Time  Nick         Message
04:19 wizzyrea     @later tell nengard did you know all of the images/screenshots are broken in the 3.22 manual? Thanks for having a look.
04:19 huginn       wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
06:38 * magnuse    waves
06:53 reiveune     hello
06:59 alex_a       bonjour
07:00 magnuse      spring in norway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPxAvHdrK6U
07:17 sophie_m1    cool magnuse :) blue sky and sun ;)
07:45 magnuse      sophie_m1: hehe, yeah, there is that at least :-)
10:45 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16496: Add test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5cf8bfb360d577c3cb3bd149477ba3fe253f3980> / Bug 16496 - accountlines.issue_id not set when new overdue is processed <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b79107a49a549c47218711d25eec903150ce8a3f>
11:48 oleonard     Hi all
11:51 druthb       Hi, oleonard. :)
12:18 oleonard     Good morning, waking-up people.
12:20 nengard      hehe
12:21 nengard      morning
12:26 magnuse      kia ora usa!
12:32 druthb       kia ora magnuse.
12:32 druthb       :)
12:32 * druthb     waves to the west, to nengard.
12:33 nengard      hola
12:34 magnuse      hola druthb nengard tcohen
12:34 oleonard     It'd be cool to see a map showing the location of everyone logged in to #koha
12:35 tcohen       hallo magnuse
12:35 tcohen       oleonard: wherE?
12:37 oleonard     tcohen: I'm just imagining.
12:44 tcohen       I like it, i'm trying to imagine where could we put it
13:10 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13871: [QA Follow-up] Fix small regression on AF with branchcode in Patron Info... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c2ddc19600c70bcdc87cd64983c80073e19ac794>
13:15 magnuse      abot that could get the list of logged in users + some list of nicks and locations + some mapping API?
13:17 oleonard     It sounds fun, but I can't in good conscience propose devoting work hours to such a project while Bug 15794 sits idle.
13:17 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15794 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, NEW , Allow the use of emojis as tags on records
13:31 magnuse      oleonard: yeah, there is that
13:31 nengard      @later tell wizzyrea I'm having larryb check on manual images
13:31 huginn       nengard: The operation succeeded.
14:34 kidclamp     hi #koha
14:37 tcohen       hi kidclamp
14:38 kidclamp     hiya tcohen
14:42 tcohen       hi, smuxi died with no reason: awesome!
14:51 oleonard     khall around?
14:51 khall        yo
14:51 oleonard     Hi I just noticed that Koha's help page for offline circ points to sourceforge for your KOC windows application. Should that be updated to point to the github page?
14:52 khall        yeah, I think that would be prudent. good catch!
14:58 oleonard     Now that I think about it I'm not sure how to submit a correction to the help files. Is the manual the canonical source for the help files?
14:59 tcohen       oh nasty bug
14:59 tcohen       is anyone using the -x option switch in rebuild_zebra.pl?
15:00 magnuse      oleonard: there was some talk about that, but i think they are more or less separate - nengard would know
15:01 magnuse      if the manual says sourceforge that should be fixed too
15:01 nengard      oleonard basically I copy from the manual to the help files
15:02 nengard      so it's probable that I didn't update that help file the last release or that the manual is wrong
15:02 nengard      I don't think I did a help file update for 3.22 ....
15:03 oleonard     Looks like it's correct in the manual nengard
15:03 nengard      so I missed a help file :)
15:04 reiveune     bye
15:04 tcohen       @seen gmcharlt
15:04 huginn       tcohen: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 6 days, 17 hours, 17 minutes, and 1 second ago: <gmcharlt> cait++
15:09 nengard      oleonard can you think of a way we could add an icon to show for the opac shortcut on mobile devices? We'd have to add something to the <head> code - is that possible?
15:10 oleonard     I know it's possible, and I've done it for iOS devices. I don't know what the right cross-platform solution is but it'd be easy to find out.
15:10 oleonard     nengard: Is there already a bug for that? Sounds familiar.
