| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 14:42 |
|
pate |
congrats to any liblimers hanging about |
| 14:55 |
|
chris |
heya pate :) |
| 15:04 |
|
pate |
hiya Chris ... how's the weekend treating you? |
| 15:10 |
|
chris |
pretty good so far, mind you its only 8am :) |
| 15:10 |
|
chris |
did you see on the logs we got our 2nd NZ public library yesterday? |
| 15:11 |
|
indradg |
chris, saw rachel talking abt it... good show! :) |
| 15:14 |
|
pate |
i missed it ... |
| 15:15 |
|
chris |
the interesting thing is, it went thru the full tender process, ie we were competing with the big boys ... so i think its a really good sign for koha |
| 15:17 |
|
indradg |
the tender took a long time? |
| 15:17 |
|
chris |
yeah nearly a year |
| 15:17 |
|
indradg |
same story with govt/institutional tenders here in india |
| 15:17 |
|
chris |
one things libraries dont do .. and thats hurry :-) |
| 15:31 |
|
chris |
indradg: some good cricket being played over in your part of the world at the moment |
| 15:32 |
|
chris |
the 6th game is gonna be huge |
| 15:33 |
|
indradg |
chris, yep! today was a holiday on account of indian new year... so got to watch the match |
| 15:33 |
|
chris |
ohh excellent .. that afridi .. boy can he hit or what |
| 15:34 |
|
chris |
i remember when they played nz in 2003/4 |
| 15:34 |
|
indradg |
indian media is full of the controversy over indian captain 6 match suspension |
| 15:34 |
|
chris |
we scored 304 .. and he nearly got pakistan there .. 302 they got .. that was a great game |
| 15:35 |
|
chris |
ahh right ... for slow over rate? |
| 15:35 |
|
indradg |
pakistan has some really good players |
| 15:35 |
|
indradg |
yes... slow over rate |
| 15:35 |
|
chris |
he's been a little out of form with the bat as well eh? |
| 15:36 |
|
indradg |
yes... hasn't got many runs in the last 13 or so matches |
| 15:36 |
|
chris |
maybe a blessing in disguise .. force the selectors to pick another batsman |
| 15:37 |
|
indradg |
not that easy.... ganguly has changed the nature of the indian team during his tenure as capt |
| 15:38 |
|
indradg |
indian cricket team never had a *real* national identity |
| 15:38 |
|
chris |
ahhh |
| 15:38 |
|
chris |
so they are finally playing well as a team? |
| 15:38 |
|
chris |
and now they lose the force behind that? |
| 15:39 |
|
indradg |
generally the capts would promote players from their own province... often at the expense of the other good players... and there would be tremendous amt of regional politics |
| 15:40 |
|
indradg |
ganguly is the first indian capt who refused to follow regional patterns... and brought in and mentored talented players from other regions |
| 15:40 |
|
indradg |
and going by statistics he also happens to be india's most successful test and ODI capt |
| 15:41 |
|
indradg |
but he really needs to get back in form and *fast*! |
| 15:41 |
|
chris |
yeah |
| 15:42 |
|
chris |
flemming was having quite poor form problems as well, he seems to have finally got back into form |
| 15:43 |
|
indradg |
one new face has come in the picture during the indo-pak series - Mahinder Singh Dhoni, the keeper... who can also bat :) |
| 15:44 |
|
indradg |
its good to have a full-time keeper... at least relieves Dravid from doing triple duty in the matches which he also has to captain during the absence of ganguly |
| 15:45 |
|
chris |
yeah .. and dravid is a much better batsman than he is a keeper .. well in my opinion anyway |
| 15:46 |
|
chris |
the controversy here at the moment is all about wether we should tour zimbabwe or not |
| 15:48 |
|
indradg |
why the controversy? |
| 15:50 |
|
chris |
because of the human rights issue .. and zimbabwe are still suspended from the commonwealth ... politics vs sports |
