| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 13:36 |
|
paul |
hello owen |
| 13:36 |
|
owen |
Hi paul |
| 13:37 |
|
paul |
i get a pdf file in iso8859-1, with an original file in utf8... |
| 13:37 |
|
paul |
so diacritics are a little strange... |
| 14:18 |
|
paul_away |
pas de bol jyl57, je dois partir sans délai. |
| 14:19 |
|
JYL57 |
Ok ! à plus tard Paul |
| 14:33 |
|
owen |
Hi indradg and JYL57. |
| 14:33 |
|
indradg |
hi owen |
| 14:34 |
|
indradg |
been busy in betwn.. logged in here after couple of weeks |
| 14:35 |
|
indradg |
had got two more Koha installation / migration coming my way :) |
| 14:35 |
|
owen |
It has been pretty quiet here. |
| 14:35 |
|
indradg |
at KIG-India we are planning a first-ever physical meeting of Koha users in India |
| 14:36 |
|
owen |
That's great! |
| 14:36 |
|
indradg |
seems like there are quite a few |
| 14:36 |
|
indradg |
but the main problem here is india is that Lib & Info Sci ppl aren't quite comfortable with FLOSS tech yet |
| 14:37 |
|
indradg |
and Linux geeks are either to impatient or dont want to spend time to learn the nuances of Lib/Info Sci :P |
| 14:37 |
|
owen |
Yeah, that's a tough one. |
| 14:38 |
|
owen |
We face the same barriers here as well. |
| 14:38 |
|
indradg |
we are planning to have a training session for the participants |
| 14:39 |
|
owen |
My co-workers did something interesting recently at a library conference: A "Linux Install-fest" where they told participants to bring in a computer to get Linux installed on it for them. |
| 14:40 |
|
owen |
The following day they held a "Koha Install-fest" and installed Koha on all those machines. |
| 14:40 |
|
owen |
It was a great way to send folks home with a Koha test machine to play around with. |
| 14:40 |
|
indradg |
ppl (librarians) ask is mysql free? and AACR2 doesnt mean anything to the techs... guess problems are same in most place... maybe differing only in degrees |
| 14:41 |
|
indradg |
thats an idea!!! sending them home with just the CDs of s/w dont work out |
| 14:41 |
|
indradg |
we can do that too! |
| 14:44 |
|
owen |
If you try it, another good thing to do is provide some sample data for them to put into their database. That helps a lot when you're trying to understand how Koha works. |
| 14:45 |
|
indradg |
sure can do... I'm using a 1200 biblio dump for demostration purpose... can share it |
| 14:46 |
|
indradg |
also at KIG India we are planning to collaborate and create MARC records for Indian Books and other materials published in india... export individual biblio data... weed out the duplicates and merge it -> ready for bulkmarcimport.pl and the reservoir |
| 14:50 |
|
owen |
That's a great idea |
| 15:57 |
|
kados |
owen I noticed that the "change language" feature isn't working on the opac -- is that because we don't have any other languages to choose from? |
| 15:59 |
|
kados |
also, what's up with the "American Barking Association" under Recent Acquisitions? |
| 15:59 |
|
owen |
Yes. There are only English-language version of the NPL template |
| 15:59 |
|
kados |
why is CVS listed as a language? |
| 16:00 |
|
owen |
:) I was just trying out adding an item type a while back. |
| 16:00 |
|
kados |
ahh |
| 16:00 |
|
kados |
maybe we should have "gutenberg e-text" as an item type eh? |
| 16:00 |
|
owen |
I think the script that looks for different language versions is simply scanning that directory for /en or /fr or whatever. It sees /CVS and thinks its another language. |
