| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 15:16 |
|
owen |
foxnorth, are you around? |
| 15:21 |
|
kados |
morning owen |
| 15:21 |
|
owen |
Hi kados |
| 15:21 |
|
kados |
meetings-- |
| 15:22 |
|
owen |
Got your message. Sent you some patches to cover the whole </head><body> change. |
| 15:22 |
|
kados |
cool |
| 15:22 |
|
kados |
owen++ |
| 15:22 |
|
owen |
(Sent you => submitted) |
| 15:22 |
|
kados |
excellent |
| 15:22 |
|
kados |
that was fast! |
| 15:23 |
|
owen |
I worked on it yesterday afternoon |
| 15:23 |
|
owen |
I've been poking around this morning looking and what kind of javascript issues we've got that can be addressed by the reorganization. |
| 15:23 |
|
kados |
right |
| 15:24 |
|
owen |
I was hoping to get foxnorth's opinion on a default js lib. |
| 15:24 |
|
kados |
he's around, probably just deep in code :-) |
| 15:24 |
|
foxnorth |
hey owen-- here i am |
| 15:24 |
|
owen |
We'll want to have something loaded by default to give us a baseline of functionality for the staff-global.js |
| 15:24 |
|
owen |
Hi foxnorth |
| 15:25 |
|
foxnorth |
you were wondering which javascript toolkit to use as a default? |
| 15:26 |
|
owen |
Yeah. I'm thinking of situations like adding a class to a form field so that onload it will get focus. Little interface things that don't require big js lib plugins |
| 15:27 |
|
foxnorth |
yeah i mean, jquery sounds perfect for that |
| 15:27 |
|
foxnorth |
no need to for big widgets as w/ yui or ext |
| 15:27 |
|
foxnorth |
although keep in mind i really don't know dojo, scriptaculous or prototype, so i'm missing part of the picture |
| 15:28 |
|
owen |
Yeah, I think at some point we just pick and go with it. |
| 15:29 |
|
owen |
If we have jquery loaded by default, then it's "hard-coded" into the page header... |
| 15:29 |
|
owen |
Then what if I want to use ext for a calendar widget or tabs or something |
| 15:29 |
|
owen |
Is that going to be a problem because jquery hasn't been properly integrated into ext? Instead they're being loaded on top of each other? |
| 15:30 |
|
kados |
I think there's some way to avoid the global function problem |
| 15:30 |
|
kados |
by defining a local variable for the object or something |
| 15:30 |
|
owen |
Part of what we'll have to do in the next stages is choose how we're going to handle common widgets like calendars, tabs, etc. |
| 15:30 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 15:31 |
|
owen |
I'd like to ditch the current calendar widget because it seems to depend on inline <script> tags |
| 15:31 |
|
owen |
We've got several pages that use tabs to show/hide content, and it makes sense to me to use one of the js libs to standardize that |
| 15:32 |
|
foxnorth |
bbias |
| 15:36 |
|
owen |
kados: I think there are ways to use namespaces to get around conflicts, but I'm really hazy on the concept |
| 15:37 |
|
owen |
Even something as simple as the top-level nav which you mentioned in your email depends on making a js lib decision, if we're going to have our "more" drop-down menu |
| 15:38 |
|
owen |
I'm not sure how to handle graceful degradation for that...maybe link it by default back to intranet-main |
| 15:38 |
|
kados |
well, we should always have page markup that fills the content of any menus |
| 15:39 |
|
kados |
ie, not use the strictly js methods of a toolbar or drop-down menu |
| 15:39 |
|
kados |
IMO |
| 15:41 |
|
owen |
Sure. I'm saying that if we've got a 'more' link that triggers a drop-down menu, what's the non-js result of clicking it? You'd need to send the user somewhere where they can get an overview |
| 15:43 |
|
owen |
there are lots of places where we'll have to make hard decisions about what to make functional without js and what not to. I can't see making addbiblio work without js |
| 15:43 |
|
kados |
yea, addbiblio's especially tricky |
| 15:43 |
|
kados |
but highly deprecated as a core part of Koha IMO ... or at least should be soon |
| 15:44 |
|
kados |
hard choices |
| 15:44 |
|
kados |
I guess we just do our best |
| 15:51 |
|
owen |
kados: with head content now getting added to templates directly, do we still need to set css and js parameters in the script? |
| 16:31 |
|
kados |
hmmm |
| 16:31 |
|
kados |
well, I dunno |
| 16:32 |
|
kados |
I still think it's useful to distinguish between types of css and js |
| 16:32 |
|
kados |
ie, global, module, page, widget |
