| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 13:02 |
|
slef |
hi all... anyone alive? |
| 16:41 |
|
chris |
i am now too |
| 16:55 |
|
thd |
is slef alive? |
| 17:47 |
|
kados |
hi all |
| 17:47 |
|
kados |
thd: now would be a good time to chat |
| 17:48 |
|
kados |
thd: I'll be around most of the evening working on zoomopac :-) |
| 17:48 |
|
thd |
kados: on phone |
| 17:49 |
|
kados |
k |
| 17:52 |
|
chris |
howd the boothing go? |
| 17:52 |
|
kados |
not bad |
| 17:52 |
|
kados |
had some great chats with folks |
| 17:52 |
|
kados |
we're boothing with Index Data this time |
| 17:52 |
|
kados |
so it's been great to connect with Sebastian |
| 17:52 |
|
kados |
lots of good ideas floated and such |
| 17:54 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 17:54 |
|
chris |
much interest in koha? |
| 17:55 |
|
kados |
yea, quite a few leads |
| 17:55 |
|
chris |
sweet |
| 17:57 |
|
chris |
lots of booths? |
| 18:06 |
|
thd |
kados: I am off phone now |
| 18:06 |
|
kados |
chris: yea, loads of them ... 800 vendors I think |
| 18:07 |
|
thd |
kados: how does your experience this year compare to last? |
| 18:07 |
|
kados |
it's very similar, though I'm a lot less nervous ;-) |
| 18:07 |
|
kados |
the new zoom search has really impressed people |
| 18:07 |
|
thd |
kados: in terms of the degree of serious interest in Koha? |
| 18:08 |
|
kados |
well ... I'm not really sure a conference is about generating serious leads |
| 18:08 |
|
kados |
it seems more about getting the word out there |
| 18:08 |
|
thd |
conferences are merely advertising |
| 18:08 |
|
kados |
trying to introduce people to this new business model |
| 18:09 |
|
thd |
kados: you mean old business model |
| 18:09 |
|
kados |
heh |
| 18:09 |
|
kados |
for libraries this is a new business model ;-) |
| 18:10 |
|
thd |
kados: proprietary systems will one day be a historical anachronism |
| 18:11 |
|
kados |
we'll see :-) |
| 18:11 |
|
kados |
I certainly hope you're right :-) |
| 18:11 |
|
kados |
but a lot of it falls on the libraries |
| 18:11 |
|
thd |
which were once popular at the end of the 20th and beginning of the 21st century |
| 18:12 |
|
thd |
kados: what is the it that falls? |
| 18:12 |
|
kados |
well ... it falls to libraries to support the open source development model |
| 18:12 |
|
kados |
to take responsibility for developing the technologies that run their institutions |
| 18:12 |
|
thd |
yes I guessed that you meant that |
| 18:14 |
|
thd |
kados: there are other possibilities with a foundation, etc., yet ultimately libraries have to embrace the model or the software from it for it to work |
| 18:14 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 18:22 |
|
chris |
i really do think its becoming a matter of adapt or die |
| 18:23 |
|
chris |
and the libraries that are forward thinking and realise that they need to be in control of the features they offer |
| 18:23 |
|
chris |
will survive |
| 18:24 |
|
johnb |
I agree with you on that one Chris |
| 18:25 |
|
chris |
hi john :-) hows things? |
| 18:28 |
|
johnb |
Pretty Good. Beautiful night here in Northwest PA |
| 18:29 |
|
chris |
excellent |
| 18:30 |
|
chris |
my parents are heading over that way in september |
| 18:30 |
|
chris |
well to pittsburgh and eerie |
| 18:30 |
|
johnb |
Good time to come. Shouuldn't run into too much snow! |
| 18:31 |
|
slef |
slef no longer alive bb tomoz |
| 18:31 |
|
kados |
johnb: seen the new zoomopac? |
| 18:31 |
|
dewey |
I haven't seen 'the', kados |
| 18:31 |
|
kados |
johnb: http://zoomopac.liblime.com/ |
| 18:31 |
|
dewey |
http://zoomopac.liblime.com/ is working now wher do i look |
| 18:32 |
|
kados |
dewey: http://zoomopac.liblime.com/ is the new zoom opac |
| 18:32 |
|
dewey |
...but http://zoomopac.liblime.com/ is working now wher do i look... |
| 18:32 |
|
kados |
dewey: no, http://zoomopac.liblime.com/ is the new zoom opac |
| 18:32 |
|
dewey |
...but http://zoomopac.liblime.com/ is working now wher do i look... |
| 18:32 |
|
kados |
dewey: no http://zoomopac.liblime.com/ is the new zoom opac |
| 18:32 |
|
dewey |
OK, kados. |
| 18:32 |
|
kados |
heh |
| 18:32 |
|
kados |
silly bot |
| 18:32 |
|
johnb |
Haven't checked it out, give me a minute. |
| 18:35 |
|
johnb |
