| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 13:46 |
|
hdl |
I couldnot see it in my box. |
| 13:46 |
|
hdl |
thx gmcharlt |
| 13:49 |
|
owen |
nengard: I can confirm that AmazonSimilarItems requires AmazonContent to be turned on |
| 13:50 |
|
nengard |
okey dokey!! |
| 13:52 |
|
atz |
512 translations? |
| 13:53 |
|
nengard |
at i hope not - owen that's not good |
| 13:53 |
|
nengard |
manual updated |
| 13:53 |
|
owen |
http://oleonard.dev.kohalibrar[…]l?biblionumber=92 |
| 13:53 |
|
nengard |
ewww |
| 13:54 |
|
owen |
That's not even a title in my database. |
| 13:55 |
|
atz |
that doesn't make any sense |
| 13:55 |
|
atz |
links back to biblionumber 5... "Stand tall, Molly Lou Melon" |
| 13:56 |
|
atz |
When was the "Similar Items" feature introduced? |
| 13:56 |
|
owen |
The biblionumbers are sequential as you go down the list |
| 13:56 |
|
lloyd_ |
before alpha |
| 13:57 |
|
owen |
But it's not happening with everything: http://oleonard.dev.kohalibrar[…]l?biblionumber=85 |
| 13:58 |
|
atz |
owen: and what kind of intelligence establishes the "similarity" relationship? |
| 13:58 |
|
owen |
Amazon |
| 13:58 |
|
atz |
xISBN or something? |
| 13:59 |
|
atz |
ah |
| 14:03 |
|
atz |
owen: perhaps the odd isbn breaks the recursion? namely "0553156993 | 0" |
| 14:04 |
|
nengard |
owen - your shelf browser is showing dup images ... on that last link you sent |
| 14:05 |
|
owen |
Sure, that's because I have Amazon and GoogleJackets on at the same time :) |
| 14:05 |
|
nengard |
ahhh |
| 14:05 |
|
nengard |
okay |
| 14:07 |
|
nengard |
unrelated question - can one of you send me a screenshot the fines page for a patron who has overdue items? I don't need to see patron's info - just the account section on their profile on staff side ... I want to see what an overdue line looks like on a profile so I can document it |
| 14:08 |
|
nengard |
nce liblime.com |
| 14:19 |
|
owen |
atz, what was it we had to do in order to be able to use HTML::Template's variables like EVEN and ODD? |
| 14:20 |
|
atz |
change the constructor call to H:T:P |
| 14:20 |
|
atz |
to include loop_context_vars=>1 |
| 14:21 |
|
owen |
Can that be done on a per-script basis? Does that introduce a lot more overhead? |
| 14:21 |
|
atz |
i think the overhead is minor |
| 14:21 |
|
atz |
and no, currently we have one constructor for everything |
| 14:22 |
|
atz |
in the long run whatever overhead there is will be better than our current many reproductions of toggle/highlight/counter code |
| 14:23 |
|
owen |
So the switch should incorporate changes to all scripts that incorporate that stuff |
| 14:24 |
|
atz |
owen: unlikely to occur simultaneously since different terminology and style are used for the same things |
| 15:01 |
|
hdl |
owen : why is there no way to select only his own suggestion on opac-suggestion.pl anymore ? |
| 15:03 |
|
owen |
I don't know |
| 15:05 |
|
hdl |
Because some customers were quite pleased to filter suggestions and now, it is not possible. |
| 15:06 |
|
hdl |
More OPAC updates, including changes to how virtual shelves and suggestions links ... |
| 15:06 |
|
hdl |
This feature disappeared in this commit in November 27 |
| 15:09 |
|
hdl |
No. |
| 15:10 |
|
hdl |
In fact, it is displaying all users suggestions when it is said to display ONLY your suggestions. |
| 15:11 |
|
nengard |
no one answered - can anyone do this? |
| 15:11 |
|
nengard |
unrelated question - can one of you send me a screenshot the fines page for a patron who has overdue items? I don't need to see patron's info - just the account section on their profile on staff side ... I want to see what an overdue line looks like on a profile so I can document it |
| 15:11 |
|
nengard |
<nengard> nceliblime.com |
| 15:11 |
|
owen |
Sorry nengard, I don't have data with fines either. |
| 15:11 |
|
nengard |
:( oh poo |
| 15:12 |
|
owen |
hdl: OPACViewOthersSuggestions os turned on? |
