Time Nick Message 01:01 schnydszch Hi! Regarding my problem, it was already resolved :) 06:42 NikolayGospodinov[m] Hello! I have a question? How can I optimize koha database? 06:47 reiveune hello 07:25 ibnsina[m] hi i have problem with connect to ldap 07:25 * ibnsina[m] uploaded an image: (5KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/BpJlBvhzxRRAIHPLymaEUzUD/image.png > 07:26 * ibnsina[m] uploaded an image: (82KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/JExHshGfetYJtfQvZqpdGLIN/image.png > 07:27 ibnsina[m] when i use this command 07:27 ibnsina[m] its retern html page and i copy it to test.html when i try to login its return error 500 07:27 ibnsina[m] export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ && export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/library/koha-conf.xml && perl /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-user.pl userid=user password=userpass 08:09 paulderscheid[m] Morning #koha 08:10 paulderscheid[m] Damn that was rough weather last week in Amsterdam :D 08:12 khan help i am new at koha want to place header in OPAC using koha 23.05 any one help me i have pasted file in <img src=โ/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/images/header.jpgโ id=โheader-imageโ> but not working 08:23 cait what do you mean by you have pasted a file? just put in the directory? 08:23 cait go to Tools > HTML customizations and create an OpacHeader entry there 08:34 ibnsina[m] <ibnsina[m]> "hi i have problem with connect..." <- anyhelp 08:39 cait I don't have logs here, you'll have toa sk the question again 08:39 cait paulderscheid[m]: Amsterdam is nice - but a lot of rain for you? 08:51 paulderscheid[m] Yeah cait 08:51 paulderscheid[m] Was on vacation there last week 08:51 paulderscheid[m] Two days were so rainy that we had to sprint from one place to the next :D 08:55 paulderscheid[m] <khan> "help i am new at koha want to..." <- Have you read the manual khan? 08:57 paulderscheid[m] https://koha-community.org/manual/23.05/en/html/tools.html#news-label 09:16 cait paulderscheid[m]: but there is a ton of museums to visit for rainy days :) 09:17 cait paulderscheid[m]: did you meet with eythian or marcelr? 09:17 cait PedroAmorim[m]: let's find some time to test your ILL patch for availability issues? 09:18 PedroAmorim[m] o/ 09:18 PedroAmorim[m] that'd be awesome! thank you so much 09:18 cait also we need a quick patch from you 09:18 cait we broke editing patron categories with the ILL patch 09:19 PedroAmorim[m] ah bugger, I just started my day and still going through e-mails 09:19 PedroAmorim[m] is it 35263 09:19 cait bug 35263 09:19 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35263 blocker, P5 - low, ---, pedro.amorim, NEW , Cannot update patron categories 09:19 cait es 09:19 cait yes 09:19 PedroAmorim[m] I'm on it 09:19 cait thx! :) 09:31 paulderscheid[m] Nah cait, was a private trip to get away from it all. Maybe next time or if we ever have a KohaCon in the netherlands :D 09:32 paulderscheid[m] Maybe at the Rijksmuseum marcelr :D 09:45 cait I had a behind the scenes tour last time ;) 09:45 paulderscheid[m] Very cool :D 09:57 ibnsina[m] <ibnsina[m]> "image.png" <- is there any help here ? 09:58 cait I already asked you to ask the full question again - i don't see the previous messages here. 09:58 paulderscheid[m] You need to send the screenshot again instead of quoting it ibnsina 09:59 paulderscheid[m] Or better yet use snipboard.io 09:59 cait yes, please 09:59 ibnsina[m] when enable userldapserver login return error 500 09:59 * ibnsina[m] uploaded an image: (3KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/uexFXNLEKaMghyQYTHnKmjcS/image.png > 09:59 * ibnsina[m] uploaded an image: (65KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/coDfLTxvBfTJiOIBmhyisZlp/image.png > 10:00 ibnsina[m] here is screenshot 10:01 cait I don't see anything obvious 10:01 cait does it work for authentication if you deactivate replicate and update? 10:01 cait it might help to narrow your problem down 10:22 ibnsina[m] can you give me the right step to connect with ldap 10:22 ibnsina[m] ? 