| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 14:33 |
|
sean68rs |
hi all...prospective koha consortium here |
| 14:42 |
|
kados |
hi sean68rs |
| 14:47 |
|
sean68rs |
hi Kados! |
| 14:48 |
|
kados |
hi :-) |
| 14:49 |
|
kados |
so how many libraries in your consortium? |
| 14:49 |
|
sean68rs |
9 public libs, with 3 smaller school district libraries and one community college on top of that |
| 14:51 |
|
sean68rs |
had a question regarding the koha docs (installation)...the docs ref kernel 2.4, I'm attempting an install using 2.6 netinst |
| 14:52 |
|
kados |
yea, that'll be fine |
| 14:52 |
|
kados |
I need to update those docs |
| 14:52 |
|
sean68rs |
nice. working through the perl deps this morning...all's ok so far :) |
| 14:52 |
|
kados |
cool |
| 14:53 |
|
sean68rs |
question the powers-that-be are gonna ask: how many US libraries are running Koha (approx, of course) |
| 14:53 |
|
kados |
Koha 2.2.7 probably will be fine for playing around with, but won't be suitable for your consortium |
| 14:53 |
|
sean68rs |
2.2.7 -> gotcha |
| 14:53 |
|
kados |
you'll need the new Zebra-based Koha that's still in CVS |
| 14:53 |
|
kados |
and installing that's pretty tough |
| 14:53 |
|
sean68rs |
that's great to know...thank you |
| 14:54 |
|
kados |
have you seen Nelsonville's KOha system, based on that? |
| 14:54 |
|
kados |
http://search.athenscounty.lib.oh.us |
| 14:54 |
|
sean68rs |
taking a look.... |
| 14:55 |
|
sean68rs |
wow! that is slick. we're running Innovative...and it looks archaic compared to nelsonville |
| 14:55 |
|
kados |
yea, that's the new zebra-based system |
| 14:55 |
|
kados |
it's brand new |
| 14:56 |
|
sean68rs |
amazing....can't wait to try it out! |
| 14:56 |
|
kados |
scales to tens of millions of records and can support dozends of libraries |
| 14:56 |
|
kados |
and it's all standards-based |
| 14:56 |
|
sean68rs |
nice! |
| 14:57 |
|
kados |
native Z39.50 (in fact, the OPAC is just a Z39.50 client) |
| 14:57 |
|
kados |
native SRW/SRU |
| 14:57 |
|
kados |
supports multiple record formats, etc. |
| 14:57 |
|
kados |
I should mention that I work for LibLime |
| 14:57 |
|
sean68rs |
any timeframe on general release? |
| 14:57 |
|
kados |
no timeline yet |
| 14:58 |
|
sean68rs |
I'm awaiting word from Randy Schultz regarding a demo...being a LibLime-er, I'm sure you're acquainted |
| 14:58 |
|
kados |
ahh, cool |
| 14:58 |
|
kados |
yea, randy's our sales manager |
| 14:58 |
|
kados |
I head up technology |
| 14:59 |
|
sean68rs |
cool...I'm talking to the main dude here :) |
| 14:59 |
|
kados |
when we do a release, we want it to make a big splash |
| 14:59 |
|
kados |
so it's very important that it not only be solid technically, but also easy to use |
| 14:59 |
|
kados |
install, maintain, etc. |
| 15:00 |
|
kados |
and it's hard to find library sponsorship for that componet :-) |
| 15:00 |
|
kados |
so it tends to take a bit longer cuz we have to do that in our spare time :-) |
| 15:00 |
|
sean68rs |
tell me about it :) |
| 15:00 |
|
kados |
as far as US libraries |
| 15:00 |
|
kados |
I can rattle off a few |
| 15:01 |
|
kados |
Stow Munroe Falls in Stow Ohio should go live this month |
| 15:01 |
|
kados |
Barberton Public Library in a couple months |
| 15:01 |
|
kados |
there's Nelsonville Public which I just showed off |
| 15:01 |
|
sean68rs |
are the majority what are known as "turnkey"? (nelsonville has me drooling, seriously) |
| 15:01 |
|
kados |
Crawford County Federated Library System in PA |
| 15:01 |
|
kados |
9 library consortium |
| 15:01 |
|
kados |
yea, those are |
| 15:02 |
|
sean68rs |
in such a system would we have system-level access for customization, fixes, tweaks, etc? |
| 15:02 |
|
kados |
all of the Koha/Zebra systems (what LibLime is branding as Koha ZOOM) are turnkey at the moment |
| 15:03 |
|
kados |
yep, we can relinquish control at whatever level you're comfortable with :-) |
| 15:03 |
|
sean68rs |
