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| 01:01 |
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schnydszch |
Hi! Regarding my problem, it was already resolved :) |
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NikolayGospodinov[m] |
Hello! I have a question? How can I optimize koha database? |
| 06:47 |
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reiveune |
hello |
| 07:25 |
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ibnsina[m] |
hi i have problem with connect to ldap |
| 07:25 |
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| 07:26 |
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| 07:27 |
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ibnsina[m] |
when i use this command |
| 07:27 |
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ibnsina[m] |
its retern html page and i copy it to test.html when i try to login its return error 500 |
| 07:27 |
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ibnsina[m] |
export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ && export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/library/koha-conf.xml && perl /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-user.pl userid=user password=userpass |
| 07:27 |
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| 08:09 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Morning #koha |
| 08:10 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Damn that was rough weather last week in Amsterdam :D |
| 08:12 |
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khan |
help i am new at koha want to place header in OPAC using koha 23.05 any one help me i have pasted file in <img src=”/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/images/header.jpg” id=”header-image”> but not working |
| 08:23 |
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cait |
what do you mean by you have pasted a file? just put in the directory? |
| 08:23 |
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cait |
go to Tools > HTML customizations and create an OpacHeader entry there |
| 08:34 |
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ibnsina[m] |
<ibnsina[m]> "hi i have problem with connect..." <- anyhelp |
| 08:39 |
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cait |
I don't have logs here, you'll have toa sk the question again |
| 08:39 |
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cait |
paulderscheid[m]: Amsterdam is nice - but a lot of rain for you? |
| 08:51 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Yeah cait |
| 08:51 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Was on vacation there last week |
| 08:51 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Two days were so rainy that we had to sprint from one place to the next :D |
| 08:55 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
<khan> "help i am new at koha want to..." <- Have you read the manual khan? |
| 08:57 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
https://koha-community.org/man[…]s.html#news-label |
| 09:16 |
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cait |
paulderscheid[m]: but there is a ton of museums to visit for rainy days :) |
| 09:17 |
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cait |
paulderscheid[m]: did you meet with eythian or marcelr? |
| 09:17 |
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cait |
PedroAmorim[m]: let's find some time to test your ILL patch for availability issues? |
| 09:18 |
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PedroAmorim[m] |
o/ |
| 09:18 |
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PedroAmorim[m] |
that'd be awesome! thank you so much |
| 09:18 |
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cait |
also we need a quick patch from you |
| 09:18 |
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cait |
we broke editing patron categories with the ILL patch |
| 09:19 |
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PedroAmorim[m] |
ah bugger, I just started my day and still going through e-mails |
| 09:19 |
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PedroAmorim[m] |
is it 35263 |
| 09:19 |
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cait |
bug 35263 |
| 09:19 |
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huginn` |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=35263 blocker, P5 - low, ---, pedro.amorim, NEW , Cannot update patron categories |
| 09:19 |
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cait |
es |
| 09:19 |
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cait |
yes |
| 09:19 |
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PedroAmorim[m] |
I'm on it |
| 09:19 |
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cait |
thx! :) |
| 09:31 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Nah cait, was a private trip to get away from it all. Maybe next time or if we ever have a KohaCon in the netherlands :D |
| 09:32 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Maybe at the Rijksmuseum marcelr :D |
| 09:45 |
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cait |
I had a behind the scenes tour last time ;) |
| 09:45 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Very cool :D |
| 09:57 |
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ibnsina[m] |
<ibnsina[m]> "image.png" <- is there any help here ? |
| 09:58 |
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cait |
I already asked you to ask the full question again - i don't see the previous messages here. |
| 09:58 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
You need to send the screenshot again instead of quoting it ibnsina |
| 09:59 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Or better yet use snipboard.io |
| 09:59 |
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cait |
yes, please |
| 09:59 |
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ibnsina[m] |
when enable userldapserver login return error 500 |
| 09:59 |
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| 09:59 |
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* ibnsina[m] |
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| 10:00 |
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ibnsina[m] |
here is screenshot |
| 10:01 |
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cait |
I don't see anything obvious |
| 10:01 |
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cait |
does it work for authentication if you deactivate replicate and update? |
| 10:01 |
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cait |
it might help to narrow your problem down |
| 10:22 |
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ibnsina[m] |
can you give me the right step to connect with ldap |
| 10:22 |
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ibnsina[m] |
