| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 12:40 |
|
ben |
hi |
| 12:40 |
|
ben |
brb |
| 12:40 |
|
shaun |
hi ben, everyone else |
| 12:41 |
|
indradg |
hi, i'm testing out z39.50 on 2.2.2... I have processz3950queue script running in a terminal... I'm only seeing some of the searches show up as they are taking place |
| 12:41 |
|
indradg |
funny enuf the actual searches are happening and I can import the biblios |
| 12:41 |
|
owen |
indradg, you might have to wait 'til paul is online on Monday |
| 12:41 |
|
indradg |
i'm wondering why doesnt some of the searches showing up in the terminal |
| 12:42 |
|
indradg |
kados, any idea? |
| 12:42 |
|
shaun |
it seems that the searches take a long time - the ?? message is displayed before the number of searches, and remains there for a few refreshes... |
| 12:43 |
|
indradg |
owen, thanks... will wait for the guru's return :) |
| 12:43 |
|
shaun |
is that standard behaviour? if so, i think the ?? message should go, and be replaced with something more descriptive |
| 12:47 |
|
owen |
I'm not exactly sure where in the process it gets the number of searches, but the ?? are certainly not very helpful |
| 12:47 |
|
owen |
Take a look at the script to see if you can puzzle out where it gets that number |
| 12:48 |
|
shaun |
*puzzles out :p |
| 12:57 |
|
shaun |
<!-- TMPL_IF NAME="numberpending" --><h1 class="catalogue">Still <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="numberpending" --> requests to go</h1><!-- /TMPL_IF --> |
| 12:59 |
|
shaun |
somebody who has a good knowledge of perl/templating (not me!) should write some kind of if/else thing that will print a friendly message rather than the potentially confusing "Still ?? requests to go" |
| 13:16 |
|
ben |
I concur |
| 13:16 |
|
shaun |
*after wating 1/4 hour... |
| 13:33 |
|
shaun |
is anyone apart from me here? | i request a change of topic to the koha logo... |
| 13:40 |
|
owen |
I'm here, and I pay no attention to the topic, so just ask away |
| 13:42 |
|
shaun |
lol |
| 13:43 |
|
shaun |
is there a need for the egg design to be touched up? |
| 13:44 |
|
owen |
rach is in the process of re-doing the original katipo templates, and is updating the egg design too. |
| 13:46 |
|
shaun |
oh - how far? would we be able to get in on this...? |
| 13:46 |
|
owen |
You could certainly ask her...but her specialty is design, so I think she's following her own path for the most part |
| 13:46 |
|
owen |
No reason you can't go ahead with your own redesign as well. |
| 13:47 |
|
ben |
yes |
| 13:48 |
|
shaun |
Well, we are both designers (me: web, ben: usability), and we want to see the new logos to make them fit into our design... |
| 13:49 |
|
ben |
shaun: code, design; me: usability, design |
| 13:49 |
|
shaun |
that's a matter of opinion :p |
| 13:49 |
|
ben |
meh |
| 13:51 |
|
shaun |
is it always this quiet? |
| 13:51 |
|
shaun |
I'm far too used to #gentoo or #fedora, i suppose... |
| 14:30 |
|
owen |
It *is* the weekend, after all |
| 14:35 |
|
shaun |
(i'd expect more people to be around on the weekend - do the Katipo people only sign in at work?) |
| 14:36 |
|
owen |
Yes, Koha is part of their job, just like me |
| 14:36 |
|
ben |
hi.. again. |
| 14:43 |
|
owen |
http://katipo.co.nz/gallery/koha <-- some things rach has worked on/is working on |
| 14:46 |
|
ben |
that is annoyingly good.. |
| 14:46 |
|
shaun |
I have seen that - it is more impressive, but I doubt it it will be implemented like that without a lot of css hacks... |
| 14:46 |
|
ben |
yesa |
| 14:46 |
|
owen |
That's up to her coder |
| 14:48 |
|
ben |
well, we are trying to make it look good without mucking about with fancy rubbish.. don't forget we are still focusing on usability |
