| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 12:02 |
|
shaun |
i'm going out, i may be a while |
| 12:24 |
|
fedor |
oh, hello everybody |
| 12:25 |
|
owen |
Hi fedor |
| 12:25 |
|
owen |
You're from CZ? |
| 12:25 |
|
fedor |
I am |
| 12:26 |
|
fedor |
and I hope I came to the right place - |
| 12:26 |
|
fedor |
however I hate to bother you and all, I was just hoping someone here might point me to some resources on koha installation... |
| 12:27 |
|
owen |
You're in just the right place. The only question is whether the right people are here |
| 12:27 |
|
owen |
Have you been here: http://kohadocs.org/ ? |
| 12:28 |
|
fedor |
Yes, I've been principally everywhere - I prefer reading the documentation before asking any stupid questions ;) |
| 12:29 |
|
fedor |
But coming to the right place is all right with me, I can wait or come later, when the right people are online. |
| 12:29 |
|
owen |
What problem are you having? |
| 12:31 |
|
fedor |
Well, I installed the system allright, using the debian installation guide, but it seems the installer did not really edit my apache httpd.conf file (although it did detect it) and I'm not sure what I should do as a next step... |
| 12:35 |
|
owen |
I'm not the installation expert, but I can look at one of our conf files... |
| 12:36 |
|
owen |
Looks like httpd.conf gets some koha-specific directives from a separate file: "Include /etc/koha-httpd.conf" |
| 12:36 |
|
fedor |
well, that looks like a good clue. thanks a bunch. |
| 12:38 |
|
fedor |
btw, if you ever come to CZ again, be sure to stop in Olomouc. |
| 12:41 |
|
fedor |
And I owe you a beer too :) Yes, I need to include koha-httpd.conf |
| 12:44 |
|
owen |
Mmmm... beer. :) |
| 13:17 |
|
indradg |
owen, u r a librarian... right? |
| 13:17 |
|
owen |
Yes |
| 13:19 |
|
indradg |
then u r the best person for my insanely stupid question -- which MARC field do u use to store the accession numbers? |
| 13:19 |
|
owen |
On the contrary--that's a very good question |
| 13:20 |
|
indradg |
well... better be safe than sorry ;) |
| 13:20 |
|
owen |
In fact, I have to refer to our MARC setup to answer it |
| 13:23 |
|
owen |
In our setup items.barcode is mapped to 952p |
| 13:23 |
|
indradg |
same as mine |
| 13:24 |
|
owen |
And in your MARC structure you have to set the 'Tab' to 10 so that it shows up on the additem screen |
| 13:24 |
|
indradg |
so barcode string == Acc. No? |
| 13:25 |
|
owen |
Okay, maybe I'm getting things mixed up here |
| 13:25 |
|
owen |
Sometimes accession number == barcode, sometimes not, I think |
| 13:25 |
|
owen |
Does that not sound right to you? |
| 13:25 |
|
owen |
I think some libraries keep track of an accession number separate from barcode |
| 13:41 |
|
indradg |
owen, yep... makes a lot of sense... I've seen such cases over here |
| 14:38 |
|
kados |
owen: our accession number is in 00x somewhere (I think) -- that is, if accession number is the unique number that our catalogers keep for each record |
| 14:38 |
|
kados |
not sure it that shows up anywhere in the catalog marc view |
| 14:40 |
|
owen |
I don't even see it in the MARC tag structure admin. Does it never make it into Koha? |
| 14:42 |
|
indradg |
hmmm |
| 14:43 |
|
indradg |
kados, a quick question abt you comment above |
| 14:44 |
|
indradg |
if you are using 00x acc no. then how are you getting different accn no. for multiple titles |
| 14:44 |
|
indradg |
how are u mapping the biblio -> holdings |
| 14:44 |
|
indradg |
? |
| 14:46 |
|
indradg |
err... i meant multiple copies of the same title |
| 14:46 |
|
owen |
Sounds like it depends on how you define accession number? |
| 14:47 |
|
indradg |
hmmm |
| 14:53 |
|
owen |
sounds like we use it as a unique identifier for a bibliographic record, and you're using it as a unique identifier for an item? |
| 14:55 |
|
indradg |
yep... thats seems to me how most librarians here in India does it... i could be wrong though |
| 15:25 |
|
owen |
What kind of work, shaun? |
| 15:25 |
