IRC log for #koha, 2015-09-10

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01:09 mtompset @seen pianohacker
01:09 huginn mtompset: pianohacker was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 20 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <pianohacker> @later tell tcohen The last time I was working on something that used DBIC and added new tables, I had to run the schema loader but not submit any of the results with the bug. Is that still true?
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01:59 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha
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03:50 floyania free books for free people http://spiritualwarfare666.web[…]atans_Library.htm
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06:09 * magnuse waves
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06:34 magnuse kia ora Viktor
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06:39 reiveune hello
06:39 magnuse bonjour reiveune
06:39 reiveune salut magnuse rangi :)
06:48 * magnuse suspects rangi of being on holiday
06:48 magnuse @seen rangi
06:48 huginn magnuse: rangi was last seen in #koha 1 day, 10 hours, 28 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <rangi> @later tell cdickinson awesome!!
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06:52 alex_a bonjour
06:52 wahanui bidet, alex_a
06:53 Viktor kia ora Magnuse
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07:27 cait Viktor: around?
07:29 Viktor cait: Indeed
07:31 cait oh hey :)
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07:37 drojf morning #koha
07:39 magnuse moin drojf
07:39 drojf hei magnuse
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08:08 * magnuse wishes there was some way to export/import authorized values
08:10 magnuse ah, bug 10198
08:10 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10198 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add the ability to import and export authorized values
08:10 drojf lucky you, it's still free to take ;)
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08:14 magnuse woohoo :-)
08:27 MKuhn Seems like 10 UTC is 12 CEST...
08:27 drojf MKuhn: yes
08:28 MKuhn At least today I'm too eraly but not too late :-)
08:28 drojf for what?
08:29 MKuhn Good question... I'm too late in fact... General IRC meeting was yesterday...
08:29 drojf yes. so you are too early and too late, kind of :)
08:30 MKuhn Time is relative...
08:30 drojf you are really early for next meeting
08:31 drojf got to go, later #koha
08:31 MKuhn Well, at least I TRIED...
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08:42 * andreashm waves
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09:01 andreashm humm, can't apply bug 10662. I get a warning about kohastructure.I would assume that this has something to do with Is there something I need to do with kohadevbox, since bug 13068? Magnuse?
09:01 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10662 new feature, P3, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Build OAI-PMH Harvesting Client
09:01 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13068 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , New feature for DB update and sandbox
09:10 andreashm magnuse: around?
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09:17 magnuse andreashm: on my way to lunch
09:17 magnuse where do you get the warning about kohastructure?
09:18 andreashm magnuse: fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (installer/data/mysql/kohastructure.sql).
09:18 andreashm when trying to apply
09:19 andreashm doing a git fetch origin, to see if that helps
09:24 magnuse that sounds more like a regular git problem than anything related to kohadevbox, i thnk
09:24 * magnuse magnus_afk
09:24 andreashm alright, hope so.
09:24 andreashm thanks magnuse
09:48 cait andreashm: one thing to check maybe is if your repo is current
09:48 cait but if it remains sha1... then you can set to 'doesn'tapply'
09:49 andreashm cait: doing a git fetch origin right now. wanted to be proper. but its going slooooooow.
09:49 cait andreashm: did you vote for kohacon yet?
09:49 andreashm cait: no, I havent. mostly because I can't make my mind up. =)
09:49 cait good to spend time with :)
09:49 cait ok, that's a godo reason :)
09:50 andreashm Greece would be easier, more ppl from us could go... but I'd like to see Manila.
09:52 andreashm If my work would pay for a trip to the Philippines, is another question though.
10:01 andreashm woho, managed to apply bug 10662! Just my git repu that was out of shape...
10:01 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10662 new feature, P3, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Build OAI-PMH Harvesting Client
10:04 cait andreashm++
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10:55 grharry Hi KOHA!!
10:58 grharry I have a nice problem here! I must add  a bunch of z3950 Providers that have all kinds of different charsets( i.e.   ISO5428:1984 )   in their data  is there a way to convert these into UTF8 in a koha module ?
