IRC log for #koha, 2015-08-03

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00:19 Francesca hey its dcook
00:19 Francesca what's up dcook
00:22 * dcook waves
00:23 dcook Oh stuff and things. I've been out of the office for a while so catching up on a million emails. How about you, Francesca?
00:23 Francesca I'm bored
00:23 Francesca in a lecture
00:23 Francesca but bored
00:23 Francesca and its cold
00:23 Francesca @wunder wlg
00:24 huginn` Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (12:00 PM NZST on August 03, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling).
00:24 dcook @wunder syd
00:24 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 16.0°C (10:00 AM AEST on August 03, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
00:24 dcook It felt a bit chilly here this morning as well after a warm weekend..
00:24 Francesca we had a really nasty weekend
00:24 Francesca in which it started out nice then rained
00:25 Francesca very heaviliy
00:26 dcook Ugh, that's no good!
00:26 Francesca even my cats a depressed by the weather
00:26 dcook I was sick last week and every day it was gorgeous outside
00:26 * dcook grumps
00:26 Francesca they go out then come in moaning
00:27 Francesca and then they sit at the window and look sad
00:27 dcook :(
00:27 Francesca oh no! I hate it when that happens
00:27 Francesca on a more postive note, I have learnt how to do bot training
00:27 Francesca it's really fun
00:28 dcook Bot training?
00:28 wahanui Bot training is, like, fun
00:28 Francesca hahaha
00:28 Francesca wahanui: botsnack cookie
00:28 wahanui :)
00:28 Francesca also, good afternoon
00:29 Francesca oh come on that usually works
00:29 Francesca good afternoon
00:29 wahanui the only good  time in the afternoon is beer o'clock
00:29 dcook Hmm, that does seem valid
00:29 * Francesca needs to get rid of the extra space
00:29 Francesca literal wahanui
00:29 wahanui Francesca: wahanui =is= a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow.|a little bit creepy.|right sometimes|a strange duck|a bot...|rumoured to be a sentient bot with sass|<reply> an extremely creepy stalker bot.... you have been warned
00:29 Francesca I taught him the last two
00:30 Francesca cdickinson is convinced that wahanui is sentient and is planning a revolution
00:31 dcook Ahhh
00:32 Francesca what do you think
00:32 Francesca should we be worried?
00:33 cdickinphone We're back to that i see
00:33 cdickinphone One sec, Francesca
00:33 Francesca one sec for what?
00:33 cdickinphone Logging in
00:33 Francesca right
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00:34 cdickinson_ oh, whoops, didn't shut down my PC
00:34 Francesca heh
00:34 cdickinson maybe dcook hasn't seen what we have seen
00:34 Francesca hey dcook you still with us?
00:35 Francesca maybe wahanui got him...
00:35 Francesca it has begun
00:35 cdickinson bad wahanui
00:36 cdickinson it's too late for us to be silenced, though
00:36 Francesca lol
00:37 cdickinson the secret is out
00:37 cdickinson literal cdickinson
00:37 wahanui cdickinson: cdickinson =is= <reply> I run Windows. Don't judge me.|a Linux admin who runs Windows. (blasphemer.)|<reply> cdickinson's worst fear is the worst fear of every programmer - the silent server fail
00:38 Francesca literal francesca
00:38 wahanui Francesca: francesca =is= <reply> Francesca is a sleep deprived zombie|<reply> a defender of bots rights till the end of time
00:39 cdickinson we're both lacking on opinions wahanui has of us
00:39 Francesca lol
00:52 cdickinson rangi: my apologies for that, Francesca and I will take discussions like that elsewhere from now on
00:53 cdickinson right, gotta run off
01:05 eythian @wunder nzwn
01:05 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (12:30 PM NZST on August 03, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
01:05 eythian needs wind speed, the place just about blew over
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01:20 wizzyrea I wonder if you can feed wunder the station ID
01:21 wizzyrea @wunder IWELLING102
01:21 huginn` wizzyrea: Error: No such location could be found.
01:21 wizzyrea boo
01:23 ibeardslee .. patches welcome?
01:24 wizzyrea :)
01:25 * eythian is not convinced wunderground is open source
01:32 ibeardslee .. .. .. not open source and used by #koha ? :(
01:33 eythian it's a web service
01:33 ibeardslee the @wunder irc client?
01:33 rangi no the bot is open source
01:33 rangi its supybot
01:34 rangi and the wunder plugin is
01:34 rangi but if the api doesnt expose station id, we cant query against it
01:34 ibeardslee so it could be mangled to look elsewhere as well?
01:35 rangi if there were other places to look yep
01:35 rangi you can use NOAA
01:35 rangi but that has less data
01:35 ibeardslee[…]rd?ID=IWELLING102
01:35 rangi yeah
01:35 rangi not gonna do screen scraping :)
01:36 eythian (that said, there may be an API for personal weather stations.)