| 15:52 |
|
indradg |
aah... i c |
| 15:54 |
|
indradg |
politics ensured that we didnt play with pakistan for last so many years |
| 15:57 |
|
chris |
yeah |
| 15:57 |
|
indradg |
i'm currently printing library id cards (bar-coded) using kbarcode |
| 15:58 |
|
indradg |
its working nicely |
| 15:59 |
|
chris |
excellent :) |
| 16:01 |
|
indradg |
i'm thinking --> 1. Create the template for Library Membership cards using kbarcode since its nice and easy --> 2. write the code to parse the XMLised thingie that is actually the template -> 3. re-use some of the current barcodes.pl --> generate the cards on-demand from inside koha with addition to the borrowers table abt their card generated status |
| 16:02 |
|
chris |
hmm, that sounds like a good plan to me |
| 16:05 |
|
chris |
ok, im gonna go find some breakfast |
| 16:05 |
|
chris |
cya's later |
| 16:08 |
|
indradg |
cya |
| 08:38 |
|
owen |
Hi shaun |
| 08:39 |
|
shaun |
hi (soz, just wondering whether I had found the right place...) |
| 08:39 |
|
owen |
Yup |
| 08:40 |
|
shaun |
Ben gave you my hotmail account - things never seem to get there for some reason - my real, attended address is shaun shaunevans.co.uk |
| 08:40 |
|
owen |
Okay |
| 08:42 |
|
shaun |
The access keys that we have made so far (for the main 'tabs') are all accesskey="", with a number |
| 08:45 |
|
owen |
Yeah, that's what I'm using here and there. |
| 08:45 |
|
owen |
I've done some cursory investigation of javascript-driven access keys, but never got anywhere with it |
| 08:45 |
|
bengoodge |
got it |
| 08:46 |
|
bengoodge |
hi owen, shaun.. |
| 08:46 |
|
owen |
hi ben |
| 08:46 |
|
bengoodge |
and various others hitherto unencountered. |
| 08:46 |
|
owen |
(probably asleep) |
| 08:46 |
|
bengoodge |
lol |
| 08:47 |
|
shaun |
We had an idea of using a similar system to Alice (see http://www.softlink.net.au/) to make a series of barcodes, which when scanned access the relevant tab - wdyt? |
| 08:47 |
|
owen |
chris, rach, and si are New Zealanders (part of the team that originally built Koha) |
| 08:47 |
|
bengoodge |
ok |
| 08:47 |
|
shaun |
| hi ben - im lagging behind the conversation once again... |
| 08:47 |
|
bengoodge |
brb |
| 08:47 |
|
owen |
paul is the French developer, responsible for most of the latest developments in Koha |
| 08:48 |
|
owen |
pate is a lurker, once active with Koha but not lately |
| 08:48 |
|
owen |
kados is my colleage here at the Nelsonville Public Library, and he's probably asleep, if he has any sense ;) |
| 08:49 |
|
shaun |
the link? |
| 08:49 |
|
bengoodge |
shaun, I think that's fairly pointless, but could have some sort of use if we don't want mouse usage.. |
| 08:50 |
|
bengoodge |
we could have a strip of them running along the inside edge of the desk for dimbles etc to scan |
| 08:51 |
|
owen |
It's an interesting idea |
| 08:51 |
|
shaun |
well, in the good old days when the barcode scanner worked, it was taped to the front desk - that was before they went back to the original cards and inserts, etc.# |
| 08:51 |
|
bengoodge |
ah. |
| 08:51 |
|
owen |
Our librarians hate having to click more than once to get to anything |
| 08:52 |
|
owen |
...but we make them do it because it builds character |
| 08:52 |
|
bengoodge |
ours are used to wading through swathes of ineffectively designed windows to get to the simplest function |
| 08:52 |
|
bengoodge |
lol |
| 08:52 |
|
shaun |
Ours love clicking - the GUI of the program we use is deliberately cryptic. |
| 08:53 |
|
owen |
Windows GUI? |
| 08:53 |
|
bengoodge |
yes |
| 08:54 |
|
bengoodge |
poorly designed windows gui.. you have to switch to the master window, scroll down to the 'enquiry' item, and then double click it to get at enquiries |