11:00 grharry Also is it possible to add a proxy on a remote  z3950 Servers config ??
11:03 drojf goodness, we have a lot of people voting for kohacon 2016
11:06 drojf grharry: i don't think what you are asking is possible at the moment
11:06 magnuse drojf: yay
11:06 drojf grharry: but i am no expert on z39.50 stuff, others may know better
11:07 grharry hm
11:08 grharry I am searching for a combination of yazproxy and  metaproxy from indexdata !!!
11:08 grharry anybody ??
11:08 wahanui The #koha IRC channel is populated by people from many timezones, sometimes even on weekends. However, if no one is here right now and you need help you should take a look at
11:10 drojf grharry: if metaproxy does what you want, you probably have to set it up yourself for the servers you want to use and then put your metaproxy in koha (if i understand it correctly)
11:10 drojf (just read the website for a second, may be wrong)
11:11 drojf i think they have a hosted service to do what you want, too
11:13 grharry :P
11:17 drojf you're welcome to do a koha integration too ;)
11:20 grharry drojf: Yes, this could be an option! Provided all others are OUT!
11:21 drojf grharry: maybe ask on the mailing list to reach more people, it's pretty quiet here at the moment
11:25 grharry I think most ILS's inluding KOHA ingnore the fact that also some other charsets EXIST out there!!  UTF8 and LATIN1 are not alone in this universe !:-/
11:26 drojf i think people using latin1 or greek standards from 1984 should consider moving to the 21st century and switch to utf-8 already
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11:31 * magnuse agrees with drojf
11:32 magnuse you can choose between 6 differet encodings when you set up a new z39.50 target, though. and it should not be too hard to add more
11:33 grharry drojf: I agree with you!!! :) On the other hand we would like to use and benefit from their data !!!
11:33 magnuse or just alter the contents of the z3950servers.encoding on the command line, perhaps...
11:34 drojf grharry: give them a hand and help converting it to 2015 ;)
11:34 grharry drojf: FUNDS ARE LOW ... ALL OVER, my man !!
11:39 magnuse grharry: have you tried altering z3950servers.encoding from the command line?
11:39 magnuse i don't think koha does much with those ancoding names, except pass them to something else that does the conversion
11:49 grharry manguse: what is the util that will do that "altering z3950servers.encoding from the command line? " ???? =-O
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12:04 magnuse grharry: ah, i was thinking about using the terminal to login to mysql, but i'll not lead you astray if you are not used to working with that
12:05 grharry :)
12:07 grharry manguse: Allow me tell you this. The  remote z3950 servers charset is HARD-CODED into "./koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/​prog/en/modules/admin/" file
12:07 grharry at about 170 line
12:09 magnuse yup, i did a patch some ages ago to add to that hard coded list
12:10 grharry The contents of z3950servers Field "encoding" is totally ignored if values are not  'utf8' 'EUC-KR' 'ISO_5426' 'ISO_6937' 'ISO_8859-1' 'MARC-8'
12:10 magnuse it could/should probably be an authorized value, to make adding encodings easier
12:10 magnuse oh, they are ignored?
12:11 grharry I would suggest adding a master table
12:11 grharry with all the crazy bib charsets
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12:11 grharry and the util to convert them
12:11 grharry like yaz-icov
12:12 grharry that is connected with the field
12:12 tcohen morning
12:13 grharry ;-)
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12:14 tcohen @later tell pianohacker you should attach a  patch with those changes, so people can test your patchset. But chances are that the hash doesn't match with current master by the time it gets pushed, so there might be a need to re-do it
12:14 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
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12:19 mveron Hi #koha
12:19 mveron @wunder Allschwil
12:19 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 20.0°C (2:00 PM CEST on September 10, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
12:22 drojf hi mveron :)
12:22 mveron hi drojf :-)
12:23 * mveron waves to cait
12:26 * cait waves back :)
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12:37 nengard morning all
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12:58 hkh Hallo,
12:58 hkh I recently added a bug 14800 in bugzilla which was correctly identified as a duplicate to 14739 by Nick Clemens. Prior to adding this bug I did search for a similar bug using "patron card creator" as a search term which showed me several bugs but 14739 was not among these. So I was sure this is a new bug... Is there a way to avoid missing a relevant bug? The problem here seems to be  that...
