| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 11:17 |
|
slef |
kados: I'm keener on the project's best interests being protected |
| 12:58 |
|
nahuel |
gmcharlt, hi |
| 12:58 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi nahuel |
| 12:59 |
|
nahuel |
gmcharlt, paul asked me to contact you about the virtual shelves |
| 12:59 |
|
gmcharlt |
nahuel: yep, just sent an email to you and Allen Reinmeyer |
| 12:59 |
|
gmcharlt |
nahuel: I had assigned Allen several bugs from bugs.koha.org |
| 13:00 |
|
gmcharlt |
and he's been working on them |
| 13:00 |
|
gmcharlt |
and it looks like around the same time you started working on similar bugs |
| 13:00 |
|
gmcharlt |
so I've asked Allen to contact you |
| 13:00 |
|
gmcharlt |
so that the two of you can avoid duplicate work |
| 13:00 |
|
nahuel |
ok, just received your email |
| 13:00 |
|
nahuel |
yes of course |
| 13:01 |
|
gmcharlt |
also, please check bugs.koha.org for duplicates |
| 13:01 |
|
gmcharlt |
for example, I think your 2766 is a duplicate |
| 13:01 |
|
nahuel |
I checked it |
| 13:01 |
|
gmcharlt |
(also, Version generally should not be set to unspecified in a bug - should be HEAD or rel_3_0 as needed) |
| 13:01 |
|
gmcharlt |
anyway, I need to step away for a moment to drive my wife to work |
| 13:01 |
|
gmcharlt |
back in half an hour |
| 13:02 |
|
nahuel |
every time I search if an existing bug exists, and don't find anything |
| 13:02 |
|
nahuel |
so I create a new bug |
| 13:02 |
|
nahuel |
ok, ttyl |
| 15:18 |
|
Amit |
hi |
| 15:18 |
|
Amit |
slef |
| 15:30 |
|
owen |
gmcharlt: are you around? |
| 15:35 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi owen |
| 15:36 |
|
owen |
Hi gmcharlt. I'm getting myself confused about git again. |
| 15:36 |
|
owen |
So, I submitted a patch for to change the opac layout. It had problems, so I've made some changes to address them. |
| 15:37 |
|
owen |
Better to create a new branch and put the new changes together with the changes from the other patch and resubmit? |
| 15:39 |
|
gmcharlt |
owen: if it's more fixes to the first patch, not adding on, replacing the patch and resubmiting is a good idea |
| 15:39 |
|
gmcharlt |
you can use git rebase --interactive origin to merge the two patches into one |
| 15:40 |
|
owen |
Even if I've rebase since the first patch was generated? |
| 15:40 |
|
gmcharlt |
yes |
| 15:41 |
|
gmcharlt |
flow would be fetch and rebase to sync up with the rest of the world |
| 15:41 |
|
gmcharlt |
then interactive rebase to squash your patches together |
| 15:41 |
|
gmcharlt |
see http://blogs.liblime.com/devel[…]ting-used-to-git/ by acmoore |
| 15:50 |
|
owen |
Crap, I think I sqashed into the wrong commit. |
| 15:53 |
|
gmcharlt |
owen: see the splitting commits heading of http://www.kernel.org/pub/soft[…]s/git-rebase.html |
| 16:03 |
|
mc |
hello world |
| 16:04 |
|
mc |
does anyone have an experience with zebrasrv and launchd ? |
| 16:07 |
|
paul_p |
(on mac OSX) |
| 16:21 |
|
slef |
mc: yes |
| 16:22 |
|
slef |
mc: 1.5 changed stuff. Want a plist file? |
| 16:22 |
|
slef |
10.5 even |
| 16:33 |
|
gmcharlt |
ouch |
| 16:33 |
|
paul_p |
:D |
| 16:39 |
|
miyo |
hi |
| 16:39 |
|
miyo |
how are you? |
| 16:42 |
|
owen |
Hi again decuir |
| 16:47 |
|
decuir |
yes |
| 16:47 |
|
decuir |
i come back |
| 16:49 |
|
decuir |
i have a little question? |
| 16:51 |
|
owen |
I hope we can answer |
| 16:51 |
|
decuir |
how can i borrow my books? |
| 16:52 |
|
owen |
