have the marc frameworks translatable in pootle yet |
| 06:42 |
|
Amit |
ok |
| 06:53 |
|
nahuel |
hi brendan :) |
| 06:53 |
|
nahuel |
hi all |
| 06:53 |
|
chris |
hi nicomo and kf |
| 06:53 |
|
nahuel |
hi chris |
| 06:53 |
|
_eric_b |
chris, could it be easy to add a part of a .sql file in the translation engine? |
| 06:54 |
|
_eric_b |
I would like to make the framework translatable :) |
| 06:58 |
|
_eric_b |
the language would still be selected at the install time, though |
| 07:01 |
|
thd |
_eric_b: It might be easier and would certainly be more useful to redesign how the MARC frameworks are implemented and function |
| 07:08 |
|
thd |
_eric_b: Under the present SQL mode,l you could write a script to repopulate the language label columns in the SQL files which build the MARC frameworks |
| 07:09 |
|
thd |
s/mode,l/model,/ |
| 07:12 |
|
chris |
id like to get the frameworks to be able to use .po files |
| 07:13 |
|
chris |
then it wouldnt need to be selected at install time |
| 07:13 |
|
chris |
and could be updated between releases also |
| 07:14 |
|
chris |
of course im sleep deprived and may be talking rubbish :) |
| 07:15 |
|
chris |
oh, and i meant to say 'hi nahuel and kf' before .. see sleep deprived :) |
| 07:16 |
|
nahuel |
héhé :) |
| 07:18 |
|
kf |
hi chris :) and all #koha |
| 07:18 |
|
chris |
all caught up on emails kf? |
| 07:23 |
|
kf |
finally |
| 07:23 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 07:24 |
|
mason |
me heads home.. |
| 07:24 |
|
kf |
but reading is one thing, today I have to write my answers |
| 07:25 |
|
chris |
cya mason |
| 07:25 |
|
mason |
chris: hows laurel doing? |
| 07:27 |
|
chris |
all good at the moment, its all calm again |
| 07:27 |
|
mason |
cooly cool |
| 07:28 |
|
mason |
ok, gotta scram for the 7:30.. |
| 08:11 |
|
chris |
evening reed and hdl_laptop |
| 08:11 |
|
hdl_laptop |
hi chris. |
| 09:18 |
|
chris |
ahh good old rick strikes again |
| 09:57 |
|
Amit |
chris: http://72.14.185.116/ |
| 09:57 |
|
Amit |
please check this |
| 10:00 |
|
chris |
cool, if you could send me the .po file when you have time ill add it |
| 10:06 |
|
Amit |
ok |
| 10:06 |
|
Amit |
chris: but i think .po is on the pootle itself |
| 10:08 |
|
hdl_laptop |
hi kf |
| 10:08 |
|
Amit |
hi kf |
| 10:08 |
|
kf |
hi hdl and Amit |
| 10:13 |
|
Amit |
hi honey |
| 10:13 |
|
honey |
hi |
| 10:28 |
|
chris |
amit: http://translate.koha.org/prs/opac3_0/index.html |
| 10:28 |
|
chris |
the po file here is untranslated |
| 10:30 |
|
Amit |
ok |
| 10:30 |
|
Amit |
chris: i will send u po files |
| 10:32 |
|
chris |
thank you |
| 10:32 |
|
Amit |
chris: some correction made to be done i will send u |
| 10:33 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 10:39 |
|
chris |
night all |