10:25 cait have you seen the instructions in the Koha manual? 10:25 cait and did you test without replicate and update as I suggested? 10:25 cait https://koha-community.org/manual/latest/en/html/apis_protocols.html#ldap 10:25 ibnsina[m] i did that but when i enable <userldapserver>1</userldapserver> i got error 500 when login 10:28 paulderscheid[m] Did you look at the logs? 10:28 * ibnsina[m] uploaded an image: (51KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/voBepyZKduIBprgpReWzqSVI/image.png > 10:28 ibnsina[m] yes i disable it 10:28 ibnsina[m] same 10:28 paulderscheid[m] paulderscheid[m]: ibnsina 10:28 ibnsina[m] which log ? 10:28 ibnsina[m] apche koha 10:28 ibnsina[m] opac 10:29 ibnsina[m] which one do you want ? 10:30 paulderscheid[m] Well, did you look into any of them? 10:30 paulderscheid[m] No errors? 10:31 ibnsina[m] paulderscheid[m]: root@isums-koha:/var/log/koha/library# tail *... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/csHLTYxpHODtHNwqwqnHIYJL>) 10:31 ibnsina[m] nothing intresting 10:32 ibnsina[m] just this 10:32 ibnsina[m] LDAP search failed to return object : 000004DC: LdapErr: DSID-0C090A58, comment: In order to perform this operation a successful bind must be completed on the connection., data 0, v4f7c at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth_with_ldap.pm line 99. 10:33 paulderscheid[m] Did you google the error? 10:35 ibnsina[m] yes 10:35 ibnsina[m] i think its ldap connection but im sure about all information is good 10:36 ibnsina[m] use ldapsearch return ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49) 10:36 ibnsina[m] additional info: 80090308: LdapErr: DSID-0C090434, comment: AcceptSecurityContext error, data 57, v4f7c 10:36 ibnsina[m] i dont know why im jure about the info 10:37 paulderscheid[m] Did you look at Auth_with_ldap.pm:99? 10:37 paulderscheid[m] Maybe you can go back some steps in the Code to see where it fails? 10:39 * ibnsina[m] uploaded an image: (59KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/PWNMiHaZwQSVkYVyydIaGpEW/image.png > 10:39 ibnsina[m] here 10:40 cait bbl 10:42 ibnsina[m] i used same config on windows and got success result 10:42 * ibnsina[m] uploaded an image: (79KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/vVRYhEGXKwNMccqkwAmfgXsa/image.png > 10:42 paulderscheid[m] <ibnsina[m]> "use ldapsearch return ldap_bind:..." <- > <@ibnsina:matrix.org> use ldapsearch return ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49) 10:42 paulderscheid[m] > additional info: 80090308: LdapErr: DSID-0C090434, comment: AcceptSecurityContext error, data 57, v4f7c 10:42 paulderscheid[m] If I were you I would triple-check the credentials again 10:42 paulderscheid[m] Ah, is that arabic? 10:42 ibnsina[m] paulderscheid[m]: i did like 10 times not just 3 10:43 ibnsina[m] paulderscheid[m]: only name is on arabic 10:43 ibnsina[m] the uid is numbers 10:43 ibnsina[m] and i installed koha arabic pack works fine 10:43 paulderscheid[m] Ok 10:50 paulderscheid[m] Hmm, I never worked w/ LDAP in koha so I'm not the best person to help you.. Maybe try again in 1-2 hours? 10:51 paulderscheid[m] It's still kinda quiet here atm. 10:52 tcohen[m] hola #koha o/ 10:52 ibnsina[m] paulderscheid[m]: ty 10:53 paulderscheid[m] Ah, there's tcohen. Maybe he knows a thing or two. 10:53 paulderscheid[m] LDAP? 10:53 tcohen[m] Maybe, what's up? 10:54 paulderscheid[m] LDAP invalid creds even though they appear to be correctly configured. 10:54 ashimema have you tried the connection outside of koha using ldapsearch or similar~? 10:54 paulderscheid[m] ibnsina? 