| 15:12 |
|
hdl |
OFF |
| 15:12 |
|
hdl |
owen is a happy man ;) |
| 15:15 |
|
nengard |
hdl i agree |
| 15:15 |
|
nengard |
there is a bit of a mess going on there |
| 15:24 |
|
owen |
hdl, is this the commit you're referring to? http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]ec4addbf82#patch8 |
| 15:25 |
|
hdl |
owen In fact, i have searched too fast. |
| 15:25 |
|
hdl |
was this commit Adding check all/none controls to opac suggestions, following opac shelves interface. |
| 15:25 |
|
hdl |
I think. |
| 15:26 |
|
hdl |
That changed OPAC suggestion behaviour. |
| 15:26 |
|
hdl |
But I will cope with that. |
| 15:26 |
|
owen |
that just added the "check all" buttons and moved teh "new suggestion" link |
| 15:27 |
|
owen |
Are you remembering tabs that showed "suggetions" and "my suggestions" ? |
| 15:28 |
|
hdl |
tabs ? |
| 15:28 |
|
hdl |
it was simply filtering. |
| 15:28 |
|
owen |
A search form? |
| 15:33 |
|
hdl |
it is quite weird. |
| 15:33 |
|
hdl |
When there are no pending suggestions, you cannot create one. |
| 15:33 |
|
owen |
I submitted a patch for that recently...didn't I? |
| 15:36 |
|
owen |
http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]c3419bd64bcd0ccdd |
| 15:57 |
|
owen |
hdl: I'm not finding that it's showing me suggestions other than my own |
| 15:59 |
|
owen |
hdl: I had hidden the "filter suggestions" form if OPACViewOthersSuggestions is turned off. I thought this was justified because it includes a "suggested by anyone" choice |
| 16:00 |
|
lloyd_ |
mmm anybody know why mason's permissions patch hasn't been accepted yet? |
| 16:27 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi kados |
| 16:43 |
|
hdl |
hi kados |
| 16:44 |
|
owen |
Hi kados |
| 17:41 |
|
kados |
owen: got a sec? |
| 17:41 |
|
owen |
Yes |
| 17:41 |
|
kados |
for some reason, the acquisitions and serials links are showing up for staff that don't have access to them |
| 17:41 |
|
kados |
on the dashboard and on the more dropdown |
| 17:42 |
|
kados |
owen: I'm happy to fix that, just wanted to make sure you wern't working on it already to avoid conflict |
| 17:43 |
|
owen |
Did that permissions variable change? |
| 17:43 |
|
kados |
not that I'm aware of |
| 17:44 |
|
owen |
Those links are wrapped in <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="CAN_user_editcatalogue" --> |
| 17:44 |
|
kados |
yea, the serials one needs to be added in the serials and ditto with acquisitions |
| 17:44 |
|
kados |
I'll take care of it |
| 17:45 |
|
kados |
CAN_user_acquisition and CAN_user_serials |
| 17:53 |
|
kados |
owen: any reason for mainmenu.inc to stick around? |
| 17:54 |
|
owen |
No |
| 17:54 |
|
kados |
owen: looks like it's being used in a couple places still, but not sure if that's deprecated |
| 17:54 |
|
kados |
grep -r mainmenu.inc * |
| 17:54 |
|
kados |
modules/maint/catmaintain.tmpl:<!-- TMPL_INCLUDE NAME="mainmenu.inc" --> |
| 17:54 |
|
kados |
modules/cataloguing/additem-nomarc.tmpl:<!-- TMPL_INCLUDE NAME="mainmenu.inc" --> |
| 17:54 |
|
kados |
modules/cataloguing/addbiblio-nomarc.tmpl:<!-- TMPL_INCLUDE NAME="mainmenu.inc" --> |
| 17:54 |
|
kados |
modules/authorities/detail.tmpl:<!-- TMPL_INCLUDE NAME="mainmenu.inc" --> |
| 17:54 |
|
kados |
modules/catalogue/dictionary.tmpl:<!-- TMPL_INCLUDE NAME="mainmenu.inc" --> |
| 17:54 |
|
kados |
modules/catalogue/suggest.tmpl:<!-- TMPL_INCLUDE NAME="mainmenu.inc" --> |
| 17:54 |
|
kados |
owen: can I just replace all of those with header.inc? |
| 17:55 |
|
owen |
No, it doesn't work that way. |
| 17:55 |
|
owen |
Is catmaintain.tmpl still used? |
| 17:55 |
|
owen |
And those -nomarc files? |
| 17:56 |
|
kados |
don't think so |
| 17:56 |
|
kados |
catmaintain was for managing deleted bibs and items |
| 17:56 |
|
kados |
we should retain it, for future integration |
| 17:56 |
|
kados |
the nomarc tmpls can be removed afaik |
| 17:56 |
|
kados |
