| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 11:18 |
|
kados |
hi all |
| 11:31 |
|
kados |
when you are off phone: is there another term variable besides "searchdesc" for displaying the original search query? |
| 11:32 |
|
kados |
that variable isn't available to opac-detail.pl |
| 12:02 |
|
paul |
kados, no there is none |
| 12:02 |
|
paul |
but i agree that's something that must be improved |
| 12:47 |
|
kados |
while I"m complaining about variables that aren't available: I'd like to be able to keep an array of all the biblionumbers of a specific query when an opac user clicks on details from the main search page ... that way we could have "previous" and "next" for the patron to scroll through the details of each result and not have to backtrack to the main results page ... |
| 12:48 |
|
paul |
right. |
| 12:48 |
|
paul |
another minor but cool improvement would be |
| 12:48 |
|
paul |
to have a "complete search" link with previously entered parameters stored. |
| 12:48 |
|
paul |
will be for a future 2.2..x |
| 12:48 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 12:48 |
|
paul |
if someone does it |
| 12:48 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 12:49 |
|
kados |
maybe I will try it :-) |
| 12:49 |
|
kados |
my perl is getting a bit better |
| 12:49 |
|
kados |
but still pretty weak |
| 12:49 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 12:52 |
|
kados |
also ... I've tried to see how to make reserves work from the book bag |
| 12:52 |
|
kados |
it looks like opac-reserve.pl only handles one bib at a time |
| 12:52 |
|
kados |
how hard would it be to make it handle multiple? |
| 12:52 |
|
paul |
right. |
| 12:52 |
|
kados |
it's a bit too complex for me |
| 12:53 |
|
paul |
i don't know, reserve process is a katipo code |
| 12:53 |
|
kados |
ahh ... maybe I'll ask chris to take a look |
| 12:57 |
|
kados |
wow ... Oracle finally got PeopleSoft |
| 12:58 |
|
paul |
10 300 000 000 USD... |
| 13:06 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 13:28 |
|
JYL57 |
Hi owen |
| 13:28 |
|
owen |
Hi |
| 13:29 |
|
owen |
We're testing it right now. |
| 13:29 |
|
paul |
Jean Yves : owen is in Nelsonville, like kados (joshua) |
| 13:30 |
|
paul |
hi owen, good morniing |
| 13:30 |
|
JYL57 |
I'm struck with the fines management which doesn't work |
| 13:30 |
|
owen |
Hi paul |
| 13:30 |
|
owen |
Hmmm.. unfortunately our library doesn't charge fines, so I haven't even looked at fines management! |
| 13:31 |
|
JYL57 |
Paul, I've changed in fines.pl the script is working without errors |
| 13:31 |
|
JYL57 |
But without any results neither ! ;-(( |
| 13:31 |
|
paul |
and he does what it's supposes to do ? |
| 13:31 |
|
paul |
ok, no |
| 13:54 |
|
kados |
hi owen |
| 13:54 |
|
owen |
'morning kados |
| 13:55 |
|
kados |
what would you say is the biggest block for 2.2 at this point? |
| 13:56 |
|
kados |
here was the list: |
| 13:56 |
|
kados |
http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=851 |
| 13:56 |
|
kados |
http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=863 |
| 13:56 |
|
kados |
http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=858 |
| 13:56 |
|
kados |
http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=841 |
| 13:57 |
|
owen |
851 and 858 are the most serious. 841 we could live with, but not for long. |
| 13:57 |
|
paul |
841 should be easy to solve. |
| 13:57 |
|
kados |
owen I think 851 is fixed |
| 13:58 |
|
paul |
(if it's really just a parameter pb) |
| 13:58 |
|
kados |
at least on 101 I can search for a patron fine |
| 13:58 |
|
owen |
I guess 863 was just for non-MARC searches, so that acutally doesn't affect us. |
| 13:59 |
|
owen |
No, 851 is not fixed. Try searching for 'ferraro, j' |
| 14:00 |
|
kados |
that's working for me on 101 |
| 14:00 |
|
owen |
In circ? |
| 14:00 |
|
kados |
ahh |
| 14:00 |
|
kados |
I misread it |
| 14:00 |
|
kados |
no in circ it doesn't work |
| 14:01 |
|
owen |
Paul, if that's a modified Koha, then they've done a lot of work on it |
| 14:01 |
|
paul |
why do you say that ? |
| 14:02 |
|
paul |
i think the GUI is really like koha |
| 14:02 |
|
owen |
I just see things that Koha can't do, like checking off items in search results and viewing them separately. |
| 14:02 |
|
owen |
They offer a long list of fields to choose from in their search box at the top. |
| 14:03 |
|
owen |
they offer printouts based on different bibliography formats |
| 14:03 |
|
kados |
owen are you sure that 851 isn't a template problem? |
| 14:03 |
|
kados |
