IRC log for #koha, 2015-11-25

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00:00 wizzyrea I should scrounge up something to eat.
00:00 dcook Mmm food
00:00 dcook That is a great idea
00:05 dcook Hmm, I think my Kohas are too old for the WYSIWYG
00:06 dcook And the way we implemented it locally wasn't as good as the way we ended up doing it in 3.22
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07:12 * magnuse waves
07:13 magnuse podcast with larry wall:[…]5?autostart=false
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07:15 magnuse podcast about bix::class with ribasushi:[…]3?autostart=false
07:18 magnuse s/bix/dbix/
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07:37 reiveune hello
07:37 wahanui hey, reiveune
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07:59 alex_a bonjour
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08:01 Joubu hello #koha
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08:18 gaetan_B hello
08:18 wahanui hi, gaetan_B
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09:42 Francesca home at last
09:43 Francesca @wunder wlg
09:43 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (10:30 PM NZDT on November 25, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
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10:06 xarragon Hello guys, i talked to pianohacker yesterday about finding items based on a MARC record returned by SimpleSearch.
10:07 xarragon Apparently Zebra is supposed to add 9xx tags indicating the biblios, are these viewable using SRU and/or the internal MARC viewer?
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10:15 vfernandes Hi :)
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10:15 vfernandes Koha 3.22 is now fully translated to Portuguese -
10:16 vfernandes How can I add the Koha manual translation on the Portuguese project?
10:17 magnuse vfernandes++
10:18 magnuse xarragon: i thought the biblionumber was always stored in 999$d or something like that
10:19 magnuse @marc 999
10:19 huginn magnuse: unknown tag 999
10:21 xarragon magnuse: Ah ok, that one I have..
10:21 xarragon magnuse: I think he mentioned 95x which I did not have. 999 has two subfields which might be item numbers for this test book
10:22 xarragon My zebra is a bit b0rk at the moment, which I am trying to to debug..
10:22 magnuse nah, 999 c and d should hold the biblionumber, not itemnumbers
10:23 magnuse they should always be the same, i think
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10:25 xarragon magnuse: Hmm, ok.. But it looks like what I need. I'll have to doublecheck.
10:25 xarragon My test database is a bit meager so it could be fooling me
10:30 magnuse hm, shouldn't it be possible to increase the verbosity of with -v -v ?
10:33 xarragon Ah, right... that's my problem
10:33 xarragon I was trying to call the zebraidx directly I belive, and it flat out refused to read the config file specified via -c, fatally terminating..
10:36 xarragon magnuse++
10:37 * cait waves a quick hello
10:37 magnuse hello cait
10:41 cait fridolin: around?
10:41 fridolin cait: yep i am
10:42 fridolin wats up ?
10:42 cait i have a patch that needs to a unimarc tester :)
10:43 cait bug 14636
10:43 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14636 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Sorting and searching by publication year in item search doesn't work correctly
10:43 fridolin cait: with plaisur
10:43 cait :) that's nice thank you :)
10:43 cait it shouldn't take long
10:44 fridolin cait: yep I try to do I today
10:46 magnuse gah. a full reindex with just hangs after counting up to 801. -v -v gives no more info. also seems to hang at the same place. anyone got any ideas?
10:46 cait hm a broken record... but you don't have more information?
10:51 magnuse nope
10:52 magnuse i found and made it not complain about my normarc setup, but it did not find any records to complain about
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11:03 xarragon Regarding biblio, biblioitems and items. Is it fair to say biblio holds mostly bibliographic info from the MARC records, items holds mostly item-related info and biblioitems sort of straddles the two?
11:04 xarragon Or do you have a better summary of the contents of each?
11:04 xarragon Mostly just trying to remember it properly for once
11:04 jajm wizzyrea, fredericd, do you think we can backport bug 11190 to 3.20 and 3.18 ? i know this is a "new feature", but it could be very useful imo
11:04 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11190 new feature, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , -- Generate a catalog sitemap
11:05 magnuse i'd say items is for item info, biblio and biblioitems should be one table (with bibliographic level data)
11:05 magnuse xarragon ^
11:05 xarragon Yeah I just realized  biblioitems is the one that holds the marcxml
11:06 magnuse yeah, there is a history of why biblio and biblioitems are separate, but i think the consensus today is that they should be merged at some point
11:07 xarragon And bibliographic level data is just the pure abstract description of a work of literature, right? No matter if it is an ebook, physical paperback or tattooed on someones back?
