| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 13:45 |
|
owen |
Good morning dedicated Koha factory workers union |
| 13:46 |
|
paul_p |
hello owen |
| 13:47 |
|
owen |
For you, paul_p, a Good Day. |
| 13:48 |
|
hdl |
hi. |
| 13:49 |
|
hdl |
owen... Why today especially ? |
| 13:50 |
|
owen |
I'm giving a "Good Day" because your morning is now out of my control. |
| 13:56 |
|
paul_p |
owen: :D |
| 14:02 |
|
hdl |
lol |
| 14:02 |
|
hdl |
hi gmcharlt |
| 14:02 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi hdl |
| 14:03 |
|
paul_p |
hi gmcharlt |
| 14:03 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi paul_p & #koha |
| 21:46 |
|
SelfishMan |
Has anyone migrated from Athena to Koha? |
| 21:56 |
|
kados |
SelfishMan: yep, lots of libraries have done that |
| 21:56 |
|
SelfishMan |
Any tips before I screw it up the first time? |
| 21:57 |
|
kados |
SelfishMan: I believe West Liberty Public was an Athena library: www.wlpl.org |
| 21:57 |
|
gmcharlt__ |
general tip: for any data migration, plan on having at least one test run before you do it for real |
| 21:57 |
|
kados |
SelfishMan: hmmm, I've actually done a few of those athena migrations, I think it was pretty easy IIRC |
| 21:57 |
|
kados |
SelfishMan: (/me works at LibLime) |
| 21:57 |
|
SelfishMan |
Oh trust me, I'm going to do the migration a dozen times before I concern doing the production one |
| 21:57 |
|
kados |
SelfishMan: the most complicated part is mapping your items |
| 21:58 |
|
kados |
athena represents items in 852 and Koha does it in 952 |
| 21:58 |
|
kados |
so you might want to use something like MarcEdit to re-map those item fields |
| 21:58 |
|
kados |
oh, there was something funky about the non-bib data too if I recall correctly |
| 21:58 |
|
SelfishMan |
We've had concerns with exporting the data from Athena so the board has been reluctant to move away. With the acquisition by Follet they are looking to run away as quick as possible |
| 21:58 |
|
kados |
it's in a strange format |
| 21:59 |
|
SelfishMan |
Interesting. I appreciate the info |
| 21:59 |
|
kados |
SelfishMan: if the board is hesitant it might be worthwhile to check out some of the professional services offered by Koha companies |
| 21:59 |
|
kados |
http://koha.org/support/pay.html |
| 22:00 |
|
kados |
some of the Koha companies have done literally dozens of Athena migrations ;-) |
| 22:00 |
|
gmcharlt |
SelfishMan: if I remember correctly, Athena's database files are of a standard sort (FileMaker? not sure) that can be linked to and access using MS Access |
| 22:00 |
|
gmcharlt |
so that would be one way to get at the data |
| 22:00 |
|
SelfishMan |
kados: They were hesitant because of the hassle of migrating from Follet to Athena years ago but now they just want to get away from it and Koha is the preferred option |
| 22:01 |
|
kados |
SelfishMan: gotcha |
| 22:01 |
|
SelfishMan |
I have no doubt they will be willing to pay for the migration but I personally want to learn it inside and out as I hope to become an active member of the Koha community |
| 22:02 |
|
gmcharlt |
SelfishMan: excellent idea! |
| 22:02 |
|
kados |
SelfishMan: good to hear! |
| 22:02 |
|
kados |
SelfishMan: in that case, welcome to the community :-) |
| 22:04 |
|
SelfishMan |