looks like there is no value listed in that template for biblionumber |
| 14:03 |
|
kados |
sorory for patron number |
| 14:03 |
|
kados |
around line 163 or so |
| 14:03 |
|
kados |
circulation.tmpl |
| 14:04 |
|
kados |
in fact, I'm not sure why those branch and printer hidden inputs are there ... |
| 14:06 |
|
kados |
yikes ... now it's really acting strangly |
| 14:06 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 14:06 |
|
owen |
? |
| 14:07 |
|
kados |
sorry ... wrong machine ;-) |
| 14:07 |
|
kados |
so looks like the defailt template is acting the same way |
| 14:07 |
|
owen |
Yeah |
| 14:08 |
|
owen |
I would think it has to so with whatever module handles the search, since it works for a full last name but not a last name with partial first name |
| 14:09 |
|
kados |
ooh it might be the comma |
| 14:09 |
|
kados |
Ferraro Joshua works |
| 14:09 |
|
kados |
and Joshua Ferraro works too |
| 14:10 |
|
kados |
we may have customized a s/// for the last version of Koha -- I'll try to track it down |
| 14:10 |
|
owen |
Any reason why the official version shouldn't strip out commas? |
| 14:10 |
|
paul |
i don't think |
| 14:11 |
|
kados |
ok ... I can commit those two lines (also stripps out ') |
| 14:12 |
|
owen |
Paul, have you had a chance to look at Bug 841? |
| 14:14 |
|
paul |
mmm... strange work fine for me. |
| 14:15 |
|
paul |
(with default template & language english) |
| 14:15 |
|
owen |
Hmm... Suddenly title, author, and subject searches aren't working in the intranet... |
| 14:16 |
|
owen |
Paul, regarding bug 841, when I open up the additem screen the link to edit an item looks like this: |
| 14:16 |
|
owen |
http://66.213.78.101:8080/cgi-[…]id=84479&itemnum= |
| 14:16 |
|
owen |
With no value after itemnum |
| 14:19 |
|
kados |
owen I'm having problems commiting to CVS ... |
| 14:19 |
|
kados |
can you commit the following: |
| 14:20 |
|
kados |
circulation.pl lines 59 and 60: |
| 14:20 |
|
kados |
$findborrower =~ s|,| |g; |
| 14:20 |
|
kados |
$findborrower =~ s|'| |g; |
| 14:20 |
|
kados |
or someone ... |
| 14:24 |
|
kados |
hmmm I wonder what's happened to title, author and subject in the intranet ... |
| 14:24 |
|
kados |
I guess I never tested it before now |
| 14:25 |
|
kados |
here's the query in the log: |
| 14:25 |
|
kados |
select distinct m1.bibid from biblio,biblioitems,marc_biblio,marc_word as m1,marc_word as m2 where biblio.biblionumber=marc_biblio.biblionumber and biblio.biblionumber=biblioitems.biblionumber and m1.bibid=marc_biblio.bibid and (m1.bibid=m2.bibid) and |
| 14:25 |
|
kados |
((m1.word like 'neal' and m1.tagsubfield in ('bibl'))and (m2.word like 'stephenson' and m2.tagsubfield in('bibl'))) order by biblio.title term is neal stephenson at /usr/local/koha/intranet/modules//C4/SearchMarc.pm line 267 |
| 14:25 |
|
paul |
hehe |
| 14:26 |
|
paul |
bibl are the 4 firsts digit of biblio.something |
| 14:26 |
|
kados |
ahh |
| 14:26 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 14:26 |
|
paul |
there's a parameter missing |
| 14:26 |
|
paul |
that confuses SearchMarc |
| 14:26 |
|
paul |
I bet USD10 |
| 14:26 |
|
paul |
for the modify/deletion imopssible, i'm really confused myself |
| 14:26 |
|
paul |
works fine for me... |
| 14:27 |
|
owen |
Why are our parameters messed up all of a sudden? |
| 14:27 |
|
kados |
hmmm could they have been messed up by updatedatabase? |
| 14:28 |
|
paul |
should not |
| 14:28 |
|
kados |
hmmm ... broke in the opac too |
| 14:28 |
|
kados |
they were working fine yesterday before I updated Koha and ran updatedatabase |
| 14:29 |
|
paul |
and did you note what was modified ? |
| 14:29 |
|
paul |
updatedatabase explain what it does |
| 14:29 |
|
kados |
I don't think so ... /me checks |
| 14:30 |
|
kados |
nope |
| 14:31 |
|
kados |
but I can confirm (I think) that it's updatedatabase: |
| 14:31 |
|
kados |
our other server has the same problem (a brand new database uploaded yesterday and ran updatabase on) |
| 14:31 |
|
kados |
brand new copy of database ... |
| 14:32 |
|
paul |
not a good news... |
| 14:32 |
|
kados |
it would take a while (several hours) to import the database again to get output for updatedatabase |
| 14:32 |
|
paul |
a trick : |
| 14:32 |
|
paul |
* import |
| 14:32 |
|
paul |
* stop mysql |
| 14:32 |
|
paul |
* copy /var/lib/mysql/npl directory somewhere else |
| 14:32 |
|
paul |
* restart mysql |
| 14:33 |
|
paul |
if you have to rollback, just stop & copy again ! |
| 14:33 |
|
kados |
problem: none of our test servers are running same version of mysql :-( |
| 14:33 |
|
kados |
so I think we need to use mysqldump |