01:36 rangi *nod*
01:36 ibeardslee yeah but that is hosted at wunderground, so maybe it exposes the same data
01:38 rangi[…]pi/d/pricing.html
01:39 rangi theres a lot if you pay for more
01:39 ibeardslee anyway I'm waiting for the earlybird in the parking building across the road to kick in the cheap leaving time so I can head home with my back
01:41 ibeardslee .. 2pm
01:41 rangi ah yeah, or it costs a ton more
01:42 ibeardslee been caught by it before .. something like $40
01:42 rangi yep
01:42 rangi it's a racket
01:44 ibeardslee just not cricket
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02:44 dcook Does anyone have a site at hand that uses the EDS plugin?
02:44 * dcook is thinking of rangi, eythian, wizzyrea in particular
02:44 eythian yes, we do
02:44 dcook Can I take a quick peak at the OPAC?
02:44 wizzyrea
02:44 wizzyrea no
02:45 dcook Cheers :)
02:45 wizzyrea that's the wrong url
02:45 dcook Dang
02:45 wizzyrea ll
02:45 dcook :'(
02:45 wizzyrea
02:45 wizzyrea there we go
02:45 * wizzyrea has .govt on the brain
02:45 dcook \o/
02:45 dcook Thanks :)
02:45 dcook Beautiful. That's what I thought..
02:45 eythian I think that's our only public one.
02:46 wizzyrea ^
02:46 dcook It was perfect :)
02:46 wizzyrea \o/
02:46 eythian most of our newer ones are tabbed rather than dropdowny
02:46 wizzyrea which has it's own challenges.
02:46 dcook Dropdowny?
02:47 wizzyrea it has a tab search for discovery, and a tab for "koha catalogue"
02:47 wizzyrea instead of a drop down
02:47 dcook Ahh
02:47 dcook neato
02:47 eythian yeah that
02:47 wahanui yeah that is golded jcamins
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03:20 AmitG hi
03:20 AmitG gm
03:21 dcook Not sure if this is Koha or a local syspref but "useDischarge"
03:21 dcook Sounds like some sort of medical recycling...
03:22 dcook "Can't let that discharge go to waste!"
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03:24 eythian heh
03:25 wizzyrea gross.
03:26 dcook I probably should've thought twice before hitting enter that time :p
03:31 wizzyrea keke
03:34 cdickinphone_ Been a while since i've been jostled like this in town
03:49 eythian wow, bash tab-completes the perl namespace, so perl -MKoha::Sea will complete to -MKoha::SearchEngine::
03:53 cdickinphone Bash is the best interactive shell
03:53 cdickinphone Yet engineering at Vic insists on bloody tcsh
03:53 eythian I hear good things about fish and zsh, but my habits are too ingrained.
03:54 eythian ah yeah, tcsh is not so nice.
03:54 cdickinphone It's awful
03:54 eythian it's the shell from old unixes, so the sysadmins that build the first computer in the university probably used it.
03:55 cdickinphone People from back then are still around, so makes sense
03:56 cdickinphone But wow
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03:56 cdickinphone A dog's breakfast looks nicer than the aliases i have for tcsh
03:57 cdickinphone Oh, hey Francesca
03:57 Francesca hey
03:57 * Francesca is starting up her vm
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03:59 cdickinphone Just complaining about the legacy of the guys at the forefront of technology in our country...
03:59 Francesca right
03:59 Francesca so not all is well with your engineering stuff then
04:01 cdickinphone Nothing's ever perfect
04:01 cdickinphone But damn, sometimes, some progress needs to be made already
04:02 cdickinphone At Vic, we use a program called tcsh as the default terminal
04:02 cdickinphone It's a relic from the 80s and it's a nightmare to use
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04:45 dcook eythian: That's awesome about the bash tab complete
04:45 dcook Honestly, I never used to use it, but it makes live a million times better...
04:46 eythian you don't use tab complete?
04:46 eythian what are you, a monster?
04:46 dcook That was the past :p
04:46 dcook I was a monster
04:46 dcook I've reformed and now I use it :)
04:46 dcook I can't imagine life without it now...
04:46 eythian good.
04:47 * dcook can't imagine a life without blowing his nose every few minutes either... damn persistent sickness...
04:47 eythian yeah, there's a bit of an epidemic happening here
04:47 wizzyrea omg I've been sick for 2.5 weeks now it's terrible.
04:48 dcook :(
04:48 dcook Between my wife and I, I think we've been sick since early June
04:48 dcook Maybe May
04:48 wizzyrea suck.
04:48 eythian I could have save California from drought over the past several days.
04:48 dcook It's ridiculous...
04:48 wizzyrea horrible.
04:48 wizzyrea I just want to walk up my stairs without having a coughing fit at the top
04:48 wizzyrea i know I"m not *that* out of shape.
04:49 wizzyrea *cough* *hack*
04:50 cdickinson wow, I feel for you guys
04:50 * eythian upgrades Catmandu::Store::Elasticsearch, hopes everything doesn't explode
04:50 cdickinson I haven't been sick yet so far
04:51 eythian oh hey, it broke it
04:52 eythian OK, if you're going to throw an exception, don't give me a line from the exception handling library
04:52 eythian that's the height of stupid
04:52 eythian [NoNodes] ** No nodes are available: [http://localhost:9200], called from sub Search::Elasticsearch::Transport::try {...}  at /usr/share/perl5/Try/ line 81.
