IRC log for #koha, 2019-12-09

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07:11 magnuse \o/
07:11 magnuse davidnind++
07:15 calire morning #koha
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07:31 magnuse hiya calire
07:31 calire hi magnuse :)
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07:45 reiveune hello
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07:52 josef_moravec hello #koha
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07:54 alex_a Bonjour
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12:33 oleonard Hi #koha
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12:44 magnuse hiya oleonard
12:45 oleonard Hi magnuse
12:45 oleonard @wunder magnuse
12:45 huginn oleonard: Error: Failed to load Wunderground API. Check the logs for more information.
12:46 magnuse hehe, not a placename, yet
12:46 magnuse @wunder bodø, norway
12:46 huginn magnuse: Error: I could not find a valid location for: bodø, norway
12:46 magnuse @wunder bodo, norway
12:46 huginn magnuse: Error: Failed to load Wunderground API. Check the logs for more information.
12:46 magnuse @wunder Bodø
12:46 huginn magnuse: Error: I could not find a valid location for: Bodø
12:46 oleonard It's broken altogether.
12:46 magnuse -3C, cloudy
12:47 magnuse 1cm fresh snow earlier today
12:47 oleonard 7C, rain here
12:47 magnuse wow, big eruption in nz
12:48 oleonard https://www.ohio.edu/webcam
12:49 oleonard Wow, I hadn't heard that
12:50 magnuse http://www.xn--bodhavn-s1a.no/webkamera/
12:51 magnuse https://images.geonet.org.nz/e[…]-seismic-drum.png
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12:57 tcohen morning
12:58 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
12:58 huginn tcohen: Error: Failed to load Wunderground API. Check the logs for more information.
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13:14 magnuse hiya tcohen
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13:35 tcohen hola magnuse
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13:50 eythian magnuse: really, a fairly small eruption on the scale of such things. It just happened while there were people pretty much in the crater :/
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14:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24168: (bug 23116 follow-up) AllowHoldPolicyOverride allows a librarian to almost... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0414ee6add0d80c44>
14:27 magnuse eythian: ah, ok
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14:28 magnuse huh,why can i see an ill userflag in the db, but nothing about ill in the permissions ui?
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14:36 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24136: Update sponsors for 19.11 cycle <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]74d41275701b818f7>
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14:46 magnuse oleonard: do you think this is an acceptable way to use the number_box "widget" to display multiple links from a biblio to connected ILL requests? https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]ment.cgi?id=96102
14:46 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24126: Article requests tab appears twice on patron's checkout screen <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]311ec750d39298167>
14:46 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23987: "return to cataloguing" if the record is deleted from bachMod-del <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9e3016f52fdf2d71a>
14:46 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23987: Use src=CATALOGUING for edition/deletion in batch from items table <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3561ddc9108ce138a>
14:46 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24056: Capitalization: Cash Register ID on cash register management page <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]51895fd42034d8c4c>
14:46 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24053: Typo in FinePaymentAutoPopup description <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]015fd2443cbcc3df6>
14:46 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24057: Hea is not an acronym <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0bb1156f0aa90c2b6>
14:46 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20948: Only display item-level hold info if first hold <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]597cb977766704e5b>
14:46 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20948: Simplify existing code <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]29c5e7a09a8f91641>
14:46 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24033: Fix column labelling on basket summary page (ecost) <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]72ec5b3cabed5ff85>
14:46 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23246: (follow-up) Hardcoding tab position is not enough <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f5cc0c05aa133d879>
14:46 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23246: Only jump into the 'images' tab HTML5MediaEnabled is set <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f0686aabdce43f5e6>
14:46 magnuse bug 20799
14:46 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20799 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Add a link from biblio detail view to ILL request detail view, if a biblio has an ILL request
14:47 * oleonard throws a rope to magnuse to keep him from getting swept away in huginn messages
14:47 oleonard magnuse: I don't understand why there are 2
14:49 oleonard Oh they each link to a separate request?
14:50 magnuse yes!
14:50 magnuse normally there will only be one, but there could perhaps be more, so i want to take care of that
14:50 magnuse @quote get 123
14:50 huginn magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
14:50 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
14:50 oleonard It would be nice if it could work like the holds link: It shows the count of ILL requests and clicking it shows the list of all ILL requests
14:51 magnuse yeah, but today there is nowhere to link to display the ill requests connected to a biblio
14:52 wizzyrea hi
14:52 wahanui bonjour, wizzyrea
14:52 wizzyrea "OkCupid stopped aging out employee passwords by policy a couple of years before NIST revised SP 800-63B. Instead, regular password audits are performed as a mitigating control. Employee password hashes for critical core resources are collected and thrown into a password cracking rig. Any passwords which are recovered are forced to be changed."
