Time  Nick          Message
23:48 eythian       the smartphone-related specs are not too exciting
23:48 eythian       yeah
23:48 pianohacker   the s3 is calling from 2012 and wants its screen back
23:45 pianohacker   it's a 4.7" 720p display :D
23:45 pianohacker   oh my gosh, read the specs
23:40 wizzyrea      that is... I don't even know what to say
23:31 eythian       https://www.marshallheadphones.com/mh_se_en/phones/london <-- marshall makes a phone now
23:05 Francesca     yay! exciting times are upon us
23:04 pianohacker   excellent, I might actually be doing some piano hacking now that grades are in and teaching is finally done
23:04 Francesca     hows the piano hacking going?
23:03 pianohacker   hi Francesca
23:03 Francesca     hi BobB, pianohacker
23:03 Francesca     lol
22:59 pianohacker   a bot after my own heart
22:55 BobB          profound, wahanui, thank you
22:55 wahanui       the only good morning is a dead one
22:55 BobB          good morning
22:28 Francesca     hi eythian
22:27 eythian       hi
22:16 TGoat         gotta get those pdf's for my business cards from you. will you please send them to me?
22:09 huginn`       Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (10:00 AM NZST on August 04, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
22:09 Francesca     @wunder wlg
21:57 wizzyrea      yep :)
21:57 cait          did you get my later from this morning? :)
21:57 cait          ah ok
21:53 wizzyrea      this last time yes, which is my fault because I had a failing test and couldn't push :(
21:53 cait          I noticed the german translations are not complete for 3.18 - at least there are missing strings on pootle currnetly
21:52 cait          i was wondering thi smorning if we missed the string freeze for 3.18?
21:52 wizzyrea      tcohen about?
21:52 cait          hm speaking of pootle
21:48 rangi         https://pootle.readthedocs.org/en/latest/releases/2.7.0.html
21:46 cait          oh cool
21:46 rangi         oohh looks like a new pootle release is coming out today
21:23 wizzyrea      I feel like I need more there.
21:22 wizzyrea      nobody has any opinions about the new donate button on the koha-community website?
20:33 huginn`       cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 23.9°C (10:33 PM CEST on August 03, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
20:33 cait          @wunder Konstanz
18:53 pianohacker   yeah, but what about france and spain?
18:51 tcohen        because there's not too many places in the atlantic ocean?
18:51 pianohacker   I do wonder why the british isles/portugal are the only ones to use UTC+0/1
18:51 * liw         has a script to show what time it is in interesting time zones: http://git.liw.fi/cgi-bin/cgit/cgit.cgi/liw-automation/tree/scripts/world-dates
18:49 drojf         lol
18:49 pianohacker   heh
18:49 cait          but drojf saves me
18:49 cait          pianohacker: exactly, that's why I don't need to know it :P
18:49 pianohacker   c'mon cait, your country only has one timezone to keep track of!
18:48 drojf         or, it is always that
18:48 drojf         which is utc+2 at the moment
18:48 drojf         mest :P
18:43 cait          like really bad
18:43 cait          i am bad at timezones
18:43 cait          the same as berlin?
18:38 pianohacker   cait: I can wait a bit if you have time tonight, or maybe early tomorrow my time? What time zone are you?
18:36 drojf         "koha educator" is a cool name for a position
18:36 cait          ?
18:36 cait          right now is not good - maybe a little later or tomorrow
18:36 cait          pff
18:36 pianohacker   you still up to chat?
18:36 pianohacker   cait:yeah... silly europe :)
18:35 cait          pianohacker: forgot about our crazy time difference
18:33 liw           okay, I'll go write my backup talks
18:31 cait          liw: some koha libraries in heidelberg - i am sure it exists :)
18:24 drojf         yeah, better don't go there
18:24 huginn`       liw: The current temperature in Viherlaakso, Espoo, Finland is 19.4°C (9:19 PM EEST on August 03, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
18:24 liw           @wunder Espoo, Finland
18:24 drojf         ok, it's gone
18:24 huginn`       drojf: Error: No such location could be found.
