| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 14:34 |
|
kados |
yay ... owen's back online |
| 14:34 |
|
owen |
Finally. |
| 14:35 |
|
owen |
They came out, climbed the tower, unplugged the access point and plugged it in again. |
| 14:35 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 14:36 |
|
kados |
what then need is a remote controlled power strip |
| 14:36 |
|
owen |
I cycled some switches on the electric panel, but that didn't seem to help |
| 16:34 |
|
rach |
morning |
| 16:34 |
|
rach |
we use RT for some stuff |
| 16:37 |
|
kados |
the storm did more than knock me out ... it destroyed my ups and surge protector and blew all the circuits in my house |
| 16:37 |
|
kados |
rach: what's RT? |
| 16:37 |
|
rach |
request tracker |
| 16:37 |
|
rach |
http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/ |
| 16:37 |
|
rach |
this thing |
| 16:37 |
|
kados |
ahh ... right |
| 16:38 |
|
rach |
but we tend to use it for tracking requests, rather than bug reports at the moment |
| 16:39 |
|
rach |
so we let customers use RT for their small jobs, but we're still using bugzilla for actual bugs. |
| 16:42 |
|
rach |
Simon's team use RT for incident reporting, network faults, work requests etc |
| 18:37 |
|
gavin |
who |
| 18:59 |
|
rach |
? |
| 02:48 |
|
jean |
hi |
| 03:04 |
|
paul |
salut jean |
| 03:39 |
|
slef |
Can someone boot Madeleine.Kiss cec.eu.int from the koha lists, please? I'm getting autoreplies again. |
| 06:07 |
|
kados |
morning all |
| 06:12 |
|
paul |
hello kados/joshua |
| 06:23 |
|
kados |
paul: have you tested Genji's new feature for the OPAC? |
| 06:23 |
|
paul |
no. no time to do this. |
| 06:23 |
|
paul |
if you have a demo site I can look |
| 06:23 |
|
paul |
but no time to install & test |
| 06:23 |
|
kados |
I just tried last night but I didnt find any docs on setting up categories, etc. |
| 06:24 |
|
paul |
I had the same problems when I tried, and didn't investigate. |
| 06:24 |
|
kados |
http://opac002.liblime.com/ |
| 06:24 |
|
kados |
that's as far as I've gotten |
| 06:24 |
|
kados |
and his email keeps bouncing back to me |
| 06:24 |
|
paul |
did you follow the [IMPORTANT] thread on infokoha-fr.org mailing list ? |
| 06:24 |
|
paul |
s/did/do/ |
| 06:24 |
|
kados |
no ... could you summarize? |
| 06:24 |
|
paul |
yes. |
| 06:24 |
|
kados |
(this week's been too busy to read french ;-)) |
| 06:25 |
|
kados |
paul: you'll be happy to know I'm meeting with NPL catalogers today |
| 06:25 |
|
paul |
I also had 2 mails in my mailbox about this. |
| 06:25 |
|
paul |
the general idea being : |
| 06:25 |
|
paul |
* nice to see Koha going to large scale libraries & high tech tools |
| 06:26 |
|
paul |
* prefer having the possibility to choose zebra or not zebra |
| 06:26 |
|
paul |
plus 1 very interesting point : |
| 06:26 |
|
paul |
z3950 is an outdated protocol. So we should not too much invest on it. |
| 06:26 |
|
paul |
& be ready for next generation tools |
| 06:26 |
|
paul |
(except that there is none ready yet :-( ) |
| 06:27 |
|
kados |
exactly |
| 06:27 |
|
kados |
well my reply: |
| 06:27 |
|
paul |
Christian Rogel pointed that the ZING group will have a meeting next week. |
| 06:27 |
|
paul |
& hopefully publish something, after 4 years... |
| 06:27 |
|
kados |
Zebra is less 'high tech' that our current system and will require far les maintenance |
| 06:28 |
|
kados |
and |
| 06:28 |
|
kados |
Z39.50 may be outdated but it's going to add many features for searching Koha that would otherwise not be available (speed increase, relevance ranking, stemming) |
| 06:29 |
|
paul |