14:52 wizzyrea ^ it would be interesting to enforce this kind of a thing on Koha staff passwords
14:54 magnuse cool!
14:55 magnuse i think i would prioritize 2 factor auth, if i could, though
14:56 wizzyrea yeah same
14:56 * magnuse wanders off to make fish soup
14:56 wizzyrea I'm told that "in the real world" (don't get me started here...) library patrons can't deal with 2 factor
14:56 wizzyrea and there is at least one fair point there - that not everyone has a phone or a phone number
14:57 wizzyrea or even internet access or an email account.
14:57 magnuse i was mainly thinking 2fa for staff
14:57 magnuse we ahould have had that like... yesterday :-)
14:57 wizzyrea oh hell yeah
14:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 17831: DBRev 19.12.00.001 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]54041d7bd24e0e71e>
14:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24128: Add alias for biblionumber search <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f9e4296fab5d99a6f>
14:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 17831: Database update - Tidy up frameworks in existing installations <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a3216a554f196c5b9>
14:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 17831: Remove non-existig bibliosubject.subject mapping from frameworks <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]86ce3488dc9f44b9b>
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14:58 wizzyrea also fish soup yum
14:58 wizzyrea what kind of fish?
14:58 caroline_catlady hi all!
14:58 wizzyrea hi caroline_catlady
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14:59 ashimema the first few perl advent articles are about password strength checking
14:59 oleonard wizzyrea: I'll bet it's a cool fish we can't get here
14:59 wizzyrea it always is amirite
14:59 ashimema interesitng read.. I was very tempted to throw a koha plugin together following them
14:59 wizzyrea oh oh I have an article
14:59 wizzyrea sec
14:59 wizzyrea https://www.google.com/url?q=h[…]2mDMFejy3CDvXLJ9g
15:00 ashimema as for 2fa.. I've been wanting to add it for staff client for ages.. but no-one has sponsored me to do it yet :(
15:00 wizzyrea :( :( :(
15:00 wizzyrea ok does... does it just need to get done?
15:00 ashimema http://www.perladvent.org/2019/
15:00 ashimema articles 1, 2 and 3
15:00 ashimema 1 = password strength, 2 = password pwned checking, 3 = 2fa
15:01 ashimema all well worthwhile reads
15:01 wizzyrea *nod* I wish we had a strength checker but then again they also are kind of... depending on the checker they don't mean much
15:01 ashimema totally
15:03 wizzyrea I was just thinking about the pwnt checking
15:03 wizzyrea I think that's an awesome customer service
15:03 wizzyrea that libraries should provide
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15:03 ashimema totally
15:03 wizzyrea as in, your local library is letting you know that the password you use literally everywhere is on a list
15:03 ashimema well.. i reckon with the plugin hook that magnus added o 19.11 we're not far off being able to add it via plugin
15:04 wizzyrea that's a public service. I am both ashamed and grateful when I get an email from a company where I've forgotten about the account I have there emails me and is like "hey you, your password here is pwnt we disabled your account"
15:04 wizzyrea THANKING YOU.
15:04 ashimema maybe I'll do it as a lunch time project
15:04 wizzyrea i will test it for you :)
15:04 ashimema it's a great idea :)
15:05 oleonard I will cheer everyone on
15:05 wizzyrea :D
15:05 ashimema http://www.perladvent.org/2019/2019-12-03.html makes 2fa look like childs play
15:05 ashimema maybe I'll do that for the staff client whilst I'm at it.. :)
15:06 wizzyrea again, I'll test that for you
15:06 wizzyrea I will be GLORIOUSLY HAPPY to test that
15:07 ashimema ohh.. school run
15:07 ashimema back in a bit.
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15:32 qasim why do I need to use port 8080 for a IP based installation? Can't I use port 80 directly, so if anyone that is trying to access the domain name (private network), just directly gets directed to the Koha page instead?
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16:00 liliputech_asu qasim: if you use ip-based installation then you still get two different virtualhosts for OPAC and STAFF interface. however they both reply to any hostname requested, hence you got to differentiate the two interfaces by another mean, listening port for example, that is.