11:08 magnuse lol
11:08 magnuse not *that* abstract, you'll have number of pages, isbn etc
11:09 magnuse so it's a mix of the abstract concept and a very concrete edition
11:09 magnuse google for "frbr" to find how library land is trying to break that apart ;-)
11:09 xarragon magnuse: Ok, thanks. Would be helpful to know the domain a bit better.
11:10 xarragon Not that I need it for this implementation I am doing, but I enjoy understanding why things look the way they do.
11:10 magnuse this is library tech - everything is muddied and mixed and miscellaneous
11:11 xarragon Well after trying to figure out how to manually use the yaz client I am kind of hardended.
11:12 xarragon That was just a cournocopia of magic numbers, @-signs and schemas that made no sense until you had gone through it all.
11:12 magnuse :-(
11:12 xarragon Well it was all pretty logical in the end.
11:13 magnuse it was? wow! ;-)
11:13 magnuse for some value of logical...
11:13 xarragon But at some point it was.. "Gaaah, I just want to manually perform a search and view the result!"
11:13 xarragon magnuse: Yes, this is how you descend into madness
11:14 xarragon Well, blah blah.. I have useful work to do.
11:17 vfernandes magnuse: How can I add the Koha manual translation?
11:19 magnuse vfernandes: not sure, maybe send an email to the translate list?
11:20 vfernandes ok... ;)
11:24 cait we need a sign-off on 15242 please
11:24 cait tiny fix
11:24 cait bad bug
11:24 cait bug 15242
11:24 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15242 blocker, P5 - low, ---, nick, Needs Signoff , Missing subroutine in
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11:30 ashimema he made the qa followups
11:30 ashimema community++
11:31 cait yep :)
11:31 cait now need a sign off :)
11:31 ashimema in a meeting at the minute.. but if it's not done by the time I get out I'll do it ;)
11:43 cait going to the super market - will be back later :)
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12:13 * fridolin found a drity bug on patrons search : Bug 15252
12:13 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15252 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , Patron search on start with does not work with several terms
12:20 Joubu fridolin: please provide tests
12:21 fridolin Joubu: there is a long test plan
12:21 fridolin inside patch as usuak
12:21 fridolin usual
12:21 Joubu but no tests :)
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12:28 fridolin Joubu: wat do you mean test ? UT ?
12:28 Joubu yes
12:29 fridolin ak oki
12:29 fridolin Joubu: I found the existing UT, i provide a patch
12:30 fridolin or if someone wants to do it, it wil be more pair programming :)
12:33 tcohen morning
12:33 tcohen wb Joubu
12:33 Joubu hi tcohen
12:37 Joubu fridolin: why do you remove the defined $var test in your second patch?
12:38 Joubu it will certainly introduced a warning in the log
12:38 Joubu -d
12:38 Joubu ok forget that
12:38 wahanui Joubu: I forgot that
12:38 fridolin Joubu: there is a default value set
12:39 fridolin UT failes indeed
12:44 fridolin ahahhhhhh UT seams wrong : surchtype = 'contains' instead of 'contain'
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12:58 tcohen Joubu: can u take a look at 15207 for QA?
12:58 tcohen I will release 3.22 once it is passed :-D
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13:03 fridolin Joubu: I've provided UT
13:03 fridolin your right its much better
13:03 fridolin l like UT
13:10 Joubu it's a mess...