| 16:50 |
|
libtux |
hi..if i run sudo apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 |
| 16:50 |
|
libtux |
then i cant install mysql4.1 on ubuntu.. |
| 17:25 |
|
jaron |
libtux: what version of ubuntu? that might just be a transitional package to mysql 5 |
| 18:17 |
|
libtux |
jaron: i have a ubuntu6.06 version but still i cant install mysql-server4.1 |
| 18:18 |
|
owen |
"autolocation" defines the users branch based on their IP? |
| 18:22 |
|
kados |
there is some IP-based location determination in 3.0 but I haven't played iwth it |
| 18:27 |
|
owen |
I may not like the markup that Koha's calendar widget requires, but I sure can't find a js lib replacement that has as many features |
| 18:28 |
|
kados |
yea, that's the prob |
| 18:28 |
|
kados |
the includes/calendar.inc markup isn't too bad |
| 18:28 |
|
kados |
what about it don't you like, the inline stuff? |
| 18:32 |
|
hdl |
kados : Is liblime working on members pages ? |
| 18:32 |
|
kados |
hdl: nope |
| 18:34 |
|
kados |
hdl: but it must be re-written before 3.0 can be released, it's very buggy and doesn't conform to our coding standards |
| 18:35 |
|
hdl |
I know. |
| 18:35 |
|
owen |
I don't like that you have to embed a <script> block in the main body of the page for each input you want to connect to a calendar widget. |
| 18:35 |
|
hdl |
I am loosing my hair trying to debug it. |
| 18:35 |
|
owen |
Some other versions I've seen can put all the scripts in <head> and work off an input class or id |
| 18:36 |
|
hdl |
I have a first page on member adding I can show. But it doesnot work at all at the moment. |
| 18:37 |
|
hdl |
http://i20.hdlaurent.paulpoula[…]d&category_type=A |
| 18:37 |
|
hdl |
If you want to see. |
| 18:38 |
|
kados |
looks much better |
| 18:38 |
|
kados |
hdhttp://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]lates_style_guide |
| 18:38 |
|
kados |
hdl: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]lates_style_guide |
| 18:38 |
|
hdl |
Is that written coding standards or your internal coding standard. |
| 18:38 |
|
kados |
hdl: I started a template guide |
| 18:39 |
|
kados |
the Dos and Donts section is where we're going to try to establish conventions for the project |
| 18:39 |
|
kados |
such as: |
| 18:39 |
|
kados |
For block elements, use <div>, not <p>. |
| 18:40 |
|
hdl |
Sure. But these statements are done way after it was first written. |
| 18:40 |
|
hdl |
And our previous code relied on <p> and not <div> |
| 18:41 |
|
kados |
if it was just p vs div I wouldn't be complaining |
| 18:41 |
|
kados |
I believe I sent an email a while ago explaining my problems with the members code |
| 18:41 |
|
kados |
the primary one was that the html code had been bloated 8000% from the previous version |
| 18:42 |
|
kados |
and it is completely unmanagable |
| 18:42 |
|
hdl |
I agree. |
| 18:42 |
|
hdl |
This is why I try to do it again. |
| 18:43 |
|
kados |
it also has some very unfriendly defaults (like ALL CAPS for last names) |
| 18:43 |
|
kados |
(which is still a problem BTW) |
| 18:43 |
|
kados |
hdl:++ |
| 18:43 |
|
hdl |
But belive me, going from this Code is quite a trouble. |
| 18:43 |
|
kados |
I can imagine |
| 18:43 |
|
hdl |
ALL Caps for French is Default for lastnames. |
| 18:44 |
|
kados |
yep, but no where else it seems :-) |
| 18:45 |
|
kados |
but librarians won't like it |
| 18:48 |
|
owen |
All caps for last names should be handled by custom CSS and/or js |
| 18:49 |
|
kados |
hdl: most libraries in the US ask for a patron entry screen that allows all 'required' info to be filled out in one page |
| 18:49 |
|
kados |
hdl: other pages can be used for supplemental information if there is time |
| 18:49 |
|
kados |
hdl: but often the patron must be added very quickly and there is not time to fill out all the data |
| 20:33 |
|
chris |
i thought i fixed the all caps with a system preference |
| 20:34 |
|
chris |
maybe it never got committed |
| 20:38 |
|
kados |
morning chris |
| 20:38 |
|
hdl |
hi gang |
| 20:38 |
|
kados |
chris: should be a few patches waitin fr ya :-) |
| 20:39 |
|
chris |
ill go look, yeah i made a systempreference that controlled wether the js in the template converted surnames to caps, i wonder what happened to that |
| 20:40 |
|
kados |
for some reason a change I'm 100% sure I committed and patched was lost too |
| 20:41 |
|
kados |
i fixed the CGI header that was causing the page to be downloaded |