| 14:33 |
|
paul |
you're probably right |
| 14:34 |
|
kados |
I'll run it |
| 14:34 |
|
kados |
owen: but not on 101 |
| 14:35 |
|
owen |
Hunh? |
| 14:36 |
|
kados |
owen: I have to import the data again on 69 so I can run updatedatabase and track down the problem with it ... but I'm not doing that on 101 cause that machine is slower ... after we resolve the problem I'll fix the data on 101 (if updatedatabase is even the culprit) |
| 14:37 |
|
owen |
Okay |
| 14:54 |
|
kados |
owen ... a quick question about the hotkeys ... |
| 14:54 |
|
owen |
Yeah |
| 14:54 |
|
kados |
would it be possible to have a key to insert the first part of a barcode? |
| 14:54 |
|
kados |
when we need to type them |
| 14:56 |
|
owen |
Well, the accesskeys are a function of HTML and the browser. All you can do with those is move the cursor focus. |
| 14:56 |
|
owen |
It's possible that there's a javascript solution, but I'm not sure. |
| 14:56 |
|
owen |
I wonder if a Windows macro program would work? |
| 14:57 |
|
owen |
Something that would let you bind certain key combinations globally. |
| 15:00 |
|
kados |
a javascript might be better since it would be a one-time deal |
| 15:00 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 15:00 |
|
kados |
course that means one of us would have to do it :-) |
| 15:02 |
|
owen |
kados: Tina's question in the Koha forum is very relevant, because the way that information is displayed has changed in 2.2. |
| 15:03 |
|
owen |
I'm not sure it's an improvement, but we'll have to make a conscious decision on how it *should* work. |
| 15:04 |
|
owen |
Maybe "4 of 6 copies are available, in Nelsonville, Athens, Glouster, and The Plains" |
| 15:05 |
|
kados |
ooo that's nice ... I like it |
| 15:05 |
|
owen |
Looking at Cinci's catalog...it's a real mouthful when you've got 23 branches! |
| 15:05 |
|
kados |
yep ... |
| 15:06 |
|
kados |
and I don't think their details page holdings collum is too good either |
| 15:06 |
|
kados |
obviously displaying holdings for patrons is a repl problem |
| 15:06 |
|
kados |
real |
| 15:07 |
|
kados |
maybe we should initiate a dialog on the forum about how best to dispay holdings data on the details and initial search pages |
| 15:07 |
|
owen |
I think so |
| 15:07 |
|
kados |
I'm pretty sure I can whip up variables if they dont exist now (my perl is getting a bit better) |
| 15:08 |
|
owen |
Yeah, let's cram as many availability variables into the script as possible to allow for the most possible permutations. |
| 15:08 |
|
kados |
well ... give me a list :-) |
| 15:08 |
|
kados |
what do we have now? |
| 15:10 |
|
kados |
in the BIBLIO_RESULTS loop: |
| 15:11 |
|
kados |
oops I guess nothing there |
| 15:11 |
|
kados |
<!-- TMPL_LOOP NAME="ITEM_RESULTS" --> |
| 15:11 |
|
kados |
<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="datedue" --> |
| 15:12 |
|
kados |
<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="datelastseen" --> |
| 15:12 |
|
kados |
that's all I see in opac-detail.tmpl (default) |
| 15:14 |
|
kados |
opac-searchresults.tmpl: |
| 15:14 |
|
owen |
I think it's the search results page that's really an issue. I wonder if that's what Tina's talking about? |
| 15:15 |
|
kados |
<!-- TMPL_LOOP NAME="results" --> |
| 15:15 |
|
kados |
<!-- TMPL_VAR name="totitem" --> |
| 15:15 |
|
kados |
<!-- TMPL_VAR name="locationstring" --> |
| 15:15 |
|
kados |
<!-- TMPL_LOOP name="CN" --> |
| 15:15 |
|
kados |
<!-- TMPL_VAR name="holdingbranch" --> |
| 15:15 |
|
kados |
not sure what CN is (and it's commented out in default) |
| 15:16 |
|
kados |
is <!-- TMPL_LOOP NAME="numbers" --> page numbers or item numbers? |
| 15:17 |
|
owen |
page numbers |
| 15:18 |
|
kados |
we've also got |
| 15:18 |
|
kados |
<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="itemcount" --> |
| 15:18 |
|
kados |
<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="location" --> |
| 15:19 |
|
kados |
I think that's about it |
| 15:20 |
|
kados |
so for opac-searchresults.pl what don't we have? |
| 15:20 |
|
owen |
brb |
| 15:21 |
|
kados |
brb? |
| 15:24 |
|
owen |
be right back. And I am. |
| 15:24 |
|
kados |
ahh :-) |
| 15:24 |
|
owen |
So right now the opac says something like "Bookmobile(1) Unavailable(1)" |
| 15:25 |
|
owen |
In the 2.2 opac it says something like "BKM ALB (On Loan until 2004-07-27)" |
| 15:25 |
|
kados |
yup ... those codes should be hashed to the full branch name |
| 15:26 |
|
owen |
Yes. But I'm not sure the due date information belongs on that screen. |
| 15:26 |
|
kados |