? |
| 10:25 |
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cait |
have you seen the instructions in the Koha manual? |
| 10:25 |
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cait |
and did you test without replicate and update as I suggested? |
| 10:25 |
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cait |
https://koha-community.org/man[…]otocols.html#ldap |
| 10:25 |
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ibnsina[m] |
i did that but when i enable <userldapserver>1</userldapserver> i got error 500 when login |
| 10:28 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Did you look at the logs? |
| 10:28 |
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| 10:28 |
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ibnsina[m] |
yes i disable it |
| 10:28 |
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ibnsina[m] |
same |
| 10:28 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
paulderscheid[m]: ibnsina |
| 10:28 |
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ibnsina[m] |
which log ? |
| 10:28 |
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ibnsina[m] |
apche koha |
| 10:28 |
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ibnsina[m] |
opac |
| 10:29 |
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ibnsina[m] |
which one do you want ? |
| 10:30 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Well, did you look into any of them? |
| 10:30 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
No errors? |
| 10:31 |
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ibnsina[m] |
paulderscheid[m]: root isums-koha:/var/log/koha/library# tail *... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]pHODtHNwqwqnHIYJL>) |
| 10:31 |
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ibnsina[m] |
nothing intresting |
| 10:32 |
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ibnsina[m] |
just this |
| 10:32 |
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ibnsina[m] |
LDAP search failed to return object : 000004DC: LdapErr: DSID-0C090A58, comment: In order to perform this operation a successful bind must be completed on the connection., data 0, v4f7c at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth_with_ldap.pm line 99. |
| 10:33 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Did you google the error? |
| 10:35 |
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ibnsina[m] |
yes |
| 10:35 |
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ibnsina[m] |
i think its ldap connection but im sure about all information is good |
| 10:36 |
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ibnsina[m] |
use ldapsearch return ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49) |
| 10:36 |
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ibnsina[m] |
additional info: 80090308: LdapErr: DSID-0C090434, comment: AcceptSecurityContext error, data 57, v4f7c |
| 10:36 |
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ibnsina[m] |
i dont know why im jure about the info |
| 10:37 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Did you look at Auth_with_ldap.pm:99? |
| 10:37 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Maybe you can go back some steps in the Code to see where it fails? |
| 10:39 |
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| 10:39 |
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ibnsina[m] |
here |
| 10:40 |
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cait |
bbl |
| 10:42 |
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ibnsina[m] |
i used same config on windows and got success result |
| 10:42 |
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| 10:42 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
<ibnsina[m]> "use ldapsearch return ldap_bind:..." <- > <@ibnsina:matrix.org> use ldapsearch return ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49) |
| 10:42 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
> additional info: 80090308: LdapErr: DSID-0C090434, comment: AcceptSecurityContext error, data 57, v4f7c |
| 10:42 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
If I were you I would triple-check the credentials again |
| 10:42 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Ah, is that arabic? |
| 10:42 |
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ibnsina[m] |
paulderscheid[m]: i did like 10 times not just 3 |
| 10:43 |
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ibnsina[m] |
paulderscheid[m]: only name is on arabic |
| 10:43 |
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ibnsina[m] |
the uid is numbers |
| 10:43 |
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ibnsina[m] |
and i installed koha arabic pack works fine |
| 10:43 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Ok |
| 10:50 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Hmm, I never worked w/ LDAP in koha so I'm not the best person to help you.. Maybe try again in 1-2 hours? |
| 10:51 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
It's still kinda quiet here atm. |
| 10:52 |
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tcohen[m] |
hola #koha o/ |
| 10:52 |
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ibnsina[m] |
paulderscheid[m]: ty |
| 10:53 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Ah, there's tcohen. Maybe he knows a thing or two. |
| 10:53 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
LDAP? |
| 10:53 |
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tcohen[m] |
Maybe, what's up? |
| 10:54 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
LDAP invalid creds even though they appear to be correctly configured. |
| 10:54 |
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ashimema |
have you tried the connection outside of koha using ldapsearch or similar~? |
| 10:54 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
ibnsina? |
| 10:55 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
They asked for help. I'm trying to find someone who's knowledeable :D |
| 10:55 |
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ashimema |
ldapsearch -x -b "dc=devconnected,dc=com" -H ldap://192.168.178.29 -D "cn=admin,dc=devconnected,dc=com" -W is a rough example |
| 10:55 |
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ibnsina[m] |
return ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49) |
| 10:55 |
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ibnsina[m] |
additional info: 80090308: LdapErr: DSID-0C090434, comment: AcceptSecurityContext error, data 57, v4f7c |
| 10:55 |
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ibnsina[m] |
ashimema: got this |
| 10:57 |
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ashimema |
I presume you replaces the content of the -b, -H and -D there 😉 |
| 10:57 |
