| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 02:03 |
|
Genji |
hey, what software do katipo programmers use for programming? |
| 02:07 |
|
chris |
a text editor |
| 02:32 |
|
paul |
hi chris & genji |
| 02:33 |
|
paul |
Genji : I use kate, a linux-KDE text editor |
| 02:34 |
|
chris |
i use jed |
| 02:34 |
|
chris |
or vi |
| 02:34 |
|
chris |
or emacs |
| 02:34 |
|
chris |
depends what machine im working on :) |
| 02:34 |
|
chris |
ssh, screen and a text editor are pretty much all i need |
| 02:35 |
|
chris |
emacs will do nice formatting and colour syntax hilighting if you set it up |
| 02:36 |
|
chris |
i pretty much use whatever is available |
| 02:38 |
|
hdl |
But vim will also do syntax higlighting if configured and Kate, asoasf... ;) |
| 02:38 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 02:39 |
|
chris |
i very rarely work on my machine at home |
| 02:39 |
|
chris |
i ssh onto whatever machine im working on at the time and edit there |
| 02:39 |
|
chris |
so i prefer things like vim and jed or emacs which are curses based |
| 02:40 |
|
chris |
but each to their own .. whatever works best for you is what you should use :) |
| 02:42 |
|
chris |
its exceedingly fast |
| 02:43 |
|
chris |
well to search anyway, returning the results takes a little more time |
| 02:44 |
|
chris |
and then we need to query the item specific things |
| 02:44 |
|
chris |
but i think its going to be a nice scalable fast search solution |
| 02:44 |
|
chris |
and one that can be optional |
| 02:49 |
|
paul |
chris : about "optional" do you think it would be easy to have 2 koha version |
| 02:49 |
|
paul |
* 1 without zbra, easier to install, for small libraries |
| 02:49 |
|
paul |
* 1 with zebra, harder to install but with a good/great scalability |
| 02:49 |
|
paul |
? |
| 02:52 |
|
chris |
thats the plan |
| 02:53 |
|
chris |
with a switch in system preferences |
| 02:53 |
|
chris |
usezebra=1 |
| 02:53 |
|
chris |
something like that |
| 02:53 |
|
chris |
so you have C4::SearchZebra |
| 02:54 |
|
chris |
which is used if usezebra=1 |
| 02:54 |
|
chris |
otherwise we use the existing methods |
| 02:55 |
|
chris |
i was thinking as well, that you could have a zebra server running at each branch ... in a multi branch or consortia type library |
| 02:55 |
|
chris |
for the opacs |
| 02:56 |
|
chris |
so u search locally, and only talk back to the mysql db for item specific or borrower specific stuff |
| 06:31 |
|
gavin |
Genji: similar to chris I use screen, vim, ssh all the time |
| 06:31 |
|
gavin |
also make use of cvs, svn, make a fair bit |
| 07:08 |
|
slef |
APC News just linked to greenstone |
| 07:41 |
|
kados |
paul: zebra is pretty easy to use |
| 07:41 |
|
kados |
hi everyone btw ;-) |
| 07:41 |
|
paul |
'morning kados. |
| 07:42 |
|
paul |
easy to use maybe, but is it easy to install ? |
| 07:42 |
|
kados |
paul: yep ... there are packages |
| 07:42 |
|
paul |
if as easy as other packages, then I won't have any problems with it |
| 07:42 |
|
kados |
.deb and rpm |
| 07:43 |
|
paul |
btw, did you succed to rebuild marc_Tword with the new version ? |
| 07:43 |
|
paul |
no, but ppl in france find Koha hard to set up |
| 07:43 |
|
paul |
in France, there is another ILS, called PMB (php+apache+mysql), under GPL, that is really easy to install. |
| 07:44 |
|
kados |
paul: yes |
| 07:44 |
|
paul |
small libraries goes to PMB really often & rarely choose Koha. |
| 07:44 |
|
paul |
you'll say a small library means small fees, so let's ignore them ;-) |
| 07:44 |
|
kados |