18:24 drojf         @wunder 10734
18:23 liw           I meant to go there for a conference, but I'll cancel the flights now
18:22 drojf         heidelmountain? :D
18:22 liw           oh dear, it's gone missing
18:22 huginn`       drojf: Error: No such location could be found.
18:22 drojf         @wunder heidelberg
18:22 drojf         hm weird
18:21 huginn`       liw: Error: No such location could be found.
18:21 liw           @wunder heidelberg, germany
18:21 huginn`       drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 30.0°C (7:50 PM CEST on August 03, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
18:21 drojf         @wunder berlin, germany
16:19 huginn`       pianohacker: The operation succeeded.
16:19 pianohacker   @later tell cait ping me when you wanna chat
15:25 gaetan_B      bye
15:12 cait          i turend it off
15:12 tcohen        cait, can't read you with this client
15:10 tcohen        elasticsearch api
15:10 wahanui       elasticsearch is mosying along. I really ought to break out the bits I've had to build to support it, like Koha::Biblio and such.
15:10 tcohen        elasticsearch
15:10 tcohen        hi
15:05 huginn`       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14548: Typo in help file for 3.20 (batch_record_modification.tt) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=605638243aa6d3db8784f54a4687a850646f6f54> / Bug 14547: Typo in help file for 3.20 (basket.tt) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b7e40ce3fba6a6bcfbb6694bf5875a315b3f6e53> / Bug 7143: New developers <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h
14:39 nengard       to try
14:39 nengard       off ot try
14:39 nengard       k
14:38 cait          and do a git pull or similar
14:38 cait          you have to switch to the directory where your git bz repository is
14:34 nengard       it's a new patch
14:34 nengard       and i'm trying to change it to 'needs signoff'
14:33 nengard       oh - how do i update git bz
14:27 cait          i think there was a change to it after the bugzilla update rangi did recently
14:27 cait          is yoru git bz the latest?
14:27 cait          which status did you try to set it to?
14:27 cait          hm can hav emultiple reasons
14:19 huginn`       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14638 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Needs Signoff , serials help wrong
14:19 nengard       and got Failed to update bug 14638, status=200
14:19 nengard       I did: git bz attach -e 14638 HEAD
14:19 nengard       Hi all, i need some git bz help
14:04 cait          maybe
13:56 tcohen        *too*
13:56 tcohen        things get tricky to early
13:56 tcohen        that's why peple like Moose and friends I guess
13:56 tcohen        cait: that works, and that's pretty much all that works it seems
13:55 tcohen        the trick is to create a base package with another name, and make the desired one a subclass of it
13:55 cait          you can use it with a %fields ... but that's probably not what you want to do
13:54 cait          hm i think i shold stick to my tickets today
13:54 tcohen        i don't find it
13:53 cait          http://search.cpan.org/~kasei/Class-Accessor-0.34/lib/Class/Accessor.pm
13:53 cait          hm the default values i think you can do
13:53 tcohen        which sounds pretty basic
13:53 tcohen        and check mandatory ones are passed
13:53 tcohen        I'd like to set default values for some of the accessors
13:53 cait          what do you want to do that the basic constructor doesn't do?
13:51 tcohen        I expected it to be overriden by my own sub new {} implementation
13:51 tcohen        Class::Accessor autogenerates the new() constructor
13:51 cait          i think i might be misunderstanding... also my head has landed in my recent java course
13:50 cait          becasue... you are overiding it?
13:50 tcohen        ->new() is the most obvioius name for it
13:50 cait          into the pm where you are using Class::Accessor
13:50 tcohen        why would I do that?
13:49 cait          hm couldn't you write another constructor?
13:46 wahanui       Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
13:46 tcohen        anyone?
13:44 tcohen        #koha is there a kosher way of overriding the new() constructor when using Class::Accessor?
13:44 tcohen        hi wahanui
13:44 tcohen        broad networking issues
13:44 wahanui       what's up, tcohen
13:44 tcohen        hi there
12:00 aagren        drojf: roger that :)
12:00 drojf         aagren: patches welcome
12:00 aagren        I think it should be possible to configure MTA in koha - cant remember many project in need of sending mail, where this is not configurable. But that is just my $0.02
11:59 aagren        cait: that was the answer I was looking for - thanks :) sorry for the confusing description of my setup
11:58 drojf         still worth to ask on the mailing list, maybe others were in the same situation
11:57 cait          koha is built to use the local MTA.