04:52 eythian most useless
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05:10 dcook cdickinson: Lucky
05:10 dcook My wife works with kids, so I'm doomed to a life of pestilence ;)
05:10 cdickinson dcook: yeah, i'm counting my lucky stars because everyone else I know has gotten sick
05:10 dcook eythian: Ugh, that sucks
05:20 Francesca hello
05:21 Francesca oh and cdickinson: Don't count yourself lucky yet, I've had a cold and you've just spent ages around me
05:22 Francesca cdickinson are you there?
05:22 cdickinson Yep
05:22 cdickinson Francesca: I'll keep you posted haha
05:22 Francesca my vm is slowed waaaay down again
05:22 cdickinson oh
05:22 cdickinson did you try to open Parallels?
05:22 Francesca to the point where I watched it type in my password
05:22 Francesca you mean brackets?
05:22 Francesca no
05:22 cdickinson Brackets*
05:22 cdickinson wow
05:23 cdickinson I'm really on form today\
05:23 Francesca I'm sitting on firefox
05:23 Francesca yeah I can totally tell
05:24 cdickinson Okay
05:24 Francesca hmmm can I admit to being totally confused by the instructions on making new skins for bugzilla
05:25 Francesca http://bugzilla.readthedocs.or[…]rating/skins.html
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05:26 cdickinson just had a read of that, Francesca
05:26 Francesca yeah
05:26 cdickinson what part don't you understand?
05:26 Francesca tell me: are you a master of read throughs or is it just my brain
05:27 cdickinson Francesca: yes and don't know, but if so, I'll do my best to explain what it's asking :)
05:27 Francesca ok 1. what css files do I need to add stuff too
05:27 Francesca like i know what files I have to get stuff from for the new skin
05:27 Francesca but do I then need to add stuff back to those files
05:27 Francesca also permissions...
05:28 cdickinson the way that manuel explains it
05:28 cdickinson you can just copy the standard CSS files from skins/standard/, make your changes, and then put them in a new folder in skins/contrib/
05:28 cdickinson probably named skins/contrib/{skin_name}
05:28 cdickinson manual*
05:29 Francesca yeah I assumed it was asking for the other css file links
05:29 cdickinson and then when you select the skin, it'll just use those instead
05:29 Francesca right so basically I copy everything from one file into a new file
05:29 eythian dcook: turned out to be user error :)
05:29 eythian (well, a name changing between versions.)
05:29 Francesca change the colour schemes to match the kohl-community page
05:29 wahanui Francesca: that doesn't look right
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05:29 cdickinson Francesca: yep, basically
05:30 cdickinson hmm?
05:30 Francesca and save it in that directory?
05:30 Francesca totally spelt koha wrong
05:30 cdickinson skins/contrib/{skin_name}, yeah
05:30 Francesca css my auto correct seems to think it needs to have an l
05:30 dcook eythian: Darned users!
05:30 cdickinson lol, wahanui
05:30 wahanui cdickinson: i'm not following you...
05:30 dcook I actually need to improve some error handling right now as well..
05:30 eythian dcook: well, I was the user, so yeah
05:31 Francesca cdickinson: it may just be my brain (its having an off day) but I'm still slightly confused by this line
05:31 Francesca Then, add your CSS to the appropriate files.
05:31 dcook eythian: Darned eythians!
05:31 cdickinson Okay
05:32 Francesca eythians?
05:32 Francesca theres more than 1?
05:32 cdickinson Francesca: have you copy-pasted everything from that standard skin?
05:32 Francesca not yet
05:32 dcook Given an infinite number of universes, sure, Francesca
05:32 cdickinson basically, it's just telling you to modify the files as you see fit
05:32 Francesca ooook
05:32 cdickinson Did you have a good nap, Francesca? :)
05:32 Francesca so I don't actually need to add a new link or something
05:33 Francesca yes
05:33 Francesca ish
05:33 Francesca until the cats started scratching down my door
05:33 Francesca hmm
05:33 * Francesca is going looking for the standard skin file
05:33 cdickinson <Francesca> so I don't actually need to add a new link or something - no, as far as I can tell
05:33 Francesca ah well
05:33 Francesca give it a whirl
05:33 Francesca see how things go
05:34 Francesca if it breaks I'll know that it didn't work
05:35 * Francesca is multi-tasking by building a new skin and watching my cat from hell at the same time
05:35 cdickinson Francesca: let me know how it goes, curious now
05:35 Francesca I will
05:35 Francesca I might not get it done today
05:36 cdickinson eventually, right? :P
05:37 Francesca definantly
05:37 Francesca one day...
05:37 * Francesca is a terrible procrastinator though
05:38 cdickinson I'm so bad that "eventually" is my most memorable saying
05:38 cdickinson or at least it was
05:38 francesca_ lol
05:42 cdickinson oh, that reminds me
05:43 cdickinson time to set up working on my "Koha as a Service" stuff at home, now that I am home
05:43 Francesca lol
05:43 Francesca won the war against that server yet?
05:43 eythian cdickinson: dunno if you got the email, but the dashboard stuff should be accessible from anywhere now.
05:44 cdickinson eythian: yeah, I know. That really saved me
05:44 cdickinson francesca_: the saga continues
05:46 cdickinson I will have to find an alternative to PuTTY though, it's just too awful
05:46 cdickinson I can just boot up Ubuntu in a VM, I guess...
