IRC log for #koha, 2016-05-11

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04:19 wizzyrea @later tell nengard did you know all of the images/screenshots are broken in the 3.22 manual? Thanks for having a look.
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06:38 * magnuse waves
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06:53 reiveune hello
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06:59 alex_a bonjour
07:00 magnuse spring in norway:
07:17 sophie_m1 cool magnuse :) blue sky and sun ;)
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07:45 magnuse sophie_m1: hehe, yeah, there is that at least :-)
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10:45 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16496: Add test <[…]9477ba3fe253f3980> / Bug 16496 - accountlines.issue_id not set when new overdue is processed <[…]25eec903150ce8a3f>
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11:48 oleonard Hi all
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11:51 druthb Hi, oleonard. :)
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12:18 oleonard Good morning, waking-up people.
12:20 nengard hehe
12:21 nengard morning
12:26 magnuse kia ora usa!
12:32 druthb kia ora magnuse.
12:32 druthb :)
12:32 * druthb waves to the west, to nengard.
12:33 nengard hola
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12:34 magnuse hola druthb nengard tcohen
12:34 oleonard It'd be cool to see a map showing the location of everyone logged in to #koha
12:35 tcohen hallo magnuse
12:35 tcohen oleonard: wherE?
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12:37 oleonard tcohen: I'm just imagining.
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12:44 tcohen I like it, i'm trying to imagine where could we put it
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13:10 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13871: [QA Follow-up] Fix small regression on AF with branchcode in Patron Info... <[…]983c80073e19ac794>
13:15 magnuse abot that could get the list of logged in users + some list of nicks and locations + some mapping API?
13:17 oleonard It sounds fun, but I can't in good conscience propose devoting work hours to such a project while Bug 15794 sits idle.
13:17 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15794 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, NEW , Allow the use of emojis as tags on records
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13:31 magnuse oleonard: yeah, there is that
13:31 nengard @later tell wizzyrea I'm having larryb check on manual images
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14:34 kidclamp hi #koha
14:37 tcohen hi kidclamp
14:38 kidclamp hiya tcohen
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14:42 tcohen hi, smuxi died with no reason: awesome!
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14:51 oleonard khall around?
14:51 khall yo
14:51 oleonard Hi I just noticed that Koha's help page for offline circ points to sourceforge for your KOC windows application. Should that be updated to point to the github page?
14:52 khall yeah, I think that would be prudent. good catch!
14:58 oleonard Now that I think about it I'm not sure how to submit a correction to the help files. Is the manual the canonical source for the help files?
14:59 tcohen oh nasty bug
14:59 tcohen is anyone using the -x option switch in
15:00 magnuse oleonard: there was some talk about that, but i think they are more or less separate - nengard would know
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15:01 magnuse if the manual says sourceforge that should be fixed too
15:01 nengard oleonard basically I copy from the manual to the help files
15:02 nengard so it's probable that I didn't update that help file the last release or that the manual is wrong
15:02 nengard I don't think I did a help file update for 3.22 ....
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15:03 oleonard Looks like it's correct in the manual nengard
15:03 nengard so I missed a help file :)
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15:04 tcohen @seen gmcharlt
15:04 huginn tcohen: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 6 days, 17 hours, 17 minutes, and 1 second ago: <gmcharlt> cait++
15:09 nengard oleonard can you think of a way we could add an icon to show for the opac shortcut on mobile devices? We'd have to add something to the <head> code - is that possible?
15:10 oleonard I know it's possible, and I've done it for iOS devices. I don't know what the right cross-platform solution is but it'd be easy to find out.
15:10 oleonard nengard: Is there already a bug for that? Sounds familiar.
15:10 nengard not sure didn't search
15:11 nengard just went right to the expert ;)
15:11 oleonard Bug 8305
15:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8305 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Use apple-touch-icon for pretty bookmark icons
15:14 pastebot "oleonard" at pasted "Yeah that's not verbose at all" (18 lines) at
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15:20 nengard thanks oleonard
15:34 nengard @later tell wizzyrea the manual images are fixed
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15:44 pastebot "oleonard" at pasted "Previous paste was not verbose enough" (18 lines) at
15:46 oleonard So if we really wanted to do the job right, we would have to generate 15 different versions of any custom icon image the user selected
16:14 nengard yes oleonard we would ....