less high tech ? how can it be possible : if we ADD a new tool, we can't lower technicity & complexity, isn't it ;-) |
| 06:29 |
|
kados |
Zebra is far less troublesome than marc_word |
| 06:29 |
|
kados |
IMO |
| 06:30 |
|
kados |
and dealing with static MARC files is far easier than with SQL-based marc tables |
| 06:30 |
|
kados |
again IMO |
| 06:30 |
|
paul |
I understand the point about "outdated" as "go to zebra, but think you could switch to something else soon, so have a good code design" |
| 06:30 |
|
paul |
& I only can agree with this warning. |
| 06:30 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 06:30 |
|
kados |
CQL may be the up-and-coming thing |
| 06:31 |
|
paul |
yep too... |
| 06:31 |
|
kados |
(but I'll point out it's still Z39.50) |
| 06:31 |
|
paul |
yes, but far most user friendly ;-) |
| 06:31 |
|
kados |
and my belief is that indexdata will support it |
| 06:31 |
|
paul |
zebra speaks CQL isn't it ? |
| 06:32 |
|
kados |
I believe so but I haven't checked |
| 06:32 |
|
kados |
I'd be surprised if not |
| 06:33 |
|
kados |
currently, from what little research I've done, Z39.50 is still the best method for retrieving items in a library |
| 06:34 |
|
paul |
Embedding the zebra, page 7 |
| 06:35 |
|
paul |
"natively zebra supports only RPN queries, but it comes with tools that make is possible to use CQL |
| 06:35 |
|
paul |
" |
| 06:35 |
|
paul |
or CCL |
| 06:35 |
|
kados |
cool |
| 06:35 |
|
paul |
given a mapping to RPN |
| 06:35 |
|
kados |
right ... which shouldn't be too hard |
| 06:35 |
|
kados |
I bet there's some discussion about this on the list |
| 06:36 |
|
kados |
Here are some thoughts about Koha and the future |
| 06:36 |
|
kados |
from the beginning the koha project has bee focused on smaller libraries |
| 06:37 |
|
kados |
and since 'library and information retrieval standards' weren't as important for smaller libraries |
| 06:37 |
|
kados |
koha didn't use them |
| 06:37 |
|
kados |
when NPL joined we added MARC |
| 06:37 |
|
kados |
which 'was a good thing' |
| 06:38 |
|
kados |
now it's time to look at other standards (especially for searching) |
| 06:38 |
|
kados |
but also for ILL |
| 06:39 |
|
kados |
etc. |
| 06:39 |
|
kados |
at its core Koha will operate much the same |
| 06:39 |
|
kados |
but the idea is that since larger libraries require compliance with international standards |
| 06:39 |
|
kados |
they are more inclined to join the project if Koha already has support for these |
| 06:39 |
|
kados |
and if they join that means more resources for Koha |
| 06:45 |
|
kados |
paul: quick question if you're available |
| 06:45 |
|
kados |
paul: when I run perl -I /path/to/modules -file /path/to/marcfile |
| 06:46 |
|
kados |
oops |
| 06:46 |
|
kados |
perl -I /path/to/modules bulkmarcimport.pl -file /path/to/marcfile |
| 06:46 |
|
kados |
how does bulkmarcimport know which database to use? |
| 06:46 |
|
kados |
since I don't specify where to find koha.conf |
| 06:47 |
|
paul |
export KOHA_CONF=/path/to/koha.conf |
| 06:48 |
|
paul |
(if you don't it automatically search /etc/koha.conf only |
| 06:48 |
|
paul |
) |
| 06:48 |
|
kados |
right that's what I thought |
| 06:48 |
|
kados |
IMO it should take koha.conf as an argument |
| 09:40 |
|
kados |
morning owen, jean |
| 09:40 |
|
owen |
Hi |
| 09:40 |
|
paul |
(not morning for jean ;-) |
| 09:41 |
|
paul |
hi owen. |
| 09:41 |
|
paul |
owen/kados : reading the logs, it seems you had a storm in athens ? |
| 09:41 |
|
owen |
A big sudden thunderstorm |
| 09:41 |
|
owen |
Did it knock out your power kados? |
| 09:42 |
|
kados |
yep ... I had a major surge that blew out both my surge protector and actually _blew up_ my UPS |