iirc stephen modified our opac-searchresults to display copies per branch, no? |
| 15:27 |
|
kados |
well ... it doesnt really matter ... a TMPL_IF could hide or display that branch |
| 15:27 |
|
owen |
Well, the opac is running off something that's between 2.0 and 2.2, right? So we needed to make changes to match the 2.0 output. |
| 15:28 |
|
kados |
<!-- TMPL_UNLESS NAME=duedate --><!-- TMPL_VAR NAME=branchid --> should do the trick (I think) |
| 15:28 |
|
kados |
right |
| 15:29 |
|
owen |
Personally, I like the way it is now in our opac. I don't see the problem with 'unavailable' The reason it doesn't say 'checked out' is because the item might be lost or damaged, I think. |
| 15:29 |
|
kados |
right or staff-use or notforloan or ... |
| 15:29 |
|
kados |
there are too many statuses to make such a binary distinction |
| 15:31 |
|
kados |
well I've never had trouble understanding unavailable |
| 15:31 |
|
kados |
but we are dealing with the public here :-) |
| 15:31 |
|
kados |
long words can be confusing ;_0 |
| 15:32 |
|
owen |
I do seem to remember that patrons didn't understand Spydus's terminology: "No copies available." |
| 15:32 |
|
owen |
Seems pretty clear to me! |
| 15:33 |
|
kados |
yea ... it's frustrating ... |
| 15:33 |
|
kados |
Tina mentioned to me that she gets calls every day from patrons wondering what unavailable means |
| 15:34 |
|
owen |
???! |
| 15:34 |
|
kados |
patrons might not understand that there are multiple statuses for an item |
| 15:34 |
|
owen |
It means you can't have it! |
| 15:34 |
|
owen |
No books for you! |
| 15:34 |
|
kados |
hehe ... I guess some folks think it means the library doesn't own it! |
| 15:35 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 15:35 |
|
kados |
and then they want to know if they can request it ... etc |
| 15:36 |
|
kados |
did you see my cinci opac-detail page where I put "available" and "unavailable" in different colors ... and also had a like for reserving, etc? |
| 15:36 |
|
owen |
No, I didn't see that. |
| 15:36 |
|
kados |
maybe something like that would be useful for the opac-searchresults page ... something that would make it clear that the item is accessible even it it's not available |
| 15:38 |
|
kados |
here it is: |
| 15:38 |
|
kados |
https://opac.athenscounty.lib.[…]ha/opac-detail.pl |
| 15:39 |
|
owen |
oooh... secure! |
| 15:39 |
|
kados |
yep :-) |
| 15:39 |
|
kados |
sortof ... it's a self-issued cert |
| 15:40 |
|
kados |
so the transaction is secure |
| 15:40 |
|
kados |
but open to a man-in-the-middle attack ... but this is pretty unlikely |
| 15:40 |
|
kados |
and the data would still be encrypted |
| 15:40 |
|
kados |
hehe ... |
| 15:41 |
|
owen |
the CN loop was commented out because of our customizations |
| 15:41 |
|
owen |
But that's what's used in the latest official version. |
| 15:42 |
|
kados |
ahh ... what is CN anyway? |
| 15:42 |
|
owen |
It's what lists the branch codes |
| 15:42 |
|
owen |
I don't know what it stands for. |
| 15:42 |
|
owen |
Something in French? |
| 15:43 |
|
owen |
I'm still confused about this 'itemcallnumber' stuff. |
| 15:52 |
|
kados |
isn't it just the callnumber for that item? (dewey) |
| 15:52 |
|
kados |
so SF Stephenson for Cryptonomicon |
| 15:52 |
|
kados |
although iirc the dewey number isn't showing up ... |
| 15:52 |
|
kados |
but that might be our fault |
| 15:52 |
|
owen |
It's something new in 2.2 |
| 15:53 |
|
owen |
Call number is showing up in the opac searchresults, if that's what you mean. |
| 15:53 |
|
kados |
oh! |
| 15:53 |
|
kados |
that's useful |
| 15:53 |
|
owen |
:) |
| 15:53 |
|
kados |
we have that in our opac too don't we? |
| 15:54 |
|
owen |
Call number? yes. |
| 16:14 |
|
owen |
So what are all the variables we're talking about for the holdings information? |
| 16:14 |
|
owen |
-- A list of branch names |
| 16:14 |
|
owen |
-- a list of branch codes |
| 16:14 |
|
owen |
-- total number of available items |
| 16:14 |
|
owen |
-- total number of unavailable items |
| 16:15 |
|
owen |
-- numbers of available items at each branch |
| 16:15 |
|
owen |
-- due dates for individual items at each branch |
| 16:19 |
|
owen |
What about: -- numbers of items with different statuses, like checked-out, lost, waiting, etc? |
| 16:29 |
|
owen |
For this kind of thing it might be nice to have a setup interface like ISBD has |
| 17:02 |
|
chris |
morning |
| 17:02 |
|
JYL57 |
Hello chris |
| 17:03 |
|
JYL57 |
Was more or less waiting for you...;-) |
| 17:04 |
|
JYL57 |
What about the fines management for your libraries ?! |
| 17:04 |
|
owen |