|
shaun |
colours ;) |
| 15:26 |
|
shaun |
and any tidy up, if i think it needs doing when i get there |
| 15:26 |
|
owen |
I suppose the ideal way to handle it would be to put all the colors in a separate CSS file |
| 15:26 |
|
owen |
But that would be pretty tedious |
| 15:26 |
|
owen |
What's the status on the koha.org site? |
| 15:27 |
|
owen |
Are you still working on that, shaun? |
| 15:28 |
|
shaun |
i haven't made much progress - IE is being a bummer |
| 15:35 |
|
shaun |
welcome back to the cave, ben... *ducks and signs out of msn* |
| 15:36 |
|
Ben |
hrrm. |
| 15:36 |
|
Ben |
em, an announcement: shaun and I have started reskinning the npl templates, as per orders in the last meeting I attended. |
| 15:37 |
|
owen |
Fascinating! :) |
| 15:37 |
|
Ben |
yes. |
| 15:37 |
|
Ben |
(well, not really.) |
| 15:37 |
|
Ben |
shaun said "these npl templates are horrible... but cute, in a 'we can fix this' kind of way" |
| 15:38 |
|
Ben |
which I agreed with. |
| 15:38 |
|
owen |
Nice to hear Koha is horrible in every way |
| 15:38 |
|
Ben |
I'm sorry? |
| 15:39 |
|
Ben |
I have a question on the splash screen: does it need to be there? as far as I am concerned, anything which unnecessarily increases the total loading time is to koha's detriment |
| 15:40 |
|
owen |
The only reason it's there is that no one has yet built the right forwarding mechanism |
| 15:40 |
|
Ben |
ok. |
| 15:40 |
|
shaun |
not .htaccess? |
| 15:41 |
|
Ben |
would it be better then if that page were stripped of everything including css links in order to get it to load faster? |
| 15:41 |
|
owen |
I've inquired about htaccess in the past...I'm not sure why we're not using it. Perhaps something to do with conflicts with automatic installation? I don't know. |
| 15:41 |
|
owen |
Ben, which page are you talking about? |
| 15:42 |
|
Ben |
the 'home' page |
| 15:42 |
|
shaun |
Ben: eyecandy - why does anything have a splash screen? |
| 15:42 |
|
shaun |
owen: the pre-login page |
| 15:42 |
|
owen |
Can you give me a filename? |
| 15:42 |
|
shaun |
/index.html |
| 15:42 |
|
Ben |
shaun: most crappy windows apps have splash screens to disguise the fact that they're taking an eternity to load. koha's splash screen, however, is increasing the time it takes to load. |
| 15:43 |
|
shaun |
Ben: hang your head in shame. |
| 15:43 |
|
Ben |
why, may I ask? |
| 15:44 |
|
owen |
You mean the page that says 'WELCOME TO KOHA'? |
| 15:44 |
|
shaun |
owen: yep |
| 15:44 |
|
Ben |
yes. |
| 15:44 |
|
owen |
That doesn't have any css or anything |
| 15:44 |
|
Ben |
the one shaun did did. |
| 15:44 |
|
shaun |
it does in ours - I was experimenting with using an image as splash |
| 15:44 |
|
Ben |
and afaik, the table-based design would be even more code-inefficient. |
| 15:44 |
|
Ben |
so why must I hang my head in shame? |
| 15:45 |
|
shaun |
but it seems said image would be better placed on the login screen, somewhere out of reach |
| 15:45 |
|
Ben |
perhaps so. |
| 15:45 |
|
Ben |
why must I hang my head in shame? |
| 15:45 |
|
shaun |
Ben: because you need to see what you type, but the monitor is fed up with seeing your face. |
| 15:46 |
|
Ben |
explain. |
| 15:46 |
|
Ben |
why have you made this pointless comment? |
| 15:46 |
|
owen |
http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp[…]rial.html#privcom |
| 15:46 |
|
shaun |
thanks, owen. |
| 15:49 |
|
shaun |
anyway, while packets fly from ben to myself in /MSG, how about fixing this splash screen in .htaccess? |
| 15:49 |
|
Ben |
so the splash screen can go, if only partially |
| 15:50 |
|
Ben |
may I remind you that koha is not always going to be running on apache linux: it might have to endure IIS at school |
| 15:50 |
|
shaun |
it won't |
| 15:51 |
|
Ben |
why? |
| 15:51 |
|
shaun |
because of a nifty little app I found called apache for windows |
| 15:52 |
|
Ben |
reeve will still not allow us to install that on her precious (shitty) hardware. |
| 15:52 |
|
shaun |
owen, has this # ever had any ops? |