| 09:42 |
|
kados |
and my screen server was powered down as a result |
| 09:42 |
|
paul |
they are "life guaranteed" isn't it ? |
| 09:42 |
|
owen |
Holy cow. |
| 09:42 |
|
kados |
yea ... still looking into the guaranttee |
| 09:42 |
|
paul |
(i mean UPS) |
| 09:42 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 09:43 |
|
kados |
so I had to run down to Radio Shack and pick up a cheapo replacement to bring the server back online |
| 09:43 |
|
kados |
yea the ups is severaly damaaged internally -- the case managed to remain intact but it's singed |
| 09:44 |
|
kados |
I think the problem is the wiring in my apt |
| 09:44 |
|
kados |
I investigate the 'ground' and found it's not connected to anything |
| 09:45 |
|
kados |
which would explain why the UPS was destroyed :-) |
| 09:45 |
|
owen |
Sounds like you're not up to code |
| 09:45 |
|
kados |
so I've got to re-wire one of these days (at least that one) |
| 09:45 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 09:46 |
|
owen |
We have a lovely three-bedroom house available for rent :) |
| 09:47 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 09:47 |
|
kados |
in athens? |
| 09:47 |
|
owen |
Morris Ave. |
| 09:47 |
|
kados |
actually I love my place ;-) |
| 09:47 |
|
kados |
it's a one room studio |
| 09:48 |
|
owen |
Yeah, better than having to share with other people |
| 09:48 |
|
kados |
and I've got a year-two garden |
| 09:48 |
|
kados |
so that'd be hard to give up |
| 09:48 |
|
kados |
plus there's the wildlife ;-) |
| 09:53 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 09:53 |
|
kados |
hdl: did you just take out Genji's additions to the marc_word search? |
| 09:54 |
|
kados |
they were breaking my search too |
| 09:54 |
|
paul |
he take out a completly buggy SQL select. |
| 09:54 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 09:54 |
|
paul |
either something's missing, either I don't know. |
| 09:54 |
|
kados |
When I tried to email genji It bounced back |
| 09:55 |
|
kados |
does anyone have a current email address for him? |
| 09:55 |
|
kados |
his additions look nice ... but I'd like to see them cleaned up a bit |
| 09:55 |
|
paul |
try koha & koha-devel mailing lists. |
| 09:56 |
|
hdl |
kados : I only modified the search string to remove tables that were uncarefully joined. |
| 09:57 |
|
hdl |
So that now, when meking a search, I don't bring my machine down. |
| 09:57 |
|
kados |
right ... reserves, issues, etc. IIRC |
| 09:57 |
|
paul |
brign everybody computer down ;-) |
| 09:58 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 10:18 |
|
owen |
Why is it that the debarred patrons always come in when the network is down? |
| 10:19 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 10:30 |
|
owen |
It would be handy to be able to do a report that listed all available items at your branch which had a different home branch. It would help locate items which hadn't been returned to the proper branch. |
| 11:22 |
|
owen |
Lotsa folks here today, but everyone's keeping quiet |
| 11:23 |
|
hdl |
;) |
| 11:23 |
|
tim |
Did anyone notice that someone posted a request for Koha to be added to the list of packages for the next Ubuntu release? |
| 11:23 |
|
tim |
http://planet.ubuntulinux.org/ |
| 11:24 |
|
tim |
wondering if maybe it was someone from #koha |
| 11:26 |
|
owen |
Someone here mentioned it...shaun maybe? |
| 11:26 |
|
shaun |
not me, owen, I was talking about making RPMs though |
| 11:27 |
|
owen |
Hi indradg |
| 11:27 |
|
indradg |
hi owen |
| 11:27 |
|
indradg |
hi all |
| 11:30 |
|
tim |
It would be nice to have it made into RPM and deb |