13:11 Joubu 14205 is pushed to 3.20, so we need a separate patch for the stable version
13:11 Joubu I had to update the FK in a previous dbrev
13:11 Joubu the easier way is to remove the constraint and recreate it
13:12 Joubu it avoids the SHOW INDEXES stt
13:12 Joubu erk
13:12 magnuse bug 15207
13:12 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15207 major, P5 - low, ---, z.tajoli, Signed Off , Error on upgrade from 3.20.5 to 3.22 beta
13:12 magnuse bug 14205
13:12 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14205 major, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Deleting an Item/Record does not remove link to course reserve
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13:24 * cait waves
13:25 cait Joubu: are you qa'ing 15207? just saw your follow up :)
13:25 Joubu cait: I am trying, yes
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13:27 cait great :)
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14:26 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11431: (follow-up) Update database <[…]7eba44ca7d25cad9c>
14:28 cait ashimema: you can now qa - i sigend the patch off
14:28 ashimema :)
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14:44 mydsls hi
14:45 mydsls we have foolowing errors while upgrding 3.18.10 to 3.18.12
14:45 mydsls EV atomic update: hourlyloans.sql C4::Installer::load_sql returned the following errors while attempting to load /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-  bin/installer/data/mysql/atomicupdate/hourlyloans.sql: ERROR 1060 (42S21) at line 1: Duplicate column name 'lengthunit' DEV atomic update: oai_sets.sql C4::Installer::load_sql returned the following errors while attempting to load /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-  bin/installer/data/mysql/atomicupdate/oai_sets.sql: ERRO
14:45 mydsls can anyone help please
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14:46 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14298: Do not insert the permission if already exists. <[…]9d9439289a6f554c4>
14:46 mydsls sophia_m can you help me?
14:47 Joubu mydsls: it will be fixed in the next 3.18 version
14:47 Joubu it does not hurt
14:47 mydsls accepteble
14:47 mydsls ?
14:47 mydsls no to worry?
14:48 Joubu no, don't worry :)
14:48 Joubu it is fixed by commit 24613ec9a5c466504288dca6360d8e53f1cda278
14:48 mydsls thanks joubu
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15:38 Joubu tcohen: around?
15:38 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15242: Missing subroutine in <[…]992aaad9287ba5023> / Bug 15207: Avoid warnings when adding constraint course_reserves_ibfk_2 <[…]b827707d6a8f2731f>
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15:51 fridolin cait: I cant test Bug 14636 in UNIMARC, there is an error in template, see last note
15:51 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14636 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Sorting and searching by publication year in item search doesn't work correctly
15:51 cait i see
15:51 cait if you provide a follow up
15:51 cait i can test that
15:51 cait i have a unimarc installation i can update
15:51 cait i wondered, but didn't touch that bit - I had kind of a hard time to figure out how all the different files work together :)
15:52 cait fridolin^
15:52 cait so you could sing off my patches and i will sign off your follow-up
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16:01 fridolin cait: oki but the test plan needs my patch, how do we order it ?
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16:01 fridolin cait: do I have to test patches one by one or all once ?
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16:21 cait just put it in the end
16:21 cait we test them altogether usually
16:21 cait just call it 'follow-up' or something in the subject
16:24 cait fridolin: hm i think you need to change my patch now too
16:24 cait i check for 'publicationdate'
16:25 cait see here:[…]ment.cgi?id=45120
16:26 fridolin cait indeed
16:26 fridolin cait: to test can I test will all patches applyed ?
16:26 cait can you add that line to your follow-up?
16:26 fridolin even if i sign only a few of them
16:26 cait yep that's what i usually do - with all the ofllow-ups we do it make the most sense :)
16:27 fridolin I was not sure ;)
16:27 fridolin i repush
16:27 cait thx :)
16:27 cait i have updated my unimarc installatoin
16:28 cait just waiting for your patch now :)
16:29 fridolin here we goooooooooo
16:30 * fridolin happy to contribute to source code
16:31 cait i think unimarc users will be happy too :)
16:36 fridolin indeeeeed
16:36 fridolin cait: sorry i have to g
16:36 cait ok, i will test
16:36 fridolin go , I'll test tomorrow
16:36 cait ok
16:36 fridolin if needed ?
16:37 cait yeah i think missing yor sign off still :)
16:37 fridolin okii
16:37 fridolin see u tomorrow
16:38 fridolin bybyb
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16:38 cait hm
16:38 cait it does not work :(
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17:15 bag morning
17:19 cait morning bag
17:33 bag cait[…]94349113_12197591
17:33 bag OMG
17:33 bag pieincake
17:34 cait guess that goes ewll in a menu with turducken
17:35 bag yuppers ;)
17:46 cait barton: around?
17:48 cait barton: would you mind me creating a patch for bug 15250? i just tested - and you appear to be right with your notes and fix
17:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15250 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Software error: Can't locate object method "field" via package "aqorders.datereceived" in reports/
17:51 cait hm
17:51 cait i will attach a patch
17:52 barton thanks cait.
17:52 Joubu could someone please test to check an item out to a patron without specifying a due date?