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ashimema |
to match your setup |
| 10:57 |
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ashimema |
it could be firewall related.. at your end or the ldapserver end |
| 10:57 |
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ashimema |
I'd check using ldapsearch with the exact credentials and things setup in your koha |
| 10:58 |
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ibnsina[m] |
ashimema: i did that its work fine at windows but on ubuntu no |
| 10:59 |
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| 10:59 |
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ibnsina[m] |
here is windows |
| 10:59 |
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| 10:59 |
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ibnsina[m] |
ubuntu config |
| 10:59 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
The first thing that comes to mind when I hear this is carriage return :D |
| 11:00 |
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ashimema |
it's been years since I've dug into LDAP I'm afraid |
| 11:00 |
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ashimema |
surprised your not using auth by bind though.. I would have expected that to be the case in 99% of cases |
| 11:09 |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
| 11:10 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Hi oleonard |
| 11:21 |
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| 11:31 |
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ashimema |
arond? |
| 11:31 |
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ashimema |
cait |
| 11:31 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
cait's shopping\ |
| 11:54 |
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oleonard |
fridolin and I colliding with Bug 35265 and Bug 35249... |
| 11:54 |
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huginn` |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=35265 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Remove drag and drop in Elasticsearch mappings |
| 11:54 |
|
huginn` |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=35249 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Use DataTables RowReorder extension instead of tableDND jQuery plugin |
| 11:55 |
|
cait |
I have returned :) |
| 11:55 |
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cait |
ashimema: ? |
| 11:55 |
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ashimema |
I was going to ask about the catalog toggle bug.. looks like you were the last to touch it for QA |
| 11:55 |
|
cait |
yes and it looked nice then |
| 11:55 |
|
cait |
I commented about that on the bug, something with the CSS appears to be missing? |
| 11:56 |
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ashimema |
and somehow we lost half the changes in that patch.. only the template change is in that last patch.. the one before it has a lot more |
| 11:56 |
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cait |
it was a nice slider to the right of the screen instead of the checkbox |
| 11:56 |
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ashimema |
not jsut css |
| 11:56 |
|
ashimema |
the js |
| 11:56 |
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ashimema |
all teh functionality is gone |
| 11:56 |
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cait |
oh |
| 11:56 |
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cait |
wow |
| 11:56 |
|
cait |
are my uploaded patches broken? |
| 11:56 |
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ashimema |
I wanted to check if you'd rebased or something and somehow missed re-adding all the files |
| 11:56 |
|
ashimema |
I think so |
| 11:56 |
|
ashimema |
look at the one patch on bz |
| 11:56 |
|
ashimema |
it's only affecting one file |
| 11:57 |
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cait |
I don't have the branch here |
| 11:57 |
|
ashimema |
if you look at the previous obsoleted one it touches a lot more |
| 11:57 |
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cait |
so I can't check that - it's on the other computer |
| 11:57 |
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ashimema |
ah, okies |
| 11:57 |
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ashimema |
well.. we can probably just restore from bugzilla |
| 11:57 |
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ashimema |
I've asked lucas to take a look anyways |
| 11:57 |
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ashimema |
just wondered how it had happened |
| 11:57 |
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cait |
do we need to revert and push again or how would that work? |
| 11:57 |
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ashimema |
in other news.. sorry I never got back to the notices and br bug |
| 11:57 |
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cait |
I have one idea... sometimes my qa tools go... wild |
| 11:57 |
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ashimema |
thanks for all your work there.. I'm working through now |
| 11:57 |
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cait |
I have had it happen that it destroyed patches |
| 11:57 |
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cait |
but not... partail |
| 11:58 |
|
ashimema |
interesting |
| 11:58 |
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cait |
usually i notice that, so it's a bit strange, but I don't remember any rebase or other manual work on those |
| 11:58 |
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ashimema |
doh.. WELCOME email doesn't hit the message queue |
| 11:58 |
|
ashimema |
I thought it did |
| 11:58 |
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ashimema |
whats another easy to fake notice in ktd? |
| 12:02 |
|
ashimema |
weird |
| 12:02 |
|
ashimema |
it does enqueue it |
| 12:02 |
|
ashimema |
just doesn't then display it under the patrons notices tab |
| 12:02 |
|
ashimema |
ahh.. |
| 12:02 |
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ashimema |
maybe I don't have a notice setup |
| 12:13 |
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cait |
i just made my ktd send emai |
| 12:13 |
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cait |
adding my normal smtp server did the trick |
| 12:14 |
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cait |
it realyl got tons easier with that dev in |
| 12:14 |
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cait |
but I also thought it would go through the message queue |
| 12:14 |
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ashimema |
I was using a user without an email |
| 12:14 |
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ashimema |
my mistake |
| 12:14 |
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cait |