You're trying to check something out and it doesn't work? |
| 16:54 |
|
decuir |
yes |
| 16:54 |
|
decuir |
only see the books |
| 16:54 |
|
decuir |
but i want borrow my books |
| 16:58 |
|
owen |
What do you mean, you only see the books? |
| 17:02 |
|
slef |
all the joe the plumber is a bit odd |
| 17:02 |
|
slef |
decuir: are you using the public catalogue or the librarian/interface? |
| 17:02 |
|
decuir |
yes |
| 17:02 |
|
decuir |
its correct |
| 17:02 |
|
decuir |
librarian |
| 17:03 |
|
slef |
go the home page, then go "Circulation" to start checking books out |
| 17:04 |
|
decuir |
yes |
| 17:05 |
|
decuir |
alright |
| 17:08 |
|
decuir |
and now??? |
| 17:08 |
|
mc |
slef: oh yes! |
| 17:08 |
|
mc |
i badly need a working plist file |
| 17:11 |
|
decuir |
a sorry and how a work a plist file i dont understand clearly |
| 17:13 |
|
mc |
decuir: answered to slef for my mac pb |
| 17:13 |
|
mc |
slef: i wrote macport Portfiles for koha perl dependencies |
| 17:14 |
|
mc |
it can interest you :) |
| 17:14 |
|
decuir |
yes |
| 17:14 |
|
decuir |
a im interested |
| 17:14 |
|
mc |
oh |
| 17:14 |
|
mc |
so i have to publish it |
| 17:15 |
|
decuir |
yes |
| 17:15 |
|
owen |
decuir: do your books have barcodes? |
| 17:16 |
|
decuir |
i don`t have |
| 17:16 |
|
decuir |
but i will be implement |
| 17:19 |
|
mc |
i'll prepare it |
| 17:19 |
|
mc |
decuir: but note that is a WIP |
| 17:21 |
|
decuir |
yes a little |
| 17:22 |
|
slef |
mc: I use fink. I don't understand macports yet |
| 17:23 |
|
slef |
mc: 1mo and I'll copy the plist files out |
| 17:23 |
|
mc |
ok |
| 17:23 |
|
mc |
what is the pb with macport ? |
| 17:23 |
|
mc |
(i never tried fink ... but it looks the same, no ? ) |
| 17:24 |
|
slef |
No pb. I think it wasn't around when I first used OSX. |
| 17:24 |
|
mc |
ho |
| 17:24 |
|
mc |
ok |
| 17:24 |
|
mc |
well ... perhaps you'll switch if koha is entierly packaged :) |
| 17:25 |
|
slef |
mc: perhaps |
| 17:25 |
|
slef |
http://serene.ttllp.co.uk/~mjr/fink-10.5/ |
| 17:25 |
|
slef |
the plist files are in there |
| 17:25 |
|
decuir |
yes |
| 17:25 |
|
decuir |
i checked |
| 17:25 |
|
mc |
thanks |
| 17:25 |
|
mc |
slef: |
| 17:26 |
|
slef |
mc: there are fink-specific bits you'll need to adjust in the paths |
| 17:26 |
|
mc |
sure i'll look inside files before using it |
| 17:26 |
|
slef |
mc: I think it wants RunAtLoad replacing with KeepAlive now too |
| 17:27 |
|
mc |
i can't do it |
| 17:27 |
|
slef |
now I must cook and so on |
| 17:27 |
|
mc |
keepalive is leopard feature |
| 17:27 |
|
mc |
i'm on tiger :( |
| 17:27 |
|
decuir |
:) |
| 17:28 |
|
mc |
i will ask biblibre to buy me a mac :) |
| 17:28 |
|
slef |
you know they'll buy you a pacamac not an applemac |
| 17:29 |
|
decuir |
ok |
| 17:29 |
|
decuir |
:P |
| 17:29 |
|
mc |
pacamac ? |
| 17:29 |
|
decuir |
yes |
| 17:31 |
|
mc |
i didn't know pacamac |
| 17:31 |
|
mc |
funny |
| 17:31 |
|
decuir |
jejje |
| 18:58 |
|
ryan |
can anyone make a good argument for why 022$a is indexed as both issn _and_isbn ? |
| 18:58 |
|
atz_ |
a good argument *would* be that there's no difference between the two |
| 18:59 |
|
ryan |
really? |
| 18:59 |
|
atz_ |
if that were true. |
| 19:01 |
|
ryan |
and also, i'd like to make changes to the base indexing rules to include ONLY subfield ‡a for both isbn and issn. |
| 19:01 |
|
ryan |
any objections ? |
| 19:01 |
|
ryan |
the issue being that the matching algorithms don't quite behave as expected |
| 19:02 |
|
ryan |
