| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 13:46 |
|
gmcharlt |
greetings |
| 13:53 |
|
acmoore |
gmcharlt: It looks like Vincent is giving us lots of recommendations to clean up our organization and install process to make it easier to package on debian. |
| 13:54 |
|
gmcharlt |
acmoore: yes, I see that |
| 13:54 |
|
acmoore |
I hope we can accomodate some of those suggestions. We could use some more improvement in that area! |
| 13:54 |
|
acmoore |
One thing I'm surprised he didn't mention is the huge number of duplicate files that we end up with due to different languages. |
| 13:55 |
|
gmcharlt |
he did wrt to the Javascript libraries |
| 13:56 |
|
acmoore |
oh yeah. I guess those are the large ones, anyway. |
| 13:57 |
|
acmoore |
I briefly looked at some of the thigns we could do to put Koha on CPAN. One thing I noticed is that our distribution would be one of the largest things on there since we have so much non-perl stuff like images and HTML templates and such that get duplicated. |
| 13:58 |
|
acmoore |
It still bugs me that we distribute the entire set of item icons twice, once for each interface. |
| 14:01 |
|
atz |
acmoore: it should be easy enough to have a koha-tmpl/common directory |
| 14:01 |
|
atz |
and two ScriptAlias lines in the Apache config |
| 14:06 |
|
acmoore_ |
atz: if we had a tmpl/common directory, then we'd duplicate them at insall time, right? |
| 14:06 |
|
acmoore_ |
I think that would be an improvement. |
| 14:06 |
|
atz |
acmoore_: no duplication, unless installing more than once |
| 14:07 |
|
atz |
the apache configs would both point to the same directory |
| 14:07 |
|
acmoore_ |
ah, so both apache virtualhosts would be looking for some files in the same direcotry? |
| 14:07 |
|
atz |
right |
| 14:07 |
|
acmoore_ |
yeah, that could work, too. |
| 14:07 |
|
gmcharlt |
duplication of common would be needed only during a split-server install |
| 14:08 |
|
acmoore_ |
we'd have to change some things in the actual templates, then. Such as the path to some icons may becoming src="/common/icons/foo.png" or somesuch. |
| 14:08 |
|
acmoore_ |
duplicating during install may avoid some of that. |
| 14:11 |
|
hdl |
hi |
| 14:15 |
|
acmoore |
hi hdl. |
| 14:21 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi hdl |
| 14:22 |
|
atz |
vincent's comment about inode vs. filename order is particularly apt! |
| 14:51 |
|
MikeC_Jones |
good morning/afternoon |
| 14:53 |
|
MikeC_Jones |
My library system is going to be using Koha with a Google App, and I was wondering...what's the preferred Linux distro for Koha? |
| 14:53 |
|
hdl |
debian |
| 14:53 |
|
mc |
debian++ |
| 14:53 |
|
mc |
hdl, is that official ? |
| 14:54 |
|
hdl |
Not official. |
| 14:54 |
|
mc |
ok |
| 14:54 |
|
hdl |
But since INSTALL.debian is the most uptodate + work in progress to build a debian package, |
| 14:55 |
|
hdl |
I think it is quite sensible. |
| 14:55 |
|
mc |
yep ... |
| 14:55 |
|
MikeC_Jones |
Sounds good to me. Had to convince my boss to let me blast the server and get rid of RH EL |
| 14:56 |
|
mc |
that's why i wonder if an additionnal message in the INSTALL file would be welcomed |
| 14:56 |
|
mc |
welcame ? |
| 14:56 |
|
MikeC_Jones |
Is the support there for ia64? The server I'll be using is a 3.2GHz Xeon |
| 14:58 |
|
atz |
yes, 64 bit architecture is supported. |
| 14:58 |
|
mc |
MikeC_Jones, koha is built on perl libs, mysql and zebra |
| 14:58 |
|
mc |
so i think ... ah .. atz replies :) |
| 15:01 |
|
MikeC_Jones |
this is a new world for me. i do run linux on my work desktop, but going this deep with perl and everything is going to be a learning experience for me |
| 15:03 |
|
MikeC_Jones |
and unfortunately I suffer from experiences with Windows 64-bit and the horrible experience that is |
| 15:12 |
|
rhcl |
Didn't/doesn't Red Hat have an indexing engine that does something similar to Zebra? |
| 15:15 |
|
MikeC_Jones |
I'm not sure. We have RH running on 2 web servers, but that's all they do. It's been tough for me to really have time to learn since up until now, I've been distracted by doing tech support |
| 15:15 |
|
MikeC_Jones |
They're just taking that off my shoulders to let me focus |
| 15:17 |
|
MikeC_Jones |
Time to go blast this server |
| 15:19 |
|
rhcl |
I was just musing...a quick glance of the koha mailing list seems to indicate (from a very quick glance--no statistical analysis) that Zebra generates a lot of problems, and I know we had probs with it when trying to do our first 4 or 5 Koha installs. |
| 15:22 |
|
owen |
liz: are you around? |
| 15:23 |
|
liz |
Owen: yeppers |
| 15:23 |
|
owen |
Hi. I'm wondering if any of your libraries charge overdue fines? |
| 15:23 |
|
liz |
yea, 3 of our libraries do |