Looks good Kados! |
| 18:35 |
|
johnb |
How big is the test database? |
| 18:35 |
|
kados |
it's 300K records |
| 18:35 |
|
kados |
quite fast :-) |
| 18:35 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 18:36 |
|
kados |
it would be just as fast with 5 million records |
| 18:36 |
|
johnb |
Good size. Very fast results. |
| 18:36 |
|
kados |
because of the way the indexes are built |
| 18:36 |
|
johnb |
Size doesn't Matter?! |
| 18:36 |
|
kados |
nope |
| 18:36 |
|
kados |
basically, there are only so many words in the language :-) |
| 18:36 |
|
chris |
the slowest bit is fetching the images |
| 18:36 |
|
kados |
once you index them all, you're pretty much done |
| 18:37 |
|
chris |
itd be even faster with amazon images turned off :-) |
| 18:37 |
|
kados |
so the db can scale out to something like 50 million records |
| 18:37 |
|
kados |
before there's any noticable speed degredation |
| 18:37 |
|
chris |
unless you add lots of other languages i guess? |
| 18:37 |
|
johnb |
Yeah the pictures slow you down, but they are very sexy to us librarians. |
| 18:37 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 18:41 |
|
johnb |
Just been playing with the advanced search and power search. |
| 18:42 |
|
johnb |
Welldone, you can get very specfic results very quickly |
| 18:42 |
|
kados |
yep ... it's quite powerful |
| 18:42 |
|
kados |
try an 'exact title' search for 'it' |
| 18:43 |
|
kados |
that's available in the advanced search |
| 18:43 |
|
kados |
try that in another ILS :-) |
| 18:43 |
|
chris |
one little suggestion, purely cosmetic |
| 18:43 |
|
kados |
sure |
| 18:43 |
|
chris |
with the sort dropdown |
| 18:43 |
|
chris |
we could put some javascript to submit onchange |
| 18:43 |
|
kados |
right |
| 18:43 |
|
kados |
that'd be nice |
| 18:44 |
|
chris |
so you dont have to hit sort if you have javascript |
| 18:44 |
|
kados |
yea ... there's quite a bit of stuff we could do to pretty it up |
| 18:44 |
|
chris |
its looking really tight |
| 18:45 |
|
thd |
proximity should be part of advanced and/or power search |
| 18:45 |
|
kados |
I spent some time looking at some of the other vendor search products today |
| 18:45 |
|
johnb |
"it" took less than two seconds to look up 17,000 plus records, very very nice. |
| 18:45 |
|
kados |
and was really suprised how lousy their stuff works in comparison |
| 18:45 |
|
chris |
yeah |
| 18:45 |
|
chris |
i bet it was ugly too |
| 18:45 |
|
kados |
yea, really bad ... and near impossible to customize |
| 18:46 |
|
chris |
this is what i find so hard to believe |
| 18:46 |
|
kados |
basically, most of these companies have stopped development |
| 18:46 |
|
kados |
theyv'e got mostly marketing people |
| 18:46 |
|
chris |
yeah 20 years ago |
| 18:46 |
|
kados |
sales reps, etc. |
| 18:46 |
|
thd |
kados: what was the most sophisticated other search interface that you saw? |
| 18:46 |
|
kados |
and they sell 10 year old software :-) |
| 18:46 |
|
chris |
snap |
| 18:46 |
|
kados |
thd: i haven't seen a more sophisticated search than Koha |
| 18:47 |
|
kados |
thd: or at least, i haven't seen anything they are doing that I couldn't do in 3 minutes using the zoom framework i built for searching |
| 18:47 |
|
chris |
:-) |
| 18:47 |
|
thd |
kados: who had the next most sophisticated? |
| 18:47 |
|
kados |
by merely changing some html in the template :-) |
| 18:47 |
|
kados |
no coding at all :-) |
| 18:47 |
|
kados |
probably sirsi/dynix |
| 18:48 |
|
thd |
kados: can you describe what it had or did not have that was distinctive? |
| 18:48 |
|
kados |
thd: no :-) |
| 18:48 |
|
kados |
thd: I plan to make some lists tomorrow |
| 18:49 |
|
kados |
thd: today I was just kinda browsing |
| 18:49 |
|
kados |
thd: but the idea is ... get a list of everything everyone's doing |
| 18:49 |
|
kados |
thd: then implement it over the next few evenings :-) |
| 18:49 |
|
thd |
kados: how does the current SIRSI/Dynix system compare with Open WorldCat? |
| 18:49 |
|
thd |
s/Open// |
| 18:50 |
|
kados |
thd: I'll have to compare it tomorrow in more detail |
| 18:50 |
|
thd |
s/Open/OCLC/ |
| 18:52 |
|
chris |
what are they giveaways this year? |
| 18:52 |
|
chris |
they=the |
| 18:52 |
|
kados |
hehe ... there are loads of them |
| 18:53 |