| 16:08 |
|
owen |
Would an average Koha install have the CVS directories? |
| 16:09 |
|
kados |
no |
| 16:10 |
|
kados |
only if it's symlinked to a CVS repo |
| 16:10 |
|
owen |
So it's probably not worth fixing. |
| 16:14 |
|
kados |
well I guess we could just delete the CVS directory |
| 16:14 |
|
kados |
or move it |
| 16:14 |
|
kados |
it's only used when working with CVS |
| 16:14 |
|
kados |
something we haven't really done lately |
| 16:15 |
|
kados |
I mostly use the symlinks as a central way to backup Koha |
| 16:15 |
|
kados |
file structure |
| 16:21 |
|
kados |
arg ... looks like I need to reboot my screen server |
| 16:23 |
|
owen |
Alma? |
| 16:25 |
|
kados |
nope ... I'm screening from home now |
| 16:26 |
|
owen |
Sometimes I have a screen window that just stops responding. |
| 16:26 |
|
owen |
All I can think to do is kill it. |
| 16:28 |
|
kados |
yea that happens sometimes |
| 23:46 |
|
kados |
chris around? |
| 01:13 |
|
Genji |
Greetings all! Haven't been here in ages.. but little time for chitchat, im feeling motivated today. I want to put a lastseen date, formatted in excel style serial number, converted into anything using Date::Manip, into the lastseen field of Mysql. My question is, what is the format that Mysql, and koha, are expecting in the Lastseen field? |
| 01:24 |
|
rach |
hi - how long are you here for? |
| 01:24 |
|
rach |
chris who could probably best answer that question is out at the moment, but I think will be back around 7pm |
| 01:24 |
|
rach |
our time - which is 1 hr 30 mins |
| 01:25 |
|
Genji |
can be here all day. just want to keep this motivation buzz i seem to have at the moment. |
| 01:25 |
|
Genji |
i remember you, rach, but not what you do. What do you do? |
| 01:26 |
|
rach |
I run Katipo here in NZ |
| 01:26 |
|
rach |
and I'm the figure head for the Koha project at the moment |
| 01:27 |
|
indradg |
hey rach.. was looking at the admin screen mockups u posted... looked nice |
| 01:27 |
|
rach |
cheers |
| 01:27 |
|
rach |
will try and get somone onto it - the admin stuff was driving me nuts the other day :-) |
| 01:27 |
|
rach |
no prob |
| 01:27 |
|
Genji |
What do you want help with, rach? admin screen? |
| 01:28 |
|
rach |
ah just that there are only about 4 things that you absoloutely have to do to get Koha going - particularly if you're just in for a play |
| 01:28 |
|
rach |
but they are scattered throughout the admin stuff, in no particular order |
| 01:28 |
|
rach |
and not identified in any way |
| 01:29 |
|
rach |
which makes a simple setup more of a chore/hunting expidition than it really needs to be |
| 01:29 |
|
indradg |
i agree |
| 01:29 |
|
Genji |
what are these 4 things? |
| 01:29 |
|
rach |
you must have at least one itemtype |
| 01:29 |
|
rach |
and if you are importing from another system, your itemtypes must match the incoming ones |
| 01:29 |
|
rach |
you must have at least one branch |
| 01:30 |
|
rach |
for the simplest running of Koha you should choose "marc off" and then you can ignore all the rest of the marc stuff :-) |
| 01:30 |
|
rach |
and simple acquisitions - and then ignore the rest of the budget stuff |
| 01:31 |
|
rach |
need one borrower category if you're going to have patrons |
| 01:32 |
|
indradg |
lol rach's comment |
| 01:32 |
|
rach |
I have no prob with importing marc records, is v good, like it a lot, and editing etc - sweet |
| 01:33 |
|
indradg |