chris is always popular! |
| 17:04 |
|
JYL57 |
Do you use it ? |
| 17:04 |
|
chris |
which library? :) |
| 17:05 |
|
chris |
at HLT (the koha originators) we use fines.pl |
| 17:05 |
|
JYL57 |
fines2.pl does work in 2.2 and I'm trying to understand how it is supposed to work... |
| 17:05 |
|
chris |
sorry fines2.pl |
| 17:06 |
|
chris |
right i should be able to help with that |
| 17:06 |
|
chris |
its designed to run as a cron job |
| 17:06 |
|
JYL57 |
good |
| 17:06 |
|
chris |
(we also use another script that emails ppl with overdues but ill worry about that later) |
| 17:07 |
|
chris |
the way fines2.pl works is that it looks |
| 17:07 |
|
JYL57 |
I've already seen that categoryitem table has been changed for issuingrules table |
| 17:07 |
|
chris |
ahh, good point |
| 17:07 |
|
chris |
im not entirely sure how fines2.pl will work with 2.2 |
| 17:08 |
|
chris |
i havent tried it yet |
| 17:08 |
|
chris |
but with 2.0.x and 1.2.x |
| 17:08 |
|
JYL57 |
In fact, paul told me that also ! :-D |
| 17:08 |
|
chris |
it simply gets todays date |
| 17:08 |
|
JYL57 |
yes and checks against the foreseen return date |
| 17:09 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 17:09 |
|
chris |
so you pass CalcFine an itemnumber, a borrower category, and the difference ie |
| 17:10 |
|
chris |
CalcFine(1,'A',7); |
| 17:10 |
|
chris |
and it works out if a fine should be placed |
| 17:10 |
|
JYL57 |
yes, I'm just there |
| 17:10 |
|
chris |
it does this buy looking at categoryitem |
| 17:11 |
|
chris |
| A | ART | NULL | NULL | 1.000000 | 1.000000 | 7 | 7 | 28 | Fine |
| 17:11 |
|
JYL57 |
you mean issuingrules.issuelength ?! |
| 17:11 |
|
chris |
nope |
| 17:11 |
|
chris |
in 1.2 category item looks like this |
| 17:12 |
|
chris |
+--------------+----------+----------------+----------------+---------------+----------+-------------+--------------+-------------+------------+ |
| 17:12 |
|
chris |
| categorycode | itemtype | restrictedtype | rentaldiscount | reservecharge | fine | firstremind | chargeperiod | accountsent | chargename | |
| 17:12 |
|
chris |
+--------------+----------+----------------+----------------+---------------+----------+-------------+--------------+-------------+------------+ |
| 17:12 |
|
chris |
| A | ART | NULL | NULL | 1.000000 | 1.000000 | 7 | 7 | 28 | Fine | |
| 17:12 |
|
chris |
+--------------+----------+----------------+----------------+---------------+----------+-------------+--------------+-------------+------------+ |
| 17:13 |
|
chris |
which tells koha, a borrower of type A .. that has an item of itemtype ART overdue .. will get a $1 fine after 7 days, then after another 7 days, it will get another $1 fine |
| 17:13 |
|
JYL57 |
Ok, new table name for that in 2.2 is issuingrules ! |
| 17:13 |
|
chris |
until it hits 28 days overdue |
| 17:13 |
|
chris |
right i highly doubt fines2.pl will work in 2.2 then |
| 17:14 |
|
chris |
at 28 days overdue the item is marked lost and the replacement cost is added to the persons card |
| 17:14 |
|
chris |
i suspect CalcFines will need to be rewritten for 2.2 |
| 17:14 |
|
JYL57 |
Right, and that's where I'm ! |
| 17:15 |
|
chris |
lemme go look at one of 2.2 installs and ill see how bad it looks :) |
| 17:16 |
|
kados |
woa lotta action since I was here last :-) |
| 17:16 |
|
kados |
hi guys |
| 17:16 |
|
JYL57 |
not so bad I suppose |
| 17:16 |
|
chris |
hmm not too bad most of the column names are the same |
| 17:16 |
|
chris |
hi joshua |
| 17:17 |
|
chris |
my $sth=$dbh->prepare("Select * from items,biblioitems,itemtypes,categoryitem where items.itemnumber=? |
| 17:17 |
|
chris |
and items.biblioitemnumber=biblioitems.biblioitemnumber and |
| 17:17 |
|
chris |
biblioitems.itemtype=itemtypes.itemtype and |
| 17:17 |
|
chris |
categoryitem.itemtype=itemtypes.itemtype and |
| 17:17 |
|
chris |
categoryitem.categorycode='?' and (items.itemlost <> 1 or items.itemlost is NULL)"); |
| 17:17 |
|
chris |
i reckon if we just change this |
| 17:18 |
|
chris |
categoryitem becomes issuingrules |
| 17:18 |
|
JYL57 |
I've done so already |
| 17:18 |
|
JYL57 |
but the amount remains to 0 |
| 17:18 |
|
chris |
hmm |
| 17:18 |
|
chris |
whats in your issuingrules table? |
| 17:18 |
|
chris |
can u paste in one line of it? |
| 17:19 |
|
JYL57 |
I'll try to, let me just a minute... |
| 17:19 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 17:23 |
|
kados |
paul still around? |
| 17:24 |
|
kados |
I'm about to run updatedatabase on our test server to problem-solve the parameters bug (data finally finished loading -- and I made a copy of the /var/lib/mysql/Koha dir so next time will be quick :-)) |