not really ... |
| 07:44 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 07:44 |
|
kados |
but that's a good point ;-) |
| 07:44 |
|
paul |
you will be right, but I don't want ppl discarding too quickly Koha. |
| 07:45 |
|
kados |
right ... it's a tough decision whether to make Koha 'on size fits all' |
| 07:45 |
|
kados |
oops ... s/on/one/ |
| 07:45 |
|
kados |
(do you know this expresion? |
| 07:45 |
|
paul |
(we will never be as easy to setup as PMB, because, with easyphp, on a winXP computer, in 2 clics you have all you need. Installing perl on windows is not as simple) |
| 07:45 |
|
kados |
right |
| 07:45 |
|
paul |
(i understand it at least) |
| 07:46 |
|
paul |
do you want to see a nice stylesheet i'm working on ? |
| 07:46 |
|
kados |
(it's become idiomatic -- it comes from clothing sizes) |
| 07:46 |
|
kados |
yes! |
| 07:46 |
|
paul |
http://bureau.paulpoulain.com:[…]ha/opac-search.pl |
| 07:46 |
|
paul |
100% standard Koha |
| 07:47 |
|
hdl |
cool :) |
| 07:47 |
|
kados |
very pretty! |
| 07:47 |
|
paul |
(required a little hack that will be commited soon) |
| 07:47 |
|
paul |
(hdl, can you call me, pls) |
| 07:47 |
|
hdl |
yes. |
| 07:47 |
|
kados |
looks good paul! |
| 07:48 |
|
kados |
paul to get Tword working I need SearchMartTest.pm right? |
| 07:48 |
|
paul |
yes. |
| 07:48 |
|
paul |
just replace use SearchMarc by SearchMarc.pm in opac-search.pl |
| 07:50 |
|
kados |
ok ... here it is: |
| 07:50 |
|
kados |
http://66.213.78.101/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl |
| 07:51 |
|
kados |
keyword doesn't seem to be working |
| 07:52 |
|
hdl |
It is just for Proof of concept, ;) |
| 07:52 |
|
kados |
right ;-) |
| 07:52 |
|
paul |
no keywotrd |
| 07:52 |
|
paul |
just title or author should work |
| 07:52 |
|
paul |
(& probably subject) |
| 07:53 |
|
kados |
paul: have you tried this: |
| 07:53 |
|
kados |
http://www.loc.gov/cgi-bin/zga[…]76,9999&CI=034920 |
| 07:53 |
|
kados |
it's pointing to my zebra server |
| 07:56 |
|
kados |
I'm thinking we need a Yaz wrapper in SearchMarc that does the search and pulls out the results in a hash ... then queries for item info, etc. |
| 07:56 |
|
paul |
kados, how do you manage biblio modifs with Zebra ? |
| 07:57 |
|
kados |
not sure of the specifics, but : "It supports incremental, safe database updates on live systems." |
| 07:57 |
|
kados |
the index only takes 3 minutes to build |
| 07:57 |
|
kados |
from scratch |
| 07:58 |
|
kados |
and it takes in raw marc data |
| 08:00 |
|
kados |
also ... it means automatically having a _very_ good Z39.50 server ;-) (mine is not too good ;-)) |
| 08:00 |
|
paul |
;-) |
| 08:00 |
|
paul |
& could be easier to extend search to more than you catalogue |
| 08:00 |
|
kados |
and adds boolian, relevance ranking, and I think stemming |
| 08:00 |
|
kados |
exactly |
| 08:01 |
|
kados |
natively searches xml |
| 08:01 |
|
kados |
s/searches/indexes/ |
| 08:03 |
|
kados |
paul: I've also just acquired 5 million MARC records ... |
| 08:03 |
|
paul |
what do you mean by "acquired" ? |
| 08:03 |
|
kados |
paul: and I'll be trying to import into Koha |
| 08:03 |
|
kados |
paul: someone donated them ;-) |
| 08:03 |
|
kados |
sanspach |
| 08:04 |
|
kados |
they will be very useful for locating bottlenecks, etc. |
| 08:04 |
|
kados |
right ;-) |
| 08:11 |
|
hdl |
kados, bug 924, your note assigned it to me but is marked fixed/worked for me. |
| 08:12 |
|
hdl |
5000000 records WOW ! smileglasses |
| 08:18 |
|
kados |
hdl: must be my mistake ;-) |
| 08:23 |
|
slef |