17:52 Joubu I get "Please confirm checkout"
17:52 cait yep, i can
17:52 cait anything special about the item?
17:53 Joubu I don't think so
17:53 cait no confirmation for me
17:53 Joubu ok...
17:53 Joubu debug mode
17:56 cait you will find it :)
17:56 cait dinner time :) will be back
17:58 Joubu ok, I got an issuing rule with the hard due date in the past
17:58 cait ah
18:18 Joubu bye
18:18 gaetan_B bye
18:25 xarragon So this 999 tag in the MARC records, is there an official use for that field?
18:26 xarragon I am looking at, where it seems like 999c gets assigned.. some string with title/author/pubdate?
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18:28 xarragon Or is that all done with the XSLT magic in Zebra?
18:29 bag xarragon: are you using unimarc or marc21?
18:35 tcohen xarragon: 999$c is super important
18:36 tcohen the biblionumber is mapped there
18:37 tcohen and the record id used for indexing (zebra) is grabbed from there
18:37 tcohen look for biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml and you will understand
18:38 tcohen for authorities we use 001, but we should probably better stick to 99$c too
18:54 xarragon bag: It is marc21
18:55 bag yeah so what tcohen says above
18:55 bag 999$c is super important
18:55 wahanui i already had it that way, bag.
18:55 xarragon tcohen: Yeah, it's the biblionumber I am after. I am just wondering how 'reliable
18:55 xarragon 'reliable' it is; can I assume it will be there and always valid?
18:56 xarragon And thanks for confirming that it is added via the indexer and not in code, was grepping for '999' but came up with little
18:56 cait yes - otherwise zebra won't work and you got other problems :)
18:56 xarragon Ok, good enough for my needs
18:56 xarragon Thanks a lot everyone
18:56 cait xarragon: it's defined in the koha to marc mappings, so should not be in the code
18:56 cait unimarc uses 001
18:57 xarragon So as long as a I look at the type used (framwork code, right) I can use the field data then
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18:58 xarragon I noticed most functions that juggle marc data has a 'framework' parameter passed along
18:58 kirtybs12 Hey guys, i just installed koha on my ubuntu today
18:58 kirtybs12 but i am facing the software error
18:58 eythian Hi
18:59 xarragon If I need to extract that field, should I just use the MARC::Record on the XML or is there a better/faster wrapper in Koha itself?
18:59 kirtybs12 when i try to open up the koha login page at localhost
18:59 xarragon (extracting from the search results returned by Koha::SimpleSearch)
18:59 kirtybs12 furthermore I couldn't find my koha-conf.xml file where it was supposed to be
18:59 xarragon Hmm... wait I might actually get a nice readymade structure there
19:00 kirtybs12 can i get some help please, i have been looking all over around for help
19:01 wnickc how did you install kirtybs12
19:01 wnickc packages?
19:01 wahanui i think packages is at
19:01 kirtybs12 i installed as mentioned on the wipage
19:01 kirtybs12 wikipage
19:01 kirtybs12 via the packages
19:02 wnickc what error are you getting?
19:02 kirtybs12 the first couple of time i opened up the login page , it opened up, i couldn't login though
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19:03 wnickc and koha_conf is not at /etc/koha/sites/YOURSITENAME/koha-conf.xml?
19:03 wnickc you could try locate
19:04 kirtybs12 i am using windows right now so i can't exactly tell... but it was something like couldn't reference unblessed ...blah blah .. couple of errorr it shows on the login page
19:05 xarragon I know that error, stems from config not being found if I remeber correctly
19:05 kirtybs12 yeah
19:05 kirtybs12 and then i tried to upgrade schema
19:05 xarragon kirtybs12: Did it look like this?
19:05 kirtybs12 and it showed an error that koha-conf couldn't be found....
19:06 xarragon kirtybs12: "Can't call method "do" on unblessed reference at /var/koha/Koha/C4/"?
19:06 kirtybs12 yeah.... right like that... with a line number which was 793 i guess in my case'
19:06 xarragon[…]lopment_setup#Can.27t_call_method_.22do.22_on_unblessed_reference_a​t_.2Fvar.2Fkoha.2FKoha.2FC4.2FContext.pm_line_788.
19:06 xarragon In my case I had not set up the database correctly.
19:07 xarragon So not config file necessarily..