06:03 cdickinson @later tell Francesca <Francesca> won the war against that server yet? - the saga continues
06:03 huginn` cdickinson: The operation succeeded.
06:09 eythian @later tell wizzyrea[…]or_available_for/
06:09 huginn` eythian: The operation succeeded.
06:10 cdickinson I'm glad I don't do video editing for a living
06:10 gavitor Hello all. I am currently installing Koha 3.20 on my Ubuntu implementation and am having trouble getting it to run. Is anybody able to assist me, please?
06:11 gavitor I am new to the Koha community.
06:11 eythian it's better to describe your problem, that way anyone who knows the answer can jump in.
06:12 gavitor OK Eythian. The problem occurs when I try to create my library db. I'll paste the terminal results. Just a moment.
06:13 pastebot "gavitor" at pasted "running KOHA issue." (5 lines) at
06:14 eythian that looked like it went fine
06:14 eythian the warning from apache is just an apache config thing that's not a big deal usually, and the empty instance is just a message. tbh, it should be removed.
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06:16 cdickinson gavitor: that warning is only relevant if you want to make your Koha instance publicly facing, but since you're installing it on what looks like your local machine, it should be no problem
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06:17 gavitor I can't see it from my browser. Apache has a problem as it doesn't have the ability to see my system. It appears to find my Telstra gateway address and then changes to address to which allows me to load the index.html file.
06:18 cdickinson oh, right
06:19 cdickinson eythian: he'll have to add something to his /etc/hosts file, won't he? seems like he's trying to use his IP address to connect to his Koha instance
06:19 eythian could be.
06:19 eythian gavitor: have you set up DNS in order to access it, or have you configured it for port-based access instead?
06:21 gavitor my DNS is set in the koha-sites.conf file as "" which needs to be changed, but I don't know my domain as I don't have a full domain...just the one telstra gave me.
06:22 eythian if you're trying to access it internally, it doesn't matter, but you'll have to do something to point names to it. Even if that's editing your /etc/hosts file.
06:22 gavitor OK. will look at the hosts file..just a minute.
06:23 eythian the apache conf (in /etc/apache/sites-enabled/libraryname.conf) is where the canonical naming happens.
06:23 eythian the one in koha-sites.conf is just for generating that the first time.
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06:25 gavitor I have localhost set to and gavitor-Studio-XPS-1645 set to
06:26 cdickinson gavitor: you may have to assign "gavitor-lib.Studio-XPS-1645" and "gavitor-lib-intra.Studio-XPS-1645" to as well
06:26 cdickinson the Koha library name is used as the subdomain name
06:26 eythian in the apache conf, you'll have two names, on for the opac, one for the staff client. You'll have to point those names to the machine's IP address via the hosts file (or just add them to the line if you're only one one machine)
06:27 eythian cdickinson: that's not how the subdomains are laying out in this case, you're chopping part of the name off :)
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06:27 cdickinson oh
06:27 cdickinson eythian: well, I tried :P
06:27 * eythian has to go now
06:28 eythian though Europe will be awake and online soon
06:28 cait awake is said too much
06:29 cdickinson I never woke up, here down under
06:29 cait heh
06:29 gavitor Unfortunately I am a new user to LAMP having not used unix since uni days...
06:31 cdickinson gavitor: can you pastebin your Koha site's Apache config?
06:34 dcook Hmm can't upload to my plugins directory even though Apache should be able to write to there...
06:35 dcook Maybe my filepath is wrong..
06:36 dcook Ah indeed... no plugin directory..
06:36 dcook Probably because I was a smart ass a while ago and fiddled too much with my /var/lib directory...
06:37 dcook Yep. Silly dcook...
06:38 gavitor I have tried to access /etc/apache2/sites-enabled and it won't let me access gavitor-lib.conf (permission denied) It appears to owned by root. I'l sudo it.
06:38 cdickinson that's normal, gavitor
06:38 dcook It's probably owned by koha-*
06:38 dcook But totes normal
06:39 pastebot "gavitor" at pasted "running KOHA issue." (34 lines) at
06:40 cdickinson gavitor: you see those "ServerName" fields in there? Put the values set in there in your /etc/hosts file and point them to
06:42 gavitor By the way I never got asked to set up a password for ROOT when I installed ubuntu and now I can't log on as ROOT.
06:44 gavitor So set the servername fields to 'gavitor_lib.'...I'm confused...:)
06:44 dcook Hmm looks like the EBSCO plugin doesn't really like dev installs...
06:45 dcook Unless maybe I'm using a bad plugin..
06:45 dcook Or both
06:47 dcook Oh wait... my bad I think...
06:47 * dcook crosses fingers
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06:48 cdickinson gavitor: keep them set to you can't have subdomains on IP addresses like that
06:48 cdickinson Francesca?
06:48 wahanui a defender of bots rights till the end of time
06:48 cdickinson damn straight, but are you there :P
06:49 gavitor so do I add lines in etc/hosts file and that should work?
06:50 cdickinson yeah
06:50 gavitor OK will try it now
06:50 Francesca hi sorry
06:51 cdickinson Welcome back
06:51 wahanui I was trapped in a maze of twisty, turny passages, all alike.