rach: I have been talking to librarians here in India who are either using Koha or just testing the waters |
| 01:33 |
|
rach |
awesome |
| 01:33 |
|
rach |
that is great |
| 01:34 |
|
indradg |
rach: and what I find is that most dont have a clue as to how simple it actually is to create a new template for Koha... thinking that what-you-got-is-all-that-can-be |
| 01:35 |
|
indradg |
methinks time for a Templating Koha HOWTO (or is there one already???) |
| 01:35 |
|
rach |
that would be really good |
| 01:35 |
|
rach |
no there isn't one already |
| 01:36 |
|
indradg |
ok |
| 01:37 |
|
Genji |
templating is fun and easy. |
| 01:37 |
|
rach |
yeah that's what I think |
| 01:37 |
|
rach |
but people are a bit intimidated by it |
| 01:37 |
|
indradg |
not that I understand it all too well myself (perl isn't exactly my cup of tea).. but I've been making changes in the templates... and can prolly start out by getting my work notes together |
| 01:37 |
|
rach |
that would be great |
| 01:38 |
|
rach |
you hopefully don't need much perl to make big changes to how things look |
| 01:38 |
|
rach |
mostly people want to just comment out fields, or change their order etc |
| 01:38 |
|
indradg |
right! thats my only consolation :) |
| 01:38 |
|
rach |
:-) |
| 01:39 |
|
rach |
ta |
| 01:40 |
|
indradg |
ok... I'll start work on the HOWTO and post abt it on the devel list |
| 01:40 |
|
indradg |
rach: probably u can help correct my mistakes |
| 01:42 |
|
Genji |
rach: can you check on my subscription email addy? I may need it changed. |
| 01:43 |
|
rach |
yep |
| 01:43 |
|
rach |
yep, yep |
| 01:43 |
|
rach |
that is 3 in a row :-) |
| 01:44 |
|
rach |
OK genji what's your mail addy? |
| 01:45 |
|
rach |
genjimotoezysurf.co.nz |
| 01:45 |
|
rach |
is the one I have |
| 01:46 |
|
Genji |
genji18yahoo.co.nz is the one that it needs to change to. |
| 01:46 |
|
indradg |
rach genji bye for now! got a meeting coming up at the office... time to earn my living :) |
| 01:46 |
|
rach |
culater |
| 01:47 |
|
rach |
genji you want the old one unsubbed? |
| 01:47 |
|
Genji |
yup. |
| 01:48 |
|
rach |
done |
| 01:48 |
|
Genji |
why i am doing this, is because i can't use the smtp server on ezysurf anymore. |
| 01:48 |
|
rach |
sure |
| 01:50 |
|
Genji |
wheres this mock up of this admin page, rach? |
| 01:52 |
|
rach |
http://katipo.co.nz/gallery/koha-admin |
| 01:53 |
|
rach |
there have been some good suggestions as to how to break some of them up differently |
| 01:53 |
|
rach |
but the general idea was to group them in some sort of saner way |
| 01:56 |
|
Genji |
wheres the html files these pics are based on? |
| 02:04 |
|
Genji |
eh, before im going to do the admin screen, i have to install 2.2.RC1. |
| 03:13 |
|
rach |
ah yes probably |
| 03:14 |
|
rach |
I think those templates are the "vanilla" ones |
| 03:14 |
|
rach |
or possibley the "katipo" ones |
| 03:14 |
|
rach |
chris tells me it's the "katipo" ones for the intranet |
| 03:35 |
|
Genji |
eh... then this admin page is fully functional? |
| 03:37 |
|
rach |
nope |
| 03:37 |
|
rach |
all the actual admin options are currently in the template |
| 03:37 |
|
rach |
they are just not arranged in this way |
| 03:38 |
|
rach |
they are higgledy piggledy |
| 03:38 |
|
Genji |
So, where do the gallery mock ups come from? |
| 03:43 |
|
rach |
I made the mockups in photoshop |
| 03:43 |
|
rach |
so I took the existing template - took a screen shot |
| 03:43 |