19:07 kirtybs12 actually, it too have a feeling i have messed up the db, but i started from scratch today... so i have no idea what went wrong and how to set it right
19:07 * tcohen runs away to prepare some tar.gz to upload
19:07 tcohen later #koha
19:07 xarragon In my case I created the database manually since it was a dev. machine. I have no idea how the packages work
19:08 wnickc you could drop the db in mysql and create a new blank one and run the installer again
19:09 xarragon Yeah, I have instructions for how to do that on the same page:[…]SQL_Configuration
19:09 xarragon But that requires you to be comfortable with the CLI and database wonkery..
19:09 xarragon But checking the logfiles for the web serevr would be my first step.
19:10 kirtybs12 where is the logfile located? I too wanted to have a look at that but couldn't find it
19:11 wnickc should be /var/log/koha/YOURINSTANCE/
19:12 kirtybs12 i will look it up once i boot into ubuntu, tell me smthng... can i drop the user table in the mysql db or is it necessary to pick the username from?
19:14 wnickc in packages you can "sudo koha-mysql INSTANCE"
19:15 kirtybs12 ok
19:15 kirtybs12 thanks for the help
19:15 kirtybs12 i will return after trying a few thngs
19:16 wnickc good luck kirtybs12
19:17 kirtybs12 thanks buddy !
19:24 xarragon Yes, good luck
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19:48 * magnuse waves
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20:00 eythian kathryn: Hi
20:00 wahanui kia ora, eythian
20:01 * eythian is 34,000ft over the Indian Ocean right now.
20:01 liw eythian, hola!
20:02 eythian Hi liw
20:03 ibeardslee keep an eye out for Flight 370
20:04 eythian ibeardslee: I have an aisle seat, not window
20:08 xarragon In-flight Wifi? That must be.. not cheap?
20:08 xarragon And over the ocean it must be satellite?
20:10 eythian According to Google maps I've just leapt from Perth to New York.
20:11 eythian $1 for 500MB
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20:11 ibeardslee that's not bad at all
20:12 cait hey eythian :)
20:12 eythian it's really good, though it's slow. OK for irc though.
20:12 eythian Hi cait
20:12 ajmlib looking for a bit of help, i was cataloging some books then suddenly the "new from z39.50/sru" button does nothing, restarted the server and client and still having problem, I can pull up a blank record if I hit "new record"
20:12 wizzyrea jajam - useful for sure, but it kinda breaks the rules for maintenance
20:13 * magnuse waves to eythian
20:14 wizzyrea eythian!
20:14 wahanui i guess eythian is an expert bot trainer
20:14 cait he misses us already :)
20:14 eythian Hello wizzyrea
20:14 wizzyrea he left here... 18ish hours ago and wellington's been mopey ever since
20:14 eythian And magnuse
20:14 wahanui it has been said that magnuse is a Norwegian giant.
20:15 ajmlib nvmind problem miraculously fixed itself
20:15 wizzyrea woo for magically solving themselves problems!
20:15 wizzyrea though, that's slightly unnerving.
20:41 kathryn eythian ! :)
20:41 kathryn what are you doing up there?
20:43 bag heya eythian
20:43 wahanui eythian is, like, a kiwi smartass, or so pianohacker says
20:44 kathryn hehe pianohacker
20:44 kathryn hi bag :)
20:44 bag heya kathryn
20:44 wahanui kathryn is, like, on the left of https://lh4.googleusercontent.[…]s720/ROSS9901.JPG
20:44 cait hi kathryn :)
20:45 kathryn hello cait :)
20:45 kathryn ohhh man that photo, that annoying kiwi smartass...
20:45 eythian kathryn: I'm sitting in a seat in the sky. I am a Geek myth.
20:46 eythian Err
20:46 eythian Greek
20:46 bag Geek works too
20:46 eythian Stupid autocorrect
20:46 kathryn hahahahaha
20:46 wahanui hahahahaha is there someone else we should ask?
20:47 kathryn we should rename wahanui to eythian2
20:47 bag HA
20:56 wizzyrea hehe eythian. I think you are definitely a geek myth.
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21:07 cait hm seems that is broken - redirects wrongly
21:09 bag yeah weird
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21:18 tcohen hi
21:18 wahanui privet, tcohen
21:18 tcohen hey wahanui
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21:31 wizzyrea heh, sure does.
21:32 wizzyrea that is not a thing I have control over.