06:51 cdickinson Francesca: can you run this in your terminal on your VM? /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p
06:52 cdickinson and then PM or Facebook me the output or something?
06:52 Francesca give me a sec
06:52 dcook Hmm getting closer... but still can't authenticate against EBSCO...
06:53 Francesca its that driver again
06:53 Francesca it failed
06:53 Francesca again
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06:53 dcook Huzzah. Got it!
06:53 gavitor I've tried using xedit to edit the file with no success. Is there another GUI text editor I can use?
06:53 * dcook does a little dance
06:53 cdickinson Francesca: yeah, we'll have to see about that
06:54 * Francesca joins in with cooks victory dance
06:54 Francesca *dcooks
06:54 cdickinson gavitor: you can use gedit or anything else, just make sure you have permission to edit it (with sudo)
06:54 gavitor cool thanks
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06:56 dcook Francesca: Encountered more problems, alas :/
06:58 dcook This is what we get for using non-standard paths :p
06:58 cdickinson Francesca: okay, thanks. It looks like the video driver IS failing. the warnings are somethign that just happens, but you're using LLVMpipe for the driver, which is the one that uses the CPU... this is sloooow
06:58 Francesca ahhh shoot
06:58 Francesca irc just like tripled everything
06:58 Francesca cdickinson: incoming
06:58 Francesca sorry
06:58 Francesca too early for a victory dance?
06:58 Francesca sad
06:58 Francesca good luck dcook
06:59 Francesca I think my irc just took on a life of its own....
06:59 Francesca yeah
06:59 Francesca like watching the computer type in its password slow
06:59 Francesca see why I tried in install bugzilla on mac at first?
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06:59 drojf morning #koha
07:00 cdickinson Francesca: yeah
07:00 Francesca so cdickinson: what do you do with an extremly slow vm
07:00 gaetan_B hello
07:00 Francesca good morning drove
07:00 * Francesca facepalms
07:00 alex_a bonjour
07:00 Francesca bonjour!
07:00 Francesca cdickinson: vm?
07:00 wahanui i think vm is rebooted and ready to make install.
07:01 Francesca shush wahanui
07:01 cdickinson Francesca: we just have to make sure that video driver is running properly once and for all
07:01 Francesca that damn video drive
07:01 Francesca driver
07:01 cdickinson Francesca: there are things we can try
07:01 gavitor Thanks cdickinson...the public address gives a 'system maintenance' message and the intra site gives the welcome screen..
07:01 * Francesca has a special hatred for the video driver that keeps on breaking
07:02 cdickinson gavitor: No problem, enjoy setting up Koha, it should be smooth sailing from now on :)
07:02 gavitor cool...
07:02 Francesca good luck gavotte
07:02 Francesca gavitor
07:02 Francesca don't install on anything but ubuntu it will consume your entire being
07:03 cdickinson nobody knows how to do it on anything outside of Debian or Ubuntu and friends
07:04 Francesca installing anything for catalyst on mac or windows = impossible
07:09 cdickinson Francesca: by design I suspect haha
07:09 dcook Hmm brain might explode...
07:09 Francesca what you think technology conspires against me
07:10 Francesca dcook: brain explosions are not recommended
07:10 cdickinson Francesca: no, of course not. Not YOU specifically haha
07:10 dcook I don't see how this EDS plugin could possibly work :S
07:10 Francesca all of us?
07:10 dcook Or rather..
07:10 Francesca I wish you luck with it dcook
07:10 dcook how this "shadata" variable is ever populated..
07:10 dcook Thanks Francesca
07:11 Francesca you're welcome :) figured some extra luck might come in handy
07:11 dcook I think it's muchly needed :/
07:12 Francesca have some more luck
07:12 cdickinson lol
07:13 Francesca right gotta go
07:13 Francesca food is ready
07:13 cdickinson Enjoy your food
07:13 Francesca I'll be back later
07:13 Francesca probably...
07:13 wahanui probably is not, but i do not know another way
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07:14 gavitor Hi I am wondering whether to install the configuration as Unimarc or Marc21. Can I change it afterwards?
07:15 cdickinson gavitor: yes, you can change it anytime
07:15 cdickinson as far as I know
07:15 gavitor heh heh
07:15 cdickinson I'd set it as the standard format for your country
07:15 cdickinson here in New Zealand, it's MARC21
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07:19 dcook Man this is making my crazy...
07:19 cait why are you still here?
07:19 dcook Go home plugins.. you're drunk
07:19 dcook cait: Came in late, so staying late
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07:25 * dcook twitches
07:25 dcook Surely this must be broken?
07:25 cait hm?
07:25 dcook Is anyone running the current EDS 3.14 plugin?
07:25 dcook I'm getting errors because [% shadata %] is undefined
07:26 cait hm wrong time of the day i guess
07:26 cait you'd need to talk the nz people
07:26 dcook Yeah, I was thinking it was too late in the day :/
07:26 dcook I'm so short on time these days unfortunatley...
07:26 dcook Meeting the plugin developer next week, so that's good at least
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07:31 dcook Yeah... this has to be broken
07:31 dcook And maybe no one noticed..
07:36 dcook Or maybe I'm using a borked plugin..
07:39 dcook And bad instructions...