A year ago (almost to the day) I asked the director about her feelings on open source and she was reluctant mostly because she wasn't familiar with any of it. After migrating all our public access computers to Ubuntu and the patrons were *happier* she warmed up to it quite a bit and the board loved the reduced cost of licensing and maintenance. |
| 22:05 |
|
gmcharlt |
Ubuntu as a gateway drug - very nice |
| 22:05 |
|
SelfishMan |
Several months ago a neighboring library migrated to Koha and now I have a chance at getting away from this unstable system we currently have |
| 22:05 |
|
SelfishMan |
I have nothing against Windows but it wasn't secure enough for what we needed without spending a few thousand every year on licenses. |
| 01:04 |
|
mason |
this is worthy of a read... |
| 01:04 |
|
mason |
http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/[…]ur-kids-back.html |
| 01:11 |
|
gmcharlt |
mason: yikes! |
| 02:14 |
|
Jo |
Hi there. |
| 02:14 |
|
Jo |
Wondered if anyone could throw a word of confirmation my way regarding MARC bibliographic frameworks in a new koha 3.0 install |
| 02:15 |
|
Jo |
can I ignore this part of the set up, and will Koha still 'work'. |
| 02:15 |
|
Jo |
I gues I am asking, will the default install have a built in framework? |
| 02:16 |
|
Jo |
(I am a marc virgin ... its going to be a big learning curve before I can create one) |
| 02:16 |
|
mason |
heya |
| 02:16 |
|
Jo |
Hey Mason |
| 02:16 |
|
mason |
choose marc21 |
| 02:16 |
|
Jo |
yep - did that |
| 02:16 |
|
mason |
aka USMARC? |
| 02:16 |
|
mason |
good |
| 02:16 |
|
mason |
a default one gets created.. |
| 02:16 |
|
Jo |
brilliant. |
| 02:17 |
|
mason |
i'll be about for the next few hours , so ask away ;) |
| 02:17 |
|
Jo |
so that whole catalogue section on the setup screen: http://hltkoha3.katipo.co.nz:8[…]blio_framework.pl |
| 02:17 |
|
Jo |
can I ignore that area and just accept the defualts |
| 02:18 |
|
Jo |
you probably can't see that ... |
| 02:18 |
|
mason |
yes, i cant |
| 02:18 |
|
Jo |
home\administration |
| 02:19 |
|
Jo |
shall i quietly send you my login and password to my test site |
| 02:20 |
|
mason |
i just PM'ed u |
| 02:22 |
|
mason |
ta |
| 02:22 |
|
mason |
i dont rememeber a 'cat section' on the setup screen |
| 02:23 |
|
mason |
aah |
| 02:23 |
|
Jo |
on the left: http://hltkoha3.katipo.co.nz:8[…]n/z3950servers.pl |
| 02:23 |
|
mason |
yes, you can ignore all that the test a basic install.... |
| 02:23 |
|
Jo |
great! |
| 02:24 |
|
Jo |
and i see a z39.50 server comes by default too |
| 02:24 |
|
Jo |
thanks Mason |
| 02:24 |
|
mason |
bu* , u will want to look at those later , |
| 02:25 |
|
Jo |
yep |
| 02:25 |
|
Jo |
would be nice if there was a set of basic frameworks for different media formats to use as a starting point. |
| 02:25 |
|
mason |
there are already |
| 02:26 |
|
Jo |
ok - cool. where? I was just going tostart trawling through the koha list |
| 02:26 |
|
mason |
looks like u didnt install them |
| 02:26 |
|
Jo |
I got Katipo to install for me. |
| 02:26 |
|
mason |
was an 'optional' option during the web-install |
| 02:26 |
|
mason |
ok, no biggie... |
| 02:27 |
|
Jo |
So, would you be able to install them for me (as a charge up client of course!) |
| 02:27 |
|
mason |
yeah, its a quicky.. |
| 02:27 |
|
Jo |
(sounds like I'm going to as much help as I can get..!) |
| 02:29 |
|
mason |
if its a new install, prolly quicker to do the install again, with the 'optional' stuff included... |
