IRC log for #koha, 2008-05-07

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Time S Nick Message
12:23 hdl hi nengard
12:23 nengard hiya
13:28 kados hdl: can you re-submit your Addressing bug 1782 patch?
13:28 kados hdl: after a rebase
13:30 hdl ok
13:30 hdl have you pushed some patches ?
13:31 kados hdl: I believe so
13:31 kados hdl: the patch you sent didn't apply, is why I ask
13:32 hdl Is it not an encoding problem ?
13:33 hdl resent.
13:34 acmoore I wonder if we would benefit from having one of these bots tell us each time a particular patch was applied.
13:34 hdl git stash ++
13:52 kados hdl: no luck:
13:52 kados error: patch failed: installer/data/mysql/en/mandatory/sysprefs.sql:183
13:52 kados error: installer/data/mysql/en/mandatory/sysprefs.sql: patch does not apply
13:52 kados error: patch failed: installer/data/mysql/fr-FR/1-Obliga​toire/unimarc_standard_systemprefs.sql:185
13:53 kados error: installer/data/mysql/fr-FR/1-Obliga​toire/unimarc_standard_systemprefs.sql: patch does not apply
13:53 kados fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (admin/
13:53 kados Repository lacks necessary blobs to fall back on 3-way merge.
13:53 kados hdl: are you sure you rebased and have submitted all related patches?
13:53 hdl yes I rebased.
13:54 hdl And I had only one patch for that bug.
13:56 kados hdl: there must be something missing ...
13:57 kados hdl: can you try taking a fresh clone and applying it agains
13:59 hdl will do soon.
14:00 hdl I try to solve another big problem
14:28 lloyd_ mmm
14:28 lloyd_ "Circulation and fines rules (alternate layout)" - big improvement over the old method!
14:30 kados lloyd_: depends on who you ask :-)
14:30 lloyd_ well.. It certainly beats the best part of 100 input boxes being on the screen :p
14:31 kados yea ... it's good if you have a lot of item types and/or patron categories
14:31 kados but IMO, most libraries really don't need that many
14:32 kados and now that you can have ccodes and shelf locations defined at the item level
14:32 lloyd_ well the old way is ugly and very unuser friendly
14:32 kados the only purpose of itype at the item level is for circulation codes
14:33 lloyd_ I presume there will be a syspref to show the matrix or the new system?
14:34 kados nope
14:34 kados they are two views of the exact same information
14:35 lloyd_ yea, so surely it makes sense to have an option to show one or the other. Displaying both will just confuse people
14:35 gmcharlt I'd prefer that the older ones get removed at some point
14:36 lloyd_ yah it'd be better to remove it
14:36 lloyd_ but if people are still using it, and want to keep using it
14:38 ryan yes, the sums aren't handled.
14:38 kados and Default isn't either
14:38 kados IIRC
14:38 gmcharlt it should be - * entries
14:39 gmcharlt my real problem with the older ones is bug 2000
14:39 ryan however,  you can't use the matrix if you're using fines and using defaults
14:39 ryan i think we must remove the fines matrix
14:40 ryan and only use the circ matrix if you don't use fines.
14:41 kados I'd be fine with consolidating and removing the old circ and fines matrices
14:41 kados so long as the new ones do all the stame stuff the old ones do
14:41 ryan well, there has to be some solution to 2000.
14:42 ryan so we need to add that functionality to the smartrules.
14:42 gmcharlt I agree, and will work on it as part of some general bugfixing that I'll do later this week
14:43 kados yay
14:43 ryan gmcharlt++
14:44 kados bbl
16:22 nengard zotero question - I don't use this tool much - does anyone know why when you add an item from koha to zotero the view button is grayed out? the only option is to locate and that sends me to worldcat
16:22 nengard also - zotero doesn't seem to be working on but it works on my install
17:20 thd ryan, kados: where is the Liblime 2.2 demo?
18:17 tim I'm working on Koha 3 and the search results in the OPAC don't display call numbers.
18:19 tim It looks like it's supposed to display cn_class and cn_item.
18:20 tim biblioitems.cn_class has a call number in it and biblioitems.cn_items has something, but it's not our call numbers.
18:21 gmcharlt tim: might need some tweaking to display items.itemcallnumber
18:23 tim It seem strange that it's not displaying anything since the fields are filled int the database.