ah ok, that would explain that :) |
| 12:14 |
|
* ashimema |
is looking at bug 30287 |
| 12:14 |
|
huginn` |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30287 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, NEW , Notices using HTML renders differently in notices.pl |
| 12:16 |
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cait |
I didn't look closer yet, but I believe it might just need somethign to show html notices differently than the plaint ext ones |
| 12:17 |
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kidclamp |
ciat++ |
| 12:17 |
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ashimema |
yes |
| 12:17 |
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kidclamp |
cait++ even |
| 12:17 |
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ashimema |
it's a tt filter we add |
| 12:18 |
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cait |
but can't we if else it? |
| 12:18 |
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ashimema |
yup |
| 12:18 |
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ashimema |
I'm just reminding myself how to spot if a notice is html or not in the first place |
| 12:18 |
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ashimema |
it's interesting |
| 12:18 |
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ashimema |
we use an iframe |
| 12:18 |
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ashimema |
which i wasn't expecting |
| 12:18 |
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cait |
hmm |
| 12:19 |
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cait |
I thin we did that because errors in the HTML kept breaking the page |
| 12:19 |
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ashimema |
I think I'd have expected the usual modal stuff |
| 12:19 |
|
ashimema |
ah, I see |
| 12:19 |
|
ashimema |
makes sense |
| 12:19 |
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cait |
it's a good quesiton about the HTML when coming from the message queue |
| 12:19 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Friendly reminder to remove iframes whereever you can :D |
| 12:19 |
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ashimema |
mm |
| 12:20 |
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cait |
are they dying or something? |
| 12:20 |
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ashimema |
not really knowing why we have it there I'm a bit reluctant to remove it in this patch |
| 12:20 |
|
ashimema |
but.. |
| 12:20 |
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ashimema |
I do think we should completely remove the `html_line_break` filter we're adding and instead wrap the content in a `<pre>` or not depending on is_html |
| 12:20 |
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ashimema |
that's more consistent with what we actually do at print/email time |
| 12:21 |
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cait |
ashimema: it looks like we set content_type in the message_queue |
| 12:21 |
|
cait |
at least sometimes |
| 12:21 |
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cait |
text/html |
| 12:21 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Just for reference, browser native portals are already in experimental phase: https://developer.mozilla.org/[…]ML/Element/portal |
| 12:21 |
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cait |
maybe we can use that |
| 12:22 |
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cait |
or you look it up from letter_code and Message_transport_type |
| 12:22 |
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ashimema |
mm |
| 12:22 |
|
ashimema |
in bug 34728 we set an is_html flag in the controller so we can pass it into the template |
| 12:22 |
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huginn` |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=34728 trivial, P5 - low, ---, matt.blenkinsop, Pushed to oldstable , HTML notices should not be pre-formatted |
| 12:23 |
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ashimema |
I'm reluctant to do that here creating an additional loop in the controller |
| 12:23 |
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ashimema |
but doing a regex comparison in TT also feels a little dirty |
| 12:23 |
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* ashimema |
contemplates |
| 12:23 |
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cait |
i believe we now have objects |
| 12:23 |
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cait |
for the messaging things - just not used overall yet |
| 12:24 |
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cait |
might mke the look up a tiny bit easier? |
| 12:24 |
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ashimema |
yeah.. not in this case yet though 😜 |
| 12:24 |
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ashimema |
all fun and games |
| 12:28 |
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cait |
ashimema: you scared oleonard-away away |
| 12:28 |
|
ashimema |
? |
| 12:28 |
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ashimema |
I did? |
| 12:39 |
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cait |
it looked like it :) |
| 12:39 |
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cait |
(but I am just teasing) |
| 12:42 |
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ashimema |
darn |
| 12:43 |
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ashimema |
we don't even send content_type back from GetQueuedMessages yet ☹️ |
| 12:43 |
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ashimema |
I didn't really want to change the signature of the whole thing.. grr |
| 12:44 |
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cait |
oh I see, we are in C4 |
| 12:44 |
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* cait |
sends cookies |
| 12:45 |
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ashimema |
looks like I 'could' fairly easily just switch out GetQueuedMessages for Koha::Notice::Messages->search() I reckon |
| 12:46 |
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ashimema |
going to take the dog round the block and then look into that |
| 12:51 |
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ashimema |
got it |
| 12:51 |
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ashimema |
will send patch after walk |
| 12:51 |
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cait |
:) |
| 12:52 |
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ashimema |
sod it.. I'll throw the patch on now and write a test plan properly once back.. |
| 12:52 |
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ashimema |
done |
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ashimema |
bug 30287 |