|
rach |
and then rearranged the text |
| 05:42 |
|
paul |
hello rach |
| 05:43 |
|
rach |
hi paul |
| 05:43 |
|
rach |
how are you today? |
| 05:44 |
|
paul |
fine, thanks |
| 05:44 |
|
paul |
working on 3 RFPs |
| 05:44 |
|
paul |
i've more than 10 RFP for instance... |
| 05:44 |
|
paul |
(for 2 i've answered & it's OK, for 3 others, i've answered and it should be OK soon...) |
| 05:44 |
|
paul |
(lot of job on Koha :-) ) |
| 05:45 |
|
paul |
one of them (CMI) |
| 05:45 |
|
paul |
funds an interface for a new nice feature... |
| 05:45 |
|
rach |
great |
| 05:45 |
|
paul |
Koha will work with a 3M self-borrowing bot |
| 05:45 |
|
rach |
cool |
| 05:45 |
|
rach |
that is excellent |
| 05:46 |
|
paul |
only 1 weakness : their machine is old and SIP compliant, not SIP2 |
| 05:46 |
|
paul |
rach, could you take care of making noise on Koha 2.2RC1 ? |
| 05:47 |
|
rach |
Yes - is it out? |
| 05:47 |
|
paul |
yes, of course. |
| 05:47 |
|
rach |
ah then I am just dim |
| 05:47 |
|
paul |
didn't you see the announces on koha & koha-dev ? |
| 05:48 |
|
rach |
ahh at 3am |
| 05:48 |
|
paul |
http://sourceforge.net/project[…]release_id=283087 |
| 05:48 |
|
paul |
yes |
| 05:48 |
|
paul |
(3PM for me :-D ) |
| 05:48 |
|
rach |
:-) |
| 05:48 |
|
rach |
I'll put out something tommorrow |
| 05:51 |
|
rach |
Paul someone who upgraded from 1.2.3 (against our advice I might add), has got into a world of hurt |
| 05:51 |
|
paul |
he upgraded to 2.2RC1 ? |
| 05:51 |
|
rach |
do you think it's better to go forward to 2.2 and try and not try and get 2.0 going |
| 05:51 |
|
rach |
No they went to 2.0 |
| 05:52 |
|
rach |
and I specifically told her not to |
| 05:52 |
|
paul |
ok. They MUST get a 2.0 working then upgrade to 2.2 |
| 05:52 |
|
paul |
the 1.2 => 2.2 upgrade does NOT work (it's in capitals in release notes) |
| 05:52 |
|
rach |
so she has mapping problems with their marc etc - so that should get sorted out before an upgrade? |
| 05:55 |
|
rach |
rather than try and work out whats gone wrong with their DIY attempts |
| 05:55 |
|
paul |
I think it's exactly the same |
| 05:55 |
|
rach |
ah ok |
| 05:56 |
|
paul |
the biggest pain with 1.2 => 2.0 upgrade is MARC mapping & rebuilding |
| 05:56 |
|
rach |
yep and that's what's gone wrong I believe |
| 05:56 |
|
rach |
chris managed it for UNIDO tho - although maybe that was marc already, I forget |
| 05:59 |
|
rach |
ah well - time for me to go for a shower and bed I think |
| 05:59 |
|
paul |
ok, have sweet dreams. |
| 07:01 |
|
Genji |
hiya paul |
| 07:01 |
|
Genji |
you still awake? |
| 07:01 |
|
paul |
yes, it's 11AM for me :-D Not a time to go to bed ! |
| 07:01 |
|
Genji |
of course, England huh? |
| 07:01 |
|
paul |
france |
| 07:03 |
|
Genji |
cool. Okay, I have dates all in excel's serial number based format.. i can convert them to anything easy enough using a Date::Manip statement.. but my question is, what format does koha want me to put the lastseen date in, in newitems()? |
| 07:03 |
|
paul |
mmm... dates are always a pain... |
| 07:04 |
|
paul |
if i'm right : YYYY-MM-DD should work fine |
| 07:04 |
|
Genji |
aye. looked in the mysql.. the field type is DATE |
| 07:05 |
|
Genji |
Hmm.. i could do a test..... update lastseen value 2004-11-09 where biblionumber=1 |
| 07:05 |
|
Genji |
right? |
| 07:05 |
|
paul |
yep (with quotes) |
| 07:05 |
|
Genji |
with quotes? |
| 07:12 |
|
Genji |