| 08:54 |
|
shaun |
Talking of which: does anybody know any businesses that support Koha in the UK? Our sysadmins and head librarian are paranoid about using something that is not supported by a company. |
| 08:54 |
|
bengoodge |
btw, in that list email I sent about the reserves, your response was confusing.. |
| 08:55 |
|
shaun |
Ben: it's *Inquiry |
| 08:55 |
|
bengoodge |
fine |
| 08:55 |
|
bengoodge |
shaun, afaik there are none, unless the ones you talked to me about have UK extensions.. |
| 08:55 |
|
owen |
Some systems do use 'enquiry' |
| 08:56 |
|
owen |
kados, what about slef? He's in the UK. |
| 08:56 |
|
shaun |
meh *slaps self over lack of knowledge of unconventional spellings* |
| 08:56 |
|
bengoodge |
for the returns interface, I have come across two items which confuse me |
| 08:56 |
|
bengoodge |
(circulation.tmpl) |
| 08:57 |
|
bengoodge |
namely, RESERVE_WAITING and RESERVED.. |
| 08:57 |
|
owen |
circulation.tmpl is just for circulation. Not for returns |
| 08:57 |
|
bengoodge |
what is the difference between them? |
| 08:57 |
|
shaun |
Ben: have you been on the testing server today? I have touched up #submenu. |
| 08:58 |
|
kados |
have you guys seen http://liblime.com? |
| 08:58 |
|
bengoodge |
shaun, I looked last night... it looks basically the same as before, can we change the text size/margins/padding please.. |
| 08:58 |
|
bengoodge |
saw that a while ago |
| 08:59 |
|
shaun |
Ben: talk on gaim > |
| 08:59 |
|
owen |
This guy used to be active with Koha: http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ |
| 08:59 |
|
owen |
But I don't even see anything on his site about Koha now. |
| 09:00 |
|
kados |
I don't this there ever was ;-) |
| 09:00 |
|
owen |
Oh, maybe this is it: http://www.ttllp.co.uk/koha/ |
| 09:00 |
|
bengoodge |
hmm |
| 09:00 |
|
bengoodge |
so, for RESERVE_WAITING and RESERVED, what is the difference between them? |
| 09:01 |
|
bengoodge |
even stuart can't figure this one out, shaun.. |
| 09:02 |
|
owen |
It has to do with the status of a reserved item which is being checked out |
| 09:02 |
|
bengoodge |
yes.. |
| 09:02 |
|
owen |
When an item is placed on reserve, it gets a reserved status |
| 09:03 |
|
bengoodge |
I can understand reserved, but not reserve_waiting |
| 09:03 |
|
bengoodge |
specifically: the difference between them |
| 09:03 |
|
bengoodge |
brb |
| 09:03 |
|
owen |
When a reserved item is returned by the librarian, the item is allocated by the system to fulfill that reserve, and is given the status 'waiting' |
| 09:04 |
|
shaun |
Me being a web designer - does anybody have any opinions on the use of Mozilla-specific CSS3? rounded corners are nice, but afaik they're not going to be implemented in IE, and IE is the browser of the library that we are trying to get Koha used in. |
| 09:04 |
|
bengoodge |
moz-specific is fine |
| 09:04 |
|
owen |
The system now knows that the reserve has been fulfilled (that is, an item has been found that matches the requirements), and that frees up the other copies to circulate |
| 09:05 |
|
owen |
A 'RESERVE_WAITING' is supposedly being held at the desk for the patron who reserved it, but there are cases where another patron might want to check the item out |
| 09:05 |
|
bengoodge |
as long as it works roughly the same in ie, go for it |
| 09:06 |
|
owen |
Like a husband coming in to pick up his wife's reserves. In that case the books are being checked out by someone other than the patron for whom the books were originally reserved |
| 09:06 |
|
bengoodge |
right |
| 09:06 |
|
shaun |
*is confused |
| 09:06 |
|
bengoodge |
hang on, shaun |
| 09:06 |
|
owen |