| 17:26 |
|
JYL57 |
chris, I've problems with my proxy settings and can't easily copy my queries results... hold on please... |
| 17:31 |
|
kados |
hmmm the output looked normal so I've committed it as a bug |
| 17:33 |
|
kados |
http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=878 |
| 17:41 |
|
JYL57 |
chris, i won't have that issuingrules output easily... |
| 17:42 |
|
JYL57 |
anyway, what is the meaning of the code in fines.pl around line 197 |
| 17:42 |
|
JYL57 |
if ($difference == $data->{'firstremind'}) { |
| 17:43 |
|
chris |
in fines2.pl ? |
| 17:43 |
|
JYL57 |
no, in fines.pl |
| 17:43 |
|
chris |
where is fines.pl ? |
| 17:43 |
|
JYL57 |
yes in fines.pl |
| 17:43 |
|
JYL57 |
for sub calcfine |
| 17:43 |
|
chris |
i cant find a file called fines.pl |
| 17:43 |
|
chris |
ohhh Fines.pm ? |
| 17:44 |
|
chris |
hang on ill look |
| 17:44 |
|
JYL57 |
Yes, sorry ! |
| 17:44 |
|
chris |
ahh right |
| 17:44 |
|
chris |
if ($difference == $data->{'firstremind'}){ |
| 17:44 |
|
chris |
says |
| 17:45 |
|
chris |
if the book is overdue by the same amount of time as the first reminder |
| 17:45 |
|
chris |
ie |
| 17:45 |
|
chris |
for my example before |
| 17:45 |
|
chris |
it was 7 |
| 17:45 |
|
chris |
so if difference == 7 |
| 17:45 |
|
chris |
then the fine will be set |
| 17:46 |
|
chris |
so in issuingrules |
| 17:46 |
|
chris |
the firstremind column is what koha is using to decide when to set a fine |
| 17:46 |
|
JYL57 |
I'm coming here with $difference = 72 and $data->{'firstremind'} = 28 |
| 17:47 |
|
chris |
right |
| 17:47 |
|
chris |
so it will skip right past that first one |
| 17:47 |
|
chris |
next it will look at |
| 17:47 |
|
chris |
my $second=$data->{'firstremind'}+$data->{'chargeperiod'}; |
| 17:47 |
|
chris |
if ($difference == $second){ |
| 17:47 |
|
chris |
what is your chargeperiod ? |
| 17:47 |
|
chris |
28 as well? |
| 17:48 |
|
JYL57 |
no |
| 17:48 |
|
JYL57 |
it's 1 |
| 17:48 |
|
chris |
ah ha |
| 17:48 |
|
chris |
so at this point |
| 17:48 |
|
JYL57 |
I don't know why... |
| 17:48 |
|
chris |
$second = 29 |
| 17:48 |
|
JYL57 |
yes |
| 17:48 |
|
chris |
difference still = 28 |
| 17:48 |
|
chris |
sorry 73 |
| 17:48 |
|
chris |
72 |
| 17:49 |
|
chris |
(cant type :-)) |
| 17:49 |
|
chris |
so nothing gets done |
| 17:49 |
|
chris |
finally |
| 17:49 |
|
JYL57 |
Is it normal ?! |
| 17:49 |
|
chris |
if ($difference == $data->{'accountsent'} && $data->{'fine'} > 0){ |
| 17:49 |
|
JYL57 |
My book is largely overdue and nothing to pay ?! |
| 17:49 |
|
chris |
thats right |
| 17:49 |
|
chris |
because |
| 17:50 |
|
chris |
it would have got caught at 28days |
| 17:50 |
|
chris |
then at 29 |
| 17:50 |
|
chris |
then again when difference = accountsent |
| 17:50 |
|
chris |
ie, it wouldnt get to 72 without a fine being set |
| 17:50 |
|
JYL57 |
And if the library is closed during summer ? |
| 17:51 |
|
chris |
the cron job will still run everyday |
| 17:51 |
|
JYL57 |
so, you mean that my test set was wrong |
| 17:52 |
|
chris |
yeah, its set up on the assumption that a book cant suddenly be 72 days overdue |
| 17:52 |
|
chris |
ie its assumed the script will run every night |
| 17:53 |
|
chris |
so if you return the book before 28 days overdue, u get no fine, if it hits 28, it sets a fine |
| 17:53 |
|
JYL57 |
With the 2.2 we have know the possibilty to issue on a particular date |
| 17:53 |
|
chris |
so you can issue in the past? |
| 17:53 |
|
chris |
(i hope not :)) |
| 17:53 |
|
JYL57 |
yes, somehow |
| 17:53 |
|
chris |
darn, that should be fixed |
| 17:54 |
|
JYL57 |
It can be useful if the system is down for a few days... |
| 17:54 |
|
chris |
hmm true |
| 17:55 |
|
chris |
if you issued with a due date of longer than accountsent ago, then fines2.pl would never catch it |
| 17:55 |
|
JYL57 |
According to me, the calcfine could be enhanced a little to avoid my case... |
| 17:55 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 17:55 |
|
chris |
what it could do |
| 17:56 |
|
chris |
is if ($difference > $data->{'accountset'}){ |
| 17:56 |
|
chris |
set fine |
| 17:56 |
|
JYL57 |
Right ! |
| 17:57 |
|
JYL57 |
And what is the purpose of the /tmp/fines file ?! |
| 17:57 |
|
chris |
just a log |
| 17:58 |
|
JYL57 |
Ok |
| 17:58 |
|
chris |
you could get it emailed to a librarian each morning say |
| 17:58 |
|
chris |
to see what overdues were marked last night |
| 17:58 |
|
JYL57 |
I'll send the modified fines.pm & fines2.pl to paul tonight |
| 17:58 |
|
chris |
cool |