16:00 qasim So I can set the user "INTRA" to port 80 and the OPAC to port 8080 and that should be fine?
16:01 liliputech_asu qasim: you could do that :)
16:01 qasim That's nice, thank you :)
16:01 liliputech_asu u'r welkom, good luck with your installation!
16:02 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1026: UNSTABLE in 54 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D9/1026/
16:03 qasim One more question, after running `sudo koha-create --create-db library` no apache config files have been created. So when I try to run `sudo a2ensite library` it gives me an error `ERROR: Site library does not exist!`. Even though the db has been created successfully
16:03 liliputech_asu speaking of "user" is a bit confusing in this context, I'd rather speak of "interfaces" (OPAC and STAFF) since some users could have access to both.
16:03 qasim You are correct.
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16:03 liliputech_asu qasim: let me check that script for u
16:03 qasim There is a lot of new terminology for me in the library systems landscape, still trying to wrap my head around it
16:04 liliputech_asu qasim: have some headache medicin ready at hand then :)
16:04 qasim hahaha
16:09 liliputech_asu qasim: I *guess* if you give --create-db option to koha-create, then it only creates the db.
16:10 liliputech_asu qasim: what you could do to solve your issue : remove "library" instance then recreate with koha-create but without --create-db option
16:10 liliputech_asu qasim: since you didn't had access to your instance, I *guess* there is not much data in there yet.
16:12 qasim I will give this a try
16:12 qasim Thank you for your help
16:13 liliputech_asu qasim: owf, u'r very welkom, I'll hang around for an hour or so if any help needed
16:14 qasim Appreciate it Arthur :) I think I screwed something up. `shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory` I was doing the initial setup using the root user.. I should not have done that.
16:14 qasim I was following a tutorial blindly
16:14 qasim I'll reset my VM and try again from scratch
16:21 liliputech_asu qasim: which tutorial did you followed?
16:22 wizzyrea ooh
16:22 wizzyrea yeah don't follow a rando tutorial
16:22 wizzyrea 1s we have a community one, it's the best one
16:22 liliputech_asu qasim: i'd say if you're using debian this one is reference : https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ki/Koha_on_Debian
16:23 wizzyrea https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ki/Koha_on_Debian
16:23 wizzyrea ^ this is the canonical install doc
16:23 wizzyrea a+ liliputech_asu :D
16:23 liliputech_asu if ubuntu : https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ubuntu_-_packages
16:23 liliputech_asu :)
16:23 wizzyrea and just... just don't on centos
16:23 wizzyrea don't intentionally give yourself a headache
16:24 liliputech_asu wizzyrea: I think... there even used to be some BSD tutorials around here... foolish... :)
16:24 wizzyrea omggggg
16:25 wizzyrea that's like taking off your shoe and beating your forehead with it, while it's covered in dog poo
16:25 wizzyrea just why
16:25 liliputech_asu fun
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16:25 wizzyrea you end up covered in poo, and you get it all over your office at the same time!
16:26 ashimema lol
16:26 reiveune bye
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16:26 wizzyrea in 11 years, I've never been fast enough to tell that person by when they leave
16:26 wizzyrea bye*
16:27 oleonard wizzyrea: You'll have to program wahanui to do it for you
16:32 qasim I made a mistaken in following this tutorial https://www.academia.edu/38039[…]l_in_Ubuntu_18.04 for the first time after always using koha-community tutorials which worked for me. Foolish of me
16:33 liliputech_asu qasim -> https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ubuntu_-_packages
16:33 liliputech_asu qasim: however, you were still right, it's written in there that you should use --create-db option :)
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16:37 qasim <3
16:39 liliputech_asu
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17:27 liliputech_asu evening koha :)
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18:04 tcohen ashimema:
18:04 tcohen around?
18:04 tcohen !bang
18:04 AnnaBoten There is no hunt right now! You can start a hunt with the 'start' command
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19:30 oleonard Too many unfinished projects
19:36 wizzyrea oh boy yeah.
19:37 oleonard Doesn't help that I have a touch of the goldfish-brain
19:57 oleonard See y'all later
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21:12 wizzyrea @later tell eythian remember when you gave me that zine/comic on strace. I use that knowledge like every day now.
21:12 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
21:12 wizzyrea @later tell eythian so thank you
21:12 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
21:18 corilynn Bug 24196 makes me sad :(
21:18 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=24196 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Advanced editor - Save silently fails on session timeout
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