10:55 paulderscheid[m] They asked for help. I'm trying to find someone who's knowledeable :D 10:55 ashimema ldapsearch -x -b "dc=devconnected,dc=com" -H ldap://192.168.178.29 -D "cn=admin,dc=devconnected,dc=com" -W is a rough example 10:55 ibnsina[m] return ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49) 10:55 ibnsina[m] additional info: 80090308: LdapErr: DSID-0C090434, comment: AcceptSecurityContext error, data 57, v4f7c 10:55 ibnsina[m] ashimema: got this 10:57 ashimema I presume you replaces the content of the -b, -H and -D there ๐ 10:57 ashimema to match your setup 10:57 ashimema it could be firewall related.. at your end or the ldapserver end 10:57 ashimema I'd check using ldapsearch with the exact credentials and things setup in your koha 10:58 ibnsina[m] ashimema: i did that its work fine at windows but on ubuntu no 10:59 * ibnsina[m] uploaded an image: (71KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/bpeHIHvJTWvxjKylVjvFdOFg/image.png > 10:59 ibnsina[m] here is windows 10:59 * ibnsina[m] uploaded an image: (65KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/zvLlQTXaPxgHbGnvTHcJqdEb/image.png > 10:59 ibnsina[m] ubuntu config 10:59 paulderscheid[m] The first thing that comes to mind when I hear this is carriage return :D 11:00 ashimema it's been years since I've dug into LDAP I'm afraid 11:00 ashimema surprised your not using auth by bind though.. I would have expected that to be the case in 99% of cases 11:09 oleonard Hi #koha 11:10 paulderscheid[m] Hi oleonard 11:31 ashimema arond? 11:31 ashimema cait 11:31 paulderscheid[m] cait's shopping\ 11:54 oleonard fridolin and I colliding with Bug 35265 and Bug 35249... 11:54 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35265 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Remove drag and drop in Elasticsearch mappings 11:54 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35249 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Use DataTables RowReorder extension instead of tableDND jQuery plugin 11:55 cait I have returned :) 11:55 cait ashimema: ? 11:55 ashimema I was going to ask about the catalog toggle bug.. looks like you were the last to touch it for QA 11:55 cait yes and it looked nice then 11:55 cait I commented about that on the bug, something with the CSS appears to be missing? 11:56 ashimema and somehow we lost half the changes in that patch.. only the template change is in that last patch.. the one before it has a lot more 11:56 cait it was a nice slider to the right of the screen instead of the checkbox 11:56 ashimema not jsut css 11:56 ashimema the js 11:56 ashimema all teh functionality is gone 11:56 cait oh 11:56 cait wow 11:56 cait are my uploaded patches broken? 11:56 ashimema I wanted to check if you'd rebased or something and somehow missed re-adding all the files 11:56 ashimema I think so 11:56 ashimema look at the one patch on bz 11:56 ashimema it's only affecting one file 11:57 cait I don't have the branch here 11:57 ashimema if you look at the previous obsoleted one it touches a lot more 11:57 cait so I can't check that - it's on the other computer 11:57 ashimema ah, okies 11:57 ashimema well.. we can probably just restore from bugzilla 11:57 ashimema I've asked lucas to take a look anyways 11:57 ashimema just wondered how it had happened 11:57 cait do we need to revert and push again or how would that work? 11:57 ashimema in other news.. sorry I never got back to the notices and br bug 11:57 cait I have one idea... sometimes my qa tools go... wild 11:57 ashimema thanks for all your work there.. I'm working through now 11:57 cait I have had it happen that it destroyed patches 11:57 cait but not... partail 11:58 ashimema interesting 11:58 cait usually i notice that, so it's a bit strange, but I don't remember any rebase or other manual work on those 11:58 ashimema doh.. WELCOME email doesn't hit the message queue 11:58 ashimema I thought it did 11:58 ashimema whats another easy to fake notice in ktd? 12:02 ashimema weird 12:02 ashimema it does enqueue it 12:02 ashimema just doesn't then display it under the patrons notices tab 12:02 ashimema ahh.. 12:02 ashimema maybe I don't have a notice setup 12:13 cait i just made my ktd send emai 12:13 cait adding my normal smtp server did the trick 12:14 cait it realyl got tons easier with that dev in 12:14 cait but I also thought it would go through the message queue 12:14 ashimema I was using a user without an email 12:14 ashimema my mistake 12:14 cait ah ok, that would explain that :) 12:14 * ashimema is looking at bug 30287 12:14 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30287 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, NEW , Notices using HTML renders differently in notices.pl 12:16 cait I didn't look closer yet, but I believe it might just need somethign to show html notices differently than the plaint ext ones 12:17 kidclamp ciat++ 12:17 ashimema yes 12:17 kidclamp cait++ even 12:17 ashimema it's a tt filter we add 12:18 cait but can't we if else it? 12:18 ashimema yup 12:18 ashimema I'm just reminding myself how to spot if a notice is html or not in the first place 12:18 ashimema it's interesting 12:18 ashimema we use an iframe 12:18 ashimema which i wasn't expecting 12:18 cait hmm 12:19 cait I thin we did that because errors in the HTML kept breaking the page 12:19 ashimema I think I'd have expected the usual modal stuff 12:19 ashimema ah, I see 12:19 ashimema makes sense 12:19 cait it's a good quesiton about the HTML when coming from the message queue 12:19 paulderscheid[m] Friendly reminder to remove iframes whereever you can :D 12:19 ashimema mm 12:20 cait are they dying or something? 12:20 ashimema not really knowing why we have it there I'm a bit reluctant to remove it in this patch 12:20 ashimema but.. 12:20 ashimema I do think we should completely remove the `html_line_break` filter we're adding and instead wrap the content in a `<pre>` or not depending on is_html 12:20 ashimema that's more consistent with what we actually do at print/email time 12:21 cait ashimema: it looks like we set content_type in the message_queue 12:21 cait at least sometimes 12:21 cait text/html 12:21 paulderscheid[m] Just for reference, browser native portals are already in experimental phase: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/portal 12:21 cait maybe we can use that 12:22 cait or you look it up from letter_code and Message_transport_type 12:22 ashimema mm 12:22 ashimema in bug 34728 we set an is_html flag in the controller so we can pass it into the template 12:22 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34728 trivial, P5 - low, ---, matt.blenkinsop, Pushed to oldstable , HTML notices should not be pre-formatted 12:23 ashimema I'm reluctant to do that here creating an additional loop in the controller 12:23 ashimema but doing a regex comparison in TT also feels a little dirty 12:23 * ashimema contemplates 12:23 cait i believe we now have objects 12:23 cait for the messaging things - just not used overall yet 12:24 cait might mke the look up a tiny bit easier? 12:24 ashimema yeah.. not in this case yet though ๐ 12:24 ashimema all fun and games 12:28 cait ashimema: you scared oleonard-away away 12:28 ashimema ? 12:28 ashimema I did? 12:39 cait it looked like it :) 12:39 cait (but I am just teasing) 12:42 ashimema darn 12:43 ashimema we don't even send content_type back from GetQueuedMessages yet โน๏ธ 12:43 ashimema I didn't really want to change the signature of the whole thing.. grr 12:44 cait oh I see, we are in C4 12:44 * cait sends cookies 12:45 ashimema looks like I 'could' fairly easily just switch out GetQueuedMessages for Koha::Notice::Messages->search() I reckon 12:46 ashimema going to take the dog round the block and then look into that 12:51 ashimema got it 12:51 ashimema will send patch after walk 12:51 cait :) 12:52 ashimema sod it.. I'll throw the patch on now and write a test plan properly once back.. 12:52 ashimema done 12:52 ashimema bug 30287 12:52 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30287 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, NEW , Notices using HTML renders differently in notices.pl 12:58 ashimema I'm not 100% on the pre Vs html_line_break filter 12:59 ashimema Need to research a little deeper to be confident in that one 13:07 paulderscheid[m] ashimema is styling important? If not you could use a shadowDOM. 13:07 paulderscheid[m] Inside it's boundaries the html can be invalid and due to the encapsulation still not break the light DOM. 13:08 paulderscheid[m] s/it's/its/ 13:27 ashimema The idea is to make it match the actual notice content the end user will receive as closely as possible 13:27 paulderscheid[m] Is the css not embedded? 