| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 11:34 |
|
kados |
hdl: are you around? |
| 12:01 |
|
fbcit |
hi kados |
| 12:34 |
|
hdl |
hi kados : now yes. |
| 12:49 |
|
nengard |
hdl and fbcit i think kados is travelling now |
| 12:50 |
|
nengard |
just fyi |
| 12:50 |
|
hdl |
Too bad. |
| 12:51 |
|
fbcit |
nengard: how's that manual coming? :) |
| 12:51 |
|
nengard |
fbcit on hold while i do other work for the minute, but josh installed all patches so i should be back on track on monday |
| 12:52 |
|
hdl |
nengard: were you at openlibrary meeting. |
| 12:53 |
|
nengard |
hdl nope - i was at a meeting in NJ about the next generation academic library system - aka - open source for academic libraries - i'm writing up summaries today from that |
| 12:55 |
|
fbcit |
hi hdl |
| 12:55 |
|
hdl |
hi fbcit. |
| 12:56 |
|
hdl |
owen : why have opacsmallimage disappeared from OPAC ? Is there a reason ? |
| 12:59 |
|
nengard |
hdl & owen - wasn't it the large image that was supposed to diappear? do i need to go back and edit the manual? |
| 12:59 |
|
hdl |
Not at all nengard. |
| 12:59 |
|
nengard |
okey dokey |
| 13:00 |
|
hdl |
But I saw that opacsmallimage seemed not to be used in templates. |
| 13:00 |
|
hdl |
And I wondered if it was a mistake or a purpose. |
| 13:00 |
|
owen |
Is it no longer in masthead.inc? |
| 13:01 |
|
hdl |
Yes. Sorry. |
| 13:02 |
|
hdl |
Some users asked me about that today. I think it is becaus they use an old version. |
| 13:58 |
|
hdl |
hi tinaburger |
| 14:34 |
|
owen |
Testing out jquery table sorting: http://oleonard.dev.kohalibrar[…]es.pl?viewshelf=7 |
| 14:55 |
|
hdl |
owen : that's quite cool. |
| 14:55 |
|
hdl |
Is this a big change ? |
| 14:58 |
|
owen |
It requries the addition of one jquery plugin file, and some javascript added to the page |
| 14:58 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi all |
| 14:59 |
|
gmcharlt |
a new programmer is starting at LL next week |
| 15:00 |
|
gmcharlt |
I'm thinking of starting him off by implementing the Google Book Availability API in the OPAC bib details page (ref http://code.google.com/apis/books/) |
| 15:00 |
|
gmcharlt |
wanted to double-check whether anybody has already started working on it |
| 15:02 |
|
owen |
How about putting him on some bugs first? |
| 15:02 |
|
gmcharlt |
oh, I |
| 15:03 |
|
gmcharlt |
oh I'll do that too, but I think it's important to balance that with giving the new guy an actual feature to implement |
| 15:03 |
|
fbcit |
owen: very smooth! |
| 15:03 |
|
owen |
:) |
| 15:03 |
|
fbcit |
re: table sorting that is, heh |
| 15:04 |
|
fbcit |
hi gmcharlt |
| 15:04 |
|
gmcharlt |
hi fbcit |
| 15:05 |
|
owen |
Oh, yeah fbcit, the tablesorter plugin is very cool and so easy to implement |
| 15:05 |
|
owen |
I added a little function for ignoring articles when sorting, which seems to work well for English, but I'm not sure of the best way to internationalize it |
| 15:05 |
|
owen |
...or even if the whole thing will work with other languages |
| 15:06 |
|
fbcit |
is the entire thing jquery? |
| 15:06 |
|
fbcit |
gmchralt: I think koha needs to integrate with www.bookfinder.com |
| 15:07 |
|
fbcit |
gmcharlt, even |
| 15:07 |
|
owen |
fbcit, the jquery plugin processes the table which is generated by the template. So users with no js will just see the old unsorted table |
| 15:08 |
|
fbcit |
nice |
| 15:08 |
|
gmcharlt |
owen: is the plugin purely client side? or does it have the ability to implement a callback to fetch more data? I'm thinking of a case where the dataset is big enough that only part of it is displayed at any one time |
| 15:10 |
|
owen |
There is a "pager" plugin that will create a paged table for you, but that's if you're outputting the whole thing to the page at once. |
| 15:10 |
|
owen |