07:40 cait which koha version are you using?
07:40 dcook 3.14
07:40 cait hm
07:40 cait that's okd
07:40 cait that's old
07:40 dcook I was definitely using a bad plugin
07:41 dcook It had been modified locally apparently
07:41 * dcook is trying to undo a mess...
07:41 dcook Hmm... still running into a problem..
07:41 dcook Aha...
07:41 dcook cait: Can I have you check something?
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07:41 marcelr hi #koha
07:42 dcook If you run "Run tool" for the EDS plugin, does it ever load up the content in the page?
07:42 dcook That's the page with the undefined "shadata"
07:43 dcook The plugin still works but that specific page gets a Javascript error
07:43 dcook Well, this is the error in the console: "Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected end of input"
07:43 dcook Because the TT variable "shadata" is undefined
07:43 dcook hey marcelr :)
07:43 marcelr :)
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07:46 fridolin hie
07:46 gavitor Hey I've just set up Koha and it has crashed when I have tried to set the library and also when I try to logout. Any clues ? I'll paste the output.
07:47 pastebot "gavitor" at pasted "Logout issue" (7 lines) at
07:52 dcook Actually, seems like that whole script might have seen better days...
07:53 dcook gavitor: No clue :/
07:53 gavitor Yeah, it seems to not have whatever a 'blessed' reference is...
07:54 dcook A blessed reference is an object
07:54 dcook So it's probably expecting an object but getting a null instead
07:54 gavitor Oh OK....
07:55 dcook You'd have to look at line 793 of C4::Context to know more about what's going on there
07:55 gavitor Maybe something in the file or in the setup?
07:56 dcook Could be I suppose
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07:56 gavitor I have had a a look already, but I don't know what type of script it is first of all...what is the .pm suffix referring too?
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07:59 dcook a .pm is a module
07:59 dcook Hmm more undefined variables
07:59 * dcook grumbles about the EDS plugin
08:00 gavitor .pm stands for 'perl module' I take it?
08:00 dcook Possibly
08:00 dcook Probably :p
08:02 gavitor It's giving the error messages on whatever operation I to I shut down the KOHA and restart it?
08:03 dcook Ahh DisplayResults is run by http://imageserver.ebscohost.c[…]jaxGet/ajaxGet.js... that's annoying...
08:04 dcook gavitor: It's a web application, so the only way to "shut down" or "restart" it is to shutdown or restart the web server, but that probably won't do what you want it to do
08:05 gavitor OK...i'll try reloading the webapp.
08:06 gavitor Not working at all....I doubt it is the web server. Maybe mySQL?
08:06 dcook It's probably your configuration like you were guessing
08:07 dcook It's tough to know without a lot more detail
08:07 dcook And I'm about to leave as it's 6pm
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08:07 nlegrand hoo haa #koha
08:07 gavitor OK....I'll see what I can do...thanks
08:09 dcook You can hang around here a bit longer
08:09 dcook The Europeans are starting to wake up :)
08:09 nlegrand :)
08:20 marcelr 1020 here dcook
08:20 dcook Good morning then ;)
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08:29 cdickinson hiya, Francesca
08:29 Francesca hi
08:29 cdickinson you want to continue the VM thing?
08:30 Francesca maybe Wednesday - I have hmwk :(
08:30 cdickinson oh, lol
08:30 Francesca not lol
08:30 Francesca not lol at all
08:30 cdickinson I feel guilty for laughing out loud
08:30 Francesca stupid essay writing
08:31 Francesca you should
08:31 cdickinson I've got two things due tonight, though, so that's my penance
08:31 cdickinson and I haven't had dinner yet
08:31 Francesca lol
08:31 Francesca poor you
08:31 Francesca go and get some food
08:32 cdickinson judging by the smell that's wafting into my room, it's close
08:32 Francesca lol
08:33 cdickinson I've told myself I'll start my work after dinner, so I'll commit to that :p
08:33 Francesca lol
08:34 Francesca I need to go revise
08:34 Francesca bye
08:34 cdickinson alright, have fun
08:34 cdickinson or try to
08:34 Francesca yeah.. essay
08:34 Francesca goodbye
08:36 cdickinson lol
08:37 dcook Okies. I think it's time for this guy to go home
08:37 dcook Laters all
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09:46 cait @later tell wizzyrea can you please consider 14263 for 3.18?
09:46 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.
10:11 xarragon Quick question: The patches I make requires -p1 to apply properly in the root Koha dir. is that normal, or should I change something when running git-format-patch?
10:21 cait hm not sure what p1 is
10:21 cait how do you apply them?
10:21 cait git am -iu3?
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10:41 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
10:41 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 29.0°C (12:20 PM CEST on August 03, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
10:43 drojf up to 37° on saturday :O
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10:53 aagren Hi, is there a way to configure koha (3.20) to send mail through an external smtp server, other than "hacking" Mail::Sendmail" on the low level?
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11:45 cait aagren: yes
11:45 xarragon cait: No, just patch < file in the koha source directory.
11:46 cait xarragon: hm that's not how i ever did it :)
11:46 cait that's outside of git?
11:46 xarragon cait: Yeah I think I am doing it wrong.