dictionary.tmpl should proabbly be retained |
| 17:57 |
|
kados |
not sure what suggest.tmpl is ... is that suggestions management for acquisitions? |
| 17:57 |
|
owen |
Take a look...I'm not sure what that is |
| 17:58 |
|
kados |
/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/suggest.pl doesn't work |
| 17:58 |
|
kados |
Undefined subroutine &main::findsuggestion called at /home/jmf/repos/koha-rm-test.git/catalogue/suggest.pl line 39. |
| 17:58 |
|
kados |
paul, hdl any ideas what suggest.pl is? |
| 17:59 |
|
kados |
it's not linked to from anywhere, I'd say we can remove it |
| 18:00 |
|
kados |
owen: so I think only authorities/detail.pl needs to be updated to remove mainmenu.inc |
| 18:00 |
|
kados |
the others can probably be ignored for now, or removed |
| 18:49 |
|
kados |
owen: got a sec? |
| 18:49 |
|
kados |
owen: I'm on bug duty today and have a questiona bout 1824 |
| 18:49 |
|
owen |
Yes |
| 18:50 |
|
kados |
darrell submitted a patch for this, but I'm not clear whether it will work as NPL expects |
| 18:51 |
|
owen |
What is it doing? |
| 18:51 |
|
kados |
well, it's been pushed afaik |
| 18:53 |
|
kados |
I'm guessing the branch specification isn't good enough for NPl yet |
| 18:53 |
|
owen |
Is it doing any branch specification? |
| 18:53 |
|
kados |
http://staff-jmf.dev.kohalibra[…]endingreserves.pl |
| 18:53 |
|
kados |
sort of ... |
| 18:53 |
|
kados |
admin / demo |
| 18:54 |
|
kados |
does NPL's queue change from day to day? |
| 18:54 |
|
owen |
Yes |
| 18:54 |
|
kados |
ie, if a book is targeted for a specific branch, and isn't filled the first day, is it bumped to the next branch? |
| 18:54 |
|
owen |
Only if the first branch's copy has been made lost |
| 18:55 |
|
kados |
gotcha |
| 18:55 |
|
kados |
ok, so I'm guessing this won't really work for NPL then as implemented |
| 18:55 |
|
owen |
Doesn't NPL's reserves script do some kind of branch prioritization? |
| 18:55 |
|
kados |
as it doesn't have that targeting capability |
| 18:55 |
|
kados |
owen: yea, it's a static definition |
| 20:12 |
|
nengard |
hdl i'm reading through commits to update manual and see this one: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]142ddefaa4419b375 what does this sys preference do? |
| 20:14 |
|
kados |
nengard: I can answer that |
| 20:15 |
|
kados |
nengard: it's to p romote some tie-in between serials and acquisitions |
| 20:15 |
|
nengard |
okay |
| 20:15 |
|
nengard |
kados - so how does it work? what does it do? |
| 20:15 |
|
kados |
nengard: if you renew a serial subscription, it generates a suggestion so the selector knows to order it |
| 20:15 |
|
nengard |
Oh! |
| 20:15 |
|
nengard |
neat |
| 20:15 |
|
nengard |
why is it Local Use? |
| 20:15 |
|
kados |
what does Local Use mean? |
| 20:17 |
|
nengard |
kados it's under the local use tab on the admin > general preferences |
| 20:17 |
|
kados |
ahh ... because hdl forgot to assign it to a tab |
| 20:23 |
|
nengard |
kados should I report it? hdl are you around? (probably not - it's late in France) |
| 20:24 |
|
kados |
nengard: I'll take care of it |
| 20:24 |
|
nengard |
thanks kados - where will it go? so i can update the manual |
| 20:25 |
|
kados |
nengard: Acquisitions tab |
| 20:26 |
|
nengard |
well - that makes sense :) |
| 20:26 |
|
kados |
:) |
| 23:02 |
|
atz |
wow... just saw the announcement of OCLC xOCLCnum service |
| 23:02 |
|
atz |
5 times as many targets as xISBN |
| 23:28 |
|
kados |
yea, that's pretty interesting |
| 23:29 |
|
kados |
with very minor tweaks we could turn that on |
| 23:29 |
|
kados |
but it sorta assumes you use oclc records |
| 23:29 |
|
atz |
right, you still need a starting point OCLCnum |
| 23:30 |
|
atz |
but given that service, it seems like a valuable identifier to have |
| 01:40 |
|
owen |
g'nite #koha |
| 09:51 |
|
kados |
hi paul |
| 09:51 |
|
paul |
hi joshua |
| 09:51 |
|
kados |
so ... I count 40 bugs with blocker, critical and major |