The circulation system lets the librarian confirm the issue to the patron and cancel the reserve at the same time (since the reserve is getting fulfilled) |
| 09:06 |
|
bengoodge |
so, we have for reserved: |
| 09:07 |
|
bengoodge |
no, wait.. |
| 09:07 |
|
shaun |
ben: change your name from bengoodge to ben ;) |
| 09:07 |
|
bengoodge |
how? |
| 09:08 |
|
bengoodge |
chatzilla obeys standard irc commands |
| 09:08 |
|
shaun |
dunno, im on x-chat, rtm :p |
| 09:08 |
|
bengoodge |
so 'reserved' is for books in the library rather than set aside, for someone who is coming in later to get them? |
| 09:09 |
|
shaun |
So many questions: what is the font for the 'Koha' in the official logo? |
| 09:09 |
|
owen |
RESERVED is for books which are on reserve, but haven't been allocated by the system yet (because they haven't been found and returned by the librarian) |
| 09:09 |
|
bengoodge |
batami mt |
| 09:09 |
|
bengoodge |
right.. |
| 09:09 |
|
shaun |
| batami mt: are you sure? |
| 09:10 |
|
bengoodge |
so reserved is for books which are on loan; reserved_waiting is for books which are in the library. |
| 09:10 |
|
bengoodge |
no |
| 09:10 |
|
bengoodge |
hang on.. |
| 09:10 |
|
shaun |
owen, do you know the font? |
| 09:10 |
|
bengoodge |
bodoni mt |
| 09:10 |
|
owen |
reserved is for any book that hasn't been returned and allocated by the system. It might be checked out, or it might be on the shelf. |
| 09:10 |
|
bengoodge |
knew it was something like that |
| 09:11 |
|
bengoodge |
right.. |
| 09:11 |
|
bengoodge |
so reserved is for books which haven't yet been set aside, and reserve_waiting is for books which have been set aside? |
| 09:12 |
|
owen |
yes |
| 09:12 |
|
bengoodge |
ok |
| 09:12 |
|
shaun |
ben: are you sure that's not just your fake of the koha logo, not the official one? |
| 09:12 |
|
shaun |
* yay, i understand |
| 09:12 |
|
bengoodge |
no, it's definitely bodomi mt, I looked at it character by character |
| 09:12 |
|
bengoodge |
it's bodomi mt italic |
| 09:14 |
|
bengoodge |
so what would a suitable error message be for reserve? 'Item is on reserve. Please set it aside and notify <-- reserved -->'? |
| 09:14 |
|
shaun |
ben: compare serverroot/intranet-tmpl/default/images/kohalogo.gif with http://katipo.co.nz/albums/alb[…]ogo_001.thumb.jpg |
| 09:15 |
|
shaun |
the K seems to have a loop in yours. |
| 09:16 |
|
bengoodge |
good point |
| 09:16 |
|
bengoodge |
however, every other letter matches up.. |
| 09:17 |
|
owen |
Depends on your library's policy. In our library the person with the book in their hands gets top priority, so the librarian will always override the reservation and check the book out |
| 09:17 |
|
bengoodge |
maybe I used the separate italic font and they just italicised it |
| 09:17 |
|
shaun |
both the o and the a need to be more hollow, and the h should not be as high. |
| 09:17 |
|
bengoodge |
http://hlt.katipo.co.nz/intran[…]ha-front-koha.gif |
| 09:18 |
|
bengoodge |
that's the one in use on the koha.org/drive test-drive system |
| 09:18 |
|
bengoodge |
I used bold, btw |
| 09:19 |
|
bengoodge |
let's recap |
| 09:20 |
|
shaun |
owen: should the logo, in the top left-hand corner of our design include anything other than koha? (eg LIBRARY SYSTEM)? |
| 09:21 |
|
owen |
Come back Monday evening (your time) and ask rach. She'll know the font |
| 09:21 |
|
bengoodge |
for reserved, the item has not yet been 'returned and allocated' < meaning what? |
| 09:21 |
|
shaun |
ok, thanks |
| 09:22 |
|
owen |
Koha knows that a reserve has been fulfulled when the reserved item is checked in and the reservation is confirmed by the librarian |
| 09:22 |
|
bengoodge |
ok |
| 09:22 |
|
bengoodge |
so 'reserved' status is for items which haven't been checked back in yet? |
| 09:23 |
|
bengoodge |