18:45 atz tim: the problem is that in a large system, you might have 40 different libraries w/ 40 different call numbers
18:45 atz there is no 1 call number for a biblio
18:45 atz the old display used to concatenate them all and make one big ugly link out of them
21:02 chris morning
21:06 gmcharlt hi chris
21:06 chris heya galen, hows things?
21:06 gmcharlt pretty good
21:06 gmcharlt loading some data for a customer right now
21:07 chris sweet
21:07 gmcharlt how are things with you?
21:07 chris busy but good, being doing a bunch of work with load balancing, and memcache
21:07 chris learning good tricks
21:07 chris s/being/been/
21:09 gmcharlt cool
21:11 chris memcache will be handy when we get koha playing nice with mod_perl ;)
21:13 chris well we could use it even now actually
21:14 chris run memcached on the opac server(s) so it only needs to talk back to the database server when the object is not cached, or it has expired etc
21:23 gmcharlt looks interesting for caching things like expensive-to-parse bib records and OPAC displays
21:23 chris yep
21:23 gmcharlt would have to be careful (very careful) about caching item info
21:24 chris yep, its the same with the stock exchange
21:24 chris we cant present old data
21:24 chris but there are lots of parts of the page that can be cached
21:25 chris things like first listed date, first traded, trades yesterday etc
21:25 chris instead of pounding oracle a few thousand times every second to get those :)
21:31 gmcharlt heck, not just the database - if we could cache XSLT transformer objects, that would probably be a great win all by itself
21:31 chris very true
21:36 atz gmcharlt: memcached is surprisingly easy to use
21:36 chris heya joe
21:36 chris[…]tar-wars-geekdom/
21:37 atz and it's pretty nice to just be able to throw RAM at a  problem if you choose to
21:38 atz chris: is that $3,800 NZD ?
21:38 atz how much in real money?
21:38 atz :)
21:38 chris what euro? :)
21:38 chris prolly with te
21:39 chris whoops
21:39 atz barrels of oil, more likely....
21:39 chris prolly around 2999
21:39 chris the nz dollar is still pretty high vs the us
21:40 chris 79.20 cents apparently
21:41 chris only a few years ago
21:41 chris we bout 49cents
21:41 chris bought even
21:41 chris thats what g w will do to your economy :-)
21:42 gmcharlt hehe - Canadian dollar too (and that actually worked out to my advantage recently)
21:51 atz yeah, you know times is rough when the loon trumps the greenback
21:53 chris yup
21:53 chris guten abend cait
21:54 cait guten abend chris
21:54 chris or should it be nacht for you?
21:55 cait six minutes to midnight
21:55 chris ahh so morgen for me, nacht for you :)
21:55 cait its late again today - got a package from amazon today... first book finished now. seems im a  real librarian - sometimes.
21:56 cait what time is it for you chris?
21:57 chris 9.57am wednesday
21:58 cait working time, i see
22:04 atz chris: give me $12 Billion USD per month to spend, and I'll show you how to wreck an economy...
22:04 chris lol
22:31 thd does anyone know the current URL for the English Koha 2.2 demo?
22:31 chris not me
08:20 zsh Hi. Does koha have a z39.50 server?
08:23 zsh there is mention of the client in the docs, none(as far as i can see) about the server
08:24 paul hi zsh
08:24 zsh hi paul
08:24 paul koha 3.0 has one, and the best you can have, as it's "shipped" with zebra
08:25 zsh what about 2.2.9?
08:25 paul in 2.2.9 you  can have one, but a very basic one.
08:25 paul I would not recommend it at all
08:26 zsh ok. Merci. :)
08:26 zsh I'll check out koha .0
08:27 zsh 3.0
08:36 Solomon does koha come with an inbuilt z3950 server?
08:36 paul_ hi Solomon. Zsh asked the same question 20m ago !
08:37 paul_ so my answer :
08:37 paul_ koha 3.0 has one, and the best you can have, as it's "shipped" with zebra
08:37 paul_ in 2.2.9 you  can have one, but a very basic one.
08:37 paul_ I would not recommend it at all
11:46 hdl hi nengard
11:46 nengard morning hdl
11:50 paul hi nengard
11:51 nengard morning paul
11:51 nengard how are things across the ocean? :)
11:51 paul (not morning for us, it's alreday finished in France ;-) )
11:51 paul things are really too busy in fact...
11:52 nengard yeah - I'm sure
11:52 nengard i've had too many speaking engagements recently, i'm happy to get to spend the day at home today

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