| 20:41 |
|
kados |
ages ago |
| 20:41 |
|
chris |
oh this one was well before git |
| 20:41 |
|
kados |
ahh |
| 20:41 |
|
chris |
was i think the first koha project day |
| 20:41 |
|
kados |
wow, that does go back a bit |
| 20:42 |
|
chris |
ill track it down |
| 20:42 |
|
chris |
it wasnt to tricky |
| 20:42 |
|
kados |
cool |
| 20:43 |
|
chris |
3 from owen, 3 from you, going to read them now |
| 20:43 |
|
kados |
cool |
| 20:45 |
|
chris |
hmm owen has gone, problem with his patch |
| 20:45 |
|
kados |
bummer |
| 20:45 |
|
kados |
what's the prob? |
| 20:45 |
|
chris |
error: koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/css/staff-global.css: does not exist in index |
| 20:47 |
|
chris |
ill apply the rest and bounce that one back with the error message, it seems it needs a patch to creae that file first |
| 20:48 |
|
kados |
huh |
| 20:48 |
|
kados |
that was one from me |
| 20:48 |
|
kados |
maybe apply mine first? |
| 20:49 |
|
kados |
ahh |
| 20:49 |
|
kados |
I know |
| 20:49 |
|
kados |
there were a couple of template patches that I pushed directly |
| 20:49 |
|
kados |
chris: you probably need to pull |
| 20:49 |
|
chris |
ahh ill try that |
| 20:50 |
|
chris |
yep that worked |
| 20:50 |
|
chris |
pushing_directly-- :-) |
| 20:50 |
|
kados |
yea, I know |
| 20:50 |
|
chris |
its tempting tho eh |
| 20:59 |
|
chris |
did you just get a push email? |
| 20:59 |
|
kados |
nope |
| 20:59 |
|
kados |
ahh, yes |
| 21:00 |
|
hdl |
kados : problem with one page entry screen as you suggest is that it would mix both Personnal information and Librarian information, which would be in two separate screens on edition.... But I am going to bed now. Sorry. |
| 21:01 |
|
kados |
hdl: g'night |
| 01:26 |
|
CGI412 |
Hello everyone. |
| 01:27 |
|
CGI412 |
I am looking for an application that will allow me to sort my eBook collection. I read a lot, and such, have a lot of ebooks, but sometimes they are hard to locate. Will koha do this? If not do you know of a product that might. That runs on linux, preferable oss? |
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| 09:21 |
|
chris |
just over 1 week to go paul :-) |
| 09:21 |
|
paul |
hi chris |
| 09:22 |
|
chris |
hi paul |
| 09:22 |
|
paul |
only 55% of kiwis think you'll win I hear on the radio... |
| 09:22 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 09:22 |
|
chris |
i think it will be nz, south africa or france |
| 09:23 |
|
chris |
anyone of those 3 teams could win i think |
| 09:23 |
|
chris |
australia dont have good forwards |
| 09:23 |
|
chris |
england are horrible this year |
| 09:24 |
|
chris |
argentina are my outside bet .. they sometimes play way better than they should :-) |
| 09:25 |
|
paul |
1st match : argentina/france. |
| 09:25 |
|
chris |
yeah that will be an interesting one |
| 09:25 |
|
paul |
everybody says it will be a tough match for is |
| 09:25 |
|
chris |
i think you will beat them |
| 09:25 |
|
paul |
s/think/hope/ ! |
| 09:25 |
|
chris |
because you are more match fit |
| 09:25 |
|
paul |
(for me at least) |
| 09:25 |
|
paul |
and we are at home... |
| 09:26 |
|
paul |
x0 000 ppl supporting us can make a diff |
| 09:26 |
|
chris |
if they had a few more warm up games ... then it would be closer but yes france at home .. very hard to beat |
| 09:28 |
|
chris |
i will be watching that game, its at 7am here |
| 09:28 |
|
chris |
so good time |
| 09:29 |
|
paul |
what time is it for you atm ? |
| 09:29 |
|
paul |
almost time to go to bed I think... |
| 09:29 |
|
chris |
9.28pm |
| 09:29 |
|
paul |
will you be back for the chat ? |
| 09:29 |
|
chris |
ill try to be |
| 09:30 |
|
chris |
but as its at 4am |
| 09:31 |
|
chris |
not too likely unless kahurangi decides to wake up then |
| 09:31 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 09:31 |
|
chris |
laurel will come round to your house and yell at you if the phone goes at 4am :-) |
| 09:31 |
|
chris |
how is ben rach? |
| 09:31 |
|
chris |
and how was the marae? |
| 09:32 |
|
rach |
was good |
| 09:32 |
|
chris |
paul: i might have to read the logs and add my comments in an email |
| 09:32 |
|
rach |
Jo did a nice mihi |
| 09:32 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 09:32 |
|
paul |
chris : i've just thrown a mail about DB management, to prepare the meeting |
| 09:32 |
|
paul |
(koha-devel) |
| 09:32 |
|