| 09:51 |
|
kados |
http://tinyurl.com/5hysmf |
| 09:52 |
|
kados |
+ there are still pretty serious issues with the holds process, fines management, notices, and reports that will make Koha inadequate for most US libraries |
| 09:52 |
|
kados |
holds works perfectly for a single-branch library, but we have to do a workaround for multi-branch libraries |
| 09:53 |
|
kados |
also, we don't have many clients using acquisitions, but I know there are some outstanding and perhaps unreported issues there |
| 09:53 |
|
kados |
paul: so I'm curious if you would recommend a release before or after these issues are fixed |
| 09:54 |
|
paul |
it depends on how many time is needed to fix them ;-) |
| 09:54 |
|
paul |
+ for some of them, I think the description is very obscure & I personnaly don't see how to fix /what to fix |
| 09:54 |
|
paul |
for example #1532 (the 1st one) |
| 09:55 |
|
kados |
yep, that's a poor bug report |
| 09:55 |
|
kados |
but it has to do with the holds problems I mention above |
| 09:55 |
|
kados |
in US libraries, holds are managed in a queue |
| 09:55 |
|
kados |
and libraries that own a title are targeted until they say they don't have that item available, then another library is targeted |
| 09:56 |
|
kados |
rather than the Koha approach of broadcasting the hold to all libraries |
| 09:56 |
|
kados |
so NPL for instance, has a holds queue table that is updated every 10 minutes |
| 09:57 |
|
paul |
so it means that the '1st to pick it' as done with Koha atm is not what they need ? |
| 09:57 |
|
kados |
correct |
| 09:57 |
|
kados |
in fact, I can say that 99% of US libraries would be very unhappy with this broadcast 1st to pick it approach |
| 09:58 |
|
paul |
too bad... that will be hard to change... |
| 09:58 |
|
kados |
we can implement NPL's workaround, but it will be a dirty solution |
| 09:58 |
|
kados |
just imagine howard county for instance ... they often have 3-400 holds on a single title |
| 09:58 |
|
paul |
and changing completly the behaviour is a long term & hard solution |
| 09:59 |
|
paul |
3-400 hold on a single title ???????? |
| 09:59 |
|
paul |
wow ! |
| 09:59 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 09:59 |
|
paul |
most libraries here limit the number of holds possible to a given item, to avoid ppl having to wait for 5months to get a book |
| 10:00 |
|
paul |
in fact they still will have to wait 5 months, but the hold won't be pending for 5 months ;-) |
| 10:00 |
|
kados |
:) |
| 10:01 |
|
kados |
paul: so holds is a special case as you are happy with it and US libraries aren't |
| 10:01 |
|
kados |
paul: lets ignore that one for now ... we can implement our workaround if need be |
| 10:01 |
|
paul |
yep. |
| 10:01 |
|
kados |
paul: what about the rest of the issues ... fines, reports, notices, and the 40 bugs |
| 10:02 |
|
kados |
surely french libraries will have a problem with many of these |
| 10:02 |
|
kados |
like shipping costs disappearing in acquisitions |
| 10:02 |
|
kados |
1965 |
| 10:02 |
|
paul |
fines, I don't have a library using it. In france, only SAN-OP use them, and they plan to get rid with them. |
| 10:02 |
|
kados |
and 1920: total price not saving to order |
| 10:02 |
|
kados |
oh! |
| 10:02 |
|
kados |
so fines are also a point of contention |
| 10:03 |
|
kados |
!! I begin to see the problem :-) |
| 10:03 |
|
paul |
1965 : unseen, as in France, most libraries have a public contract, and shipping cost is included, so it's always 0 ;-) |
| 10:03 |
|
kados |
:( |
| 10:04 |
|
paul |
1965: joe wrote on march, 6 that he sended a patch. It did not solve this bug ? |
| 10:05 |
|
kados |
no, it did not |
| 10:05 |
|
kados |
and I find additional errors too ... the total isn't updated at all when entering amount |
| 10:05 |
|
paul |
however, I agree with you that such bugs must be fixed. even if we (BibLibre clients) don't suffer of it. |
| 10:06 |
|
kados |