| 02:29 |
|
Jo |
NO! |
| 02:29 |
|
mason |
but.. either/or |
| 02:29 |
|
mason |
ok ;) |
| 02:29 |
|
Jo |
you can't - I have spent days on this .... |
| 02:29 |
|
Jo |
huge big learning curve .... |
| 02:30 |
|
Jo |
(although having done the learning it should be a lot easier 2nd time around) |
| 02:33 |
|
mason |
just mailed u some example frameworks... |
| 02:33 |
|
Jo |
thanks heaps. |
| 02:34 |
|
mason |
historically, the frameworks are something clients want to modify for their own cataloguers |
| 02:34 |
|
Jo |
yep - and I ams ure we will want too as well. |
| 02:35 |
|
mason |
and the mod usually involves removing all the un-needed fields |
| 02:35 |
|
Jo |
thanks for that heads up. |
| 02:35 |
|
mason |
so you end up with a nice stripped-down framework, that hopefully fits on 1 page |
| 02:35 |
|
Jo |
I'll work through them. |
| 02:36 |
|
mason |
which makes life better for the catalogers |
| 02:36 |
|
Jo |
hey Mason, I have a screen shot |
| 02:37 |
|
Jo |
so i can see what kinds of frameworks are there |
| 02:37 |
|
mason |
and speds up the loading time too, i guess... |
| 02:37 |
|
Jo |
but none of the detail - am i missing something? |
| 02:37 |
|
Jo |
2 pngs |
| 02:39 |
|
mason |
just mailed u login details.. |
| 02:40 |
|
mason |
feel free to have a poke about. |
| 02:40 |
|
Jo |
Thanks heaps Mason. |
| 02:41 |
|
Jo |
(wanders off to read...) |
| 04:17 |
|
chris |
atz: joann has been using til reconciliation every day since jan 3 2000, so while it may be buggy, it wouldnt call it limited use ;) |
| 04:18 |
|
atz |
i mean that she is in one library with one workflow |
| 04:18 |
|
atz |
i end up fielding support requests from many different libraries on fines |
| 04:19 |
|
chris |
theres no doubt it needs work |
| 04:19 |
|
atz |
for example, do they use "writeoff" payment types? do they charge fines for ILL items returned not at home library? |
| 04:20 |
|
chris |
yes they do use writeoffs |
| 04:20 |
|
chris |
no to ILL |
| 04:20 |
|
chris |
fines |
| 04:20 |
|
chris |
HLT are just feeling scared, because each upgrade they lose features |
| 04:20 |
|
atz |
then don't upgrade |
| 04:21 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 04:21 |
|
chris |
they gain features too |
| 04:21 |
|
atz |
HLT *should* lose features! Their shit was hardcoded! |
| 04:21 |
|
chris |
nice |
| 04:22 |
|
chris |
thats a great attitude you have there |
| 04:22 |
|
atz |
i'm kidding... |
| 04:22 |
|
atz |
and i see where they are coming from |
| 04:23 |
|
atz |
but they did have a lot of code that was *only* useful for HLT committed to the repo |
| 04:23 |
|
chris |
you are totally right about the fines, it needs to be fixed |
| 04:23 |
|
chris |
the main one they lost was the ability not to have to use marc |
| 04:23 |
|
atz |
yeah, i haven't heard any pushback on that until now |
| 04:23 |
|
chris |
but that was before liblime existed |
| 04:24 |
|
atz |
when did it get phased out? |
| 04:25 |
|
chris |
basically when the marc support was added |
| 04:25 |
|
chris |
so 2.0.x |
| 04:25 |
|
atz |
heh... yeah, "when it became an ILS" |
| 04:25 |
|
chris |
when it became as broken as all the other ILS's :) |
| 04:25 |
|
atz |
yeah, tell me about it. i have encoding issues like crazy now. |
| 04:26 |
|
chris |
this class work should help tho |
| 04:26 |
|
atz |
try getting lithuanian in marc21. |