|
kados |
librarians walking around with bags and bags of trinkets |
| 18:53 |
|
kados |
really funny to watch |
| 18:53 |
|
chris |
anyone beat a free entire ILS ? |
| 18:53 |
|
chris |
:-) |
| 18:53 |
|
kados |
kinda like a carnival |
| 18:53 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 18:53 |
|
chris |
yeah i always come home with a bag of swag |
| 18:53 |
|
johnb |
Chris you can always tell the rookies at ALA because they pick up all the swag then can't fit in their bags to bring home! |
| 18:53 |
|
chris |
hehe |
| 18:54 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 18:55 |
|
chris |
ok im off to watch nz vs argentina in rugby, catch up with you later |
| 18:55 |
|
kados |
ciao |
| 18:57 |
|
johnb |
See you guys later, going to the movies. |
| 19:03 |
|
thd |
kados: Bug 1104 may occur in other instances |
| 19:03 |
|
thd |
kados: I have only extensively tested adding an additional repeated field |
| 19:04 |
|
kados |
thd: it's fixed now :-) |
| 19:05 |
|
kados |
thd: just a missing encoding declaration |
| 19:05 |
|
thd |
yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay kados |
| 19:06 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 19:06 |
|
kados |
I can't commit the change because it would create conflicts with pauls' changes |
| 19:06 |
|
kados |
but at least the system you'll be working on is fixed :-) |
| 19:07 |
|
thd |
kados: my own system does not work :) |
| 19:07 |
|
kados |
do you have 'TemplateEncoding' defined as 'UTF-8'? |
| 19:08 |
|
kados |
in your system preferences? |
| 19:08 |
|
thd |
kados: yes |
| 19:09 |
|
kados |
for a temporary fix |
| 19:09 |
|
kados |
look for all instances of 'new_from_xml' in addbiblio.pl |
| 19:09 |
|
kados |
and make sure they look like this: |
| 19:09 |
|
kados |
my $record=MARC::Record->new_from_xml($xml, 'UTF-8'); |
| 19:10 |
|
thd |
kados: there is one very scary bug though |
| 19:10 |
|
kados |
which? |
| 19:10 |
|
dewey |
i think which is really annoying |
| 19:10 |
|
kados |
heh |
| 19:11 |
|
thd |
kados: the one where the record is deleted if your IP address changes while editing |
| 19:11 |
|
kados |
heh |
| 19:11 |
|
kados |
nothing I can do about that |
| 19:11 |
|
thd |
kados: what is the cause of that? |
| 19:11 |
|
kados |
without re-writing all the auth.pm stuff |
| 19:11 |
|
kados |
it's not really a bug |
| 19:11 |
|
kados |
it has to do with session management |
| 19:11 |
|
thd |
kados: all of it really!!?? |
| 19:11 |
|
kados |
it's actually a security feature |
| 19:12 |
|
kados |
so that someone can't steal your session |
| 19:12 |
|
thd |
kados: In case you record was captured by the enemy we will prevent it from talking :) |
| 19:12 |
|
kados |
if you want to dispable it |
| 19:12 |
|
kados |
disable even |
| 19:12 |
|
kados |
you can just set auth=0 |
| 19:13 |
|
kados |
when defining the template |
| 19:13 |
|
thd |
\kados: yes i would like to disable it on my own system |
| 19:13 |
|
kados |
sorry |
| 19:13 |
|
kados |
this ... |
| 19:13 |
|
kados |
authnotrequired => 0, |
| 19:13 |
|
kados |
change it to: |
| 19:13 |
|
dewey |
kados: that doesn't look right |
| 19:13 |
|
kados |
authnotrequired => 1, |
| 19:13 |
|
kados |
that should fix the problem |
| 19:14 |
|
thd |
\kados: where do I make that change or do I just turn off authentication in the system preferences? |
| 19:15 |
|
thd |
kados: Is the effect to turn off all authentication? |
| 19:15 |
|
kados |
for addbiblio, yes :) |
| 19:16 |
|
thd |
kados: so the change would be made in addbiblio.pl? |
| 19:16 |
|
kados |
there are two paths |
| 19:16 |
|
kados |
you can change addbiblio.pl |
| 19:16 |
|
kados |
which will only affect that script |
| 19:16 |
|
kados |
or you can alter the system preference |
| 19:16 |
|
kados |
which in theory will turn off authentication for the whole intranet |
| 19:17 |
|
kados |
I say in theory because I've never tested it to see if turning it off actually does anything ;-) |
| 19:17 |
|
thd |
kados: altering the system preference would seem unwise for this problem if it can be done on addbiblio alone |
| 19:18 |
|
kados |
yep, I agree |
| 19:18 |
|
kados |
ok ... I'm gonna get busy coding |
| 19:18 |
|
thd |
thank you kados |
| 11:56 |
|
johnb |
nick johnb away |