13:27 ashimema Which were already failing on as we don't apply CSS etc inside the iframe 13:28 paulderscheid[m] It's possible to "inject" the css in the shadowDOM. It's a little dirty but it's less likely to break. 13:28 ashimema part of the problem is we're mega inconsistent with what we apply at notice send/display/print times 13:29 ashimema you're really talking about shadowDOM vs iFrames aren't you 13:29 ashimema right now I'm not considering taking out the iFrame.. I think that should be it's own bug ๐ 13:29 paulderscheid[m] ashimema: Yes 13:30 paulderscheid[m] You're right, this should be its own bug. 13:30 paulderscheid[m] I think there are lots of places in koha where web components would be a much more elegant solution. 13:31 paulderscheid[m] But I'm a little biased, just to be fair. 13:33 ashimema I agree 13:33 ashimema and would love to see that bug filed ๐ 13:33 ashimema hint hint 13:34 paulderscheid[m] Haha, I'll add it to my list. 13:37 ashimema there's always too many things to do isn't there ๐ 13:38 paulderscheid[m] Yeah, I hope we can slowly migrate towards sticking more closely to the community version. Would be more fun and we'd be able to actually contribute. 13:38 paulderscheid[m] But it's an uphill battle. 13:38 paulderscheid[m] Not necessarily because of my ceo but rather historic decisions. 13:40 ashimema honestly.. it's taken us years to get where we are now at ptfs-e.. and we still have a few oddball installs with customisation per site 13:40 ashimema and we're still on our own branch.. usually just a few critical enhancements ahead of community.. a few backports that don't make sense in the feature stable versions but our customers "just can't wait" 13:40 ashimema but we're getting there 13:40 paulderscheid[m] I think you're doing great! 13:40 paulderscheid[m] Just look at the stats :D 13:41 ashimema the key decision was when we decided that all code we write should have the community in mind.. so we always ask the customer questions before commiting to a development and work hard to understand how it's going to affect community up front 13:41 ashimema doesn't always work.. 13:41 ashimema but having that mentality to think 'community first' does help 13:41 paulderscheid[m] That's as simple as it is insightful. Tough sell, though. 13:42 paulderscheid[m] At least in the german market. 13:42 ashimema it used to be in the UK market too 13:42 ashimema ๐ 13:43 ashimema they all think they're unique here 13:43 ashimema but.. 13:43 ashimema it's what lead to things like the ILL module and that's in use all over the place now 13:43 ashimema not perfect and in need of a version 2 we're working on 13:43 ashimema erm 13:43 ashimema also key 13:43 ashimema tit's amazing how often need to actually overlap in the end.. it's just finding out how 13:44 paulderscheid[m] You should really chat sometime w/ Roger :P 13:44 paulderscheid[m] :D 13:46 ashimema hehe 13:46 ashimema happy to 13:46 ashimema we've chatted a few times over the years 13:57 ashimema there isn't a NoticeCSS equivilent that allows you to just add inline css is there.. as apposed to having to host a file somewhere and point to that? 14:17 caroline_catlady I don't think so ashimema 14:17 ashimema shame 14:17 ashimema bug 30287 is nice ๐ 14:17 caroline_catlady but I think maybe you can use the id in intranetusercss? 14:17 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30287 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Notices using HTML renders differently in notices.pl 14:18 caroline_catlady I don't think I've tried it for notices, but I know I did for quick labels 14:18 ashimema yeah 14:18 ashimema that would work 14:18 ashimema it's just not elegant ๐ 14:18 cait back 14:20 cait re CSS and the notices: it needs to be embedded or linked to a publicly available one I guess to take any effect in the mail client? 14:21 ashimema we could easily enough serve it ourselves from a preference 14:21 ashimema but hey ho 14:21 caroline_catlady ah yes, I was thinking of the slips, not the ones sent my email.. sorry 14:21 Joubu What's happening with October releases? 14:21 cait not that I haven't been trying... 