| 15:24 |
|
owen |
Have you gotten any feedback from them about how Koha's working in that regard? |
| 15:24 |
|
liz |
we desperately need to be able to pay partial fines, and print receipts for fines |
| 15:25 |
|
owen |
Yeah, that partial payment thing is a real pain |
| 15:25 |
|
nengard |
owen liz is there an enhancement request for that in place? |
| 15:25 |
|
nengard |
I've heard that from lots of librarians |
| 15:26 |
|
owen |
I was just looking at the opac-user page where it lists what is checked out, and there's a column labeled "fines" which says either Yes or No. I'm wondering if that's even helpful |
| 15:26 |
|
liz |
hm lemme look at that |
| 15:26 |
|
owen |
Is it worth noting that there are fines if it doesn't list the actual fine? |
| 15:26 |
|
liz |
i haven't heard anything about that yet, but yea, I would wonder the same thing |
| 15:27 |
|
liz |
I would think it would be better to show what the fines are |
| 15:28 |
|
liz |
the whole fines system could stand to be revamped to make it more like accounting, rather than "fine events" |
| 15:28 |
|
owen |
My library doesn't charge fines, though, so we've never had a vested interest in funding any changes |
| 15:29 |
|
liz |
makes sense |
| 15:29 |
|
owen |
In fact we tell our librarians not to do any kind of monetary transaction in Koha (like paying for lost books) |
| 15:29 |
|
liz |
interesting |
| 15:30 |
|
Sharon |
one of our libraries doesn't have a cash register - they use the ILS to record fine income! |
| 15:30 |
|
owen |
I keep hoping for a critical mass of Koha libraries to say 'Hey, this doesn't work right!' |
| 15:31 |
|
liz |
lol we'll volunteer |
| 15:31 |
|
liz |
we're opinionated |
| 15:33 |
|
nengard |
hehe |
| 15:33 |
|
nengard |
i've had a few libraries that i train say that |
| 15:48 |
|
owen |
anyone here up to date on item type image handling? |
| 16:22 |
|
kados |
owen: I'm reasonably well versed in it |
| 16:22 |
|
owen |
Hi kados |
| 16:23 |
|
kados |
hiya |
| 16:23 |
|
owen |
I just sent an email to koha-devel with a couple of questions about opac-user |
| 16:24 |
|
kados |
hmmm, I don't recall item types being a fall back for book covers |
| 16:24 |
|
kados |
that doesn't seem terribly useful |
| 16:26 |
|
owen |
kados, what about the question of item-level_itype and icon display? |
| 16:27 |
|
kados |
owen: I sent a response to that one on-list |
| 18:03 |
|
kados |
hey brendan |
| 18:03 |
|
kados |
dou! |
| 18:05 |
|
kados |
hey brendan |
| 18:06 |
|
brendan |
Hey -- |
| 18:54 |
|
nengard |
survey closes tomorrow - make sure you fill it out: http://blogs.liblime.com/open-sesame/archives/139 |
| 18:55 |
|
kados |
nengard: feel free to guilt trip the koha list too ;-) |
| 18:55 |
|
nengard |
hehe |
| 18:55 |
|
nengard |
okey dokey |
| 19:23 |
|
brendan |
Hey all --- Just joined the group today and wanted to introduce myself -- Brendan A. Gallagher from Connecticut, USA, currently testing Koha and learning some programming. I've also got a question: I've imported the same set of Marc records twice into the database (once, through the manage marc imports and once through bulkmarcimport.pl -- so I really want 60,000 items but have 120,000 -- all with koha-biblio-numbers). I've thought o |
| 19:24 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi brendan |
| 19:25 |
|
gmcharlt |
question got cut off - need to use slightly shorter messages per line |
| 19:26 |
|
brendan |
ok thanks |
| 19:27 |
|
brendan |
bulmarcimport.pl -d vs. mysql query -- for bulk delete |
| 19:28 |
|
brendan |
will the bulkmarcimport delete all items (including the ones that have transactions attached to them?) |
| 19:30 |
|
brendan |
found what I was looking for in the archives -- thanks all --- look forward to chatting in the future.... |
| 19:30 |
|
gmcharlt |
brendan: yes, would delete all items |
| 19:31 |
|
gmcharlt |
circ transactions (issues rows) would remain behind, but with itemnumber set to null |
| 19:31 |
|
brendan |
thanks |
| 19:32 |
|
brendan |
would removing the itemnumber (clearing that table) -- have the same effect? |
| 19:32 |
|
gmcharlt |
you'd probably want to truncate issues after doing bulkmarcimport -d |
| 19:45 |
|
danny |
after you run a git fetch and git pull --rebase to upgrade a previous version of koha, do you need to run perl Makefile.PL again? |
| 19:46 |
|
gmcharlt |
if you're running in dev mode, generally not unless something like the Zebra configs have changed |
| 19:46 |
|
danny |
ok, we are running in dev mode |
| 20:19 |
|
chris |
morning |
| 20:29 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi chris |
| 20:29 |
|
chris |
heya gmcharlt howd the packing go? |
| 20:30 |
|
gmcharlt |
it's going ;) |
| 20:31 |
|
chris |
:) |