chris |
cool paul |
| 09:33 |
|
rach |
but is always hard to have essentially an 11 hr client meeting |
| 09:33 |
|
chris |
*nod* |
| 09:34 |
|
chris |
did you end up using that waiata? |
| 09:34 |
|
rach |
yes I think so |
| 09:34 |
|
chris |
cool, youtube comes in handy sometimes |
| 09:34 |
|
rach |
yeah - jo knew it the best so she lead |
| 09:35 |
|
rach |
it wasn't actually on the marae which was good - just their offices, so less formal was nice, but still quite formal welcome |
| 09:35 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 09:35 |
|
rach |
and we met the head librarian from puke ariki as well |
| 09:35 |
|
chris |
ohh cool |
| 09:36 |
|
rach |
poor old walter had some more hours doing training last night and today |
| 09:36 |
|
rach |
he sounded beat by the time he got home |
| 09:36 |
|
chris |
i bet |
| 09:36 |
|
rach |
but is all looking good for Kete |
| 09:36 |
|
chris |
excellent |
| 09:37 |
|
rach |
Puke Ariki are thinking it might be better than the wiki they are using |
| 09:38 |
|
rach |
Paul - in case you weren't aware, we've been writing an open source digital library/archive system called Kete. And we've just had 3 clients secure a second round of funding which is great |
| 09:38 |
|
paul |
but never got a look at it |
| 09:40 |
|
rach |
http://kete.net.nz/ |
| 09:40 |
|
chris |
paul: i agree with your email, we should deal with the 2 cases separately |
| 09:41 |
|
chris |
http://horowhenua.kete.net.nz/ is good too (for seeing it in action) |
| 09:41 |
|
paul |
can I dl kete somewhere ? see some screenshots ? have some tech information (platform, requirements...) ? |
| 09:42 |
|
rach |
today, slightly tricky, next few weeks yes - one of the bits of funding was to get the website etc all up and running, and by the end of the next round of work have a 1.0 release ready |
| 09:43 |
|
rach |
there is some stuff up already = http://kete.net.nz/site/all/topics/ |
| 09:45 |
|
paul |
rach : what does "is fully compatible with Koha" mean exactly ? |
| 09:46 |
|
rach |
more context? Kete uses Zebra and z39:50 and other standards so I'm picking it will mean thay you can easily do federated searching Of Kete from Koha and vice versa |
| 09:47 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 09:47 |
|
paul |
OK. but no SSO for instance ? |
| 09:47 |
|
rach |
they both run on Debian, but Kete is a ruby on rails application |
| 09:47 |
|
chris |
SSO? |
| 09:47 |
|
rach |
what's sso |
| 09:47 |
|
paul |
Single Sign On |
| 09:47 |
|
paul |
1 login for both apps |
| 09:48 |
|
chris |
hmm you could do |
| 09:48 |
|
chris |
they both store their user info in mysql |
| 09:49 |
|
chris |
would take a little tweaking |
| 09:49 |
|
rach |
kete is generally "looser" in who can be a member than Koha - For HLT it doesn't require you to be a library member for example, but yes if you could decide on your policies etc I would think they could be |
| 09:51 |
|
rach |
you could do something simple like import all your koha users into Kete - you'd still need more verification before you let a kete member become a koha member I think |
| 10:00 |
|
chris |
yeah that would work rach |
| 10:02 |
|
rach |
would be possible to add someone to be a kete member when they become a koha member I think, and maybe just a "work flow" thing to punt people through to Koha to sign up if they come in from Kete |
| 10:02 |
|
chris |
yeah shouldnt be too hard |
| 10:04 |
|
rach |
good night - happy meeting I really hope I'm *not* awake for it :-) |
| 10:04 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 10:17 |
|
hdl |
chris : Does kete and greenstone have anything in common ? |
| 10:18 |
|
chris |
well greenstone is more for a traditional digital library |
| 10:18 |
|
chris |
where the librarian adds the data, catalogues it etc |
| 10:18 |
|
chris |
kete is closer to say wikipedia |
| 10:18 |
|
chris |
in that its community driven |
| 10:20 |
|
chris |
does that make sense? |
| 10:21 |
|
hdl |
Yes. |
| 10:21 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 10:22 |
|
chris |
i forget, do you watch rugby too hdl? or just paul? |
| 10:24 |
|
hdl |
I am not a rugby fan. |
| 10:25 |
|
chris |
ahh |
| 10:25 |
|
hdl |
In fact, I am not a sport fan. I had rather do some sport than watch guys training sports :D |
| 10:25 |
|
chris |
:-) |
| 10:26 |
|
hdl |
But sometimes, I enjoy watching good sport performances. |