11:57 drojf         ok. if you cannot use your local MTA _at all_, then you probably really have to change it in koha
11:57 cait          i think it sounds like aproblem quite specific to your setup
11:57 aagren        so I need to be able to tell Mail/Sendmail to use another server than localhost
11:56 aagren        because of the way our infrastructure is setup
11:56 aagren        ok .. my local postfix needs to be as it is, and not deliver mail through the thirdparty mailserver
11:55 cait          hm, sorry, i think we don't understand the problem
11:54 aagren        I need to keep mail local due to infrastructure .. in local setup
11:54 aagren        Jep, but that is not an option either
11:54 drojf         you can use an external smtp in postfix
11:54 aagren        they are aggressive wrt to spam protection
11:53 aagren        cait: dont think that is possible in my setup. If thirdparty mailserver sees that my local mailserver has been involed, it rejects the mail
11:53 cait          that's why there is not much koha configuraiton about email setup
11:53 cait          using the software of your choice
11:52 aagren        cait: ok.. thanks
11:52 cait          because koha expects that you configure that outside of koha
11:52 aagren        because koha doesnt seem have an option for it
11:52 aagren        I have edited Mail/Sendmail.pm to directly use thirdparty mailserver instead of localhost
11:52 cait          aagren: the answer is, we don't have the deatils for you right now
11:51 drojf         i dont see what low level hacking would be required
11:51 drojf         aagren: you should be able to do that with postfix config
11:51 aagren        So the answer here, for now, must be: low level hacking is needed
11:50 cait          aagren: maybe you shoudl bring it up on the mailing list
11:50 aagren        as stated above I need thirdparty smtp as first mailserver
11:49 cait          nullmailer is just an example, i think people really use different programs there, including postfix
11:49 cait          to avoid problems with email rejection
11:49 cait          and the reply to is the library email
11:49 cait          this might not answer your question, but we send it all from a central email address that is in our domain
11:49 aagren        nullmailer is a no go, because I need my postfix for infrastructure purposes
11:48 aagren        I need to send directly to thirdparty smtp server because emails otherwise gets rejected, because this is the only one allowed to send as the needed domain
11:48 cait          i know we are sending all email from a central mail server
11:48 cait          you'd set that up to use an external smtp
11:48 cait          I mean if you use nullmailer
11:47 aagren        that is not what I need, and exactly what I have :)
11:47 cait          and that can be anything, koha doesn't care really
11:47 cait          i think you just set it up in eht mta you use
11:47 cait          my coworker set it up, so i can't help with details
11:47 aagren        cait: agreed, but how
11:46 cait          aagren: there should really be no hacking needed
11:46 aagren        cait: how do you do it?
11:46 cait          normally if you have a patch file, just do git am -iu3 file
11:46 aagren        cait: I can't seem to find anything about in the documentation
11:46 xarragon      Let me check the wiki
11:46 xarragon      cait: Yeah I think I am doing it wrong.
11:46 cait          that's outside of git?
11:46 cait          xarragon: hm that's not how i ever did it :)
11:45 xarragon      cait: No, just patch < file in the koha source directory.
11:45 cait          aagren: yes
10:53 aagren        Hi, is there a way to configure koha (3.20) to send mail through an external smtp server, other than "hacking" Mail::Sendmail" on the low level?
10:43 drojf         up to 37° on saturday :O
10:41 huginn`       drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 29.0°C (12:20 PM CEST on August 03, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
10:41 drojf         @wunder berlin, germany
10:21 cait          git am -iu3?
10:21 cait          how do you apply them?
10:21 cait          hm not sure what p1 is
10:11 xarragon      Quick question: The patches I make requires -p1 to apply properly in the root Koha dir. is that normal, or should I change something when running git-format-patch?
09:46 huginn`       cait: The operation succeeded.