14:22 cait hm should scroll down lol 14:22 ashimema ? 14:22 cait talking to people about conributing their things to community right away... etc. :) 14:23 ashimema hehe 14:23 ashimema I've finished up all I can think of in bug 30287 now cait 14:23 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30287 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Notices using HTML renders differently in notices.pl 14:23 ashimema now revisiting bug 34704 to understand what's outstanding 14:23 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34704 normal, P5 - low, ---, matt.blenkinsop, Failed QA , Print templates are formatted incorrectly 14:24 cait sounds good, I'll try to get to it, but need to catch up now from the meeting 15:36 caroline aude_c[m], yet another thing to discuss in the upcoming docs meeting https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-manual/-/merge_requests/747 what do we want for this page? 15:41 h2 As a user, I look at the release notes and find them organized in a very helpful way. I think a link to the release notes and the Koha Newsletter may be all that's needed (so newbies find those)--the Koha Newsletter mentions helpful videos, blog posts, etc., and the Release Notes have thorough info. 15:43 caroline for my part, the release notes are not translated (unless I don't know about the translated version?) so they are useless to my clients 15:43 aude_c[m] At the last meeting davidnind explained a bit more what he intended with this page 15:44 caroline *most of my clients (I don't mean to imply all my clients are unilingual) 15:45 aude_c[m] As the Docs team, we need to keep in mind this page isn't the same as the release notes: it's the what's new in the manual from the latest Koha version, rather than "what's new in the latest Koha version" ๐ 15:45 aude_c[m] I've heard several people in favour of this page 15:46 aude_c[m] I feel it will fall to the Documentation Manager to make sure new docs contributions are added to the page 15:46 aude_c[m] So what goes in and what doesn't will always be a bit subjective 15:49 aude_c[m] I guess that means I personally agree with caroline's comments on the merge request ๐ 15:50 aude_c[m] Being able to link to further information - like the resources in the Newsletter that h2 mentions - I think is another thing to consider for the manual 15:51 caroline I added the topic to the agenda 15:51 aude_c[m] But not right now, please! We have enough for the next few meetings ๐ 15:51 caroline it was empty, but feel free to postpone the topic! 15:51 aude_c[m] My last comment was in relation to my previous one, not yours! 15:52 caroline ok :) 15:55 aude_c[m] Also, if you merge my request (746) I will merge yours ๐ 15:58 caroline I don't necessarily want it merged right away, I'd prefer to have the discussion with the larger docs team, but I will merge your, no problem :) 16:00 aude_c[m] :D Ok, thank you 16:11 h2 I'm sorry that I didn't realize that the Release Notes weren't translated--gosh! Then "What's New" in the Manual would be VERY important and helpful! 16:17 caroline It's ok! I realize not everyone needs everything in another language, even myself, unless I try to link to something to one of my clients and they say "I'm not that good in english"... oops! 16:19 h2 I think documentation in a first language is very important! My only experience with Koha in a second language is when I'm viewing, reading, etc., in German, and that usually makes my brain feel like it's doing gymnastics.:) 16:19 caroline it's like accessibility, unless you need it everyday, it's easy to forget to consider it 16:20 h2 Yes--and important to try to keep it in mind! 16:20 caroline (there was a big scandal two weeks ago in the (north american) knitting community about accessibility, that's why I'm thinking of this) 16:22 h2 Gosh--I'm part of the North American knitting community and I missed this--maybe I need to inform myself about it? 16:23 cait we ususally write German release notes for our customers - if you have a needs for some sports h2 :) 16:23 caroline It's the Wool & Folk fair? Apparently is was