| 17:59 |
|
chris |
# Yes. Set the fine at 5 local monetary units. |
| 17:59 |
|
chris |
# FIXME - This '5' shouldn't be hard-wired. |
| 17:59 |
|
chris |
$amount=5; |
| 17:59 |
|
chris |
if you wanted to fix that that would be cool to :) |
| 17:59 |
|
JYL57 |
the Maxfine is somewhere in a table ?! |
| 18:00 |
|
chris |
nope, thats the problem :) |
| 18:00 |
|
chris |
it probably should be in issuingrules |
| 18:00 |
|
chris |
might be worth making a bug for that one actually |
| 18:00 |
|
JYL57 |
Yes, I will |
| 18:01 |
|
JYL57 |
thanks for your help chris ! |
| 18:01 |
|
chris |
no problem |
| 18:02 |
|
kados |
owen still around? |
| 18:03 |
|
kados |
tina just forwarded me this link to a nice-looking catalog: |
| 18:03 |
|
owen |
chris--interesting about that modified version of Koha. Too bad they're not interested in participating in the wider Koha community. It looks like they have some good stuff going on there. |
| 18:03 |
|
kados |
http://catalog1.mln.lib.wv.us/ |
| 18:03 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 18:03 |
|
kados |
maybe we can get them interested in contributing |
| 18:04 |
|
owen |
Yeah, wave some of our cash at them kados ;) |
| 18:04 |
|
chris |
heh |
| 18:04 |
|
kados |
I see things I like and things I don't like |
| 18:04 |
|
chris |
i reckon if we be nice we could get some contribution |
| 18:04 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 18:05 |
|
kados |
things should get interesting when PINES finishes |
| 18:05 |
|
owen |
That link is a "Triple-I" system, which is one of those ungodly expensive ones. |
| 18:05 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 18:05 |
|
kados |
ohiou uses it |
| 18:06 |
|
kados |
I think I could make a Triple-I template for Koha fairly easily :-) |
| 18:06 |
|
kados |
there's very little that they can do that we can't |
| 18:06 |
|
chris |
im sure there will be stuff in pines koha can use |
| 18:06 |
|
chris |
in the meantime we have about a year to keep getting better :) |
| 18:06 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 18:07 |
|
owen |
That Triple-I search may have some nice features, but it's ugly as sin. |
| 18:07 |
|
kados |
I'd like to put together a demo page where folks could dynamically change the opac skin from the opac (change to Dynix, Sirci, Triple-I, Alexandria, etc) |
| 18:07 |
|
kados |
hmmm maybe ugly, but easy to find status, etc. |
| 18:07 |
|
kados |
from the detail page |
| 18:08 |
|
chris |
ulll have to be careful with that kados |
| 18:08 |
|
chris |
proprietary vendors go mental about "IP" |
| 18:09 |
|
kados |
right ... |
| 18:09 |
|
chris |
if you did one that you could dynamically change to lots of different templates easy |
| 18:09 |
|
chris |
(like the cahnge language button) |
| 18:10 |
|
chris |
but not too similair .. similair but not the same |
| 18:10 |
|
chris |
youd probably be ok |
| 18:10 |
|
chris |
and it would be a cool demo |
| 18:10 |
|
kados |
sounds good |
| 18:10 |
|
chris |
its certainly nothing those systems can do |
| 18:11 |
|
chris |
i think a great start is |
| 18:11 |
|
chris |
a pda theme |
| 18:11 |
|
chris |
and a bad eyesight theme |
| 18:11 |
|
kados |
yea that's a me original |
| 18:11 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 18:11 |
|
kados |
cinci had "kids catalog" |
| 18:11 |
|
chris |
that too |
| 18:11 |
|
kados |
and I changed it to "pda catalog" |
| 18:11 |
|
owen |
Heck for that all you need are some alternate stylesheets |
| 18:11 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 18:11 |
|
chris |
tis true owen |
| 18:11 |
|
kados |
actually, for all of this that's all you need |
| 18:12 |
|
chris |
its easy, but it looks cool |
| 18:12 |
|
chris |
and ppl love stuff that looks cool |
| 18:12 |
|
kados |
I just need to come up with a really solid organization for the css |
| 18:12 |
|
kados |
and then it's just a matter of changing css files to change templates |
| 18:13 |
|
chris |
as i was blathering on about the other day, i think we have come a long way in the underlying functionality of koha (thanks paul) |
| 18:13 |
|
chris |
now is the time to make it pretty for a bit |
| 18:14 |
|
chris |
if it looks better, and can do everything other systems can .. how can you not use it :-) |
| 18:14 |
|
chris |
but thats easy for me to say |
| 18:14 |
|
kados |
I agree chris |
| 18:14 |
|
chris |
cos i know i wont be doing it |
| 18:15 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 18:15 |
|
chris |
you really dont want interface design done by me :) |
| 18:15 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 18:15 |