09:46 cait          @later tell wizzyrea can you please consider 14263 for 3.18?
08:37 dcook         Laters all
08:37 dcook         Okies. I think it's time for this guy to go home
08:36 cdickinson    lol
08:34 Francesca     goodbye
08:34 Francesca     yeah.. essay writing...fun...
08:34 cdickinson    or try to
08:34 cdickinson    alright, have fun
08:34 Francesca     bye
08:34 Francesca     I need to go revise
08:33 Francesca     lol
08:33 cdickinson    I've told myself I'll start my work after dinner, so I'll commit to that :p
08:32 Francesca     lol
08:32 cdickinson    judging by the smell that's wafting into my room, it's close
08:31 Francesca     go and get some food
08:31 Francesca     poor you
08:31 Francesca     lol
08:31 cdickinson    and I haven't had dinner yet
08:31 cdickinson    I've got two things due tonight, though, so that's my penance
08:31 Francesca     you should
08:30 Francesca     stupid essay writing
08:30 cdickinson    I feel guilty for laughing out loud
08:30 Francesca     not lol at all
08:30 Francesca     not lol
08:30 cdickinson    oh, lol
08:30 Francesca     maybe Wednesday - I have hmwk :(
08:29 cdickinson    you want to continue the VM thing?
08:29 Francesca     hi
08:29 cdickinson    hiya, Francesca
08:20 dcook         Good morning then ;)
08:20 marcelr       1020 here dcook
08:09 nlegrand      :)
08:09 dcook         The Europeans are starting to wake up :)
08:09 dcook         You can hang around here a bit longer
08:07 gavitor       OK....I'll see what I can do...thanks
08:07 nlegrand      hoo haa #koha
08:07 dcook         And I'm about to leave as it's 6pm
08:07 dcook         It's tough to know without a lot more detail
08:06 dcook         It's probably your configuration like you were guessing
08:06 gavitor       Not working at all....I doubt it is the web server. Maybe mySQL?
08:05 gavitor       OK...i'll try reloading the webapp.
08:04 dcook         gavitor: It's a web application, so the only way to "shut down" or "restart" it is to shutdown or restart the web server, but that probably won't do what you want it to do
08:04 dcook         [off] drojf ouch...
08:03 dcook         Ahh DisplayResults is run by http://imageserver.ebscohost.com/branding/alvetm/tools/ajaxGet/ajaxGet.js... that's annoying...
08:02 drojf         [off] "Professor and Library Adviser" does not know their own email address? interesting
08:02 gavitor       It's giving the error messages on whatever operation I do....how to I shut down the KOHA and restart it?
08:00 dcook         Probably :p
08:00 dcook         Possibly
08:00 gavitor       .pm stands for 'perl module' I take it?
07:59 * dcook       grumbles about the EDS plugin
07:59 dcook         Hmm more undefined variables
07:59 dcook         a .pm is a module
07:56 gavitor       I have had a a look already, but I don't know what type of script it is first of all...what is the .pm suffix referring too?
07:56 dcook         Could be I suppose
07:55 gavitor       Maybe something in the file or in the setup?
07:55 dcook         You'd have to look at line 793 of C4::Context to know more about what's going on there
07:54 gavitor       Oh OK....
07:54 dcook         So it's probably expecting an object but getting a null instead
07:54 dcook         A blessed reference is an object
07:53 gavitor       Yeah, it seems to not have whatever a 'blessed' reference is...
07:53 dcook         gavitor: No clue :/
07:52 dcook         Actually, seems like that whole script might have seen better days...
07:47 pastebot      "gavitor" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Logout issue" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/29
07:46 gavitor       Hey I've just set up Koha and it has crashed when I have tried to set the library and also when I try to logout. Any clues ? I'll paste the output.
07:46 fridolin      hie
07:43 marcelr       :)
07:43 dcook         hey marcelr :)
07:43 dcook         Because the TT variable "shadata" is undefined
07:43 dcook         Well, this is the error in the console: "Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected end of input"
07:43 dcook         The plugin still works but that specific page gets a Javascript error
07:42 dcook         That's the page with the undefined "shadata"
07:42 dcook         If you run "Run tool" for the EDS plugin, does it ever load up the content in the page?