| 04:26 |
|
chris |
we should be able to abstract a NOMARC view easy(ish) |
| 04:27 |
|
chris |
i mean you could do it now with xslt |
| 04:27 |
|
chris |
and some work on the cataloguing side |
| 04:27 |
|
atz |
yeah, i guess I don't see where they are coming from being fixated on "nomarc" |
| 04:27 |
|
atz |
if the cataloging interface is clean enough, who cares? |
| 04:27 |
|
chris |
they dont care how its stored in the back, they just dont wait to have to see it |
| 04:27 |
|
chris |
wait= want |
| 04:28 |
|
chris |
whcih is probably the case for most special/corporate libraries |
| 04:28 |
|
atz |
so they would be satisfied with simplified "easy" cataloging interface? |
| 04:28 |
|
chris |
hlt do have library school graduates who know marc .. but lots of libraries dont |
| 04:29 |
|
chris |
pretty much |
| 04:29 |
|
atz |
sure... some of my old k-12 librarians didn't even know how to use a mouse |
| 04:29 |
|
chris |
eg www.opus.co.nz |
| 04:30 |
|
chris |
run koha |
| 04:30 |
|
atz |
So they are thinking, i put the author, title and isbn and I'm done? |
| 04:30 |
|
chris |
and they catalogue mostly self written engineering reports |
| 04:30 |
|
chris |
they probably want subjects too |
| 04:30 |
|
chris |
and abstract |
| 04:30 |
|
chris |
but not much more than that |
| 04:30 |
|
atz |
can't that be accomplished now with a custom framework? |
| 04:31 |
|
chris |
almost |
| 04:31 |
|
chris |
if we had a custom framework |
| 04:31 |
|
chris |
that because the default, if you had nomarc switched on |
| 04:31 |
|
chris |
i reckon that would pretty much do it |
| 04:32 |
|
atz |
rather, allow any framework to be specified as the default |
| 04:32 |
|
atz |
including this custom one |
| 04:32 |
|
chris |
yeah that'd work |
| 04:32 |
|
chris |
and if it still made valid marc records in the back |
| 04:32 |
|
atz |
(i think that may be possible already) |
| 04:33 |
|
chris |
that would be even cooler |
| 04:33 |
|
chris |
(or as valid as marc ever gets) |
| 04:33 |
|
atz |
right |
| 04:34 |
|
chris |
the other feature they lost, was the ability to reserve all manifestations of a work in one screen |
| 04:34 |
|
chris |
but that looks to be coming back |
| 04:34 |
|
chris |
with acmoores rfc |
| 04:35 |
|
chris |
the holdings or summarys one |
| 04:36 |
|
chris |
so that will be cool |
| 04:36 |
|
atz |
yeah, holds is going to get reworked several times in the next year |
| 04:36 |
|
chris |
thats the main suck point of current ILS's |
| 04:36 |
|
atz |
everybody has such divergent requirements for holds |
| 04:36 |
|
chris |
yeah |
| 04:36 |
|
chris |
i wonder if we need to do 'profiles' |
| 04:37 |
|
chris |
like a superset of preferences |
| 04:37 |
|
chris |
corporate library profile, choose that, and it presets a bunch of system prefs for you |
| 04:37 |
|
chris |
consortia profile etc |
| 04:38 |
|
atz |
i've been putting of re-orienting the syspref tab hashes to be mutliple-depth |
| 04:38 |
|
atz |
instead of $hash{variable}=tab; |
| 04:38 |
|
chris |
ahh right |
| 04:39 |
|
atz |
but that would be in the same line |
| 04:39 |
|
chris |
right, i probably should start heading home, and you should probably be asleep :-) |
| 04:39 |
|
atz |
just finished a late round of cooking.... |
| 04:40 |
|
atz |
chilling out w/ a sleepy kitten on my lap annoyed at my typing |
| 04:40 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 04:40 |