21:32 rangi i think its at the end
21:33 wizzyrea yeah same.
21:36 bag I’ll text nicole
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22:08 bag hey wizzyrea this is what larryb said —>   the issue is k-c is now using SSL, and perhaps didn't setup their own redirect from http to https correctly?
22:09 bag for the redirect
22:09 wizzyrea I don't recall ever setting up a redirect for that
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22:09 wizzyrea for
22:09 bag ah here’s lari
22:09 bag larryb:
22:09 bag :P
22:10 bag yeah I know we don’t have access to anything in the dns
22:11 rangi be best to just fix the manual one to redirect to the ssl site
22:11 rangi doing 2 redirects just seems needlessly breaky
22:11 bag larryb ^^^
22:11 larryb rangi I already did that.
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22:12 bag ah sweet I think it works now :)
22:12 wizzyrea \o/
22:13 larryb yeah, I think it's working now
22:16 xarragon Hmm... is 'us-ascii' = 'iso-8859-1', in XML::writer more specifically
22:16 xarragon I doubt it, since it encodes all my swedish special chars into HTMl entities
22:17 xarragon So I guess it is the original 7-bit character set?
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22:23 dani1 Hello
22:23 wahanui que tal, dani1
22:23 dani1 I have a display question for anyone that can answer
22:24 dani1 where or where can I edit these links seen here in the catalog ?
22:24 dani1 hello wahanui
22:26 rangi you can either change them with jquery, or edit the templates
22:27 dani1 agh! Perfect, just what I need to know. thanks rangi
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22:28 dani1 don't want to mess with the templates, so I guess I will hunt down that jquery
22:29 cait dani1: course reserve and most popular can be turend off - if that's what you want
22:30 dani1 actually I have a migrating library wanting to turn off the "recent comments" and "Purchase suggestions" options
22:30 dani1 please tell me it's a sys pref ... ha
22:31 dani1 ^  not pictured in my link
22:31 cait yes both are
22:32 cait reviewson
22:32 cait OPACViewOthersSuggestions
22:32 cait hm not quite true sec
22:33 cait first one is OpacShowRecentComments
22:33 dani1 easy peasey
22:35 dani1 @cait++
22:35 huginn dani1: I've exhausted my database of quotes
22:37 pianohacker cait++
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23:32 pianohacker cait: random things I've dug up from Koha's basement today: ModBiblioMarc seems to only update the 005 field when you save a biblio if the record already has an 005. That seems silly to me, thoughtss?
23:33 cait um
23:33 cait not sure i understand yet
23:33 cait is 005 the timestamp?
23:33 pianohacker yar
23:33 cait hm yeah then it seems silly
23:33 pianohacker glad you agree :)
23:33 cait i think records created in koha iwll always have a 005 - so that would mostly affect imported records?
23:34 pianohacker cait: assuming they're using the default framework where 005's are required, yes
23:34 pianohacker (for records created in the old editor and rancor)
23:35 * dcook wonders how to reference the third line up
23:35 dcook ^3?
23:35 pianohacker heh
23:35 dcook Well.. that doesn't work now..
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23:35 dcook Yeah, I don't know why people leave off the 005
23:35 dcook Actually, I don't have anything meaningful to contribute
23:35 dcook On the plus side, I did manage to compile rsync in the end, although I probably will just use git-annex..
23:36 pianohacker the real lesson here is that the old editor is silly, continues to be silly, and always was silly
23:36 dcook Now to compile a ssh binary for Android... dropbear failed this morning but..
23:36 dcook hehe
23:36 dcook MARC is also silly
23:36 wahanui okay, dcook.
23:36 dcook You know what... I think I'll leave that
23:36 cait pianohacker: if you write patch, please include a test plan on how to end up with a record without 005 :)
23:36 pianohacker yes, but you don't have to add more silly to the silly sandwich
23:37 pianohacker cait: will do :)
23:38 pianohacker I'd argue turning off mandatory on 005@ is enough of a way, but the frameworks have had the label of "don't touch if you don't understand or you'll get bizarre problems"
23:38 pianohacker for a while
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23:51 dani1 http://l2-staff.migrate.bywate[…]owernumber=200965
23:51 dani1 love this kids name
23:51 dani1 Standing Bear Brandin
23:52 dcook ww?
23:52 dani1 opps wrong window
23:52 dani1 doh!
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