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huginn` |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30287 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, NEW , Notices using HTML renders differently in notices.pl |
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ashimema |
I'm not 100% on the pre Vs html_line_break filter |
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ashimema |
Need to research a little deeper to be confident in that one |
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paulderscheid[m] |
ashimema is styling important? If not you could use a shadowDOM. |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Inside it's boundaries the html can be invalid and due to the encapsulation still not break the light DOM. |
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paulderscheid[m] |
s/it's/its/ |
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ashimema |
The idea is to make it match the actual notice content the end user will receive as closely as possible |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Is the css not embedded? |
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ashimema |
Which were already failing on as we don't apply CSS etc inside the iframe |
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paulderscheid[m] |
It's possible to "inject" the css in the shadowDOM. It's a little dirty but it's less likely to break. |
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ashimema |
part of the problem is we're mega inconsistent with what we apply at notice send/display/print times |
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ashimema |
you're really talking about shadowDOM vs iFrames aren't you |
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ashimema |
right now I'm not considering taking out the iFrame.. I think that should be it's own bug 😜 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
ashimema: Yes |
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paulderscheid[m] |
You're right, this should be its own bug. |
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paulderscheid[m] |
I think there are lots of places in koha where web components would be a much more elegant solution. |
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paulderscheid[m] |
But I'm a little biased, just to be fair. |
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ashimema |
I agree |
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ashimema |
and would love to see that bug filed 😜 |
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ashimema |
hint hint |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Haha, I'll add it to my list. |
| 13:37 |
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ashimema |
there's always too many things to do isn't there 🙂 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Yeah, I hope we can slowly migrate towards sticking more closely to the community version. Would be more fun and we'd be able to actually contribute. |
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paulderscheid[m] |
But it's an uphill battle. |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Not necessarily because of my ceo but rather historic decisions. |
| 13:40 |
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ashimema |
honestly.. it's taken us years to get where we are now at ptfs-e.. and we still have a few oddball installs with customisation per site |
| 13:40 |
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ashimema |
and we're still on our own branch.. usually just a few critical enhancements ahead of community.. a few backports that don't make sense in the feature stable versions but our customers "just can't wait" |
| 13:40 |
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ashimema |
but we're getting there |
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paulderscheid[m] |
I think you're doing great! |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Just look at the stats :D |
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ashimema |
the key decision was when we decided that all code we write should have the community in mind.. so we always ask the customer questions before commiting to a development and work hard to understand how it's going to affect community up front |
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ashimema |
doesn't always work.. |
| 13:41 |
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ashimema |
but having that mentality to think 'community first' does help |
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paulderscheid[m] |
That's as simple as it is insightful. Tough sell, though. |
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paulderscheid[m] |
At least in the german market. |
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ashimema |
it used to be in the UK market too |
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ashimema |
😜 |
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ashimema |
they all think they're unique here |
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ashimema |
but.. |
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ashimema |
it's what lead to things like the ILL module and that's in use all over the place now |
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ashimema |
not perfect and in need of a version 2 we're working on |
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ashimema |
erm |
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ashimema |
also key |
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ashimema |
tit's amazing how often need to actually overlap in the end.. it's just finding out how |
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paulderscheid[m] |
You should really chat sometime w/ Roger :P |
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paulderscheid[m] |
:D |
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ashimema |
hehe |
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ashimema |
happy to |
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ashimema |
we've chatted a few times over the years |
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ashimema |
there isn't a NoticeCSS equivilent that allows you to just add inline css is there.. as apposed to having to host a file somewhere and point to that? |
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caroline_catlady |
I don't think so ashimema |
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ashimema |
shame |
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ashimema |
bug 30287 is nice 😜 |
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caroline_catlady |
but I think maybe you can use the id in intranetusercss? |
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huginn` |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30287 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Notices using HTML renders differently in notices.pl |