extremely unaccessible (not sure which type bc I wasn't there, but I'm thinking not enough space bc it was raining that weekend and probably everyone went inside) 16:24 caroline https://www.pacificknitco.com/post/accessibility-for-fiber-festivals-and-beyond 16:25 caroline I'm trying to apply these to kohacon, but will have to do more research as a lot of these don't really apply 16:27 h2 I would be interested in the German release notes, @cait! And, thank you--that's a VERY good post about accessibility of all kinds. Something our public areas are doing here, too, is scent-free for accessibility to people with respiratory conditions. 16:29 caroline that's good! not just respiratory conditions, I think a lot of people also have just a sensory sensitivity 16:30 h2 Today I've been looking at the Wiki, thinking about the role of the Wiki in relation to the Manual, and I've found this page helpful: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/OCLC_Connexion I would like to make a page about how my library uses the OCLC Connexion Client because the Connexion Browser interface is being discontinued by OCLC & there will be people converting to the Client. Maybe I could then contribute/update to this section in the One Manual 16:30 h2 https://davidnind.gitlab.io/koha-docs-reorganise/third_party_software.html 16:30 h2 And, yes!! A lot of people can have reactions to scents or even just particular scents! 16:40 cait I have seen that when I was in Sweden (don't use strong perfumes etc.) 16:40 cait there is also info on oclc connexion setup in the manual - definitely worth having it only in one place and correct :) 16:46 h2 Yes--the Connexion info in the manual is from me.:) In the manual the information is standard and general. I would like to put on the Wiki all our settings as a museum library--a use case and example for how it can be done in a special library. There is a lot of info, I think, for public and academic libraries out there, so maybe this will be helpful for little, weird libraries like mine.:) 16:53 reiveune bye 17:01 aude_c[m] Sounds great h2 ๐๏ธ 17:02 h2 Cool! Thanks, <aude_c[m]>! 17:05 h2 @aude_c ...? (How does one "at" someone in here?) 17:05 huginn` h2: downloading the Perl source 17:05 caroline h2 generally, just writing the name is sufficient... at least with my client 17:05 aude_c[m] using @ is the right way to do it! 17:06 aude_c[m] (it worked in both your comments) 17:06 h2 Cool! Thank you! 17:06 h2 Um...I don't know what "downloading the Perl source" means. Can that be translated into Librarian?:) 17:06 oleonard The @ symbol is reserved for commands to the bots like huginn 17:06 caroline that's when you use @ with a word that is not a command I think 17:07 oleonard In IRC people are usually just mentioned by username 17:07 aude_c[m] Is it? I'm using Element and I have to use @ to mention people 17:08 oleonard IRC clients typically highlight messages that mention the user's nick 17:08 caroline maybe it's specific to that client... I use hexchat and I just type the name 17:08 oleonard aude_c[m]: I'm not sure what you mean by "I have to" 17:08 oleonard What behavior does it trigger? 17:09 paulderscheid[m] Isn't this mentioning you caroline? 17:09 paulderscheid[m] Also using Element 17:09 caroline yes! 17:09 paulderscheid[m] It just doesn't highlight on your end, but it works! 17:09 paulderscheid[m] :D 17:09 h2 I'm using https://webchat.oftc.net/?channels=koha and some things are in red, but not "h2." Sometimes "==" is in red. 17:10 caroline I instructed my client to highlight other terms too (like french, translation, documentation, startmeeting) so I get a ping whenever my username or these words are mentionned 17:10 h2 Ooooh--neato! 17:10 oleonard caroline: "startmeeting" is a good one! 17:12 aude_c[m] oleonard: When I use the @ I get a nice list of existing usernames to pick from. And when I hit send the name is highlighted in the posted text. 17:12 aude_c[m] But I am now learning I apparently don't "have to" do this :D 17:13 oleonard aude_c[m]: As long as you don't mind huginn` complaining every time! :) 17:13 paulderscheid[m] caroline: That's sweet, w/ element? 