| 14:48 |
|
ben |
who did the v2 redesign? |
| 14:48 |
|
owen |
paul |
| 14:49 |
|
shaun |
"her coder" - who might that be ;)? |
| 14:49 |
|
owen |
I don't remember offhand, which is why I didn't say a name |
| 14:49 |
|
shaun |
ah |
| 14:50 |
|
ben |
ok |
| 14:51 |
|
ben |
paul, no offence and sorry to say this, but your redesign was gaudy, irritant, incomplete and code-wise, innacurate |
| 14:52 |
|
owen |
Obviously! |
| 14:52 |
|
shaun |
lol |
| 14:52 |
|
ben |
however, it was the first step in making koha decent-looking, and what we are building on |
| 14:53 |
|
ben |
at koha.shaunevans.co.uk:8080 |
| 14:53 |
|
paul_away |
login/passwd ? |
| 14:54 |
|
shaun |
kohaadmin/hexthouse |
| 14:54 |
|
ben |
kohaadmin/hexthouse |
| 14:54 |
|
ben |
doh |
| 14:54 |
|
shaun |
jinx. |
| 14:54 |
|
shaun |
lol |
| 14:54 |
|
ben |
(evidently, shaun is monitoring the chat more closely than me) |
| 14:55 |
|
ben |
we did lift the tabs wholesale from mozilla.org, mbut we're working on those. |
| 14:55 |
|
paul_away |
(and : about librarian interface. I just added CSS. Most of the look is katipo) |
| 14:55 |
|
ben |
paul, we noticed |
| 14:55 |
|
shaun |
we have only concentrated so far on the header excluding tabs, and making the rest of it look clean before we make it "impressive" - thanks |
| 14:56 |
|
ben |
I am rewriting virtually all the text to make it more easy to use, like the issue with 'returns & return_waiting' earlier |
| 14:56 |
|
paul_away |
the best now should be to add "option" as popup submenus when mouseon main menu (like "catalogue" shows "search / add / virtual shelves"...) |
| 14:57 |
|
shaun |
umm, it was reserve, not returns - i thought i needed caffeine |
| 14:57 |
|
paul_away |
do you have a sourceforge account ? |
| 14:57 |
|
paul_away |
are you in the list of koha developpers ? |
| 14:57 |
|
ben |
paul, somewhere; no |
| 14:58 |
|
paul |
so, you MUST get one & work on official CVS |
| 14:58 |
|
paul |
(head branch only, please) |
| 14:58 |
|
ben |
paul: one problem, I spend most of my time in windows |
| 14:58 |
|
paul |
I can add you as developper. Just send me a mail with your cvs accound. |
| 14:58 |
|
shaun |
I don't like the idea of mouseovers showing subnavigation - each of the parts of the system should be kept as separate as possible, imo |
| 14:58 |
|
paul |
not a true problem : CVS works well on windows. Ask Owen how to do ;-) |
| 14:59 |
|
Ben |
ah well |
| 14:59 |
|
Ben |
yes, ALICE does that, too well |
| 15:00 |
|
shaun |
| i am on fedora, running the test server (*:8080 above), and know all the ins and outs of cvs having worked with apache forrest for a while - im digging out my sourceforge account. |
| 15:00 |
|
paul |
a suggestion : my opinion is that having a different color for each module is a good idea. |
| 15:00 |
|
paul |
Let the user see easily where he is. |
| 15:01 |
|
paul |
like (for instance) yellow => acquisition, green => parameters or borrowers |
| 15:01 |
|
paul |
blue => reports or authorities |
| 15:01 |
|
paul |
.... |
| 15:01 |
|
Ben |
paul, having different titles is a lot less of an eye-renching way of doing it |
| 15:01 |
|
Ben |
:) |
| 15:01 |
|
shaun |
about the colours: this has to be kept as subtle as possible - imo, the old design took the user away from the actual system far too much |
| 15:01 |
|
Ben |
plus, it means that we don't need to do 8 times the image production we already have done |
| 15:02 |
|
Ben |
yes |
| 15:02 |
|
shaun |
I suppose we could have 'flags' showing the different sections - or just change the colour of the text on the tabs |
| 15:02 |
|
Ben |