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caroline_catlady |
I don't think I've tried it for notices, but I know I did for quick labels |
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ashimema |
yeah |
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ashimema |
that would work |
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ashimema |
it's just not elegant 😜 |
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cait |
back |
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cait |
re CSS and the notices: it needs to be embedded or linked to a publicly available one I guess to take any effect in the mail client? |
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ashimema |
we could easily enough serve it ourselves from a preference |
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ashimema |
but hey ho |
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caroline_catlady |
ah yes, I was thinking of the slips, not the ones sent my email.. sorry |
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Joubu |
What's happening with October releases? |
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cait |
not that I haven't been trying... |
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cait |
hm should scroll down lol |
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ashimema |
? |
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cait |
talking to people about conributing their things to community right away... etc. :) |
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ashimema |
hehe |
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ashimema |
I've finished up all I can think of in bug 30287 now cait |
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Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30287 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Notices using HTML renders differently in notices.pl |
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ashimema |
now revisiting bug 34704 to understand what's outstanding |
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huginn` |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=34704 normal, P5 - low, ---, matt.blenkinsop, Failed QA , Print templates are formatted incorrectly |
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cait |
sounds good, I'll try to get to it, but need to catch up now from the meeting |
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caroline |
aude_c[m], yet another thing to discuss in the upcoming docs meeting https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]erge_requests/747 what do we want for this page? |
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h2 |
As a user, I look at the release notes and find them organized in a very helpful way. I think a link to the release notes and the Koha Newsletter may be all that's needed (so newbies find those)--the Koha Newsletter mentions helpful videos, blog posts, etc., and the Release Notes have thorough info. |
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caroline |
for my part, the release notes are not translated (unless I don't know about the translated version?) so they are useless to my clients |
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aude_c[m] |
At the last meeting davidnind explained a bit more what he intended with this page |
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caroline |
*most of my clients (I don't mean to imply all my clients are unilingual) |
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aude_c[m] |
As the Docs team, we need to keep in mind this page isn't the same as the release notes: it's the what's new in the manual from the latest Koha version, rather than "what's new in the latest Koha version" 😅 |
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aude_c[m] |
I've heard several people in favour of this page |
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aude_c[m] |
I feel it will fall to the Documentation Manager to make sure new docs contributions are added to the page |
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aude_c[m] |
So what goes in and what doesn't will always be a bit subjective |
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aude_c[m] |
I guess that means I personally agree with caroline's comments on the merge request 😄 |
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aude_c[m] |
Being able to link to further information - like the resources in the Newsletter that h2 mentions - I think is another thing to consider for the manual |
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caroline |
I added the topic to the agenda |
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aude_c[m] |
But not right now, please! We have enough for the next few meetings 🙃 |
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caroline |
it was empty, but feel free to postpone the topic! |
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aude_c[m] |
My last comment was in relation to my previous one, not yours! |
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caroline |
ok :) |
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aude_c[m] |
Also, if you merge my request (746) I will merge yours 😜 |
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caroline |
I don't necessarily want it merged right away, I'd prefer to have the discussion with the larger docs team, but I will merge your, no problem :) |
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aude_c[m] |
:D Ok, thank you |
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h2 |
I'm sorry that I didn't realize that the Release Notes weren't translated--gosh! Then "What's New" in the Manual would be VERY important and helpful! |
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caroline |
It's ok! I realize not everyone needs everything in another language, even myself, unless I try to link to something to one of my clients and they say "I'm not that good in english"... oops! |
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h2 |
I think documentation in a first language is very important! My only experience with Koha in a second language is when I'm viewing, reading, etc., in German, and that usually makes my brain feel like it's doing gymnastics.:) |
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caroline |
it's like accessibility, unless you need it everyday, it's easy to forget to consider it |
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h2 |
Yes--and important to try to keep it in mind! |
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caroline |
(there was a big scandal two weeks ago in the (north american) knitting community about accessibility, that's why I'm thinking of this) |