|
kados |
me either generally |
| 18:15 |
|
kados |
but I can copy stuff that others have done :-) |
| 18:16 |
|
kados |
what exactly is the IP issue ... using the same css sheet sure, but can they really copyright the way things look? |
| 18:16 |
|
owen |
Yup, you can reserve all the items in your bookbag at once! |
| 18:17 |
|
chris |
that shouldnt be hard to do with koha owen |
| 18:17 |
|
kados |
owen really? |
| 18:17 |
|
owen |
Yup. |
| 18:17 |
|
owen |
Then talk to Joshua about it, chris! :) |
| 18:17 |
|
chris |
i did :) |
| 18:17 |
|
kados |
cool ... I tried and it didn't work |
| 18:17 |
|
chris |
i wouldnt try bending opac-reserve.pl |
| 18:17 |
|
chris |
id write a new script |
| 18:18 |
|
kados |
right |
| 18:18 |
|
chris |
that takes an array of biblionumbers |
| 18:18 |
|
kados |
ok ... I guess that can't be too hard if I"m not worried about display |
| 18:18 |
|
kados |
just feed an array to the sub that makes the reserve ... |
| 18:18 |
|
chris |
yup |
| 18:19 |
|
chris |
foreach loop doing what opac-reserve.pl does |
| 18:19 |
|
kados |
but there are some hecks lalong the way no? |
| 18:19 |
|
chris |
minus all the display stuff |
| 18:19 |
|
kados |
s/hecks/checks/ |
| 18:19 |
|
kados |
s/lalong/along |
| 18:19 |
|
chris |
:) |
| 18:19 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 18:19 |
|
kados |
my connection is lagging |
| 18:20 |
|
chris |
the middle chunk of opac-reserve.pl is what you want really |
| 18:20 |
|
kados |
so chars don't display for several ms :-) |
| 18:20 |
|
chris |
and then just redirect to somewhere else when its done |
| 18:22 |
|
kados |
I'll see if I can do it myself and if I have any probs I'll let you know |
| 18:22 |
|
kados |
thanks for the advice |
| 18:22 |
|
chris |
hmm 4.98 for a domain from yahoo |
| 18:22 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 18:27 |
|
kados |
chris does paul automatically get all bug reports? my latest submission should be reassigned to him if not |
| 18:27 |
|
chris |
depends if he is on the koha-bugs mailing list or not |
| 18:29 |
|
kados |
hmmm, $rank needs to be generated before the reserve is made ... too bad CreatReserve doesn't do it |
| 18:29 |
|
kados |
and why do we need $title to go to CreateReserve |
| 18:30 |
|
chris |
pass |
| 18:31 |
|
chris |
http://library.masterman.phila[…]koha/opac-main.pl |
| 18:32 |
|
kados |
hehe google is your friend, eh? |
| 18:34 |
|
chris |
yep |
| 18:34 |
|
chris |
another one to add to the koha users list |
| 18:34 |
|
kados |
near as I can tell $title is just used for insertion into accountlines |
| 18:35 |
|
chris |
i figure if we get enough in PA i get business trips back to see the wifes family :-) |
| 18:35 |
|
chris |
ahh right |
| 18:36 |
|
kados |
so I can skip that ... and I'm inclined to skip fines too since we don't use them ... but that'd be mean I guess |
| 18:37 |
|
kados |
so I just need to 1)check to see if the item can be reserved. 2) check to see if the patron can reserve. 3) if so, make the reserve. 4) display something in the javascript that says "reserves made" |
| 18:49 |
|
kados |
so chris ... what's the syntax for a CGI array? |
| 18:50 |
|
kados |
to replace my $biblionumber = $query->param('bib'); |
| 18:50 |
|
kados |
I looked around in Koha and I don't see any examples |
| 19:18 |
|
kados |
found it |
| 20:29 |
|
kados |
hehe well the first draft of the script ran but didn't add the reserves to my record (on test machine) -- at least not that I can tell :-) |
| 20:35 |
|
kados |
chris if you get a chance could you take a look at this snip of the error log: |
| 20:35 |
|
kados |
http://kados.org/log.txt |
| 05:32 |
|
JYL57 |
Hello |
| 06:19 |
|
Genji |
hiya paul. |
| 07:02 |
|
JYL57 |
Hello all, |
| 07:03 |
|
JYL57 |
Help needed for 'Default issuing rules' ?! |
| 07:04 |
|
JYL57 |
Is the '*' a super set of all other groups parameters ? |
| 07:06 |
|
JYL57 |
no one reading here ?! |
| 07:07 |
|
JYL57 |
Ok, I'll be back in a while... |
| 07:50 |
|
Genji |
hey paul? |
| 10:19 |
|
paul |
hello all |
| 10:20 |
|
paul |
(hello JYL57_all) |
| 10:20 |
|
JYL57_alt |
Salut paul ! |
| 10:20 |
|
paul |
enfin, JYL57_alt plutôt |
| 10:20 |
|
paul |
la réponse à ta question : oui, l'* est un joker |
| 10:21 |
|
paul |
donc 5,5 pour itemtype=* et category=MACHIN et branch=default signifie |
| 10:21 |
|
paul |
5 prêts de 5 jours maxi pour les lecteurs MACHIN, quel que soit le type de document. |
| 10:59 |
|
Genji |
hiya paul. |
| 10:59 |
|
paul |
hello genji |
| 10:59 |
|
paul |
can't sleep ? |