that's great...we'd love to have paid support on an as-needed basis. Our current system has us sandboxed...we can't do much but edit HTML |
| 15:04 |
|
sean68rs |
I really, really hate it |
| 15:04 |
|
kados |
Johnb is from CCFLS, they've done a ton of customization on their system |
| 15:04 |
|
kados |
John Brice from Crawford County Federated Library System |
| 15:04 |
|
kados |
they even rolled their own intranet template |
| 15:04 |
|
Johnb |
Hi Kados you still in Kiwi land |
| 15:04 |
|
sean68rs |
hi John! Sean here, Coos County Libraries = Oregon US |
| 15:04 |
|
kados |
Johnb: that I am ... and it's fine :-) |
| 15:05 |
|
kados |
Johnb: we're discussing whether to hold a training camp down here :-) |
| 15:05 |
|
sean68rs |
now THAT is one that I would need to attend! |
| 15:05 |
|
Johnb |
You can count me and my gand in! |
| 15:06 |
|
kados |
sweet |
| 15:06 |
|
sean68rs |
the z3950 perl module issue raised in the docs...r.e. kernel 2.2 vs. 2.4 = anything there to know regarding kernel 2.6? Its giving me fits |
| 15:06 |
|
kados |
good question |
| 15:07 |
|
kados |
which docs you looking at? |
| 15:07 |
|
kados |
hey cm |
| 15:07 |
|
Johnb |
Sean if you want to see our rendention of Koha check out catalog.ccfls.org |
| 15:07 |
|
sean68rs |
http://www.kohadocs.org/Instal[…]Debian_sarge.html |
| 15:07 |
|
cm |
hey. |
| 15:07 |
|
cm |
kados, I think a training camp in NZ is a splendid idea. ;) |
| 15:07 |
|
sean68rs |
make: *** [yazwrap/libyazwrap.a] Error 2 |
| 15:07 |
|
kados |
hmmm |
| 15:07 |
|
kados |
cm: hehe, cool |
| 15:07 |
|
kados |
cm: that's a quorum then :-) |
| 15:07 |
|
cm |
yep. |
| 15:08 |
|
kados |
sean68rs: so that's yaz |
| 15:08 |
|
kados |
sean68rs: you probably need the latest version of yaz installed |
| 15:08 |
|
sean68rs |
my wife is pining for a trip to NZ...sounds like I could kill 2 birds - one stone |
| 15:08 |
|
kados |
sean68rs: you'll need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:08 |
|
kados |
sean68rs: and add: |
| 15:08 |
|
kados |
deb http://ftp.indexdata.dk/debian indexdata/sarge released |
| 15:08 |
|
kados |
deb-src http://ftp.indexdata.dk/debian indexdata/sarge released |
| 15:09 |
|
sean68rs |
sources.list is edited, ran the commands to install libyaz and yazdocs, all went ok |
| 15:09 |
|
kados |
ahh, ok |
| 15:10 |
|
kados |
so you're getting stuck with Net::Z3950? |
| 15:10 |
|
kados |
cpan Net::Z3950::ZOOM |
| 15:10 |
|
kados |
try that one ^ |
| 15:10 |
|
sean68rs |
will do... |
| 15:10 |
|
rch |
sean68rs: methinks you need libyaz-devel ? |
| 15:10 |
|
kados |
ahh, right |
| 15:10 |
|
tnb |
Johnb: nice :) You got a go-live firmed up? |
| 15:10 |
|
kados |
apt-get libyaz-devel |
| 15:11 |
|
sean68rs |
yeah, libyaz-devel and yaz docs both installed ok |
| 15:11 |
|
kados |
try the cpan command |
| 15:11 |
|
sean68rs |
Failed during this command: |
| 15:11 |
|
sean68rs |
MIRK/Net-Z3950-0.51.tar.gz : make NO |
| 15:12 |
|
kados |
hmmm |
| 15:12 |
|
kados |
any other messages? |
| 15:12 |
|
sean68rs |
after using CPAN to Net::Z3950::ZOOM (which installed ok) |
| 15:12 |
|
sean68rs |
make: *** [yazwrap/libyazwrap.a] Error 2 |
| 15:12 |
|
sean68rs |
Running make test |
| 15:12 |
|
sean68rs |
Can't test without successful make |
| 15:12 |
|
sean68rs |
Running make install |
| 15:12 |
|
sean68rs |
make had returned bad status, install seems impossible |
| 15:12 |
|
kados |
how about right above that |
| 15:13 |
|
Johnb |
tnb: still working on fines, should be up around the first of March |
| 15:13 |
|
kados |
interesting, so Net::Z3950 is failing, but ZOOM is installing? that's strange |
| 15:14 |
|
sean68rs |
yeah, ZOOM went in without a hitch |
| 15:14 |
|
kados |
sean68rs: can you paste the whole output into an email and send to koha-devel nongnu.org |
| 15:14 |
|
sean68rs |
will do...will be coming from sparkcclsd.org |
| 15:14 |
|
kados |
sean68rs: and might wanna join the list before that so it doesn't get caught by the spam filter |