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h2 |
Gosh--I'm part of the North American knitting community and I missed this--maybe I need to inform myself about it? |
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cait |
we ususally write German release notes for our customers - if you have a needs for some sports h2 :) |
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caroline |
It's the Wool & Folk fair? Apparently is was extremely unaccessible (not sure which type bc I wasn't there, but I'm thinking not enough space bc it was raining that weekend and probably everyone went inside) |
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caroline |
https://www.pacificknitco.com/[…]tivals-and-beyond |
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caroline |
I'm trying to apply these to kohacon, but will have to do more research as a lot of these don't really apply |
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h2 |
I would be interested in the German release notes, @cait! And, thank you--that's a VERY good post about accessibility of all kinds. Something our public areas are doing here, too, is scent-free for accessibility to people with respiratory conditions. |
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caroline |
that's good! not just respiratory conditions, I think a lot of people also have just a sensory sensitivity |
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h2 |
Today I've been looking at the Wiki, thinking about the role of the Wiki in relation to the Manual, and I've found this page helpful: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ki/OCLC_Connexion I would like to make a page about how my library uses the OCLC Connexion Client because the Connexion Browser interface is being discontinued by OCLC & there will be people converting to the Client. Maybe I could then contribute/update to this section in the One Manual |
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h2 |
https://davidnind.gitlab.io/ko[…]rty_software.html |
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h2 |
And, yes!! A lot of people can have reactions to scents or even just particular scents! |
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cait |
I have seen that when I was in Sweden (don't use strong perfumes etc.) |
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cait |
there is also info on oclc connexion setup in the manual - definitely worth having it only in one place and correct :) |
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h2 |
Yes--the Connexion info in the manual is from me.:) In the manual the information is standard and general. I would like to put on the Wiki all our settings as a museum library--a use case and example for how it can be done in a special library. There is a lot of info, I think, for public and academic libraries out there, so maybe this will be helpful for little, weird libraries like mine.:) |
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reiveune |
bye |
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aude_c[m] |
Sounds great h2 👍️ |
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h2 |
Cool! Thanks, <aude_c[m]>! |
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h2 |
@aude_c ...? (How does one "at" someone in here?) |
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huginn` |
h2: downloading the Perl source |
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caroline |
h2 generally, just writing the name is sufficient... at least with my client |
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aude_c[m] |
using @ is the right way to do it! |
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aude_c[m] |
(it worked in both your comments) |
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h2 |
Cool! Thank you! |
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h2 |
Um...I don't know what "downloading the Perl source" means. Can that be translated into Librarian?:) |
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oleonard |
The @ symbol is reserved for commands to the bots like huginn |
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caroline |
that's when you use @ with a word that is not a command I think |
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oleonard |
In IRC people are usually just mentioned by username |
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aude_c[m] |
Is it? I'm using Element and I have to use @ to mention people |
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oleonard |
IRC clients typically highlight messages that mention the user's nick |
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caroline |
maybe it's specific to that client... I use hexchat and I just type the name |
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oleonard |
aude_c[m]: I'm not sure what you mean by "I have to" |
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oleonard |
What behavior does it trigger? |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Isn't this mentioning you caroline? |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Also using Element |
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caroline |
yes! |
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paulderscheid[m] |
It just doesn't highlight on your end, but it works! |
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paulderscheid[m] |
:D |
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h2 |
I'm using https://webchat.oftc.net/?channels=koha and some things are in red, but not "h2." Sometimes "==" is in red. |
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caroline |
I instructed my client to highlight other terms too (like french, translation, documentation, startmeeting) so I get a ping whenever my username or these words are mentionned |
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h2 |
Ooooh--neato! |
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oleonard |
caroline: "startmeeting" is a good one! |
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aude_c[m] |
oleonard: When I use the @ I get a nice list of existing usernames to pick from. And when I hit send the name is highlighted in the posted text. |
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aude_c[m] |
But I am now learning I apparently don't "have to" do this :D |
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oleonard |
aude_c[m]: As long as you don't mind huginn` complaining every time! :) |
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paulderscheid[m] |
caroline: That's sweet, w/ element? |
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aude_c[m] |
Oh, I don't see huginn complaining! Do you when I @ you oleonard ? |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Ah no hexchat |
