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05:46 anasha is there there anything specific ?
05:45 anasha i know him
05:45 hdl I thought you didnot know amit.
05:44 anasha hdl: yes?
05:44 hdl anasha: around ?
05:26 anasha ok
05:26 mason chat you later
05:26 anasha thanks
05:25 mason and the koha-india new too
05:25 mason ok, good to hear this news
05:24 anasha yes it is
05:24 mason how is mumbai now, is it safe?
05:23 anasha but things couldn't worked out well
05:23 mason sure sure
05:23 mason lol, nice one ;)
05:23 anasha he worked with me for a month so
05:23 mason ah, gotcha
05:22 anasha it was i doing at my place
05:22 mason sure, i'll email it to you
05:22 mason i think amit has been doing some ldap stuff recently, too
05:21 anasha can i have your handphone no
05:21 anasha yes sure
05:21 mason lets keep in touch
05:21 anasha ok
05:20 mason ok, back to work for me...
05:20 anasha ;)
05:20 mason sounds like its all-go over there
05:19 mason cool
05:19 anasha kohaindia.org and kohaindia.com i got registerd recently
05:19 anasha yes
05:19 mason local 'koha-india' mailing-lists could be helpful for you
05:18 anasha and will need your help very often
05:18 anasha we are working on it
05:18 anasha yes
05:17 mason a very nice idea, too
05:17 mason hmm, perhaps koha's ldap would be good for that....
05:15 anasha and the idea is to connect them all together so that a aptron can move from one library to another with same priviliges which he/she has with his/her library
05:13 anasha we will be getting some help from government of india to Penetrate koha in all mejor universities and colleges india
05:13 mason it will be good to swap ideas and experiences ;)
05:12 mason we are planning the same thing in new zealand
05:11 anasha i have very close ties with Indian Library Association here
05:10 mason perfect!
05:10 anasha yes I am in mumbai, and i have offices in all major cities in india
05:09 mason you close to mumbai?
05:09 mason sounds like a great idea anasha
05:09 mason but i play one on the 1nt3rn3t ;)
05:09 anasha how my idea
05:08 anasha ;)
05:08 anasha ook
05:08 mason nah, im a real human
05:08 anasha are you a bot?
05:07 anasha we will conducting free training and workshop
05:07 mason its summer and the weather is nice, lots of frisbee ;)
05:07 anasha the idea is to provide then support locally
05:07 mason very good here too!
05:06 anasha how about if i start a koha india user group
05:06 anasha i am fine hows you
05:05 mason whats up?
05:05 mason hiya anasha
05:04 anasha kados, mason
05:03 anasha as koha users number is increasing everyday
05:02 anasha a Localized Indian Community for KOHA!
05:01 anasha I am planning to start localized Indian Kaha user group
04:41 chris cya later
04:40 atz ttyl
04:40 chris hehe
04:40 atz chilling out w/ a sleepy kitten on my lap annoyed at my typing
04:39 atz just finished a late round of cooking....
04:39 chris right, i probably should start heading home, and you should probably be asleep :-)
04:39 atz but that would be in the same line
04:38 chris ahh right
04:38 atz instead of $hash{variable}=tab;
04:38 atz i've been putting of re-orienting the syspref tab hashes to be mutliple-depth
04:37 chris consortia profile etc
04:37 chris corporate library profile, choose that, and it presets a bunch of system prefs for you
04:37 chris like a superset of preferences
04:36 chris i wonder if we need to do 'profiles'
04:36 chris yeah
04:36 atz everybody has such divergent requirements for holds
04:36 chris thats the main suck point of current ILS's
04:36 atz yeah, holds is going to get reworked several times in the next year
04:36 chris so that will be cool
04:35 chris the holdings or summarys one
04:34 chris with acmoores rfc
04:34 chris but that looks to be coming back
04:34 chris the other feature they lost, was the ability to reserve all manifestations of a work in one screen
04:33 atz right
04:33 chris (or as valid as marc ever gets)
04:33 chris that would be even cooler
04:32 atz (i think that may be possible already)
04:32 chris and if it still made valid marc records in the back
04:32 chris yeah that'd work
04:32 atz including this custom one
04:32 atz rather, allow any framework to be specified as the default
04:31 chris i reckon that would pretty much do it
04:31 chris that because the default, if you had nomarc switched on
04:31 chris if we had a custom framework
04:31 chris almost
04:30 atz can't that be accomplished now with a custom framework?
04:30 chris but not much more than that
04:30 chris and abstract
04:30 chris they probably want subjects too
04:30 chris and they catalogue mostly self written engineering reports
04:30 atz So they are thinking, i put the author, title and isbn and I'm done?