15:10 nengard      not sure didn't search
15:11 nengard      just went right to the expert ;)
15:11 oleonard     Bug 8305
15:11 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8305 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Use apple-touch-icon for pretty bookmark icons
15:14 pastebot     "oleonard" at pasted "Yeah that's not verbose at all" (18 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/447
15:20 nengard      thanks oleonard
15:34 nengard      @later tell wizzyrea the manual images are fixed
15:34 huginn       nengard: The operation succeeded.
15:44 pastebot     "oleonard" at pasted "Previous paste was not verbose enough" (18 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/448
15:46 oleonard     So if we really wanted to do the job right, we would have to generate 15 different versions of any custom icon image the user selected
16:14 nengard      yes oleonard we would ....
16:24 oleonard     We still need more opinions on Bug 16400. Please take a look and comment if you can.
16:24 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16400 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Proposal to uniform the placement of submit buttons
18:30 JesseDhammu  Hey, i have imported some Marc records into koha for testing .
18:30 JesseDhammu  but when i deleted these records from database, and run the reindexing of Zebra , the records are still showing in the search result of opac and admin screen.
18:31 JesseDhammu  but when i click on particular record to open it. it shows 404 error
18:31 JesseDhammu  i want to get rid of these search results.
18:31 JesseDhammu  please help,
18:31 magnuse      that means the inex has not been updated
18:31 magnuse      how do you run the reindexing?
18:32 magnuse      and how did you install koha? from debian packages?
18:34 Jesse_Dhammu i tried clearing the temporary cache folder from Mysql database also
18:36 oleonard     Jesse_Dhammu: Did you see magnuse's questions to you?
18:36 Jesse_Dhammu ya i answerd that
18:36 Jesse_Dhammu I have installed Koha using debian package. and im using it on ubuntu
18:37 oleonard     Are you using these commands? https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages#Zebra-related
18:38 Jesse_Dhammu the command i used to rebuild zebra indexes is sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f <my koha instance name>
18:39 Jesse_Dhammu Oleonard: i did that
18:39 Jesse_Dhammu but no help
18:39 Jesse_Dhammu situation is still the same
18:40 Jesse_Dhammu can anyone please help with creating the indexing again..
18:40 Jesse_Dhammu there is no other help i can find on koha wiki
18:51 Jesse_Dhammu hay latest news, i tried rebuilding the zebra indexes, using command "sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -r <koha instance name>
18:54 Jesse_Dhammu and it says that something went wrong. while rebuilding biblio indexes
19:02 Jesse_Dhammu hay
19:02 Jesse_Dhammu can anyone help please
19:02 Jesse_Dhammu this is a major issue and i have reinstalled koha several times just because of this issue
19:11 mtj          Jesse_Dhammu:   koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f <my koha instance name>
19:11 Jesse_Dhammu does not work
19:11 mtj          ^.. that should work
19:11 Jesse_Dhammu tried 1001 times
19:13 eythian      Jesse_Dhammu: you should give it a go as mtj says and put the output in a pastebin
19:14 tcohen       Jesse_Dhammu: try
19:14 tcohen       sudo koha-shell <instance>
19:14 tcohen       then
19:14 tcohen       /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -r -v -b
19:14 tcohen       maybe you will have more feedback
19:15 Jesse_Dhammu ok check this out http://pastebin.com/DgQPqm8J
19:17 Jesse_Dhammu I guess the koha search engine itself is not working
19:18 Jesse_Dhammu coz even if i give the command to stop it, it doesnt show any error msg in koha search screen
19:18 mtj          hiya eythian, tcohen
19:18 tcohen       /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -r -v -v -b
19:18 tcohen       add one -v
19:18 tcohen       that doesn't look right
19:18 tcohen       hi mtj eythian
19:18 mtj          Jesse_Dhammu:  i think zebra is ok, but you have some other problem?
19:18 mtj          the 404 is not a zebra/search problem
19:19 Jesse_Dhammu but why is it showoing the records in search results. i checked the database, they dont exist there as well
19:20 mtj          hmm, thats pretty weird
19:20 eythian      hi mtj, tcohen :)
19:21 mtj          Jesse_Dhammu:  ..in that situation i would make a new koha instance, and test with that
19:21 eythian      Jesse_Dhammu: do you happen to have more than one instance?