| 15:54 |
|
owen |
Ben, I don't really care to listen to you and shaun bicker. Do you really want that preserved for posterity forever in the Koha IRC logs? |
| 15:55 |
|
Ben |
I'm more than happy for the world to know about my IT teacher's political extremism. |
| 15:55 |
|
shaun |
Ben: but the world isn't happy to hear. |
| 15:56 |
|
Ben |
the world doesn't have to hear, if it doesn't want to. |
| 15:57 |
|
Ben |
I am more than happy to allow this conversation to be recorded in the irc logs, because I know that no sane person is going to look at it. |
| 15:57 |
|
shaun |
*sorry, owen* the #koha world is wired in here, and was happy before you joined it. |
| 15:57 |
|
shaun |
rach and chris will be offended by that. |
| 15:58 |
|
owen |
Does an htaccess Redirect require a fully-qualified http:// address as the second part? |
| 15:58 |
|
Ben |
why should rach or chris or especially paul look at the log of this conversation? |
| 15:58 |
|
shaun |
because maybe, just maybe, something koha-related would have been talked about in here. |
| 16:00 |
|
indradg |
owen, I believe it *is* required |
| 16:00 |
|
shaun |
owen: yes, that's what is stopping it, i have just realised |
| 16:01 |
|
owen |
I do wish Koha could use index files more sensibly. It would be nice to be able to go to /cgi-bin/koha/circ/ and end up at the circulation screen |
| 16:03 |
|
Ben |
yes, it would |
| 16:04 |
|
shaun |
would one ever use index.pl? you see index.html, index.php etc but never perl |
| 16:04 |
|
shaun |
DirectoryIndex circulation.pl ;) |
| 16:05 |
|
shaun |
which gives me a wild idea... DirectoryIndex /cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl |
| 16:07 |
|
shaun |
*peace at last* |
| 16:07 |
|
owen |
Does DirectoryIndex work from an .htaccess file? |
| 16:08 |
|
shaun |
yep |
| 16:10 |
|
shaun |
I had that once... took me just under a week to find out why nobody could use htpasswd... :( |
| 16:13 |
|
shaun |
seems as if Redirect permanent /index.html was missing a slash |
| 16:14 |
|
shaun |
i think it would be better if somebody above me commits that |
| 16:15 |
|
shaun |
wdyt? |
| 16:16 |
|
owen |
What specifically are you talking about committing? |
| 16:17 |
|
shaun |
the reason why the redirect wasn't working was that Redirect permanent /index.html was missing the slash; it must be relative to the site root |
| 16:18 |
|
shaun |
I don't know where to look for files to change, except I changed it locally in /etc/koha-httpd.conf, so I am suggesting that somebody more knowledgeable in CVS commits it |
| 16:18 |
|
owen |
I'd suggest sending a message to Koha-Devel asking on opinions on how to best manage what you're trying to do |
| 16:19 |
|
shaun |
it's just because you were talking about it - it seems as if I have uncovered the solution, that's all |
| 16:19 |
|
shaun |
to the problem, why do we have a splash screen in the first place |
| 16:21 |
|
owen |
So run your suggested changes by the list, if you're not sure if they're appropriate. |
| 16:22 |
|
shaun |
ok |
| 16:24 |
|
shaun |
hmm, kados should have a look at that (the apache stuff above) *hint* |
| 16:24 |
|
shaun |
I'm off, night all |
| 18:10 |
|
kados |
ben, shaun and owen the solution to the splash screen problem is to do what NPL has done: in the httpd.conf virtualhost directive for the intranet and opac include a "redirect index.html /path/to/startpage" |
| 18:35 |
|
kados |
rach the katipo site redesign looks great! |
| 21:09 |
|
rach |
ah yep ta |
| 06:51 |
|
paul |
'morning joshua |
| 06:54 |
|
kados |
paul: did you get my brief email about SearchMarcZebra.pm? |
| 06:54 |
|
paul |
yes. it's not as simple as previous SearchMarcTest... |
| 06:54 |
|
kados |
right ;-) |
| 06:55 |
|
paul |
so i'm afraid I won't be able to do it in 2 hours... |
| 06:55 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 06:55 |
|
paul |
& don't have enough time to play with it... |
| 06:55 |
|
paul |
(nothing to expect before july) |
| 06:55 |
|