|
atz |
ttyl |
| 04:41 |
|
chris |
cya later |
| 05:01 |
|
anasha |
I am planning to start localized Indian Kaha user group |
| 05:02 |
|
anasha |
a Localized Indian Community for KOHA! |
| 05:03 |
|
anasha |
as koha users number is increasing everyday |
| 05:04 |
|
anasha |
kados, mason |
| 05:05 |
|
mason |
hiya anasha |
| 05:05 |
|
mason |
whats up? |
| 05:06 |
|
anasha |
i am fine hows you |
| 05:06 |
|
anasha |
how about if i start a koha india user group |
| 05:07 |
|
mason |
very good here too! |
| 05:07 |
|
anasha |
the idea is to provide then support locally |
| 05:07 |
|
mason |
its summer and the weather is nice, lots of frisbee ;) |
| 05:07 |
|
anasha |
we will conducting free training and workshop |
| 05:08 |
|
anasha |
are you a bot? |
| 05:08 |
|
mason |
nah, im a real human |
| 05:08 |
|
anasha |
ook |
| 05:08 |
|
anasha |
;) |
| 05:09 |
|
anasha |
how my idea |
| 05:09 |
|
mason |
but i play one on the 1nt3rn3t ;) |
| 05:09 |
|
mason |
sounds like a great idea anasha |
| 05:09 |
|
mason |
you close to mumbai? |
| 05:10 |
|
anasha |
yes I am in mumbai, and i have offices in all major cities in india |
| 05:10 |
|
mason |
perfect! |
| 05:11 |
|
anasha |
i have very close ties with Indian Library Association here |
| 05:12 |
|
mason |
we are planning the same thing in new zealand |
| 05:13 |
|
mason |
it will be good to swap ideas and experiences ;) |
| 05:13 |
|
anasha |
we will be getting some help from government of india to Penetrate koha in all mejor universities and colleges india |
| 05:15 |
|
anasha |
and the idea is to connect them all together so that a aptron can move from one library to another with same priviliges which he/she has with his/her library |
| 05:17 |
|
mason |
hmm, perhaps koha's ldap would be good for that.... |
| 05:17 |
|
mason |
a very nice idea, too |
| 05:18 |
|
anasha |
yes |
| 05:18 |
|
anasha |
we are working on it |
| 05:18 |
|
anasha |
and will need your help very often |
| 05:19 |
|
mason |
local 'koha-india' mailing-lists could be helpful for you |
| 05:19 |
|
anasha |
yes |
| 05:19 |
|
anasha |
kohaindia.org and kohaindia.com i got registerd recently |
| 05:19 |
|
mason |
cool |
| 05:20 |
|
mason |
sounds like its all-go over there |
| 05:20 |
|
anasha |
;) |
| 05:20 |
|
mason |
ok, back to work for me... |
| 05:21 |
|
anasha |
ok |
| 05:21 |
|
mason |
lets keep in touch |
| 05:21 |
|
anasha |
yes sure |
| 05:21 |
|
anasha |
can i have your handphone no |
| 05:22 |
|
mason |
i think amit has been doing some ldap stuff recently, too |
| 05:22 |
|
mason |
sure, i'll email it to you |
| 05:22 |
|
anasha |
it was i doing at my place |
| 05:23 |
|
mason |
ah, gotcha |
| 05:23 |
|
anasha |
he worked with me for a month so |
| 05:23 |
|
mason |
lol, nice one ;) |
| 05:23 |
|
mason |
sure sure |
| 05:23 |
|
anasha |
but things couldn't worked out well |
| 05:24 |
|
mason |
how is mumbai now, is it safe? |
| 05:24 |
|
anasha |
yes it is |
| 05:25 |
|
mason |
ok, good to hear this news |
| 05:25 |
|
mason |
and the koha-india new too |
| 05:26 |
|
anasha |
thanks |
| 05:26 |
|
mason |
chat you later |
| 05:26 |
|
anasha |
ok |
| 05:44 |
|
hdl |
anasha: around ? |
| 05:44 |
|
anasha |
hdl: yes? |
| 05:45 |
|
hdl |
I thought you didnot know amit. |
| 05:45 |
|
anasha |
i know him |
| 05:46 |
|
anasha |
is there there anything specific ? |