and it becomes 'reserved_waiting' when the item becomes available for the reservee to collect, hence 'waiting' status? |
| 09:24 |
|
bengoodge |
? |
| 09:24 |
|
owen |
the reserved status is for items which haven't been checked in yet--although they may not be checked out |
| 09:24 |
|
Ben |
right |
| 09:24 |
|
owen |
And the status becomes 'reserved_waiting' when they are checked in and the reservation is confirmed |
| 09:24 |
|
Ben |
ok |
| 09:24 |
|
shaun |
| well done, ben :p |
| 09:25 |
|
Ben |
shaun, hrrm |
| 09:25 |
|
Ben |
you must remember I am 14 years old, British and in possession of a headache and small brother in the background |
| 09:25 |
|
owen |
Do you have a test installation of Koha up and running? |
| 09:26 |
|
Ben |
yup |
| 09:26 |
|
Ben |
http://koha.shaunevans.co.uk:8[…]qui/acqui-home.pl |
| 09:26 |
|
shaun |
yes - its running on fedora core 3 |
| 09:26 |
|
Ben |
we're doing our interface mods on it |
| 09:26 |
|
shaun |
the z3950daemon is not running atm, ill fire it up... |
| 09:26 |
|
Ben |
brb |
| 09:27 |
|
Ben |
back |
| 09:27 |
|
owen |
Looks good. You need some sample data, though, hunh? |
| 09:28 |
|
Ben |
mm. |
| 09:28 |
|
Ben |
aquisitions > add biblio has been broken by shaun's cssing, and it was incomprehensible when it worked |
| 09:28 |
|
shaun |
yes, we do - but z39.50 has errors... "Looks good." -- referring to the design? |
| 09:29 |
|
shaun |
* its circulations, not acquisitions |
| 09:29 |
|
owen |
Yes, the design looks good |
| 09:29 |
|
shaun |
wrong again |
| 09:29 |
|
shaun |
its catalogue |
| 09:29 |
|
shaun |
thanks |
| 09:29 |
|
Ben |
whatever |
| 09:29 |
|
Ben |
thanks |
| 09:29 |
|
owen |
Do you have *any* data at all? Any books or patrons entered? |
| 09:29 |
|
Ben |
we did lift the tabs wholesale from mozilla.org, but we're working on our own |
| 09:29 |
|
Ben |
we have three patrons |
| 09:29 |
|
shaun |
lol |
| 09:29 |
|
Ben |
no books though |
| 09:30 |
|
Ben |
(patrons are me, shaun and my dad) |
| 09:30 |
|
shaun |
we don't have any source of data for books - although I will try Eunice for some MARC data ;) |
| 09:30 |
|
Ben |
yes |
| 09:30 |
|
owen |
If only z39.50 was working for you, you could grab some things that way |
| 09:30 |
|
Ben |
ja |
| 09:31 |
|
Ben |
shaun, did you try any z39.50 servers at all except the british library one? |
| 09:31 |
|
shaun |
yes - new zealand got further *tries to dig out logs* |
| 09:33 |
|
shaun |
what is the location of the login script .pl? the unpriveleged user is unable to access parameters, and thus I can't get into the z39.50 settings |
| 09:34 |
|
owen |
There are a few things you need to check to get system administration working again |
| 09:34 |
|
owen |
First, make sure you have the most up-to-date copy of Auth.pm |
| 09:35 |
|
shaun |
hang on, yes i can, by using the full path - is this a potential security issue, an unpriveleged user being able to access the settings? |
| 09:36 |
|
owen |
I was able to get into your intranet with no username or password--that's what's insecure |
| 09:36 |
|
shaun |
ben turned that off so W3C can check it |
| 09:36 |
|
Ben |
we did that to let the w3c validator check it non-tediously |
| 09:37 |
|
Ben |
i.e. without uploading |
| 09:37 |
|
owen |
Well, you can't evaluate Koha's security if you've got it turned off! |
| 09:37 |
|
owen |
Have you seen this page? http://koha.shaunevans.co.uk:8[…]flags.pl?member=1 |
| 09:37 |
|
shaun |
security isn't really an issue... |
| 09:38 |
|
Ben |
we're not evaluating its security, we're checking the XHTML |
| 09:38 |
|
Ben |
yes, we did encounter that |
| 09:39 |
|
owen |
You have to have the right priviledges to access admin-home.pl |
| 09:39 |
|
shaun |