04:30 chris run koha
04:29 chris eg www.opus.co.nz
04:29 atz sure... some of my old k-12 librarians didn't even know how to use a mouse
04:29 chris pretty much
04:28 chris hlt do have library school graduates who know marc .. but lots of libraries dont
04:28 atz so they would be satisfied with simplified "easy" cataloging interface?
04:28 chris whcih is probably the case for most special/corporate libraries
04:27 chris wait= want
04:27 chris they dont care how its stored in the back, they just dont wait to have to see it
04:27 atz if the cataloging interface is clean enough, who cares?
04:27 atz yeah, i guess I don't see where they are coming from being fixated on "nomarc"
04:27 chris and some work on the cataloguing side
04:27 chris i mean you could do it now with xslt
04:26 chris we should be able to abstract a NOMARC view easy(ish)
04:26 atz try getting lithuanian in marc21.
04:26 chris this class work should help tho
04:25 atz yeah, tell me about it. i have encoding issues like crazy now.
04:25 chris when it became as broken as all the other ILS's :)
04:25 atz heh... yeah, "when it became an ILS"
04:25 chris so 2.0.x
04:25 chris basically when the marc support was added
04:24 atz when did it get phased out?
04:23 chris but that was before liblime existed
04:23 atz yeah, i haven't heard any pushback on that until now
04:23 chris the main one they lost was the ability not to have to use marc
04:23 chris you are totally right about the fines, it needs to be fixed
04:23 atz but they did have a lot of code that was *only* useful for HLT committed to the repo
04:22 atz and i see where they are coming from
04:22 atz i'm kidding...
04:22 chris thats a great attitude you have there
04:21 chris nice
04:21 atz HLT *should* lose features! Their shit was hardcoded!
04:21 chris they gain features too
04:21 chris heh
04:20 atz then don't upgrade
04:20 chris HLT are just feeling scared, because each upgrade they lose features
04:20 chris fines
04:20 chris no to ILL
04:20 chris yes they do use writeoffs
04:19 atz for example, do they use "writeoff" payment types? do they charge fines for ILL items returned not at home library?
04:19 chris theres no doubt it needs work
04:18 atz i end up fielding support requests from many different libraries on fines
04:18 atz i mean that she is in one library with one workflow
04:17 chris atz: joann has been using til reconciliation every day since jan 3 2000, so while it may be buggy, it wouldnt call it limited use ;)
02:41 Jo (wanders off to read...)
02:40 Jo Thanks heaps Mason.
02:40 mason feel free to have a poke about.
02:39 mason just mailed u login details..
02:37 Jo 2 pngs
02:37 Jo but none of the detail - am i missing something?
02:37 mason and speds up the loading time too, i guess...
02:37 Jo so i can see what kinds of frameworks are there
02:36 Jo hey Mason, I have a screen shot
02:36 mason which makes life better for the catalogers
02:35 Jo I'll work through them.
02:35 mason so you end up with a nice stripped-down framework, that hopefully fits on 1 page
02:35 Jo thanks for that heads up.
02:35 mason and the mod usually involves removing all the un-needed fields
02:34 Jo yep - and I ams ure we will want too as well.
02:34 mason historically, the frameworks are something clients want to modify for their own cataloguers
02:33 Jo thanks heaps.
02:33 mason just mailed u some example frameworks...
02:30 Jo (although having done the learning it should be a lot easier 2nd time around)
02:29 Jo huge big learning curve ....
02:29 Jo you can't - I have spent days on this ....
02:29 mason ok ;)
02:29 mason but.. either/or
02:29 Jo NO!
02:29 mason if its a new install, prolly quicker to do the install again, with the 'optional' stuff included...
02:27 Jo (sounds like I'm going to as much help as I can get..!)
02:27 mason yeah, its a quicky..
02:27 Jo So, would you be able to install them for me (as a charge up client of course!)
02:26 mason ok, no biggie...
02:26 mason was an 'optional' option during the web-install
02:26 Jo I got Katipo to install for me.
02:26 mason looks like u didnt install them
02:26 Jo ok - cool. where? I was just going tostart trawling through the koha list
02:25 mason there are already
02:25 Jo would be nice if there was a set of basic frameworks for different media formats to use as a starting point.
02:25 Jo yep
02:24 mason bu* , u will want to look at those later ,
02:24 Jo thanks Mason
02:24 Jo and i see a z39.50 server comes by default too
02:23 Jo great!
02:23 mason yes, you can ignore all that the test a basic install....
