| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 12:43 |
|
Mordazy |
anybody here? |
| 13:11 |
|
Mordazy |
bye |
| 02:07 |
|
osmoze |
hello |
| 02:07 |
|
dewey |
hello, osmoze |
| 02:33 |
|
btoumi |
hi all |
| 03:35 |
|
toins |
hi all |
| 07:57 |
|
owen |
Looks like it was a quiet night in #koha |
| 08:41 |
|
kados |
morning owen |
| 08:42 |
|
owen |
Hi kados, Mordazy |
| 08:42 |
|
Mordazy |
hi kados, hi owen |
| 08:42 |
|
Mordazy |
I`m sad :( |
| 08:43 |
|
Mordazy |
probably Koha will not be our next ILS :( |
| 08:44 |
|
Mordazy |
we`ve got an alternative |
| 08:44 |
|
Mordazy |
very strong competition to Koha, free, but not open source |
| 08:46 |
|
kados |
which one? |
| 08:46 |
|
dewey |
i heard which one was that? :-) |
| 08:46 |
|
kados |
Mordazy: free but not open source? |
| 08:47 |
|
Mordazy |
it`s a one man`s program |
| 08:47 |
|
kados |
got a URL? |
| 08:47 |
|
Mordazy |
he wrote it because he hated their old ILS |
| 08:47 |
|
Mordazy |
yes, here you are |
| 08:47 |
|
Mordazy |
http://www.bemowo.e-bp.pl/bemowo/makowe.php |
| 08:48 |
|
kados |
Mordazy: would you be interested in helping with a polish translation of Koha? |
| 08:48 |
|
kados |
Mordazy: if I send you a couple of files, could you translate them? |
| 08:49 |
|
Mordazy |
kados: there already is a translation |
| 08:49 |
|
Mordazy |
I`m working on polish version od 2.2.4 |
| 08:49 |
|
Mordazy |
however it`s been heavily customized |
| 08:49 |
|
kados |
Mordazy: yes, but not for the npl template |
| 08:50 |
|
kados |
Mordazy: I mean a translation of the npl template ... I can send you the files if you're willing |
| 08:50 |
|
kados |
you would be the author of the polish translation of opac.liblime.com :-) |
| 08:50 |
|
kados |
(have you seen opac.liblime.com before?) |
| 08:51 |
|
kados |
ahh, I see |
| 08:52 |
|
Mordazy |
kados: why not, but it would depend on time I had |
| 08:54 |
|
kados |
ok, what's your email? |
| 08:54 |
|
kados |
I"ll send you the files |
| 08:54 |
|
Mordazy |
kados: mail the files to mordazy at poczta.onet.pl |
| 08:54 |
|
kados |
k ... thanks |
| 08:58 |
|
kados |
Mordazy: sent |
| 08:58 |
|
Mordazy |
OK |
| 08:58 |
|
Mordazy |
what do you think about that other program? |
| 08:58 |
|
Mordazy |
I`ve seen it in action |
| 08:59 |
|
Mordazy |
it`s fast and loaded with features |
| 08:59 |
|
Mordazy |
I would say even: overloaded with features |
| 09:01 |
|
Mordazy |
it has everything, including internet cafe control and scanning and resizing covers |
| 09:01 |
|
Mordazy |
but it has some drawbacks for me: |
| 09:02 |
|
Mordazy |
1) it`s a program of one author, and he won`t publish the source code, so we`re stuck with him |
| 09:03 |
|
Mordazy |
2) he will not make any custom changes for users, unless all users need it or agree |
| 09:04 |
|
Mordazy |
3) athe interface is rather childish and not very readable |
| 09:06 |
|
Mordazy |
however, its implementation would be much faster than Kohas |
| 09:08 |
|
Mordazy |
ehh |
| 09:08 |
|
Mordazy |
sorry |
| 09:09 |
|
Mordazy |
I wanted Koha badly |
| 09:09 |
|
Mordazy |
but I can`t deny the facts :( |
| 09:12 |
|
Mordazy |
kados: how to use that http://poedit.com? |
| 09:13 |
|
kados |
Mordazy: Mordazy sorry it's http://www.poedit.org/ |
| 09:14 |
|
Mordazy |
heh :) |
| 09:14 |
|
kados |
Mordazy: it will make it easier to translate |
| 09:16 |
|
Mordazy |
? |
| 09:35 |
|
kados |
Mordazy: you install poedit, then open the file I sent you using poedit |
| 09:38 |
|
Mordazy |
okay :) |
| 09:39 |
|
Mordazy |
by the way, can I translate librarian interface the same way? |
| 09:41 |
|
Mordazy |
and this is opac fot that other ILS.. |
| 09:41 |
|
Mordazy |
http://www.bemowo.e-bp.pl/bemo[…]tabelka&katalog=3 |
| 09:42 |
|
Mordazy |
it`s called Mateusz by the way |
| 09:49 |
|
Mordazy |
ah |
| 09:49 |
|
Mordazy |
I thought it`s OPAC only |
| 09:55 |
|
kados |
Mordazy: yes, you can translate the librarian interface the same way |
| 09:58 |
|
Mordazy |
kados: is it in another file or npl_po.po contains all? |
| 09:58 |
|
kados |
Mordazy: I will send you the other file |
| 09:58 |
|
Mordazy |
okay |
| 09:58 |
|
kados |
Mordazy: but could you translate the OPAC first? |
| 09:59 |
|
Mordazy |
yeah |
| 09:59 |
|
Mordazy |
but don`t know how much will it take |
| 10:00 |
|
Mordazy |
not to mention there`s a queue :) |
| 10:01 |
|
Mordazy |
right now I`m translating documentation for the guy who localized 2.2.4 and helps me with it |
| 10:04 |
|
kados |
too bad he didn't use the PO method of translation |
| 10:04 |
|
kados |
it would be much more efficient :/ |
| 10:04 |
|
Mordazy |
well |
| 10:05 |
|
kados |
or maybe he did, just with the default tempaltes |
| 10:05 |
|
Mordazy |
I`ll give him the what I translate |