19:21 eythian      sudo koha-list will tell you
19:21 eythian      (not inconceivable you're seeing one instance while trying to fix a different one.)
19:22 mtj          yes perhaps ^
19:22 Jesse_Dhammu eythian: No i have only one instance.
19:22 Jesse_Dhammu and this problem happens everytime i delete bulk records,
19:22 Jesse_Dhammu and i have resitalled the entire setup almost 100 times in last 2 months .
19:22 Jesse_Dhammu just because of this stupid problem
19:23 Jesse_Dhammu and i am thinking to give up on koha,
19:23 tcohen       Jesse_Dhammu: what Koha version?
19:23 Jesse_Dhammu i thought it will be good, and infact it was, but this search indexing is stupid as shit
19:23 eythian      I'd delete the indices manually, they're in /var/lib/koha/library/...soemthing I forget now
19:24 eythian      delete them, do a sudo koha-common restart
19:24 tcohen       biblios/registers
19:24 eythian      just biblios
19:24 eythian      nuke it from orbit sort of thing
19:24 tcohen       Jesse_Dhammu: what version?
19:24 eythian      after the restart, see what a search returns
19:25 Jesse_Dhammu restart makes no efect.
19:25 Jesse_Dhammu it gives the same output as before
19:25 eythian      you deleted the indexes, did the koha-common restart, and it's showing the same results?
19:25 eythian      because that is not a possible result
19:26 tcohen       Jesse_Dhammu: if you manually delete Zebra's indexes files, it cannot give you results
19:26 tcohen       unless you are in Koha 2.2.x and there's no Zebra indexing
19:26 eythian      the package tools don't exist in 2.2.x :)
19:26 Jesse_Dhammu no my koha version is the latest one
19:27 Jesse_Dhammu the one which is now available as debian package repository
19:27 tcohen       eythian: i've seen people grabbing them from master........
19:27 tcohen       seriously
19:27 eythian      tcohen: wut.
19:27 tcohen       Jesse_Dhammu: have you identified the files eythian suggests you deletE?
19:27 tcohen       what is the directory?
19:27 tcohen       (in your setup)
19:28 eythian      if you delete the indexes, and the search is still returning results, there are two options: a) you're logged in to the wrong server, b) you have multiple instances and have been using the wrong one.
19:28 Jesse_Dhammu its 3.22
19:28 Jesse_Dhammu both of them are wroing
19:28 Jesse_Dhammu wrong
19:28 Jesse_Dhammu i have only one server
19:29 Jesse_Dhammu and that one serve has only one instance
19:30 eythian      just confirm: you deleted /var/lib/koha/library/biblios and all subdirs of that?
19:30 eythian      and search is still providing results?
19:31 eythian      tcohen: ES didn't slip into 3.22 perchance? :)
19:31 Jesse_Dhammu i did not delete any file or folder manually
19:31 tcohen       hehe
19:31 tcohen       exactly
19:31 Jesse_Dhammu $ sudo zebraidx -c /etc/koha/sites/YOURLIBRARY/zebra-authorities-dom.cfg  -g iso2709 -d authorities init
19:31 Jesse_Dhammu $ sudo zebraidx -c /etc/koha/sites/YOURLIBRARY/zebra-biblios.cfg  -g iso2709 -d biblios init
19:32 eythian      delete them manually.
19:33 tcohen       also, taht sudo commands must be breaking all permissions
19:33 tcohen       Jesse_Dhammu: you should run such things inside koha-shell
19:33 eythian      yep
19:33 Jesse_Dhammu ok ,, but now what ..??
19:33 eythian      <eythian> delete them manually.
19:34 Jesse_Dhammu what do i do, thanfully this is a test server, but what if these kind of creepy problems occor on a production server ..??
19:34 * tcohen     found a funny bug on indexing stuff BTW
19:35 eythian      Jesse_Dhammu: these problems shouldn't occur, usually they're they result of doing something wrong. Always use the koha-* commands to manage things, and if you need to it's perfectly fine to delete indexes and rebuild them.
19:36 Jesse_Dhammu i needed to delete those coz i wanted to remove some of the records from my database.