paul: Kartouche CVS is being moved to a public server. |
| 08:23 |
|
paul |
slef : let me know the address. |
| 08:29 |
|
hdl |
hi michael. |
| 08:52 |
|
slef |
paul: once I know. Do you want an account? |
| 08:53 |
|
paul |
why not, if the project plans to release a new version, I could give some code. |
| 09:43 |
|
paul |
hi owen. |
| 09:43 |
|
owen |
Hi |
| 09:43 |
|
paul |
happy to see you. do you have a min for a css problem (once again) |
| 09:43 |
|
owen |
Yes |
| 09:43 |
|
paul |
http://bureau.paulpoulain.com:[…]biblionumber=9955 |
| 09:43 |
|
paul |
how to get the mainbloc go until end of the table ? |
| 09:44 |
|
owen |
I think the only way to do it is to put an element after it that has a clear= value. |
| 09:44 |
|
paul |
(btw, you also can go to : http://bureau.paulpoulain.com:[…]ha/opac-search.pl, it's 100% pure Koha, just with a stylesheet /me really proud of this stylesheet) |
| 09:44 |
|
owen |
Or <br clear="both"> |
| 09:45 |
|
paul |
??? don't understand. |
| 09:45 |
|
owen |
Is the table floated? |
| 09:46 |
|
owen |
(btw, I'm not getting *any* style sheet with that second link!) |
| 09:46 |
|
paul |
you don't have |
| 09:46 |
|
paul |
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="http://bureau.paulpoulain.com/sociologie.css" /> |
| 09:46 |
|
paul |
in line 6 ? |
| 09:47 |
|
paul |
btw, the table is in a container that has : |
| 09:47 |
|
paul |
div.tabsub { |
| 09:47 |
|
paul |
background-color: #ACE6E6; |
| 09:47 |
|
paul |
visibility:hidden; |
| 09:47 |
|
paul |
margin-left:72px; |
| 09:47 |
|
paul |
margin-top:100px; |
| 09:47 |
|
paul |
margin-right:10%; |
| 09:47 |
|
paul |
} |
| 09:47 |
|
paul |
tabsub being in |
| 09:47 |
|
paul |
div.tabblocsub { |
| 09:47 |
|
paul |
position:absolute; |
| 09:47 |
|
paul |
display:block; |
| 09:47 |
|
paul |
top:123px; |
| 09:47 |
|
paul |
left:42px; |
| 09:47 |
|
owen |
Okay, I reloaded the page and now the stylesheet has loaded |
| 09:47 |
|
paul |
border: 1px solid black; |
| 09:47 |
|
paul |
} |
| 09:49 |
|
owen |
On the subscription page, do you see a black border that extends up into the orange header bloc? |
| 09:50 |
|
paul |
yes. |
| 09:50 |
|
paul |
(removed, it was just a test) |
| 09:52 |
|
owen |
Maybe it's because the div is absolutely positioned... I'm not sure. |
| 09:52 |
|
owen |
CSS is funny that way--it's sometimes hard to get the container to extend around an object when positioning is used |
| 09:53 |
|
owen |
The bibliothèque de sociologie page looks really good |
| 09:54 |
|
owen |
Adding a clearing element doesn't seem to help your problem page any :( |
| 09:54 |
|
paul |
it comes from cnrs stylesheet rules. My customer wanted to have an ILS looking like other cnrs sites. |
| 09:54 |
|
paul |
right, no change. |
| 09:57 |
|
paul |
back. |
| 10:00 |
|
owen |
Does div.tabblocsub have to be position:absolute? |
| 10:05 |
|
paul |
what do you suggest ? |
| 10:07 |
|
paul |
if i remove the position:absolute, it works partially |
| 10:07 |
|
kados |
paul: one tip ... if you validate your html you will be able to validate your css ... that may notice the problem |
| 10:07 |
|
owen |
I don't know if this will break something somewhere else, but if you take out position:absolute from div.tabblocsub { that helps |
| 10:07 |
|
paul |
the mainbloc is extended, but the table appears after the year list, where i want it facing the year list. |
| 10:07 |
|
kados |
paul: right ... because floated elements are outside the document flow |
| 10:10 |
|
owen |
So '2005' is the year list? |
| 10:10 |
|
owen |