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16:24 oleonard We still need more opinions on Bug 16400. Please take a look and comment if you can.
16:24 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16400 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Proposal to uniform the placement of submit buttons
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18:30 JesseDhammu Hey, i have imported some Marc records into koha for testing .
18:30 JesseDhammu but when i deleted these records from database, and run the reindexing of Zebra , the records are still showing in the search result of opac and admin screen.
18:31 JesseDhammu but when i click on particular record to open it. it shows 404 error
18:31 JesseDhammu i want to get rid of these search results.
18:31 JesseDhammu please help,
18:31 magnuse that means the inex has not been updated
18:31 magnuse how do you run the reindexing?
18:32 magnuse and how did you install koha? from debian packages?
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18:34 Jesse_Dhammu i tried clearing the temporary cache folder from Mysql database also
18:36 oleonard Jesse_Dhammu: Did you see magnuse's questions to you?
18:36 Jesse_Dhammu ya i answerd that
18:36 Jesse_Dhammu I have installed Koha using debian package. and im using it on ubuntu
18:37 oleonard Are you using these commands? https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ges#Zebra-related
18:38 Jesse_Dhammu the command i used to rebuild zebra indexes is sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f <my koha instance name>
18:39 Jesse_Dhammu Oleonard: i did that
18:39 Jesse_Dhammu but no help
18:39 Jesse_Dhammu situation is still the same
18:40 Jesse_Dhammu can anyone please help with creating the indexing again..
18:40 Jesse_Dhammu there is no other help i can find on koha wiki
18:51 Jesse_Dhammu hay latest news, i tried rebuilding the zebra indexes, using command "sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -r <koha instance name>
18:54 Jesse_Dhammu and it says that something went wrong. while rebuilding biblio indexes
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19:02 Jesse_Dhammu hay
19:02 Jesse_Dhammu can anyone help please
19:02 Jesse_Dhammu this is a major issue and i have reinstalled koha several times just because of this issue
19:11 mtj Jesse_Dhammu:   koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f <my koha instance name>
19:11 Jesse_Dhammu does not work
19:11 mtj ^.. that should work
19:11 Jesse_Dhammu tried 1001 times
19:13 eythian Jesse_Dhammu: you should give it a go as mtj says and put the output in a pastebin
19:14 tcohen Jesse_Dhammu: try
19:14 tcohen sudo koha-shell <instance>
19:14 tcohen then
19:14 tcohen /usr/share/koha/bin/migrat​ion_tools/ -r -v -b
19:14 tcohen maybe you will have more feedback
19:15 Jesse_Dhammu ok check this out
19:17 Jesse_Dhammu I guess the koha search engine itself is not working
19:18 Jesse_Dhammu coz even if i give the command to stop it, it doesnt show any error msg in koha search screen
19:18 mtj hiya eythian, tcohen
19:18 tcohen /usr/share/koha/bin/migrat​ion_tools/ -r -v -v -b
19:18 tcohen add one -v
19:18 tcohen that doesn't look right
19:18 tcohen hi mtj eythian
19:18 mtj Jesse_Dhammu:  i think zebra is ok, but you have some other problem?
19:18 mtj the 404 is not a zebra/search problem
19:19 Jesse_Dhammu but why is it showoing the records in search results. i checked the database, they dont exist there as well
19:20 mtj hmm, thats pretty weird
19:20 eythian hi mtj, tcohen :)
19:21 mtj Jesse_Dhammu: that situation i would make a new koha instance, and test with that
19:21 eythian Jesse_Dhammu: do you happen to have more than one instance?
19:21 eythian sudo koha-list will tell you
19:21 eythian (not inconceivable you're seeing one instance while trying to fix a different one.)