I'm sure there are ways to do what you describe, but I haven't gotten that far |
| 15:10 |
|
hdl |
good. |
| 15:12 |
|
owen |
http://tablesorter.com/docs/example-pager.html As you can see, when you use that method you have to wait for the whole table to load first |
| 15:12 |
|
owen |
Seems like that would be useful if you weren't outputting too much data, but had limited space to display it in |
| 15:12 |
|
gmcharlt |
fbcit: re bookfinder.com, wouldn't be hard to provide link from the bib page to the bookfinder results |
| 15:13 |
|
gmcharlt |
not seeing mention of any other kind of API, though |
| 15:13 |
|
fbcit |
I did not see one either |
| 15:13 |
|
fbcit |
but passing in the isbn or... via cgi params would work I think |
| 15:14 |
|
fbcit |
bookfinder searchs other large booksellers, including Amazon, abe, etc. |
| 15:14 |
|
gmcharlt |
yeah: http://www.bookfinder.com/interact/link/search/ |
| 15:14 |
|
owen |
I don't think my commit has been approved yet, but I just added a "search for this title in..." block to opac-detail: http://oleonard.dev.kohalibrar[…]?biblionumber=460 |
| 15:15 |
|
fbcit |
gmcharlt: it does not look too hard to add |
| 15:16 |
|
fbcit |
owen: a bookfinder link would fit nicely there |
| 15:16 |
|
owen |
Also see Bug 1934 |
| 15:16 |
|
gmcharlt |
yeah - build on what owen has done, make sure that common identifiers like ISBN, LCCN, OCLC#, etc. are readily available in the details page, and it would be simple to put in links to anything that has a sensible linking structure |
| 15:17 |
|
fbcit |
gmcharlt: is the google books feature a replacement for the amazon interface? |
| 15:17 |
|
fbcit |
or an alternative? |
| 15:17 |
|
gmcharlt |
suppose one possibility is wrapping that up in a nice admin interface, so that you don't have to necessarily edit the templates directly, just store the list of external services links and their URL formats |
| 15:18 |
|
gmcharlt |
fbcit: an alternative |
| 15:18 |
|
gmcharlt |
the API queries Google for the availability of the full text of the book |
| 15:18 |
|
gmcharlt |
and from that, you can build a link to as much of the scanned book as Google thinks you have rights to |
| 15:19 |
|
gmcharlt |
and actually, more of a supplement, not an alternative, necessarily |
| 15:19 |
|
fbcit |
how does Google determine what it thinks? |
| 15:19 |
|
gmcharlt |
afaik, based on source IP address (as proxy for your country/legal environment), and copyright date of the book, and whether publishers have requested that individual books be yanked |
| 16:49 |
|
irma |
Hi all |
| 16:50 |
|
irma |
What do you do if a library wants to store info for a MARC subfiled that does not have a corresponding place in the Koha tables? |
| 16:50 |
|
irma |
The case in point is 651$a where 650$a maps to bibiosubject.subject but there is no field for geographic subject. |
| 16:50 |
|
irma |
That is, if the bibliosubject table had a field called geogsubject (for example) we could map 651$a to it. |
| 16:50 |
|
irma |
How does one handle this sutualtion? |
| 16:50 |
|
irma |
situation? |
| 16:52 |
|
irma |
Is anyone online able to give me some pointers? |
| 16:54 |
|
owen |
irma, there's no problem with that per se. |
| 16:55 |
|
owen |
Is the data not displaying correctly for you? |
| 16:57 |
|
owen |
Sorry, gotta run |
| 17:04 |
|
irma |
Thanks Owen. When reports are run the library would like to have data from 650$a activity seperated from 651$a but in Koha 2.2.9 they are combined. |
| 17:05 |
|
irma |
I don't know how to add 651 to the bibliosubject table |
| 17:06 |
|
irma |
Does that make sense? |
| 18:55 |
|
atz |
owen: how does the YUI stuff work for XHTML operations? |
| 18:55 |
|
atz |
it seems like we start with links, and then turn them into buttons? |
| 19:00 |
|
owen |
Are you asking about validity? |
| 19:01 |
|
atz |
no, just convention/acessibility |