19:36 Jesse_Dhammu ok
19:36 eythian      as soon as you use zebraidx yourself, you risk breaking permissions
19:36 eythian      in all situations I've seen where the index stops updating, it's most often because someone has broken permissions.
19:37 * eythian    suggest someone puts an automatic detector/fixer into the init script for that case.
19:37 Jesse_Dhammu ok so how to avoid that , using koha-rebuild-zebra without sudo ..??
19:37 Jesse_Dhammu will it be ok ..?
19:37 eythian      nono, using koha-* tools with sudo is fine
19:37 eythian      but using zebraidx with sudo is not
19:38 eythian      the koha-* commands know how to set the permissions correctly
19:38 Jesse_Dhammu hmmm ok
19:38 Jesse_Dhammu help me with one more thing.. suppose i have imported some records using MARC Sgagging
19:38 tcohen       later #koha
19:39 Jesse_Dhammu and now i want to completely flush my database, i want to delete entire records,
19:39 Jesse_Dhammu how do i do that ..??
19:39 Jesse_Dhammu what is the proper way..??
19:39 eythian      I'm not sure, I haven't done stuff with staging records in a while. I thought there was a cleanup option somewhere in the interface though
19:39 eythian      bye tcohen
19:40 tcohen       Jesse_Dhammu: there's the option to undo imports
19:40 * eythian    returns to packing - off to Leipzig tomorrow
19:40 Jesse_Dhammu that doesnt work
19:41 tcohen       Jesse_Dhammu: I'd suggest that you ask that specfic question on the list
19:41 cait         eythian: ah, not going back home before berlin?
19:41 tcohen       very experienced people are there
19:41 Jesse_Dhammu even if i clear the import from staged record management windows, they still keep appearing in saearch
19:41 eythian      I am, for a few days
19:41 cait         ah ok
19:41 cait         so we still got a chance to figure out where to meet :)
19:42 tcohen       Jesse_Dhammu: you are still talking about your struggle with indexes
19:42 eythian      I should add my kohacon travel stuff to the wiki
19:42 cait         are you still available for sight seeing on monday in berlin? :)
19:42 tcohen       don't mix deleting records / appear on searches
19:42 Jesse_Dhammu yes tcohen: coz this is where the problem lies..
19:42 Jesse_Dhammu i am working on a development server, many times i need to delete the old records and then upload the new ones.
19:43 Jesse_Dhammu i can not perform my R&D unless i have a clean workspace in koha.
19:44 eythian      cait: I arrive on Sunday, so yeah :)
19:45 cait         i arrive monday... :)
19:47 eythian      what time?
19:49 cait         i will drop you an email with the info
20:54 cait         anyone around for the meeting?
20:55 kidclamp     hm...I could be now that I know :-)
20:56 rangi        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHdA7UXjImY  <--- how cool is this!!!
20:57 pianohacker  hi cait
20:59 cait         would someone be willing to take over chairing th emeeting?
20:59 cait         i might fall asleep
21:00 cait         all the volunteers... :)
21:01 rangi        is there anyone to meet with?
21:03 cait         i think no meeting tonight
21:03 cait         people already seem asleep
21:03 rangi        yeah
21:11 kidclamp     sorry pals
21:14 cait         night all
21:27 eythian      rangi: sweet video
21:32 rangi        oh look its a reed
21:32 rangi        eythian: yeah it's pretty neat
21:33 eythian      A wild reed appears!
21:33 reed_        hey!
21:34 reed_        just wandered by
21:34 reed_        in case Koha port to python or go is ready
21:34 reed_        I've got some spare time
21:34 eythian      It ended up being Java if that's OK
21:34 reed_        bluuh
21:36 rangi        hehe
21:39 rangi        how's retirement going reed?
22:10 wizzyrea     reed!
22:12 wizzyrea     @later tell nengard thanks ever so much
22:12 huginn       wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
22:56 reed_        rangi, wizzyrea -- retirement is busier than I had thought it might be
22:57 rangi        :)
22:57 reed_        got to run -- will hunt you all down for lunch soon
22:57 wizzyrea     :D
22:57 rangi        do that
22:57 wizzyrea     Please do!
22:57 reed_        laters
22:57 wizzyrea     byeeee