kados |
ok ... |
| 06:55 |
|
kados |
figured I'd ask ;-) |
| 06:56 |
|
paul |
but my opinion is almost done. |
| 06:56 |
|
paul |
we must use Zebra for large libraries |
| 06:56 |
|
paul |
we must be able to have koha without Zebra for smaller ones |
| 06:56 |
|
paul |
so my idea is : |
| 06:57 |
|
paul |
create 2 Biblio.pm & SearchMarc.pm |
| 06:57 |
|
paul |
1 dealing with zebra, the other with marc_*_table |
| 06:57 |
|
paul |
and ask during install what the library want |
| 06:58 |
|
paul |
in Biblio.pm, we will have to play with MARCaddbiblio, MARCmodbiblio,MARCdelbiblio (& same for items) |
| 06:58 |
|
kados |
hmmm ... I still don't understand why a small library wouldn't want Zebra ... |
| 06:59 |
|
paul |
maybe you're right on the long term (ie : when Koha 2.4 is released) |
| 06:59 |
|
paul |
but i think it's more careful not to go in this way at the beginning. |
| 07:00 |
|
paul |
so, if we don't mix Koha & Zebra too much, we still can have the previous behaviour. |
| 07:00 |
|
kados |
right |
| 07:00 |
|
paul |
another reason being to break sightly less the cvs |
| 07:01 |
|
paul |
giving a 2.4 sooner release |
| 07:32 |
|
paul |
'lut jean. |
| 07:32 |
|
jean_log |
salut |
| 07:32 |
|
paul |
jean_log plutôt ;-) |
| 07:32 |
|
jean_log |
:) |
| 07:32 |
|
jean_log |
en fait |
| 07:32 |
|
jean_log |
tu me verras tres rarement parler avec ce pseudo |
| 07:32 |
|
jean_log |
mais je log tout |
| 07:33 |
|
paul |
(et là tu es chez toi, derrière ta fbx et pas derrièrele proxy ei-audiovisuel ;-) |
| 07:33 |
|
jean_log |
voila :D |
| 07:33 |
|
paul |
j'ai envoyé un commentaire sur ton doc à flc. |
| 07:33 |
|
jean_log |
ha t'as lu ? |
| 07:33 |
|
paul |
il manque le truc le + important, amha, pour l'optimisation CPU. |
| 07:33 |
|
paul |
suspens... |
| 07:33 |
|
paul |
c'est le mod_perl ! |
| 07:34 |
|
jean_log |
si j'en parle ... |
| 07:34 |
|
paul |
en terme de tenue de charge, c'est ca le plus important. |
| 07:34 |
|
jean_log |
atta je verifie |
| 07:34 |
|
jean_log |
je me suis pas etale dessus mais il y a 1 ligne normalement |
| 07:34 |
|
paul |
"terme recherché introuvable" dans OpenOffice... |
| 07:35 |
|
jean_log |
atta 2 sec stp |
| 07:35 |
|
paul |
ca y est, vu |
| 07:35 |
|
paul |
(tu as écrit mod-perl, donc on trouve pas mod_perl ;-) ) |
| 07:35 |
|
jean_log |
:) |
| 07:35 |
|
jean_log |
vi |
| 07:35 |
|
jean_log |
voila |
| 07:36 |
|
paul |
amha, le gain avec mod_perl sera 10 fois plus important que celui avec mpm. |
| 07:36 |
|
jean_log |
vi fort possible |
| 07:36 |
|
paul |
donc j'aurai plutôt mis mod_perl en premier ! |
| 07:36 |
|
jean_log |
par contre le gain de tmpfs + zero copy est tres bon |
| 07:36 |
|
jean_log |
:/ |
| 07:36 |
|
jean_log |
ouais g pas assez appuye dessus |
| 07:37 |
|
jean_log |
tu as raison |
| 07:37 |
|
jean_log |
mais je peu encore modifier avt de le publier |
| 07:37 |
|
paul |
(sinon, plein de trucs intéressants pour moi à propos des directives followsymlink et autres .htaccess) |
| 07:37 |
|
paul |
c'est vrai que c'est logique, mais je n'y avait pas pensé ! |
| 07:37 |
|
jean_log |
je te remercie ^^ |
| 07:53 |
|
paul |
(jean_log : j'ai mis dans le mail envoyé à flc copie d'un mail envoyé par un urugayen qui explique comment on met en place mod_perl) |
| 07:54 |
|
jean_log |
ha |
| 07:55 |
|
jean_log |
tu penses que ce serai bien de l'inclure ? |
| 07:56 |
|
jean_log |
parceque il suffit de le rajouter dans httpd.conf apres l'avoir compile ou dl en tant que package non ? |
| 07:58 |
|
paul |
oui, sauf qu'il faut faire quelques modifs dans le httpd.conf pour ca. |
| 07:58 |
|
paul |
c'est les modifs à faire qui sont détaillées. |
| 08:01 |
|
jean_log |
ha oki |
| 08:02 |
|
jean_log |
bah c'est toujours bon a prendre dans ce cas meme si en fait on m'a demande de faire l'article pour les developpeurs et/ou admins donc il sont censes reussir a le faire :) |
| 08:02 |
|
jean_log |
mais dans l'absolu ca augmente la qualite de la doc effectivement |
| 10:03 |
|
kados |