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19:22 mtj yes perhaps ^
19:22 Jesse_Dhammu eythian: No i have only one instance.
19:22 Jesse_Dhammu and this problem happens everytime i delete bulk records,
19:22 Jesse_Dhammu and i have resitalled the entire setup almost 100 times in last 2 months .
19:22 Jesse_Dhammu just because of this stupid problem
19:23 Jesse_Dhammu and i am thinking to give up on koha,
19:23 tcohen Jesse_Dhammu: what Koha version?
19:23 Jesse_Dhammu i thought it will be good, and infact it was, but this search indexing is stupid as shit
19:23 eythian I'd delete the indices manually, they're in /var/lib/koha/library/...soemthing I forget now
19:24 eythian delete them, do a sudo koha-common restart
19:24 tcohen biblios/registers
19:24 eythian just biblios
19:24 eythian nuke it from orbit sort of thing
19:24 tcohen Jesse_Dhammu: what version?
19:24 eythian after the restart, see what a search returns
19:25 Jesse_Dhammu restart makes no efect.
19:25 Jesse_Dhammu it gives the same output as before
19:25 eythian you deleted the indexes, did the koha-common restart, and it's showing the same results?
19:25 eythian because that is not a possible result
19:26 tcohen Jesse_Dhammu: if you manually delete Zebra's indexes files, it cannot give you results
19:26 tcohen unless you are in Koha 2.2.x and there's no Zebra indexing
19:26 eythian the package tools don't exist in 2.2.x :)
19:26 Jesse_Dhammu no my koha version is the latest one
19:27 Jesse_Dhammu the one which is now available as debian package repository
19:27 tcohen eythian: i've seen people grabbing them from master........
19:27 tcohen seriously
19:27 eythian tcohen: wut.
19:27 tcohen Jesse_Dhammu: have you identified the files eythian suggests you deletE?
19:27 tcohen what is the directory?
19:27 tcohen (in your setup)
19:28 eythian if you delete the indexes, and the search is still returning results, there are two options: a) you're logged in to the wrong server, b) you have multiple instances and have been using the wrong one.
19:28 Jesse_Dhammu its 3.22
19:28 Jesse_Dhammu both of them are wroing
19:28 Jesse_Dhammu wrong
19:28 Jesse_Dhammu i have only one server
19:29 Jesse_Dhammu and that one serve has only one instance
19:30 eythian just confirm: you deleted /var/lib/koha/library/biblios and all subdirs of that?
19:30 eythian and search is still providing results?
19:31 eythian tcohen: ES didn't slip into 3.22 perchance? :)
19:31 Jesse_Dhammu i did not delete any file or folder manually
19:31 tcohen hehe
19:31 tcohen exactly
19:31 Jesse_Dhammu $ sudo zebraidx -c /etc/koha/sites/YOURLIBRARY​/zebra-authorities-dom.cfg  -g iso2709 -d authorities init
19:31 Jesse_Dhammu $ sudo zebraidx -c /etc/koha/sites/YOURLIBRARY/zebra-biblios.cfg  -g iso2709 -d biblios init
19:32 eythian delete them manually.
19:33 tcohen also, taht sudo commands must be breaking all permissions
19:33 tcohen Jesse_Dhammu: you should run such things inside koha-shell
19:33 eythian yep
19:33 Jesse_Dhammu ok ,, but now what ..??
19:33 eythian <eythian> delete them manually.
19:34 Jesse_Dhammu what do i do, thanfully this is a test server, but what if these kind of creepy problems occor on a production server ..??
19:34 * tcohen found a funny bug on indexing stuff BTW
19:35 eythian Jesse_Dhammu: these problems shouldn't occur, usually they're they result of doing something wrong. Always use the koha-* commands to manage things, and if you need to it's perfectly fine to delete indexes and rebuild them.
19:36 Jesse_Dhammu i needed to delete those coz i wanted to remove some of the records from my database.