| 15:14 |
|
sean68rs |
done! |
| 15:15 |
|
kados |
http://lists.nongnu.org/mailma[…]stinfo/koha-devel |
| 15:15 |
|
kados |
cool |
| 15:16 |
|
sean68rs |
its on the way |
| 15:17 |
|
kados |
cool |
| 15:19 |
|
sean68rs |
that's the only perl module left...everything else went smooth |
| 15:20 |
|
kados |
wait a sec ... so Net::Z3950::ZOOM installed without a hitch, and that's all you need |
| 15:21 |
|
kados |
Net::Z3950 is an older version that you don't need to worry about |
| 15:21 |
|
sean68rs |
that's good news...thanks! |
| 15:21 |
|
kados |
I'll update the docs |
| 15:22 |
|
sean68rs |
and thanks for the docs, BTW. I'd be flailing otherwise |
| 15:23 |
|
kados |
np |
| 15:24 |
|
kados |
ok, docs updated |
| 15:24 |
|
kados |
sean68rs: thx for the feedback ;-) |
| 15:25 |
|
sean68rs |
I've received more support in the last 20 mins than I have in the last 5 years...it's quite refreshing |
| 15:25 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 15:25 |
|
sean68rs |
we're small time compared to some of our commercial vendor's university customers....support just doesn't exist for the most part |
| 15:25 |
|
kados |
welcome to the Koha community :-) |
| 15:26 |
|
kados |
what's really cool is when you make a suggestion or request on the dev list, and someone just does it ;-) |
| 15:26 |
|
cm |
yep, the beauty of open source. :) |
| 15:26 |
|
kados |
and there's always the option of sponsoring it if you have the resources |
| 15:27 |
|
sean68rs |
what I'd like to see done is invest our current maintenance budget into open-source devel. the rewards are so much greater... |
| 15:28 |
|
kados |
that'd be a very worthwhile investment |
| 15:28 |
|
sean68rs |
I need to show some colleagues the Nelsonville system....it's great |
| 15:28 |
|
kados |
sean68rs: some stuff to show: |
| 15:29 |
|
kados |
sean68rs: do a search on 'it' or 'the' ... and compare that to your current system |
| 15:29 |
|
kados |
sean68rs: check out the native RSS feeds of every search |
| 15:29 |
|
sean68rs |
whoa...I missed the RSS. very cool! it's fast, too |
| 15:29 |
|
kados |
sean68rs: on the detail pages you can download in MODS, DC, MARCXML, MARC (utf8), MARC (marc8) |
| 15:30 |
|
kados |
it's opensearch compliant too |
| 15:30 |
|
sean68rs |
and a tabbed interface that actually works :P |
| 15:30 |
|
kados |
yep :-) |
| 15:30 |
|
kados |
the descriptions and reviews come from amazon and are free |
| 15:30 |
|
kados |
as part of their web services program |
| 15:31 |
|
kados |
same with the images |
| 15:31 |
|
sean68rs |
nice. We could drop our subscriptions for image services |
| 15:31 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 15:31 |
|
kados |
the search on 'the' usually wows people :-) |
| 15:32 |
|
kados |
I don't know of another system that can relavance rank that well |
| 15:32 |
|
kados |
course, I wrote it, so I'm biased ;-) |
| 15:32 |
|
sean68rs |
hands down puts ours to shame...nice job! |
| 15:33 |
|
sean68rs |
our drops "the" and "it" from the query...and nothing we can do about it |
| 15:33 |
|
kados |
yea, most systems can't handle the search, it's too proc intensive |
| 15:33 |
|
sean68rs |
their presentation is nice...very clean. I like it |
| 15:34 |
|
chris |
morning |
| 15:34 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 15:34 |
|
kados |
hi chris |
| 15:34 |
|
chris |
coos county |
| 15:34 |
|
chris |
ive been there |
| 15:34 |
|
sean68rs |
cool, Chris! |
| 15:34 |
|
kados |
sean68rs: chris is a real kiwi :-) |
| 15:35 |
|
chris |
i vote for second training camp being there :-) |
| 15:35 |
|
sean68rs |
nah...I vote for first and 2nd being in NZ |
| 15:35 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 15:35 |
|
kados |
I must say, I'm totally sold on this NZ thing :-) |
| 15:36 |
|
chris |
http://photos.bigballofwax.co.[…]DSC01325.jpg.html |
| 15:36 |
|
sean68rs |
I *know* more staff would be on board for that kind of excursion. |