morning owen |
| 10:03 |
|
paul |
hi owen |
| 10:03 |
|
owen |
Hi kados |
| 10:03 |
|
owen |
Hi paul |
| 10:05 |
|
paul |
i think he want to use image which name is in GMD |
| 10:05 |
|
paul |
like your itemtype => itemtype.png |
| 10:05 |
|
paul |
but maybe i didn't understand well... |
| 10:05 |
|
owen |
I'm wondering if he could somehow map GMD to item type? |
| 10:06 |
|
owen |
Or does he still want the separate item types as well? I'll have to ask him. |
| 10:17 |
|
shaun |
kados around? |
| 10:25 |
|
owen |
He was for a bit. He'll probably be in and out |
| 10:26 |
|
kados |
shaun: I'm semi-available |
| 10:26 |
|
kados |
shaun: what's up |
| 10:27 |
|
shaun |
just the Redirect syntax - the reason why it doesn't work in the default conf is that index.html needs to be relative to the root of the site, i.e. /index.html, for the redirect to work |
| 10:29 |
|
kados |
and in your config it's not? |
| 10:29 |
|
kados |
index.html doesn't need to exist |
| 10:29 |
|
kados |
ScriptAlias /index.html "/usr/local/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac-main.pl" |
| 10:30 |
|
kados |
will work for a default Koha install (in the httpd.conf virtualhost directive for the opac |
| 10:31 |
|
owen |
That's not part of the default install now, is it kados? |
| 10:33 |
|
shaun |
the default scripted install produces a "Redirect permanent index.html http://$SITEROOT/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl" which does not work - hence index.html is displayed instead of the login page OR mainpage.pl |
| 10:40 |
|
owen |
That's the problem with the generous help of others... it just /doesn't come fast enough!/ |
| 10:40 |
|
shaun |
? |
| 11:04 |
|
kados |
heh |
| 11:05 |
|
kados |
owen: check this out |
| 11:05 |
|
kados |
http://liblime.com/opensearchportal.html |
| 11:05 |
|
paul |
joshua, |
| 11:05 |
|
paul |
i've seen you sql-datas.mrc commit |
| 11:05 |
|
kados |
too big? |
| 11:05 |
|
kados |
;-) |
| 11:05 |
|
paul |
but that's not what I expected : i expected a mysqldump of a working marc21 database. |
| 11:06 |
|
paul |
that could be used as "sample data", as in 1.2 releases |
| 11:07 |
|
kados |
paul: gotcha |
| 11:07 |
|
kados |
paul: I can do that too |
| 11:08 |
|
paul |
ok, so I install 2.2.3RC to EMN & i wait for your commit for official release |
| 11:08 |
|
owen |
kados: that's looking really good! |
| 11:09 |
|
kados |
it's the work of the Evergreen team mainly |
| 11:09 |
|
kados |
a port of their port ;-) |
| 11:09 |
|
owen |
So which one of your misspelled 'separate'? ;) |
| 11:09 |
|
kados |
heh |
| 11:09 |
|
kados |
them |
| 11:10 |
|
owen |
Like many other Ajax apps, it needs some kind of indicator when it's in the process of retrieving something |
| 11:10 |
|
kados |
yea |
| 11:10 |
|
kados |
lots to do yet |
| 11:11 |
|
kados |
it's mainly going to be good for ILL |
| 11:11 |
|
paul |
(including making this work under konqueror...) |
| 11:11 |
|
paul |
;-) |
| 11:11 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 11:11 |
|
paul |
(as it gives a strange page...) |
| 11:11 |
|
owen |
Huh... does it work in Safari, kados? Are the two very different? |
| 11:12 |
|
kados |
paul: it's the new OPAC ;-) |
| 11:12 |
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kados |
with built in support for federated searching |
| 11:13 |
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kados |
of other catalogs and many other formats |
| 11:13 |
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kados |
like web search engines, etc. |
| 11:13 |
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kados |
hmmm, doesn't work in safari at all |
| 11:13 |
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paul |
too many javascript i'm afraid... |
| 11:17 |
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kados |
well ... it's just a proof of concept |
| 11:17 |
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kados |
doesn't really need to use javascript really |