if there was a checker more comprehensive than Tidy in firefox, I would use that... |
| 09:40 |
|
shaun |
are you talking about koha permissions (member-flags.pl) or unix permissions? |
| 09:40 |
|
owen |
koha permissions |
| 09:41 |
|
Ben |
shall we just let tidy do it? w3c validator is really annoyingly pedantic, and causes thesae problems |
| 09:42 |
|
shaun |
tidy cannot tell things that are only in XHTML strict - e.g. something=something instead of something="something" on the returns page |
| 09:43 |
|
Ben |
ah |
| 09:43 |
|
shaun |
auth is back on - i am changing the password to give to owen, and other devs who want it |
| 09:43 |
|
Ben |
ok |
| 09:45 |
|
Ben |
the password is hexthouse |
| 09:46 |
|
Ben |
oh well |
| 09:46 |
|
shaun |
and username is kohaadmin |
| 09:46 |
|
Ben |
shaun,can you please send me circulations.pl? |
| 09:48 |
|
Ben |
thanks |
| 09:48 |
|
Ben |
doh |
| 09:48 |
|
shaun |
sent; please don't go editing it - we are trying to separate content from presentation |
| 09:49 |
|
Ben |
I meant circulations.tmpl... guh *slaps head* |
| 09:49 |
|
shaun |
ah... |
| 09:49 |
|
shaun |
owen: are our z39.50 settings OK? |
| 09:49 |
|
Ben |
btw owen, I presume koha has support for multiple copies? |
| 09:50 |
|
Ben |
and also, is there any 'opening days' work in the pipeline/present? |
| 09:51 |
|
owen |
Sorry, I got busy here. |
| 09:52 |
|
Ben |
shaun, circulations.tmpl please |
| 09:52 |
|
shaun |
"multiple copies" -- you mean multiple installations on one server? sure :p |
| 09:52 |
|
Ben |
no, I mean multiple copies of the same book |
| 09:52 |
|
owen |
Ben, of course |
| 09:52 |
|
Ben |
goodo |
| 09:52 |
|
Ben |
how about opening days? |
| 09:53 |
|
Ben |
we don't want it calculating that books need to be back on a day the library is going to be closed |
| 09:53 |
|
shaun |
*was wondering how a library system could go without having several copies of popular books |
| 09:54 |
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shaun |
theoretically, it cannot calculate that: if the loan time is say two weeks, the return date will be the same day, two weeks time... |
| 09:54 |
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owen |
Yeah, so your parameters screen is working now that auth is back on |
| 09:54 |
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shaun |
good - are the settings for z39.50 OK? |
| 09:55 |
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owen |
Looks okay to me, but I'm not an authority on z39.50 settings |
| 09:56 |
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Ben |
what about school terms, shaun? bank holidays? unscheduled closing? |
| 09:56 |
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owen |
Ben, there isn't a way to specify those yet |
| 09:56 |
|
Ben |
I presume that 'patron is debarred' is a Poulain mistranslation meaning 'patron is debarred' |
| 09:57 |
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owen |
Some developers in Argentina have worked out a calendar system, but they haven't shared the code with us |
| 09:57 |
|
Ben |
* patron is barred |
| 09:57 |
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Ben |
owen, we should ask nicely |
| 09:57 |
|
Ben |
:) |
| 09:58 |
|
Ben |
is 'patron is debarred' a Poulain mistranslation meaning 'patron is banned/barred' ? |
| 09:58 |
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owen |
It looks from the behavior of the z39.50 search that it's working properly, but the isbn I tried turned up nothing |
| 09:59 |
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kados |
Ben: nope that's actually the right term |
| 09:59 |
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owen |
debarred is a term used by some library systems |