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caroline |
paulderscheid[m], I use hexchat, yes |
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oleonard |
@aude_c[m]: huginn` will respond with some nonsense |
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huginn` |
oleonard: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
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paulderscheid[m] |
That's a very nice feature |
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caroline |
it's not as nice looking as element, and I can't use new emojis, but it works well enough |
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aude_c[m] |
oleonard: I'm sorry! I didn't realise because I don't see it 😮 |
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caroline |
it's very 90's XD |
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oleonard |
The "@" symbol is so common in other software these days that really huginn` should use a different command trigger |
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paulderscheid[m] |
I use iamb sometimes but Element is the most reliable one. |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Contextual / would be good like /huginn |
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aude_c[m] |
[Sorry, time to finish here and go to the swimming pool... Thanks for an enlightening conversation :D Will catch up with the end of it tomorrow!] |
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h2 |
Oh, I just found this! https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Channel |
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h2 |
caroline++ |
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h2 |
aude_c++ |
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h2 |
I didn't know huginn was a bot!:):):) |
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oleonard |
h2: and wahanui, who I notice is absent! |
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caroline |
yes, he's been on vacation for a while |
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caroline |
it's? |
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h2 |
Oh, yes! wahanui++ He is always so helpful, on so many different platforms! As, well, y'all are!!! |
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h2 |
oleonard++ |
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h2 |
I'm going to log off now and concentrate on making that wiki page. After I brew more coffee.:) Bye, y'all! Thank you so much for all your help--I'm so glad y'all were hanging out here today!!! |
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waves |
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cait |
oleonard: attached a screenshot to bug 35262 if you are still around |
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Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=35262 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Improve OPAC self registration confirmation page |
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cait |
hi davidnind :) |
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oleonard |
cait: I don't see that. It's like the HTML in your example is broken somewhere |
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cait |
hm it's a normal master I believe |
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cait |
did you see the comment from davidnind? |
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cait |
I can check the source, |
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cait |
hm I have trouble to get to the source of this page in Chrome - form resubmission sth |
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cait |
so the block is id="registration-complete" |
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cait |
I don't see anything obvious |
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oleonard |
Okay, weird, I'm seeing it after a reset_all |
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cait |
I tested your HTML customizations in this database I think |
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cait |
let me heck |
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cait |
hm maybe already reset |
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cait |
would someone have time for a sign-off on bug 35263? |
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Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=35263 blocker, P5 - low, ---, pedro.amorim, Needs Signoff , Cannot update patron categories |
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oleonard: cleaning up some old notes and doing a lot of testing - results ina lot of bug reports, thanks for taking them on :) |
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is it possible we have a difference in the perltidy from the qa tools and the one in Koha? I pertidied a whole new file and it still complains about 3 lines... |
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good morning cait! |
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cait |
hello :) |
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cait |
oleonard++ |
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cait |
davidnind: did you start ktd with --selenium? new db? |
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cait |
latest master? |
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aah.. no... 8-) (didn't start with selenium....) |
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been there... done that.. still no t-shirt |
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cait |
davidnind: would you mind having a look at bug 35261 too? |
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huginn` |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=35261 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Update links for self registration avoiding "here" |
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cait |
mostly a string change, but we need to hurry a bit with these now :) |
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davidnind |
thanks cait - I didn't read the test plan properly... I've now added my sign-off |
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davidnind |
looking now... |
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davidnind |
sign-off added |
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cait |
thanks again :) |
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no problem! let me know if there are any others |
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cait |
I can't believe it... no partial receives are not working again :( |
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this receive code will be my death |
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davidnind |
PTFSEurope++ |