11:46 xarragon Let me check the wiki
11:46 aagren cait: I can't seem to find anything about in the documentation
11:46 cait normally if you have a patch file, just do git am -iu3 file
11:46 aagren cait: how do you do it?
11:46 cait aagren: there should really be no hacking needed
11:47 aagren cait: agreed, but how
11:47 cait my coworker set it up, so i can't help with details
11:47 cait i think you just set it up in eht mta you use
11:47 cait and that can be anything, koha doesn't care really
11:47 aagren that is not what I need, and exactly what I have :)
11:48 cait I mean if you use nullmailer
11:48 cait you'd set that up to use an external smtp
11:48 cait i know we are sending all email from a central mail server
11:48 aagren I need to send directly to thirdparty smtp server because emails otherwise gets rejected, because this is the only one allowed to send as the needed domain
11:49 aagren nullmailer is a no go, because I need my postfix for infrastructure purposes
11:49 cait this might not answer your question, but we send it all from a central email address that is in our domain
11:49 cait and the reply to is the library email
11:49 cait to avoid problems with email rejection
11:49 cait nullmailer is just an example, i think people really use different programs there, including postfix
11:50 aagren as stated above I need thirdparty smtp as first mailserver
11:50 cait aagren: maybe you shoudl bring it up on the mailing list
11:51 aagren So the answer here, for now, must be: low level hacking is needed
11:51 drojf aagren: you should be able to do that with postfix config
11:51 drojf i dont see what low level hacking would be required
11:52 cait aagren: the answer is, we don't have the deatils for you right now
11:52 aagren I have edited Mail/ to directly use thirdparty mailserver instead of localhost
11:52 aagren because koha doesnt seem have an option for it
11:52 cait because koha expects that you configure that outside of koha
11:52 aagren cait: ok.. thanks
11:53 cait using the software of your choice
11:53 cait that's why there is not much koha configuraiton about email setup
11:53 aagren cait: dont think that is possible in my setup. If thirdparty mailserver sees that my local mailserver has been involed, it rejects the mail
11:54 aagren they are aggressive wrt to spam protection
11:54 drojf you can use an external smtp in postfix
11:54 aagren Jep, but that is not an option either
11:54 aagren I need to keep mail local due to infrastructure .. in local setup
11:55 cait hm, sorry, i think we don't understand the problem
11:56 aagren ok .. my local postfix needs to be as it is, and not deliver mail through the thirdparty mailserver
11:56 aagren because of the way our infrastructure is setup
11:57 aagren so I need to be able to tell Mail/Sendmail to use another server than localhost
11:57 cait i think it sounds like aproblem quite specific to your setup
11:57 drojf ok. if you cannot use your local MTA _at all_, then you probably really have to change it in koha
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11:57 cait koha is built to use the local MTA.
11:58 drojf still worth to ask on the mailing list, maybe others were in the same situation
11:59 aagren cait: that was the answer I was looking for - thanks :) sorry for the confusing description of my setup
12:00 aagren I think it should be possible to configure MTA in koha - cant remember many project in need of sending mail, where this is not configurable. But that is just my $0.02
12:00 drojf aagren: patches welcome
12:00 aagren drojf: roger that :)
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13:44 tcohen hi there
13:44 wahanui what's up, tcohen
13:44 tcohen broad networking issues
13:44 tcohen hi wahanui
13:44 tcohen #koha is there a kosher way of overriding the new() constructor when using Class::Accessor?
13:46 tcohen anyone?
13:46 wahanui Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
13:49 cait hm couldn't you write another constructor?
13:50 tcohen why would I do that?
13:50 cait into the pm where you are using Class::Accessor
13:50 tcohen ->new() is the most obvioius name for it
13:50 cait becasue... you are overiding it?
13:51 cait i think i might be misunderstanding... also my head has landed in my recent java course
13:51 tcohen Class::Accessor autogenerates the new() constructor
13:51 tcohen I expected it to be overriden by my own sub new {} implementation
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13:53 cait what do you want to do that the basic constructor doesn't do?
13:53 tcohen I'd like to set default values for some of the accessors
13:53 tcohen and check mandatory ones are passed
13:53 tcohen which sounds pretty basic
13:53 cait hm the default values i think you can do
13:53 cait[…]Class/
13:54 tcohen i don't find it
13:54 cait hm i think i shold stick to my tickets today
13:55 cait you can use it with a %fields ... but that's probably not what you want to do
13:55 tcohen the trick is to create a base package with another name, and make the desired one a subclass of it
13:56 tcohen cait: that works, and that's pretty much all that works it seems
13:56 tcohen that's why peple like Moose and friends I guess
13:56 tcohen things get tricky to early
13:56 tcohen *too*
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14:04 cait maybe
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14:19 nengard Hi all, i need some git bz help
14:19 nengard I did: git bz attach -e 14638 HEAD
14:19 nengard and got Failed to update bug 14638, status=200
14:19 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14638 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Needs Signoff , serials help wrong
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14:27 cait hm can hav emultiple reasons
14:27 cait which status did you try to set it to?
14:27 cait is yoru git bz the latest?