| 15:36 |
|
kados |
esp after having visited |
| 15:36 |
|
kados |
nice view |
| 15:36 |
|
sean68rs |
yep, Chris...that's us :) |
| 15:37 |
|
chris |
i have a friend who lives here now, but is from astoria |
| 15:37 |
|
sean68rs |
astoria is great...love that bridge |
| 15:37 |
|
chris |
where the goonies come from :) |
| 15:37 |
|
sean68rs |
yeah! |
| 15:38 |
|
kados |
goonies++ |
| 15:39 |
|
sean68rs |
hey what file do I edit to set a different parser? I'm getting Your default XML parser (XML::SAX::PurePerl) is broken. |
| 15:39 |
|
chris |
ahh |
| 15:39 |
|
sean68rs |
and I know I just read the fix somewhere....and I'm being lazy about it |
| 15:39 |
|
chris |
you just want to cpan a non broken one on |
| 15:39 |
|
Johnb |
Chris: Just looked at the pictures. thought I would see more sheep! |
| 15:40 |
|
chris |
(that one is of oregon John ... dunno how many sheep there :)) |
| 15:40 |
|
sean68rs |
hey now :P there are tons of sheep to the valley just east of us. and elk. weird combination |
| 15:41 |
|
Johnb |
Chris: Oh....would explain alot. |
| 15:42 |
|
chris |
i forget the name of the good parser |
| 15:42 |
|
chris |
2 secs ill look |
| 15:43 |
|
kados |
sean68rs: http://beta.nntp.perl.org/grou[…]6/05/msg2369.html |
| 15:43 |
|
chris |
ahh kados beat me too it |
| 15:44 |
|
sean68rs |
thanks kados |
| 15:45 |
|
chris |
johnb: http://photos.bigballofwax.co.[…]dsc00406.jpg.html |
| 15:45 |
|
chris |
theres an nz one for ya |
| 15:45 |
|
chris |
gotta watch out for these guys in nz |
| 15:45 |
|
chris |
http://photos.bigballofwax.co.[…]dsc00600.jpg.html |
| 15:46 |
|
sean68rs |
what is nazgul? |
| 15:47 |
|
kados |
sean68rs: lord of the rings creature |
| 15:47 |
|
sean68rs |
oh, duh! |
| 15:52 |
|
chris |
ok, now ive distracted everyone with photos, my job is done, im going to have a shower :-) |
| 15:52 |
|
chris |
bbiab |
| 15:53 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 15:53 |
|
sean68rs |
hey, thanks guys. I need to run...but I'll be seeing you. |
| 15:53 |
|
Johnb |
Chris: Thanks. |
| 16:53 |
|
sean68rs |
quick note kados: we're up and running! thanks again for the help to all |
| 18:01 |
|
sean68rs |
hi again all. does the staff interface in ZOOM vary greatly compared to 2.2.7? |
| 19:38 |
|
sean68rs |
howdy |
| 19:40 |
|
mason |
heya sean |
| 19:43 |
|
sean68rs |
wold anyone happen to know if settings the timeout to 0 in sys preferences > admin will turn the timeout completely off? |
| 19:45 |
|
mason |
hmm, i _think_ so |
| 19:46 |
|
sean68rs |
I have a cataloger who keeps complaining of timeouts...there wouldn't happen to be another setting somewhere? |
| 19:46 |
|
sean68rs |
and our Koha has been online for all of about 2 hours....I'm pretty new to this stuff :P |
| 19:47 |
|
mason |
if it doesnt work, try winding it up to '999999999' ... |
| 19:47 |
|
sean68rs |
will do. thanks! |
| 20:03 |
|
sean68rs |
Im curious....is the intranet/staff interface much different in ZOOM than 2.2.7? Not style-wise, but functionally |
| 20:13 |
|
rch |
hi sean68rs - there are some new features, and bugfixes, but they are very similar. |
| 20:13 |
|
rch |
the biggest difference in in search functionality |
| 20:13 |
|
rch |
(and that's a big difference) |
| 20:14 |
|
sean68rs |
good deal. I have staff testing 2.2.7 but we'd probably end up w/ ZOOM |
| 20:14 |
|
rch |
we've been backporting a good deal of the intranet stuff to the 2.2 branch |
| 20:15 |
|
sean68rs |
nice...so they won't be completely shocked w/ a new environment |
| 05:25 |
|
btoumi |
hi all |
| 05:41 |
|
chris |
hi bruno |
| 05:42 |
|
btoumi |
hi chris how are u today |
| 05:42 |
|
btoumi |
? |
| 05:43 |
|
chris |
doing very good thanks, a little sunburnt though |
| 05:44 |
|
btoumi |
too much sun? |
| 05:44 |
|
chris |
yes but we did get to see france playing rugby |
| 05:44 |
|
chris |
so i dont mind the sun :) |
| 05:48 |
|
js |
lol |
| 05:48 |
|
js |
hi chris |
| 05:48 |
|
chris |
hi js |