| 09:59 |
|
Ben |
ok.. |
| 09:59 |
|
shaun |
none of the ISBNs i have tried have worked |
| 10:00 |
|
shaun |
5143/37 : Processing isbn=0385510454 at ZED.NATLIB.GOVT.NZ zed.natlib.govt.nz:210 pinz MARC21 (2 forks) |
| 10:00 |
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shaun |
5143/37 : 2 >> |
| 10:00 |
|
shaun |
5143/37 : creating and 5143/37 : working on results entry 9 |
| 10:00 |
|
shaun |
5143/37 : connected to ZED.NATLIB.GOVT.NZ |
| 10:00 |
|
shaun |
5143/37 : ZED.NATLIB.GOVT.NZ : no records found |
| 10:00 |
|
shaun |
5143/37 : zed.natlib.govt.nz:210 search done. |
| 10:01 |
|
Ben |
<!-- TMPL_IF NAME="DEBT" --> |
| 10:01 |
|
Ben |
<p>The borrower has a debt of <!-- TMPL_VAR name="DEBT" -->. Continue?</p> |
| 10:01 |
|
Ben |
does that mean that the borrower has exceeded their group's 'max debt before no loans' setting? |
| 10:02 |
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owen |
Could be...I'm not sure because we don't charge fines here |
| 10:02 |
|
Ben |
oh dear |
| 10:02 |
|
Ben |
kados? |
| 10:02 |
|
Ben |
kados, any ideas? |
| 10:03 |
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kados |
no it just means that the borrorer has debt ;-) |
| 10:03 |
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kados |
so it will query staff before allowing an issue ... pretty standard procedure |
| 10:03 |
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shaun |
i would suggest that the 'max debt before no loans' setting i a hard limit. |
| 10:03 |
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shaun |
i*s* |
| 10:04 |
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kados |
not sure I understand what that means |
| 10:04 |
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owen |
Guys your add biblio screen needs work :) But then again, so does mine! |
| 10:04 |
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kados |
it's hard coded? |
| 10:04 |
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Ben |
no, it's not hardcoded |
| 10:05 |
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shaun |
its a hard limit - as in it cannot be overrided by the librarian, only the person who sets parameters - am i right in saying that? |
| 10:05 |
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kados |
yep |
| 10:05 |
|
Ben |
buried in Paramaters/Settings, it's configurable |
| 10:05 |
|
Ben |
yes |
| 10:05 |
|
shaun |
5166/38 : Processing isbn=0385510454 at ZED.NATLIB.GOVT.NZ zed.natlib.govt.nz:210 pinz MARC21 (3 forks) |
| 10:05 |
|
shaun |
5166/38 : 2 >> |
| 10:05 |
|
shaun |
5166/38 : creating and 5166/38 : working on results entry 10 |
| 10:05 |
|
shaun |
5166/38 : connected to ZED.NATLIB.GOVT.NZ |
| 10:05 |
|
shaun |
5166/38 : ZED.NATLIB.GOVT.NZ : no records found |
| 10:05 |
|
shaun |
5166/38 : zed.natlib.govt.nz:210 search done. |
| 10:05 |
|
shaun |
Event: '?? Connection.pm:153' died and then $Event::DIED died with: Can't call method "attributes" without a package or object reference at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.5/i386-linux-thread-multi/Event.pm line 104. |
| 10:05 |
|
shaun |
at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.5/i386-linux-thread-multi/Net/Z3950/Manager.pm -- i think this is the problem... |
| 10:05 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 10:06 |
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kados |
good luck with that z-client |
| 10:06 |
|
kados |
check the email archives ... there may be some answers there |
| 10:06 |
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owen |
shaun, try a z39.50 search using a title instead of an isbn. That worked for me |
| 10:06 |
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kados |