| 10:05 |
|
Mordazy |
we`ll see |
| 10:06 |
|
Mordazy |
anyway, unfortunately it seems that Koha and related thing will have to be considered as my free time project, not a job activity.... |
| 10:07 |
|
Mordazy |
free time = spare time :) |
| 10:09 |
|
kados |
sure |
| 10:09 |
|
kados |
Mordazy: any contribution is greatly appreciated :-) |
| 10:10 |
|
kados |
Mordazy: but I would like more information at some point about why you would choose something built by one guy over an international project |
| 10:10 |
|
Mordazy |
kados: a couple of various reasons |
| 10:12 |
|
Mordazy |
1) Time. We have 8 months tops to migrate. I can`t guarantee that I will be able to make Koha as usable as Mateusz is right out of the box. |
| 10:13 |
|
kados |
(Mateusz has more features than koha!?) |
| 10:13 |
|
Mordazy |
especially that I have to learn almost everything needed to customize Koha the way I want |
| 10:13 |
|
Mordazy |
kados: yes, MUCH more. |
| 10:14 |
|
kados |
Mordazy: could you give some examples? |
| 10:14 |
|
Mordazy |
- branch separation. Koha has problem with it |
| 10:15 |
|
Mordazy |
- very sophisticated member / staff policy |
| 10:16 |
|
Mordazy |
- much better acquisitions and cataloging modules |
| 10:17 |
|
Mordazy |
many small, but VERY useful things |
| 10:17 |
|
Mordazy |
can`t give them, I saw program once for a couple of hours |
| 10:17 |
|
kados |
(the three above I admit, are poor in Koha, but we haven't had a library sponsor them so it hasn't been improved yet) |
| 10:17 |
|
toins |
Mordazy: could you give a list of these useful features ? |
| 10:17 |
|
Mordazy |
but it virtually had EVERYTHING. |
| 10:17 |
|
toins |
ok |
| 10:18 |
|
toins |
perhaps it should be good to create a page on the wiki to list all of feature which it could be good to include into koha |
| 10:19 |
|
kados |
toins: I think people have been frustrated in the past because such a list was never used by the developers |
| 10:19 |
|
kados |
but I agree it would be good to maintain such a list |
| 10:19 |
|
toins |
kados: ... ok... |
| 10:19 |
|
kados |
Mordazy: is the system web-based? |
| 10:20 |
|
Mordazy |
no, it has client applications connecting to mysql server |
| 10:20 |
|
kados |
ahh ... |
| 10:20 |
|
Mordazy |
so it`s fast, very fast |
| 10:20 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 10:20 |
|
Mordazy |
and also not very hardware - demanding |
| 10:23 |
|
Mordazy |
useful features... in cataloging for example it was a table with foreign characters accessible by a click |
| 10:23 |
|
Mordazy |
it even has its own scanning module |
| 10:23 |
|
kados |
scanning? |
| 10:24 |
|
Mordazy |
for direct scanning and resising book covers |
| 10:24 |
|
Mordazy |
resizing |
| 10:24 |
|
kados |
wow! |
| 10:24 |
|
Mordazy |
what else... |
| 10:25 |
|
Mordazy |
internet cafe control program :) |
| 10:25 |
|
kados |
very cool, what does it do? |
| 10:26 |
|
Mordazy |
part of the author`s library is an internet cafe, free for members |
| 10:26 |
|
Mordazy |
any member can surf half an hour per day |
| 10:26 |
|
Mordazy |
so it controls the time and so on |
| 10:28 |
|
Mordazy |
you know, this program is author`s beloved baby |
| 10:28 |
|
Mordazy |
he`s been working on it since 2001 or 2002 |
| 10:30 |
|
Mordazy |
and adding new features is his hobby :) |
| 10:31 |
|
Mordazy |
and it`s hard for me to say this, but it`s everything Koha yet has to become. |
| 10:33 |
|
Mordazy |
I love Koha, the freedom, flexibility and support |
| 10:35 |
|
Mordazy |
but I`m quite alone here and there`s possibility that I wouldn`t make it with implementing it the way my lib managers want :( |
| 10:38 |
|
Mordazy |
aww, sorry again |
| 10:49 |
|
Mordazy |
you know, I wanted Koha badly, because if I managed to set it up the way I wanted, I wouldn`t have to beg anybody for simpliest things as it is now with Aleph. |
| 10:50 |
|
Mordazy |
ehhh |
| 10:50 |
|
Mordazy |
guess I`m boring again |
| 10:56 |
|
Mordazy |
other useful feature in Mateusz is dividing reservation into two groups |
| 10:57 |
|
Mordazy |
if the item is not available at the moment, you can reserve it and system tells you your position in queue |
| 10:58 |
|
Mordazy |
when the item is returned, system send email or sms to the first member in the queue |
| 10:59 |
|
Mordazy |
if item is`nt picked up, system sends email / sms to another member |
| 11:00 |
|
Mordazy |
and you can reserve 3 to 50 items depending on how many times you didn`t pick reserved item on time |
| 11:00 |
|
Mordazy |
the other way of reserving: |
| 11:01 |
|
Mordazy |
after opening hours you can reserve items available, so they wait for you next day |
| 11:01 |
|
Mordazy |
and so on, and so on... |
| 11:01 |
|
Mordazy |
ok, bye! |