incidentally, I just completed production of an SVGof a barcode reader |
| 15:03 |
|
paul |
(do you have something in your DB ? what should I search for ?) |
| 15:03 |
|
Ben |
so we can indicate (implicitly) where / where not to use a barcode reader using a handy icon |
| 15:03 |
|
Ben |
paul, nope |
| 15:03 |
|
Ben |
nothing at all |
| 15:03 |
|
shaun |
no books, only 3 members |
| 15:03 |
|
paul |
VERY IMPORTANT thing : NO "images with text". strictly forbidden for translation purposes. |
| 15:03 |
|
Ben |
something is screwing the z39.50 importing |
| 15:04 |
|
shaun |
we fixed it (owen and i) - didnt you hear? |
| 15:04 |
|
Ben |
paul, I do, and always have, concur(red). |
| 15:04 |
|
Ben |
no |
| 15:05 |
|
shaun |
use a title (eg "the client") instead of an isb |
| 15:05 |
|
shaun |
n |
| 15:05 |
|
Ben |
brb - fetching keyboard, papers, todo list |
| 15:05 |
|
paul |
no, but let me know (on koha-devel mailing list will be perfect) if some bug has to be hunted |
| 15:06 |
|
indradg |
shaun, I'm on 2.2.2 both isbn search as well as title search works for z39.50 |
| 15:07 |
|
shaun |
well, i am not a perl programmer - that "Still ?? requests to go" is very cryptic and confusing to a n00b (me a couple of days ago :p) |
| 15:07 |
|
Ben |
shaun, another thing i'll be fixing in my extensive rewrite |
| 15:07 |
|
shaun |
ben - didnt know you knew perl... |
| 15:07 |
|
Ben |
cancel my BRB |
| 15:08 |
|
Ben |
I don't, but 3/5 of that is in the tmpl |
| 15:08 |
|
shaun |
no it isn't |
| 15:08 |
|
Ben |
oh well |
| 15:08 |
|
Ben |
not another thing I'll be fixing in my extensive rewrite then |
| 15:08 |
|
shaun |
you've missed a lot - we were talking about it (im about to dig it out...) |
| 15:09 |
|
Ben |
yes |
| 15:09 |
|
shaun |
<!-- TMPL_IF NAME="numberpending" --><h1 class="catalogue">Still <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="numberpending" --> requests to go</h1><!-- /TMPL_IF --> |
| 15:09 |
|
paul |
I hope to read you on koha-devel soon ;-) |
| 15:10 |
|
shaun |
ok - thanks paul, see you later |
| 15:10 |
|
Ben |
bye paul |
| 15:10 |
|
Ben |
thankyou for your help. < if you gave us help |
| 15:10 |
|
paul_bed |
(i'll be on irc monday, not here the rest of the week -koha training) |
| 15:10 |
|
Ben |
see you on mon then paul |
| 15:11 |
|
Ben |
byeye |
| 15:11 |
|
Ben |
brb |
| 15:11 |
|
paul_bed |
(i'm GMT+2. If I read well, you're in UK, so we have close daytime ;-) ) |
| 15:16 |
|
shaun |
paul or another admin: my sourceforge account is shaunevans |
| 15:20 |
|
Ben |
brb, fetching items |
| 15:38 |
|
Ben |
back |
| 15:39 |
|
shaun |
brb (rebooting) |
| 15:47 |
|
shaun |
back |
| 15:47 |
|
Ben |
hi shaun |
| 15:47 |
|
shaun |
hi |
| 15:47 |
|
shaun |
are there any admins around? |
| 15:50 |
|
Ben |
typical american |
| 15:58 |
|
chris |
*sigh* |
| 16:00 |
|
shaun |
chris: do you have admin rights on the sourceforge project? |
| 16:00 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 16:00 |
|
chris |
and lets cut out the typical american stuff eh |
| 16:01 |
|
shaun |
would you mind adding me (shaunevans) please? |
| 16:01 |
|
chris |
can do |
| 16:01 |
|
chris |
ur just going to work on the templates right? |
| 16:02 |
|
Ben |
yes. |
| 16:02 |
|
Ben |
mainly for our own library's purposes, though most of the changes we implement I feel should be adopted universally |
| 16:03 |
|
Ben |
since, to put it crudely and bluntly, koha currently looks awful |
| 16:03 |
|
chris |
your entitled to feel that |
| 16:03 |
|
chris |
and if people think your right, theyll adopt them |
| 16:03 |
|
Ben |
precisely |
| 16:04 |
|
chris |
but there is no need to be nasty about it |
| 16:04 |
|
Ben |
*mutter* whatever happened to equality.. |