02:23 Jo on the left: http://hltkoha3.katipo.co.nz:8080/cgi-bin/koha/admin/z3950servers.pl
02:23 mason aah
02:22 mason i dont rememeber a 'cat section' on the setup screen
02:22 mason ta
02:20 mason i just PM'ed u
02:19 Jo shall i quietly send you my login and password to my test site
02:18 Jo home\administration
02:18 mason yes, i cant
02:18 Jo you probably can't see that ...
02:17 Jo can I ignore that area and just accept the defualts
02:17 Jo so that whole catalogue section on the setup screen: http://hltkoha3.katipo.co.nz:8080/cgi-bin/koha/admin/biblio_framework.pl
02:17 mason i'll be about for the next few hours , so ask away ;)
02:16 Jo brilliant.
02:16 mason a default one gets created..
02:16 mason good
02:16 mason aka USMARC?
02:16 Jo yep - did that
02:16 mason choose marc21
02:16 Jo Hey Mason
02:16 mason heya
02:16 Jo (I am a marc virgin ... its going to be a big learning curve before I can create one)
02:15 Jo I gues I am asking, will the default install have a built in framework?
02:15 Jo can I ignore this part of the set up, and will Koha still 'work'.
02:14 Jo Wondered if anyone could throw a word of confirmation my way regarding MARC bibliographic frameworks in a new koha 3.0 install
02:14 Jo Hi there.
01:11 gmcharlt mason: yikes!
01:04 mason http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html
01:04 mason this is worthy of a read...
22:05 SelfishMan I have nothing against Windows but it wasn't secure enough for what we needed without spending a few thousand every year on licenses.
22:05 SelfishMan Several months ago a neighboring library migrated to Koha and now I have a chance at getting away from this unstable system we currently have
22:05 gmcharlt Ubuntu as a gateway drug - very nice
22:04 SelfishMan A year ago (almost to the day) I asked the director about her feelings on open source and she was reluctant mostly because she wasn't familiar with any of it. After migrating all our public access computers to Ubuntu and the patrons were *happier* she warmed up to it quite a bit and the board loved the reduced cost of licensing and maintenance.
22:02 kados SelfishMan: in that case, welcome to the community :-)
22:02 kados SelfishMan: good to hear!
22:02 gmcharlt SelfishMan: excellent idea!
22:01 SelfishMan I have no doubt they will be willing to pay for the migration but I personally want to learn it inside and out as I hope to become an active member of the Koha community
22:01 kados SelfishMan: gotcha
22:00 SelfishMan kados: They were hesitant because of the hassle of migrating from Follet to Athena years ago but now they just want to get away from it and Koha is the preferred option
22:00 gmcharlt so that would be one way to get at the data
22:00 gmcharlt SelfishMan: if I remember correctly, Athena's database files are of a standard sort (FileMaker? not sure) that can be linked to and access using MS Access
22:00 kados some of the Koha companies have done literally dozens of Athena migrations ;-)
21:59 kados http://koha.org/support/pay.html
21:59 kados SelfishMan: if the board is hesitant it might be worthwhile to check out some of the professional services offered by Koha companies
21:59 SelfishMan Interesting. I appreciate the info
21:58 kados it's in a strange format
21:58 SelfishMan We've had concerns with exporting the data from Athena so the board has been reluctant to move away. With the acquisition by Follet they are looking to run away as quick as possible
21:58 kados oh, there was something funky about the non-bib data too if I recall correctly
21:58 kados so you might want to use something like MarcEdit to re-map those item fields
21:58 kados athena represents items in 852 and Koha does it in 952
21:57 kados SelfishMan: the most complicated part is mapping your items
21:57 SelfishMan Oh trust me, I'm going to do the migration a dozen times before I concern doing the production one
21:57 kados SelfishMan: (/me works at LibLime)
21:57 kados SelfishMan: hmmm, I've actually done a few of those athena migrations, I think it was pretty easy IIRC
21:57 gmcharlt__ general tip: for any data migration, plan on having at least one test run before you do it for real
21:57 kados SelfishMan: I believe West Liberty Public was an Athena library: www.wlpl.org
21:56 SelfishMan Any tips before I screw it up the first time?
21:56 kados SelfishMan: yep, lots of libraries have done that
21:46 SelfishMan Has anyone migrated from Athena to Koha?
14:03 gmcharlt hi paul_p & #koha
14:03 paul_p hi gmcharlt
14:02 gmcharlt hi hdl
14:02 hdl hi gmcharlt
14:02 hdl lol
13:56 paul_p owen: :D
13:50 owen I'm giving a "Good Day" because your morning is now out of my control.
13:49 hdl owen... Why today especially ?
13:48 hdl hi.
13:47 owen For you, paul_p, a Good Day.
13:46 paul_p hello owen
13:45 owen Good morning dedicated Koha factory workers union