paul: there are 163 'normal' bugs ... can you look at the list and make sure none of them should be major, blocker or critical? |
| 10:07 |
|
kados |
paul: http://tinyurl.com/5apjsy |
| 10:07 |
|
paul |
ok, will try to do that today... added to my very long list of things to do... |
| 10:07 |
|
ewwc |
hello? |
| 10:08 |
|
kados |
paul: I worry about the reports issues too ... I guess French libraries don't need much reporting? |
| 10:08 |
|
paul |
hello ewwc. good morning/evening/afternoon, depending on where you come from. |
| 10:08 |
|
ewwc |
Brunei, its evening here |
| 10:08 |
|
paul |
I fact, I think reports are underused because of their bugs. |
| 10:08 |
|
paul |
not because of no need. |
| 10:09 |
|
paul |
but I think we can release 3.0 and fix those bugs after, in 3.0.1 |
| 10:09 |
|
ewwc |
is this a good place to get help installing koha |
| 10:09 |
|
paul |
as the datas will be saved correctly. |
| 10:09 |
|
paul |
ewwc: probably the best one ;-) |
| 10:10 |
|
ewwc |
well I followed the instructions for ubuntu gutsy but now i get fatal error trap for the last step |
| 10:11 |
|
ewwc |
there are errors when doing the make test for koha |
| 10:12 |
|
ewwc |
I think the errors are negligible as they are for perl modules that were not mentioned in the walkthrough |
| 10:12 |
|
ewwc |
so where did I go wrong? |
| 10:12 |
|
paul |
could you copy/paste the exact error you get ? |
| 10:13 |
|
ewwc |
hold on, let me boot up the ubuntu |
| 10:13 |
|
paul |
kados : it will be time for lunch for me. Go to take a breakfast, we will continue later. |
| 10:13 |
|
kados |
ok |
| 10:15 |
|
ewwc |
which error did you want? |
| 10:15 |
|
ewwc |
the make test one or the other? |
| 10:17 |
|
ewwc |
when I try to go to http://servername:8080 I get production mode - trapped fatal error |
| 10:19 |
|
paul |
ewwc: this error is useless for debugguing. you must go to your logs and investigate here |
| 10:20 |
|
ewwc |
yeah I'm still new to all this |
| 10:20 |
|
ewwc |
which log and where |
| 10:21 |
|
ewwc |
I got this while installing the zebrasrv: - [fatal] lock file /var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/zebrasrv.pid [No such file or directory] |
| 10:22 |
|
ewwc |
I think this might be the culprit |
| 10:22 |
|
paul |
mmm... I don't think so. It will cause a problem later I think. Not when you start koha. |
| 10:22 |
|
ewwc |
>_< |
| 10:22 |
|
paul |
hdl, do you know where the logs are located on a fresh install by default ? |
| 10:23 |
|
paul |
ewwc: in some hours, you could meet gmcharlt here, that should be much more efficient than me on helping you. atm, I think he's still sleeping (US guy) |
| 10:24 |
|
ewwc |
ah |
| 10:24 |
|
ewwc |
couple more hrs more |
| 10:24 |
|
hdl |
var/log |
| 10:24 |
|
hdl |
(in the koha directory) |
| 10:25 |
|
ewwc |
in that case , here's a usge question - is it advisable to run it on Mac? |
| 10:26 |
|
paul |
MAc OS-X, I think it's fine, as it's an unix/linux flavour |
| 10:27 |
|
ewwc |
just a matter of installation procedure then? |
| 10:27 |
|
ewwc |
btw can't find a var directory anywhere in /etc/koha |
| 10:29 |
|
paul |
look in /usr/local/koha |
| 10:31 |
|
ewwc |
nope |
| 10:31 |
|
ewwc |
no such dir |
| 10:31 |
|
ewwc |
tried the home directory |
| 10:31 |
|
ewwc |
nithing there either |
| 10:34 |
|
ewwc |
has anyone succesfully installed koha3 on OSX Leopard? The help file on the koha wiki is out of date |
| 10:34 |
|
paul |
not me (never tried) |
| 10:34 |
|
ewwc |
i think atz helped someone install one (read it in the forum) |
| 10:35 |
|
paul |
atz is from US as well, so probably sleeping (or just awaking & in the bathroom ;-) ) |
| 10:35 |
|
ewwc |
so the best time to catch them is 12 hrs from now, at the end of their day? |
| 10:36 |
|
paul |
nope, in 2-3 hours he should be around |
| 10:36 |
|
ewwc |
ok, guess I'll pop on home for dinner first |
| 11:00 |
|
gmcharlt |
ewcc: about? |