| 16:04 |
|
chris |
same thing as happened to politeness? |
| 16:04 |
|
Ben |
that's not nasty, it's crude and blunt |
| 16:04 |
|
Ben |
apparently so. |
| 16:05 |
|
Ben |
lol - I have just been told to respect my elders by an american |
| 16:05 |
|
chris |
shaun: u are added now |
| 16:05 |
|
Ben |
anyway.... |
| 16:05 |
|
chris |
what has the fact owen is american got to do with anything? |
| 16:06 |
|
chris |
crude blunt and racist too? |
| 16:07 |
|
Ben |
nope. |
| 16:07 |
|
Ben |
I'll probably wake up tomorrow and wish I hadn't said any of this |
| 16:07 |
|
shaun |
oops, havent been following this |
| 16:08 |
|
shaun |
ben, please - for goodness sake, stop this |
| 16:08 |
|
shaun |
thanks, chris |
| 16:09 |
|
chris |
so take what i say with a grain of salt :-) |
| 16:09 |
|
Ben |
but basically, I as a consciousness have equal rights to any other consciousness, e.g. owen, mr mitchell or anyone else |
| 16:09 |
|
shaun |
"mr mitchell" - why mr mitchell ?! |
| 16:10 |
|
Ben |
mr mitchell thinks he is superior to me because he is 35 years older, and he is not superior to me |
| 16:11 |
|
chris |
i think the problem is .. you are perhaps a little forceful in espousing those principles |
| 16:12 |
|
shaun |
why does mr mitchell think that and when has he conveyed that? I think that you are becoming unnecessarily arrogant about this. |
| 16:12 |
|
Ben |
mr mitchell thinks that because he is an idiot; I am arrogant perhaps, but am mentally level or superior to him |
| 16:13 |
|
shaun |
I object to that. |
| 16:13 |
|
Ben |
I have spent much of my life struggling against the fact that people say '14 years old... immature, idiotic, hyperactive, stupid' |
| 16:14 |
|
chris |
surely only 1 year *grin* |
| 16:14 |
|
Ben |
replace 14 with my age at the time |
| 16:14 |
|
chris |
so, i think this conversation is going nowhere |
| 16:15 |
|
Ben |
so do I |
| 16:15 |
|
chris |
i dont know you from a bar of soap |
| 16:15 |
|
chris |
so lets just start over |
| 16:15 |
|
Ben |
and I wish I could think of something to say that would stop me going on about this in such a stupid manner. |
| 16:15 |
|
shaun |
I struggle with that too - the big difference is that I am responsible and polite, and make good use of my responsibility both in open source projects and in the outside world, you do not. |
| 16:16 |
|
Ben |
I am polite when I want to be, and when I am in the mood to be polite. |
| 16:16 |
|
shaun |
(sorry to draw it out, but...) |
| 16:16 |
|
Ben |
currently I am in the mood for politeness, and so am being polite, including proper grammar |
| 16:17 |
|
shaun |
you don't need to say that a website's or a product's design is shocking, pathetic, crap, or any other words that mean much the same thing. |
| 16:18 |
|
shaun |
clearly you need to have a rethink about what "arrogant" is |
| 16:18 |
|
shaun |
this is being logged, and i dont like it. |
| 16:18 |
|
Ben |
me either. |
| 16:19 |
|
shaun |
if you said this on an apache mailing list about their site (which i made a design proposal for), you would be kicked and beaten by now. |
| 16:21 |
|
shaun |
chris: are you taking sides in this...? |
| 16:21 |
|
chris |
none of my business |
| 16:22 |
|
shaun |
o... maybe we should fight this out on IM. |
| 16:22 |
|
Ben |
maybe we should just both shut up. |
| 16:23 |
|
Ben |
I am not in a mood for fighting, least of all with you |
| 16:27 |
|
chris |
anyway, i wish ya the best of luck hacking away at the templates, im going to make a coffee |
| 17:02 |
|
shaun |
going to bed now - see you tomorrow... |
| 18:33 |
|
rach |
and goes back to gardening |
| 03:43 |
|
shaun |
Hi all |
| 03:45 |
|
indradg |
hey shaun |