I've got to go |
| 10:07 |
|
Ben |
bye kados |
| 10:08 |
|
Ben |
when are we getting some data? |
| 10:08 |
|
Ben |
shaun, I just sent my revised-messages version of circulations.tmpl |
| 10:10 |
|
Ben |
(most of it remains unchanged) |
| 10:10 |
|
shaun |
am i doing this wrong? I still get Still ?? requests to go |
| 10:12 |
|
Ben |
owen, what title would you suggest? |
| 10:12 |
|
Ben |
shaun, you should be on this page: http://koha.shaunevans.co.uk:8[…]imple/addbooks.pl |
| 10:13 |
|
Ben |
I think |
| 10:13 |
|
shaun |
I am on that page |
| 10:13 |
|
Ben |
ah |
| 10:14 |
|
shaun |
owen: what results do you get for "the client"? I have tried it and it doesn't seem to want to connect, with the same error message each time. |
| 10:14 |
|
owen |
Did you put a title in the 245a field? |
| 10:15 |
|
shaun |
yes |
| 10:17 |
|
Ben |
whoops.. (aplogogies to shaun if his printer starts printing at this point) |
| 10:18 |
|
shaun |
don't worry, ben... it is now conveniently unplugged, and the print queue is being moved to /dev/null, or somewhere thereabouts. |
| 10:18 |
|
Ben |
lol |
| 10:18 |
|
Ben |
sorry |
| 10:19 |
|
shaun |
Event: '?? Connection.pm:153' died and then $Event::DIED died with: Can't call method "attributes" without a package or object reference at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.5/i386-linux-thread-multi/Event.pm line 104. |
| 10:19 |
|
shaun |
at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.5/i386-linux-thread-multi/Net/Z3950/Manager.pm line 258 |
| 10:19 |
|
shaun |
brb |
| 10:19 |
|
Ben |
I have found some usage targets... |
| 10:20 |
|
shaun |
back |
| 10:20 |
|
Ben |
we want dimbleby/baldwin to be able to run and print the results of an enquiry on psychyology or sociology within 35 seconds |
| 10:21 |
|
Ben |
based on my measuring their speed of doing so using ALICE yesterday |
| 10:21 |
|
paul_away |
shaun : there's a bug in z3950 client in 2.2.1 it's fixed in 2.2.2 |
| 10:21 |
|
shaun |
lol... |
| 10:21 |
|
paul_away |
(not really here) |
| 10:21 |
|
shaun |
this is 2.2.2 |
| 10:21 |
|
Ben |
paul_away, we're using 2.2.2 |
| 10:21 |
|
paul_away |
mmm... strange. |
| 10:21 |
|
Ben |
paul_away, hi |
| 10:21 |
|
paul_away |
will have a look on monday. |
| 10:21 |
|
Ben |
ok |
| 10:21 |
|
Ben |
tx |
| 10:21 |
|
shaun |
was the bug similar to this problem? |
| 10:22 |
|
Ben |
brb for 20 mins |
| 10:24 |
|
shaun |
ben: don't touch anything for a min, owen: I'm restarting the z39.50 daemon with a new log for me to capture; could you try the search again in 5 minutes time please? |
| 10:24 |
|
owen |
sure |
| 10:27 |
|
shaun |
owen: ok, now if possible |
| 10:28 |
|
owen |
Yeah, I get 3 results for a search for 'the client', from Z3950-ZED.NATLIB.GOVT.NZ |
| 10:29 |
|
shaun |
that time, the error didnt come up in the log - could you guide me through what you did (i am at catalogue > add biblio atm)? |
| 10:30 |
|
shaun |
owen? |
| 10:31 |
|
owen |
I went here: http://koha.shaunevans.co.uk:8[…]mple/addbiblio.pl |
| 10:31 |
|
shaun |
done |
| 10:31 |
|
owen |
I typed 'the client' in the 245a field (tab 1), and clicked the z39.50 button |
| 10:32 |
|
owen |
After the pop-up refreshes once or twice, three results come up |
| 10:33 |
|
paul_away |
right shaun, the bug was not this. It was something like "mysql disappear". |
| 10:33 |
|
shaun |
got it! it seems as if the error message is still showing up though... |
| 10:34 |
|
shaun |
thanks paul - the problem appears to be the time the daemon takes to refresh... |
| 10:43 |
|
shaun |
there still appears to be a problem with searching for ISBNs |
| 10:45 |
|
shaun |
| brb |
| 10:48 |
|
owen |
Yeah, even searching for an isbn that came up in the previous search doesn't work |