eh crap. koha.update doesn't work on win32 machines.. because POSIX::termios is not implemented for win32. |
| 07:37 |
|
Genji |
hmm.. koha.upgrade doesn't work on win32 soo .. im doing a straight copy, and run the updatedatabase script. |
| 07:37 |
|
paul |
should work |
| 07:47 |
|
Genji |
-blinks- 2.1.3 saw heaps of things changed in the database... 2.2.0rc1 .... very little changed, according to updatedatabase |
| 07:48 |
|
paul |
nothing iirc. that's why I think 2.2RC1 is stable enough |
| 07:48 |
|
Genji |
i went back to my backup of 2.0.0pre2 data.. and updatedatabased it. |
| 07:48 |
|
Genji |
so how come alot of database changes were done in 2.1.3? |
| 07:48 |
|
paul |
?? |
| 07:50 |
|
Genji |
and is it completely certain that all the code from 2.1.x that relates to those other fields were removed? i mean.. i had a whole screen of changes on the 2.1.x update.. 2.0.0pre2 to 2.2.0... only 8 lines of changes. |
| 07:51 |
|
paul |
mmm... really strange, you're right |
| 07:51 |
|
paul |
do you have subscriptions tables ? |
| 07:51 |
|
paul |
(subscription and subscriptionhistory) |
| 07:52 |
|
Genji |
ya. i do. |
| 07:52 |
|
Genji |
wierd. |
| 07:53 |
|
paul |
so, your DB was not a 2.0.0 one ! |
| 07:53 |
|
Genji |
hmmm.. then what was it? |
| 07:53 |
|
Genji |
1.9.2/ |
| 07:53 |
|
Genji |
? |
| 07:53 |
|
paul |
subscription table appeared in 2.1.0 or 2.1.1 NOT before |
| 07:53 |
|
paul |
1000% sure ! |
| 07:54 |
|
Genji |
well.. i just did the update script... it may of added it without showing up. |
| 07:54 |
|
paul |
it should have, |
| 07:54 |
|
Genji |
got a bug report in my mail from koha list. |
| 07:55 |
|
Genji |
of course the net is being crap so it may take a minute to get it. |
| 07:56 |
|
Genji |
that or its a big report.. |
| 07:57 |
|
Genji |
what i can do, is erase my koha db.. put my suspected 2.0.0 one in there, and check for those tables. |
| 07:57 |
|
paul |
that's a possibility |
| 07:57 |
|
Genji |
eh? leaving? |
| 07:57 |
|
paul |
yep |
| 07:58 |
|
Genji |
drat. should be more people up at this time to support those coding. |
| 07:58 |
|
Genji |
mail is in... one moment. |
| 07:59 |
|
Genji |
Global symbol "$context" requires explicit package name at /usr/local/koha/intranet/scripts/z3950daemon/processz3950queue line 110. |
| 07:59 |
|
Genji |
simple bug... wonder why it escaped. |
| 08:01 |
|
Genji |
there should be a version field somewhere in koha, in a "About this installation" table.. with the database version number. |
| 08:01 |
|
Genji |
bye paul. |
| 08:01 |
|
paul_away |
good idea, not easy to do |
| 08:02 |
|
Genji |
deleted my koha database, restored previous version backup.... |
| 08:03 |
|
Genji |
subscription table doesn't exist... |
| 08:04 |
|
Genji |
ahh.. second time lucky, all the updates are running. |
| 08:05 |
|
Genji |
and done. |
| 08:06 |
|
Genji |
eh.. in IE.. the templating needs alot of work. |
| 08:08 |
|
Genji |
And the new main page using javascript, doesnt work in opera. |
| 08:49 |
|
paul |
back Genji |
| 08:51 |
|
paul |
Koha librarian interface DON'T work on IE. |
| 08:52 |
|
paul |
and won't probably never work (at least, I won't do anything to make it work : there is no good reason for librarian to use IE) |
| 08:52 |
|
paul |
(of course, if someone modify Koha to have a librarian interface working under Mozilla AND IE, i'll accept it ;-) ) |
| 08:53 |
|
paul |
(note also that OPAC must work on any browser. IE compliance is important here. But it should work I think) |