19:36 Jesse_Dhammu ok
19:36 eythian as soon as you use zebraidx yourself, you risk breaking permissions
19:36 eythian in all situations I've seen where the index stops updating, it's most often because someone has broken permissions.
19:37 * eythian suggest someone puts an automatic detector/fixer into the init script for that case.
19:37 Jesse_Dhammu ok so how to avoid that , using koha-rebuild-zebra without sudo ..??
19:37 Jesse_Dhammu will it be ok ..?
19:37 eythian nono, using koha-* tools with sudo is fine
19:37 eythian but using zebraidx with sudo is not
19:38 eythian the koha-* commands know how to set the permissions correctly
19:38 Jesse_Dhammu hmmm ok
19:38 Jesse_Dhammu help me with one more thing.. suppose i have imported some records using MARC Sgagging
19:38 tcohen later #koha
19:39 Jesse_Dhammu and now i want to completely flush my database, i want to delete entire records,
19:39 Jesse_Dhammu how do i do that ..??
19:39 Jesse_Dhammu what is the proper way..??
19:39 eythian I'm not sure, I haven't done stuff with staging records in a while. I thought there was a cleanup option somewhere in the interface though
19:39 eythian bye tcohen
19:40 tcohen Jesse_Dhammu: there's the option to undo imports
19:40 * eythian returns to packing - off to Leipzig tomorrow
19:40 Jesse_Dhammu that doesnt work
19:41 tcohen Jesse_Dhammu: I'd suggest that you ask that specfic question on the list
19:41 cait eythian: ah, not going back home before berlin?
19:41 tcohen very experienced people are there
19:41 Jesse_Dhammu even if i clear the import from staged record management windows, they still keep appearing in saearch
19:41 eythian I am, for a few days
19:41 cait ah ok
19:41 cait so we still got a chance to figure out where to meet :)
19:42 tcohen Jesse_Dhammu: you are still talking about your struggle with indexes
19:42 eythian I should add my kohacon travel stuff to the wiki
19:42 cait are you still available for sight seeing on monday in berlin? :)
19:42 tcohen don't mix deleting records / appear on searches
19:42 Jesse_Dhammu yes tcohen: coz this is where the problem lies..
19:42 Jesse_Dhammu i am working on a development server, many times i need to delete the old records and then upload the new ones.
19:43 Jesse_Dhammu i can not perform my R&D unless i have a clean workspace in koha.
19:44 eythian cait: I arrive on Sunday, so yeah :)
19:45 cait i arrive monday... :)
19:47 eythian what time?
19:49 cait i will drop you an email with the info
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20:54 cait anyone around for the meeting?
20:55 kidclamp hm...I could be now that I know :-)
20:56 rangi  <--- how cool is this!!!
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20:57 pianohacker hi cait
20:59 cait would someone be willing to take over chairing th emeeting?
20:59 cait i might fall asleep
21:00 cait all the volunteers... :)
21:01 rangi is there anyone to meet with?
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21:03 cait i think no meeting tonight
21:03 cait people already seem asleep
21:03 rangi yeah
21:11 kidclamp sorry pals
21:14 cait night all
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21:27 eythian rangi: sweet video
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21:32 rangi oh look its a reed
21:32 rangi eythian: yeah it's pretty neat
21:33 eythian A wild reed appears!
21:33 reed_ hey!
21:34 reed_ just wandered by
21:34 reed_ in case Koha port to python or go is ready
21:34 reed_ I've got some spare time
21:34 eythian It ended up being Java if that's OK
21:34 reed_ bluuh
21:36 rangi hehe
21:39 rangi how's retirement going reed?
22:10 wizzyrea reed!
22:12 wizzyrea @later tell nengard thanks ever so much
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22:56 reed_ rangi, wizzyrea -- retirement is busier than I had thought it might be
22:57 rangi :)
22:57 reed_ got to run -- will hunt you all down for lunch soon
22:57 wizzyrea :D
22:57 rangi do that
22:57 wizzyrea Please do!
22:57 reed_ laters
22:57 wizzyrea byeeee
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