Will that always be a single year? |
| 10:10 |
|
owen |
Maybe you could put that into the table <caption> element and style it there |
| 10:10 |
|
paul |
owen, no, i've added a 2006 entry manually. |
| 10:12 |
|
owen |
Are you trying to build the same kind of tab system you use with the MARC display? |
| 10:12 |
|
paul |
yes owen |
| 10:12 |
|
paul |
but even with the marc display, the problem is the same |
| 10:13 |
|
paul |
(i've just included them in div id=mainbloc) |
| 10:13 |
|
paul |
They were outside, so without light blue |
| 10:14 |
|
paul |
(how did you solve this with npl templates ? |
| 10:15 |
|
owen |
In the OPAC, I don't use the tab system. I just display the whole record. |
| 10:16 |
|
owen |
In the intranet, I haven't solved it either. |
| 10:30 |
|
slef |
paul: I've gone blind, or your page is blank. |
| 10:30 |
|
paul |
which page ? |
| 10:30 |
|
slef |
http://bureau.paulpoulain.com:[…]biblionumber=9955 |
| 10:30 |
|
paul |
not blank at all for me (with firefox) |
| 10:30 |
|
paul |
(or konqueror, or opera) |
| 10:31 |
|
paul |
(there is a long list of subscription / issue date & number & status) |
| 10:31 |
|
paul |
question : how to add an attachment to a mail::sendmail mail ? |
| 10:31 |
|
slef |
1mo for screenshot |
| 10:33 |
|
slef |
gopher://g.towers.org.uk/I/ss.png |
| 10:34 |
|
paul |
did you clic on 2005 ? |
| 10:34 |
|
paul |
you should have a list |
| 10:34 |
|
slef |
clicking 2005 doesn't work. It's javascript. |
| 10:34 |
|
paul |
right. |
| 10:35 |
|
paul |
(it's javascript) |
| 10:35 |
|
kados |
paul: thanks for adding the syspref for 'lost' |
| 10:35 |
|
kados |
paul: but will it impact performance? |
| 10:35 |
|
slef |
Is disability discrimination allowed in France? |
| 10:35 |
|
kados |
it adds another query right? |
| 10:36 |
|
paul |
you're welcome. my customers would probably cry a lot. |
| 10:36 |
|
paul |
no joshua, as all the systempref table is read when the 1st pref is needed. and one is needed to find template/language |
| 10:36 |
|
slef |
I've unsubscribed from koha-cvs. It's too high traffic recently. How do you follow development? |
| 10:37 |
|
owen |
By subscribing to koha-cvs ;) |
| 10:37 |
|
paul |
(no way to do it otherwise imho) |
| 10:39 |
|
paul |
ok, i've found http://alma.ch/perl/Mail-Sendm[…].html#attachments that has the answer to my question |
| 10:39 |
|
slef |
Look at http://alma.ch/perl/Mail-Sendmail-FAQ.html for additional info |
| 10:39 |
|
slef |
(CGI, examples of sending attachments, HTML mail etc...) |
| 10:39 |
|
slef |
from the manual page |
| 10:39 |
|
slef |
oops, lagged |
| 10:40 |
|
paul |
;-) |
| 10:42 |
|
kados |
btw: 5 million records indexed in 40 minutes with Zebra ;-) |
| 10:43 |
|
sanspach |
kados: so I take it the records loaded OK? :) |
| 10:43 |
|
kados |
liblime.com:9999 |
| 10:43 |
|
kados |
sanspach: yes ... thanks! |
| 10:44 |
|
kados |
(that address should work only for Yaz or some other Z39.50 client) |
| 10:45 |
|
kados |
(bad news is I forgot to index using the VOYAGER db name so I can't use the loc gateway to speed test, etc :( |
| 10:48 |
|
kados |
I'm gonna take it down and re-index :-( |
| 10:50 |
|
slef |
paul: "fixing a bug" is not a nice log message :-( |
| 10:51 |
|
paul |
slef : when i write this, it means the bugfix is trivial. Here it is : my$temp instead of my $temp |
| 10:52 |
|
slef |
paul: that's "fixing a typo" or even just "typo fix" ;-) |
| 10:52 |
|
paul |
ok, i'll remember it. |
| 10:52 |
|
paul |
(/me poor english :-( ) |
| 10:52 |
|
slef |
paul: cvs log in french then :-D |