given the current looseness of the indexing definitions |
| 19:22 |
|
mc |
slef? |
| 19:22 |
|
mc |
omg! is there a decent graphical irc client ? |
| 19:23 |
|
owen |
mc: there's always chatzilla |
| 19:24 |
|
mc |
hmpf ... |
| 19:26 |
|
mc |
owen: but i'll try it some day |
| 19:36 |
|
atz_ |
mc: on mac OS? |
| 19:36 |
|
mc |
well.. on linux |
| 19:36 |
|
mc |
but mac has the same pb |
| 19:36 |
|
mc |
i use colloquy |
| 19:37 |
|
mc |
i'm not happy about it |
| 19:37 |
|
atz_ |
ah... colloquy trumps my other options |
| 19:37 |
|
atz_ |
chatzilla had memory leaks |
| 19:38 |
|
mc |
well |
| 19:38 |
|
mc |
perhaps it's a pb of settings |
| 19:38 |
|
mc |
but i can't easilly edit the current line |
| 19:39 |
|
atz_ |
yeah on colloquy the line commands are suckier |
| 19:39 |
|
atz_ |
and up-arrow doesn't work |
| 19:40 |
|
mc |
yep |
| 19:40 |
|
atz_ |
it does integrate with growl nicely though |
| 19:40 |
|
mc |
"with growl" ? |
| 19:41 |
|
mc |
(google didn't help) |
| 19:41 |
|
mc |
oh |
| 19:41 |
|
mc |
it's a software :) |
| 19:41 |
|
atz_ |
growl is a desktop plugin on macos that does notification stuff like audio alert, bounce the dock icon, etc. |
| 19:41 |
|
mc |
i see the homepage |
| 19:42 |
|
mc |
yeah ... alerts are nice |
| 20:10 |
|
chris |
i still use irssi and screen :) |
| 20:10 |
|
mc |
hehe |
| 20:10 |
|
chris |
i can even make it play nice with libnotify |
| 20:11 |
|
mc |
i'll back on it |
| 20:12 |
|
mc |
when i'll find a new server to host it |
| 20:12 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 20:12 |
|
chris |
i run it on my server at home |
| 20:12 |
|
chris |
which is on a pretty reliable cable modem connection |
| 20:12 |
|
mc |
well .. i don't trust my isp enought to do it |
| 20:13 |
|
owen |
if finesMode is OFF, could we safely hide fines-related elements of the interface? (charges column, dropbox mode, etc) |
| 20:14 |
|
mc |
damn it! i just spoke about my isp relability and their nntp server just shut down :( |
| 20:14 |
|
chris |
is that only ever used for fines? |
| 20:14 |
|
chris |
not rental charges also? |
| 20:14 |
|
owen |
Hmm... good point. |
| 20:15 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 20:16 |
|
owen |
I just wish there was a good way to hide some of this stuff if it's not relevant to your library |
| 20:16 |
|
chris |
yeah if we had a pref that was no rental charges |
| 20:16 |
|
chris |
then if you had both those on, then you could turn that off |
| 20:17 |
|
chris |
or "display money (or a better word) information" |
| 20:17 |
|
chris |
toggle that off, you dont see fines or charges |
| 20:17 |
|
chris |
? |
| 20:17 |
|
chris |
or even cooler |
| 20:18 |
|
chris |
with some ajax/css have a checkbox on that part of the screen |
| 20:18 |
|
chris |
and you turn it off, and it minimises :) |
| 20:20 |
|
chris |
store it in the preferences for the user (librarian) |
| 20:20 |
|
chris |
so that it stays off until they toggle it back on |
| 20:20 |
|
owen |
Dismissing it permanently? Do you set a cookie, or something in the database? |
| 20:20 |
|
DECUIR |
hello im com back one time more |
| 20:20 |
|
DECUIR |
:P |
| 20:20 |
|
chris |
you could do either, cookie will just last for that session |
| 20:21 |
|
chris |
if you store in the db, then next session it will still be minimise (you can always expand it again) |
| 20:21 |
|
owen |
Does your project store it in the database? |
| 20:22 |
|
chris |
if the person has logged in, yes |