17:14 aude_c[m] Oh, I don't see huginn complaining! Do you when I @ you oleonard ? 17:14 paulderscheid[m] Ah no hexchat 17:14 caroline paulderscheid[m], I use hexchat, yes 17:14 oleonard @aude_c[m]: huginn` will respond with some nonsense 17:14 huginn` oleonard: I've exhausted my database of quotes 17:14 paulderscheid[m] That's a very nice feature 17:14 caroline it's not as nice looking as element, and I can't use new emojis, but it works well enough 17:15 aude_c[m] oleonard: I'm sorry! I didn't realise because I don't see it ๐ฎ 17:15 caroline it's very 90's XD 17:15 oleonard The "@" symbol is so common in other software these days that really huginn` should use a different command trigger 17:15 paulderscheid[m] I use iamb sometimes but Element is the most reliable one. 17:16 paulderscheid[m] Contextual / would be good like /huginn 17:16 aude_c[m] [Sorry, time to finish here and go to the swimming pool... Thanks for an enlightening conversation :D Will catch up with the end of it tomorrow!] 17:31 h2 Oh, I just found this! https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Channel 17:32 h2 caroline++ 17:32 h2 aude_c++ 17:33 h2 I didn't know huginn was a bot!:):):) 17:42 oleonard h2: and wahanui, who I notice is absent! 17:42 caroline yes, he's been on vacation for a while 17:42 caroline it's? 17:44 h2 Oh, yes! wahanui++ He is always so helpful, on so many different platforms! As, well, y'all are!!! 17:45 h2 oleonard++ 17:46 h2 I'm going to log off now and concentrate on making that wiki page. After I brew more coffee.:) Bye, y'all! Thank you so much for all your help--I'm so glad y'all were hanging out here today!!! 18:50 * cait waves 18:52 cait oleonard: attached a screenshot to bug 35262 if you are still around 18:52 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35262 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Improve OPAC self registration confirmation page 19:03 cait hi davidnind :) 19:04 oleonard cait: I don't see that. It's like the HTML in your example is broken somewhere 19:08 cait hm it's a normal master I believe 19:08 cait did you see the comment from davidnind? 19:08 cait I can check the source, 19:10 cait hm I have trouble to get to the source of this page in Chrome - form resubmission sth 19:11 cait so the block is id="registration-complete" 19:12 cait I don't see anything obvious 19:12 oleonard Okay, weird, I'm seeing it after a reset_all 19:12 cait I tested your HTML customizations in this database I think 19:12 cait let me heck 19:12 cait hm maybe already reset 19:14 cait would someone have time for a sign-off on bug 35263? 19:14 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35263 blocker, P5 - low, ---, pedro.amorim, Needs Signoff , Cannot update patron categories 19:17 cait oleonard: cleaning up some old notes and doing a lot of testing - results ina lot of bug reports, thanks for taking them on :) 19:32 cait is it possible we have a difference in the perltidy from the qa tools and the one in Koha? I pertidied a whole new file and it still complains about 3 lines... 19:41 davidnind good morning cait! 19:43 cait hello :) 20:10 cait oleonard++ 20:55 cait davidnind: did you start ktd with --selenium? new db? 20:55 cait latest master? 20:59 davidnind aah.. no... 8-) (didn't start with selenium....) 21:15 cait been there... done that.. still no t-shirt 21:18 cait davidnind: would you mind having a look at bug 35261 too? 21:18 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35261 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Update links for self registration avoiding "here" 21:18 cait mostly a string change, but we need to hurry a bit with these now :) 21:22 davidnind thanks cait - I didn't read the test plan properly... I've now added my sign-off 21:22 davidnind looking now... 21:33 davidnind sign-off added 21:35 cait thanks again :) 21:38 davidnind no problem! let me know if there are any others 22:12 cait I can't believe it... no partial receives are not working again :( 22:12 cait this receive code will be my death 23:59 davidnind PTFSEurope++