12:58 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14800 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Adding Patrons to new Batch increments batchno instead of adding patron to list
12:58 hkh ...there are two applicable components: Tools (where the patron card creator is found) and Label/patron card printing (where bug 14739 is assigned) and the latter is not matching "patron card creator".
12:58 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14739 normal, P3, ---, nick, Signed Off , Add several patrons to a new batch will create a new batch per patron added
13:00 cait khk you can use the modules to limit search a bit but it's often a bit tricky
13:01 cait hkh:...
13:01 cait the bug wranglers and qa people try to identify duplicates, I think ti's often a matter of knowing thereis another report right now
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13:08 hkh would it be helpful e.g. to add a bug for component tools with a description "if your bug is about tool patron card creator - please use component label/patroncard printing"? This  might help to assign unambigously a component
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13:10 mveron hkh: If you find a bug related to patron card creation that has not Label/Patron card printing as module please change the module as appropriate.
13:12 cait hkh: there is a bit of description here:[…].cgi?product=Koha
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13:26 tcohen hi cait
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13:30 cait hi tcohen :)
13:30 hkh Hallo Marc, I think you gave me a good hint! After searching for "patron card creator" I should have looked at the assigned component and search again for "label/patron" to get a complete list  including 14739. When searching for "patron card creator" there are quite a few bug reports with comp Tools, Architec, Patrons, Acquisit, I18N/L10.
13:30 hkh Hallo Katrin, I will read describecomponents.
13:34 mveron hkh: I changed the module on some bugs to "label/patron card printing"
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13:44 hkh THANK YOU for assistance - good bye for today
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15:03 barton question about koha-shell -- is there a way to get it to launch in the instance's $HOME directory, rather than staying in the directory that it was launched in? A-la 'su - user' rather than 'su user'.
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15:20 talljoy morning #koha
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15:25 nitz0 buenas!
15:29 mtj $  koha-shell  --command 'cd ~/ ; ls'  mykoha
15:29 mtj barton: that works-ish.. ^
15:30 mtj $ koha-shell --command 'cd ~/ ; pwd ' mykoha
15:30 mtj etc..
15:30 mtj i think your idea would be a handy arg for koha-shell tho :)
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15:31 barton mtj: yeah... I really want to be in the instance's $HOME when I launch it interactively...
15:32 drojf evening
15:32 barton good $(TIME_OF_DAY) drojf :-)
15:33 mtj barton: hmm, whats 'interactively'?  you mean with --login ?
15:33 barton with --login, or simply without  --command ...
15:34 mtj --login seems to default to $HOME already?
15:34 barton I do a fair amount of command line work inside the koha-shell environment.
15:34 barton ah. I didn't know that.
15:34 drojf hi barton
15:34 drojf uh stormy evening
15:35 barton mtj++
15:35 barton koha-shell++
15:36 mtj ah yes, there is a diff. with/without the --login arg
15:37 mtj so... use --login, problem fixed :0)
15:39 mtj $ koha-shell --login --command 'pwd'  mykoha
15:39 mtj ...even better, you can combine the 2 args
15:40 mtj will run the command, and set $HOME
15:40 barton noice.
15:43 barton totally different subject -- does anyone here have perl debugger experience? I've always wondered how to script a series of debugger steps, e.g. if I want to replay a bug that's deeply nested in the call stack. I've never seen good documentation on how to do that...
15:49 mtj hmm, perhaps this barton
15:49 mtj[…]mands_from_a_file.
15:50 mtj source - read commands from a file.
15:50 mtj Opens a lexical filehandle and stacks it on @cmdfhs; DB::readline will pick it up.