| 19:01 |
|
atz |
*acc |
| 19:02 |
|
atz |
working on tagging... OCLS wants to be able to add tags from the results list |
| 19:02 |
|
owen |
Mostly it's just extra markup getting added to the DOM as hooks for CSS |
| 19:02 |
|
owen |
For example: |
| 19:03 |
|
owen |
This: <a id="editpatron" href="/cgi-bin/koha/members/memberentry.pl?op=modify&destination=circ&borrowernumber=51&categorycode=PT">Edit</a> |
| 19:03 |
|
owen |
...get's turned into this: |
| 19:03 |
|
owen |
<span class="yui-button yui-link-button" id="editpatron"><span class="first-child"><a href="/cgi-bin/koha/members/memberentry.pl?op=modify&destination=circ&borrowernumber=51&categorycode=PT">Edit</a></span></span> |
| 19:03 |
|
atz |
interesting |
| 19:04 |
|
owen |
I'm not sure what you mean by 'add tags from the results list' |
| 19:04 |
|
atz |
the basic idea is tagging of biblios, like flickr (for example) |
| 19:05 |
|
atz |
i can do this easily by linking to an "opac-add-tag.pl?biblionumber=xxx" |
| 19:05 |
|
atz |
but they want to be able to add them without leaving the results list |
| 19:06 |
|
atz |
which would involve some xhtml request in js |
| 19:13 |
|
owen |
So atz, you're picturing people adding tags to records from the results list? |
| 19:14 |
|
atz |
right |
| 19:15 |
|
atz |
crude mockup here: http://atz.dev.kohalibrary.com[…]-search.pl?q=dogs |
| 19:15 |
|
atz |
showing both the form/button style and the regular link style (for which the input box would be useless) |
| 19:22 |
|
owen |
I would think the link would expand the form box |
| 19:22 |
|
owen |
Wouldn't it make more sense to add tags from the detail page? |
| 19:23 |
|
atz |
check any of the details pages :) |
| 19:23 |
|
atz |
in fact both are in their commissioned specs |
| 19:24 |
|
atz |
i have sysprefs that toggle them though |
| 19:24 |
|
atz |
i know you don't like the clutter in your pretty layout |
| 19:24 |
|
owen |
:) |
| 19:25 |
|
owen |
Are tags separated by spaces, commas? |
| 19:25 |
|
atz |
commas |
| 19:25 |
|
atz |
but i don't think the backend is working for that yet |
| 19:25 |
|
atz |
there is a whole layer of moderation they require |
| 19:26 |
|
atz |
so ppl can't fill their opac w/ obscenities |
| 19:26 |
|
owen |
That sounds good. |
| 19:27 |
|
owen |
OCLS? |
| 19:27 |
|
atz |
orange county |
| 19:28 |
|
owen |
I see. That's great that we have a sponsor for tagging. |
| 19:28 |
|
atz |
yeah, they are very interesting in advanced functionality |
| 19:28 |
|
atz |
SMS, shelfari, etc. |
| 19:29 |
|
atz |
*interested |
| 19:31 |
|
atz |
what would be *really* slick is have a backend for harvesting/aggregating the tags from other Kohas |
| 19:32 |
|
atz |
so little rural library X doesn't have to rely on their small patron pool to do all the lifting |
| 19:33 |
|
atz |
or so you can pull in all tags from professional libraries |
| 19:33 |
|
atz |
but that is for later |
| 19:34 |
|
owen |
atz, is intended for 3.0? 3.2? |
| 19:35 |
|
atz |
that's a question for somebody else, methinks |
| 19:35 |
|
atz |
all I know is it's intended for demo next thursday |
| 19:36 |
|
owen |
Let me know if I can help squeeze that stuff into my pretty layout ;) |
| 19:37 |
|
atz |
sure thing |
| 19:42 |
|
ccatalfo |
atz, this will be cool! Since i have jquery docs open, dunno if you're familiar with it's ajax requests. doc for post is here: http://docs.jquery.com/Ajax/jQ[…]ldatacallbacktype |
| 19:43 |
|
atz |
nice |
| 19:44 |
|
atz |
do we already use jquery in non-biblios Koha? |
| 19:45 |
|
owen |
We've got a fair amount of jquery in the opac and the intranet |
| 19:45 |
|
atz |
cool |
| 19:45 |
|
owen |
Even with the YUI stuff I often fall back on jquery to get stuff done I don't know how to do with YUI |
| 20:05 |
|
atz |
i think that jquery will work fine |
| 20:58 |
|
owen |
Evening all |