| 20:22 |
|
owen |
doesn't that significantly increase database queries? |
| 20:22 |
|
chris |
if they are surfing the site anonymously then no |
| 20:22 |
|
chris |
nope, cos you use the cookie |
| 20:22 |
|
chris |
2 queries, 1 to set in the db, then you just use the cookie from then on |
| 20:23 |
|
chris |
or 1 to fetch from db, then u set and use the cookie |
| 20:23 |
|
DECUIR |
how to use sms service in koha how to work??? |
| 20:24 |
|
chris |
decuir: i dont know how it works in 3.0 in the old days we just used to get koha to send emails to an email->sms gateway and it would send the sms |
| 20:24 |
|
chris |
owen: does that make sense? (we also have a couple of layers of caching between the web app and the db also) |
| 20:25 |
|
chris |
owen: so you only talk to the db (or in our case memcached) when the session begins, or ends |
| 20:25 |
|
chris |
the rest of the time u use the cookie |
| 20:27 |
|
DECUIR |
ok and where is the opccion to send sms |
| 20:27 |
|
chris |
bbl, have a good weekend all |
| 20:30 |
|
owen |
DECUIR: I think you should figure out how to check books out before you try to set up SMS |
| 20:33 |
|
DECUIR |
yes i check books |
| 20:34 |
|
DECUIR |
i completed that |
| 20:48 |
|
owen |
Hi Sharon, how's everything going? |
| 20:49 |
|
Sharon |
good. I had a question. Are there plans for sound cues in the staff client, to give feedback to staff about transaction errors? |
| 20:52 |
|
owen |
The issue has been raised, and a solution has been offered that would incorporate a small embedded flash file to play the sound |
| 20:52 |
|
owen |
I'm not sure what the status is, though |
| 20:52 |
|
owen |
That particular solution was offered specifically for circ. I suppose it could be adapted for check-ins too. Not sure if there's any place else it would be required. |
| 20:53 |
|
mc |
DECUIR: koha macports installation notes: |
| 20:53 |
|
mc |
http://mc.koha-fr.org/mac/ports/ |
| 20:53 |
|
owen |
Sharon: would you expect your libraries to have the Flash plugin installed? |
| 20:53 |
|
mc |
note it's a WIP! please report bugs and propose patches |
| 20:54 |
|
Sharon |
most of the staff stations have flash, yes. |
| 20:55 |
|
Sharon |
the staff just want auditory feedback, so they don't have to look at the screen after each scan of a barcode. |
| 20:55 |
|
mc |
is there an svg version of the koha logo ? |
| 21:05 |
|
nicomo |
mc : not that i know of |
| 21:05 |
|
nicomo |
I asked rach once and she could not provide me with one... |
| 21:06 |
|
owen |
I might have a version on a different computer, and I'm going to email it to mc if so |
| 21:06 |
|
nicomo |
ah, owen I'd be interested in getting a copy too |
| 21:06 |
|
owen |
rach should be the one with an "original" version of the logo, although maybe not svg |
| 21:06 |
|
nicomo |
is that at all possible? |
| 21:24 |
|
owen |
atz_: you around? |
| 21:25 |
|
atz_ |
? |
| 21:26 |
|
owen |
Hi atz_ . Do I remember right that you submitted a patch to put the search box onto opac-search.pl? |
| 21:26 |
|
owen |
I mean the resident search box, which right now is hidden only on that page |
| 21:27 |
|
atz_ |
maybe... |
| 21:27 |
|
atz_ |
my patch that I remember made the links at the top display |
| 21:28 |
|
gmcharlt |
atz_ did do a patch to always display the adv search link, including when on the adv search page |
| 21:28 |
|
atz_ |
i don't recall the search being part of it |
| 21:28 |
|
owen |
Okay, I must have made that up |
| 21:29 |
|