15:50 mtj ive never used it, myself... but it looks promising
15:51 mtj ..and yeah... not many results via google huh :/
15:51 barton going to have to try that...
15:52 reiveune bye
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15:52 barton looks like 'save' will save the history, suitable for replaying using 'source'. Nice.
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18:22 cdickinson @wunder lower hutt
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20:14 pianohacker *sigh* you can prevent the mysql client from exiting completely on ctrl-c by passing --sigint-ignore... but that also prevents killing queries with ctrl-c
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20:21 eben hello
20:21 wahanui hi, eben
20:22 eben how you doing
20:22 pianohacker eben: wahanui's a chatbot
20:23 pianohacker but hi! :)
20:23 pianohacker wahanui: hello?
20:23 wahanui no idea, pianohacker
20:23 pianohacker hello?
20:34 * nitz0 back to the sources...
20:35 cait hi pianohacker :)
20:35 pianohacker hi cait
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20:39 ken hi
20:40 ken i need help
20:40 ken anyone pls
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20:46 nitz0 alguno con koha en espanhol?
20:48 Francesca good morning
20:48 wahanui well, it's morning somewhere, yes
20:53 cait nitz0: not at the moment i think
20:54 cait you are lookin gfor somoene who speaks spanish?
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21:05 nitz0 cait: not really. I installed koha 3.18 (packet) in ubuntu two days ago. I didnt's specify any language, I did a default installation. While I was reading install docs, I read that changing language is easy.
21:05 cait ah yeah it is
21:05 cait if you have packages
21:05 nitz0 cait: So, minutes ago I tried to koha-translate -i es-ES
21:06 cait ok
21:06 cait what happened?
21:07 nitz0 cait: But "Koha directories hierarchy for es-ES must be created first" msg appeared and It was difficult to find googling the reason.
21:07 nitz0 (difficult to me)
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21:07 cait hmmm
21:07 cait have you treid rerunning th ecommand?
21:08 cait also check in the i18n tab of the system preferences if the language shows up there already
21:08 nitz0 perl translate?
21:08 cait the koha-translate comment
21:08 cait command
21:08 nitz0 yes, I used that command
21:09 nitz0 And nothing appears into Admin -> I18N/L10N preferences
21:12 cait hm have you run it with sudo?
21:12 cait i thik the package commands require it
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21:12 mtj hey cait, nitz0
21:13 mtj nitz0: you should have 1000-ish 'es-ES' files, in your Koha dir
21:14 mtj ..if your koha-translate command worked ok
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21:14 Brooke o/
21:14 nitz0 Guys, sorry, the problem was that I didn't use sudo.
21:15 Brooke Any Nigerians about?
21:15 mtj no probs, the command really should check that, huh
21:16 nitz0 It didn't, thx anyway, problems are sometimes perspective issues...
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21:18 Brooke okie dokie, anyone else actually sit down and try and get their Nigerian visa yet?
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21:19 pianohacker Brooke: unrelated; most of your email gets thrown into spam by Gmail (at least for me) because it thinks you're not sending it through yahoo properly
21:20 pianohacker also hi :)
21:20 Brooke yeah thanks, naught I can do about that. It's happened for years.
21:20 Brooke ever try and get Yahoo to do anything?
21:20 pianohacker kk :)
21:20 pianohacker yeah, was talking to a friend, apparently proper SMTP is a paid feature?
21:21 Brooke *eyeroll*
21:21 Brooke they held my account hostage for like a week a couple summers ago over my birthday
21:23 * mtj wistfully recalls his yahoo email account
21:23 mtj ..and his mc-hammer pants
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21:29 mtj but seriously Brooke, rangi might have some advice for you
21:30 Brooke as much as being a Kiwi would be nice, different procedures for yanks :/
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21:33 Brooke catch you guys latah
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21:59 nitz0 bye ppl, thx again.
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23:56 Francesca cdickinson and I are the wellington koha today
23:56 Francesca unless anyone else is hanging around on irc
23:59 BobB hi Francesca, you have company across the ditch :)

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