IRC log for #koha, 2006-09-23

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Time	Nick	Message
16:09	thd	kados: are you there?
08:48	hdl	kados ?
08:48	dewey	i guess kados is becoming a true Perl Monger...
08:50	kados	hdl: I'm here
08:51	hdl	It seems you use new modules for your search API...
08:51	kados	yep
08:51	paul	hi kados.
08:51	hdl	Language::Stem and so on.
08:51	kados	hi paul
08:51	toins	hi kados
08:51	kados	hdl: yes, that's correct
08:51	owen	Hi everyone
08:51	paul	hi owen
08:51	toins	hi owen
08:52	hdl	Is there a place on the wiki where you would list ALL the perl modules necessary and explain why and how you use them ?
08:53	hdl	Because installing new modules without having the slightest idea of what it is meant for is quite frustrating.
08:53	toins	hi _paul...
08:53	kados	hdl: did you read the pod documentation?
08:54	hdl	I did.
08:54	hdl	I know what THIS module do.
08:54	kados	what module don't you know?
08:54	hdl	But what I want to tell you is that you are not working only on your own.
08:55	kados	:-)
08:55	hdl	We are many trying to synch and it would be better to tell or warn.
08:55	hdl	Now Koha need this and that module.
08:55	kados	The search script is very heivily documented
08:56	kados	but I will tell you
08:56	hdl	But ppl from SAN here had Search badly broken.
08:56	kados	don't expect to be able to just run stuff from dev_week without investing Many Many hours learning how to use zebra
08:56	hdl	And it is frustrating for them.
08:57	kados	I can imagine
08:57	hdl	Have you commited a zebra conf file that would make learning easier ?
08:57	kados	?!?!
08:57	hdl	(friendlier)
08:57	kados	right now my job is to get my clients up and running
08:58	hdl	If we had a reference, it would help to adapt things to UNIMARC.
08:58	hdl	But you asked for comments.
08:58	paul	hdl : i did some stuff for UNIMARC.
08:58	paul	aren't they working anymore ?
08:58	hdl	If we cannot get it work what will be the point in commenting ?
08:59	kados	many many months ago I tried to get people to work on zebra
08:59	kados	but everyone gave up on it
08:59	kados	so I had to write my own stuff for my clients
08:59	kados	I'm sorry if it doesn't work out of the box for you
09:00	kados	but right now I have to focus on getting them up and running
09:00	kados	NPL goes live on October 8th
09:02	paul	that's quite a good news for the stability of 2.4. If you think it's ready for production, then we will be able to work on something stable for rel_3 ;-)
09:04	kados	hdl: I committed all my zebra config files in the zebraplugin directory
09:04	kados	hdl: many of them are very heavily commented
09:04	kados	hdl: record.abs, bib1.att, ccl.properties are the most important files
09:05	kados	hdl: along with zebra-biblios.cfg and koha.xml
09:05	hdl	ok.
09:05	kados	hdl: expect to spend several weeks understanding how zebra works :-)
09:06	hdl	I have already spent some time on it.
09:06	paul	kados : you're quite pessimist I think. several weeks are needed to understand how to WRITE koha/zoom/zebra.
09:07	paul	but hopefully, you already did 90% of the stuff, so we will just have to write the 10% missing for UNIMARC ;-)
09:07	kados	paul: nope :-)
09:07	kados	paul: I'm not pessimist, just realistic
09:07	hdl	And UNIMARC has some peculiarity that you overlooked for want of time. and I understand.
09:08	kados	it goes deeper than that
09:08	kados	to properly search UNIMARC you will need to understand the Z39.50 protocol deeply
09:09	kados	and will need to explore in detail where in UNIMARC various bib1 attributes should be
09:09	paul	do you have a sample ?
09:09	kados	just look at ccl.properties for example
09:09	kados	and the new record.abs
09:10	kados	ccl.properties is about 1000 lines of config and documentation
09:11	kados	the construction of the 007 and 008 fields in record.abs
09:11	kados	are another example
09:11	kados	I don't know how this is handled in unimarc
09:12	kados	but it took me several weeks to fully understand how to do it properly in USMARC
09:31	hdl	kados: thx.