gmcharlt |
owen: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]070b9e683e16cb793 ? |
| 21:30 |
|
owen |
Yeah, that's the commit I remember. Thanks. |
| 21:31 |
|
nicomo |
would be nice, though, to have that search box there on opac-search.pl |
| 21:31 |
|
nicomo |
I'm about to enter a bug to have the Cart and Lists buttons restored to that page as well: should I? |
| 21:33 |
|
owen |
nicomo: I think so |
| 21:33 |
|
DECUIR |
in the moment to insert a image .jpg in the patrons appear one error |
| 21:33 |
|
DECUIR |
koha error in line 242 |
| 21:33 |
|
DECUIR |
and i dont know for what |
| 21:34 |
|
owen |
The reason the search box is not displayed on opac-search.pl is to prevent confusion about what constitutes the main focus of the page |
| 21:35 |
|
nicomo |
yes, but it should be weighted against the problem of having UI inconsistency : that masthead never changes, except here, which is odd for the patron |
| 21:36 |
|
nicomo |
I'll enter the bug about the missing buttons and put you in CC owen |
| 21:36 |
|
owen |
Normally I would agree, but we've gotten feedback from users suggesting that it does cause confusion |
| 21:37 |
|
nicomo |
hum... it's a tricky one I guess: glass half full, half empty sort of thing |
| 21:39 |
|
gmcharlt |
perhaps deafult to keep it displayed (like Amazon), with syspref to hide it |
| 21:39 |
|
gmcharlt |
or vice-versa |
| 21:42 |
|
chris |
back |
| 22:03 |
|
acmoore |
atz_: you around? |
| 22:04 |
|
atz_ |
? |
| 22:04 |
|
acmoore |
I saw your patch with the script demonstrating different CSV modules. |
| 22:04 |
|
acmoore |
that looks like interesting stuff to investigate. |
| 22:05 |
|
acmoore |
so, do you know why it is that we require two different CSV modules? |
| 22:05 |
|
atz_ |
that kind of thing will come up a lot w/ any input/output mechanism... like sendmail |
| 22:05 |
|
acmoore |
Text::CSV and Text::CSV_XS? |
| 22:05 |
|
atz_ |
Text::CSV uses CSV_XS in binary mode |
| 22:06 |
|
atz_ |
so basically we're saying we require Text::CSV in binary mode |
| 22:06 |
|
acmoore |
oh, no kidding? oh, good. |
| 22:08 |
|
acmoore |
that patch is just for demonstratoin purposes, isn't it? Do you expect it to be committed to the head? |
| 22:08 |
|
atz_ |
yeah, i think it doesn't make sense to keep it somewhere else. |
| 22:09 |
|
atz_ |
i think of it as executable documentation |
| 22:09 |
|
chris |
could put it in a branch, its tres easy to merge back from a branch at a later point |
| 22:13 |
|
gmcharlt |
as "executable doc", somewhere under misc/ or on the wiki seems good |
| 22:15 |
|
chris |
gmcharlt: im just about to send through a patch with updated italian .po files |
| 22:15 |
|
gmcharlt |
chris: ok, thanks |
| 22:20 |
|
acmoore |
gmcharlt and atz: or maybe in xt/other or xt/misc or something, since it's test code. But, I don't mind really. |
| 22:20 |
|
acmoore |
I'm headed out. See y'all next week. |
| 22:20 |
|
atz_ |
acmoore: i created a directory under t/other |
| 22:20 |
|
atz_ |
so it does not affect make test |
| 22:20 |
|
gmcharlt |
cya acmoore |
| 22:21 |
|
atz_ |
on the wiki, of course, it is useless |
| 22:21 |
|
atz_ |
feel free to git mv it wherever in the tree you think is good |
| 22:44 |
|
mc |
'night all |
| 23:16 |
|
slef |
mc gone? |
| 23:17 |
|
hdl_laptop |
slef: it is midnight in france. |
| 23:17 |
|
hdl_laptop |
So I guess yes. |
| 23:20 |
|
chris |
hows the hackfest going hdl? |
| 23:28 |
|
hdl_laptop |
good. |
| 04:53 |
|
Amit |
hi hdl |