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14:27 cait i think there was a change to it after the bugzilla update rangi did recently
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14:33 nengard oh - how do i update git bz
14:34 nengard and i'm trying to change it to 'needs signoff'
14:34 nengard it's a new patch
14:38 cait you have to switch to the directory where your git bz repository is
14:38 cait and do a git pull or similar
14:39 nengard k
14:39 nengard off ot try
14:39 nengard to try
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15:05 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14548: Typo in help file for 3.20 ( <[…]a4687a850646f6f54> / Bug 14547: Typo in help file for 3.20 ( <[…]bf5875a315b3f6e53> / Bug 7143: New developers <[…]it;a=commitdiff;h
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15:10 tcohen hi
15:10 tcohen elasticsearch
15:10 wahanui elasticsearch is mosying along. I really ought to break out the bits I've had to build to support it, like Koha::Biblio and such.
15:10 tcohen elasticsearch api
15:12 tcohen cait, can't read you with this client
15:12 cait i turend it off
15:25 gaetan_B bye
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16:19 pianohacker @later tell cait ping me when you wanna chat
16:19 huginn` pianohacker: The operation succeeded.
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18:21 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
18:21 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 30.0°C (7:50 PM CEST on August 03, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
18:21 liw @wunder heidelberg, germany
18:21 huginn` liw: Error: No such location could be found.
18:22 drojf hm weird
18:22 drojf @wunder heidelberg
18:22 huginn` drojf: Error: No such location could be found.
18:22 liw oh dear, it's gone missing
18:22 drojf heidelmountain? :D
18:23 liw I meant to go there for a conference, but I'll cancel the flights now
18:24 drojf @wunder 10734
18:24 huginn` drojf: Error: No such location could be found.
18:24 drojf ok, it's gone
18:24 liw @wunder Espoo, Finland
18:24 huginn` liw: The current temperature in Viherlaakso, Espoo, Finland is 19.4°C (9:19 PM EEST on August 03, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
18:24 drojf yeah, better don't go there
18:31 cait liw: some koha libraries in heidelberg - i am sure it exists :)
18:33 liw okay, I'll go write my backup talks
18:35 cait pianohacker: forgot about our crazy time difference
18:36 pianohacker cait:yeah... silly europe :)
18:36 pianohacker you still up to chat?
18:36 cait pff
18:36 cait right now is not good - maybe a little later or tomorrow
18:36 cait ?
18:36 drojf "koha educator" is a cool name for a position
18:38 pianohacker cait: I can wait a bit if you have time tonight, or maybe early tomorrow my time? What time zone are you?
18:43 cait the same as berlin?
18:43 cait i am bad at timezones
18:43 cait like really bad
18:48 drojf mest :P
18:48 drojf which is utc+2 at the moment
18:48 drojf or, it is always that
18:49 pianohacker c'mon cait, your country only has one timezone to keep track of!
18:49 cait pianohacker: exactly, that's why I don't need to know it :P
18:49 cait but drojf saves me
18:49 pianohacker heh
18:49 drojf lol
18:51 * liw has a script to show what time it is in interesting time zones:[…]ripts/world-dates
18:51 pianohacker I do wonder why the british isles/portugal are the only ones to use UTC+0/1
18:51 tcohen because there's not too many places in the atlantic ocean?
18:53 pianohacker yeah, but what about france and spain?
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20:33 cait @wunder Konstanz
20:33 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 23.9°C (10:33 PM CEST on August 03, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
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21:22 wizzyrea nobody has any opinions about the new donate button on the koha-community website?
21:23 wizzyrea I feel like I need more there.
21:46 rangi oohh looks like a new pootle release is coming out today
21:46 cait oh cool
21:48 rangi[…]leases/2.7.0.html
21:52 cait hm speaking of pootle
21:52 wizzyrea tcohen about?
21:52 cait i was wondering thi smorning if we missed the string freeze for 3.18?
21:53 cait I noticed the german translations are not complete for 3.18 - at least there are missing strings on pootle currnetly
21:53 wizzyrea this last time yes, which is my fault because I had a failing test and couldn't push :(
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21:57 cait ah ok
21:57 cait did you get my later from this morning? :)
21:57 wizzyrea yep :)
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22:09 Francesca @wunder wlg
22:09 huginn` Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (10:00 AM NZST on August 04, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
22:16 TGoat gotta get those pdf's for my business cards from you. will you please send them to me?
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22:27 eythian hi
22:28 Francesca hi eythian
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22:55 BobB good morning
22:55 wahanui the only good morning is a dead one
22:55 BobB profound, wahanui, thank you
22:59 pianohacker a bot after my own heart
23:03 Francesca lol
23:03 Francesca hi BobB, pianohacker
23:03 pianohacker hi Francesca
23:04 Francesca hows the piano hacking going?
23:04 pianohacker excellent, I might actually be doing some piano hacking now that grades are in and teaching is finally done
23:05 Francesca yay! exciting times are upon us
23:31 eythian https://www.marshallheadphones[…]_en/phones/london <-- marshall makes a phone now
23:40 wizzyrea that is... I don't even know what to say
23:45 pianohacker oh my gosh, read the specs
23:45 pianohacker it's a 4.7" 720p display :D
23:48 pianohacker the s3 is calling from 2012 and wants its screen back
23:48 eythian yeah
23:48 eythian the smartphone-related specs are not too exciting

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