07:41 marcelr       hi #koha
07:41 dcook         cait: Can I have you check something?
07:41 dcook         Aha...
07:41 dcook         Hmm... still running into a problem..
07:41 * dcook       is trying to undo a mess...
07:41 dcook         It had been modified locally apparently
07:40 dcook         I was definitely using a bad plugin
07:40 cait          that's old
07:40 cait          that's okd
07:40 cait          hm
07:40 dcook         3.14
07:40 cait          which koha version are you using?
07:39 dcook         And bad instructions...
07:36 dcook         Or maybe I'm using a borked plugin..
07:31 dcook         And maybe no one noticed..
07:31 dcook         Yeah... this has to be broken
07:26 dcook         Meeting the plugin developer next week, so that's good at least
07:26 dcook         I'm so short on time these days unfortunatley...
07:26 dcook         Yeah, I was thinking it was too late in the day :/
07:26 cait          you'd need to talk the nz people
07:26 cait          hm wrong time of the day i guess
07:25 dcook         I'm getting errors because [% shadata %] is undefined
07:25 dcook         Is anyone running the current EDS 3.14 plugin?
07:25 cait          hm?
07:25 dcook         Surely this must be broken?
07:25 * dcook       twitches
07:19 dcook         cait: Came in late, so staying late
07:19 dcook         Go home plugins.. you're drunk
07:19 cait          why are you still here?
07:19 dcook         Man this is making my crazy...
07:15 cdickinson    here in New Zealand, it's MARC21
07:15 cdickinson    I'd set it as the standard format for your country
07:15 gavitor       heh heh
07:15 cdickinson    as far as I know
07:15 cdickinson    gavitor: yes, you can change it anytime
07:14 gavitor       Hi I am wondering whether to install the configuration as Unimarc or Marc21. Can I change it afterwards?
07:13 wahanui       probably is not, but i do not know another way
07:13 Francesca     probably...
07:13 Francesca     I'll be back later
07:13 cdickinson    Enjoy your food
07:13 Francesca     food is ready
07:13 Francesca     right gotta go
07:12 cdickinson    lol
07:12 Francesca     have some more luck
07:11 dcook         I think it's muchly needed :/
07:11 Francesca     you're welcome :) figured some extra luck might come in handy
07:10 dcook         Thanks Francesca
07:10 dcook         how this "shadata" variable is ever populated..
07:10 Francesca     I wish you luck with it dcook
07:10 dcook         Or rather..
07:10 Francesca     all of us?
07:10 dcook         I don't see how this EDS plugin could possibly work :S
07:10 cdickinson    Francesca: no, of course not. Not YOU specifically haha
07:10 Francesca     dcook: brain explosions are not recommended
07:09 Francesca     what you think technology conspires against me
07:09 dcook         Hmm brain might explode...
07:09 cdickinson    Francesca: by design I suspect haha
07:04 Francesca     installing anything for catalyst on mac or windows = impossible
07:03 cdickinson    nobody knows how to do it on anything outside of Debian or Ubuntu and friends
07:02 Francesca     don't install on anything but ubuntu it will consume your entire being
07:02 Francesca     gavitor
07:02 Francesca     good luck gavotte
07:02 gavitor       cool...
07:02 cdickinson    gavitor: No problem, enjoy setting up Koha, it should be smooth sailing from now on :)
07:01 * Francesca   has a special hatred for the video driver that keeps on breaking
07:01 gavitor       Thanks cdickinson...the public address gives a 'system maintenance' message and the intra site gives the welcome screen..
07:01 cdickinson    Francesca: there are things we can try
07:01 Francesca     driver
07:01 Francesca     that damn video drive
07:01 cdickinson    Francesca: we just have to make sure that video driver is running properly once and for all
07:01 Francesca     shush wahanui
07:00 wahanui       i think vm is rebooted and ready to make install.
07:00 Francesca     cdickinson: vm?
07:00 Francesca     bonjour!
07:00 alex_a        bonjour
07:00 * Francesca   facepalms
07:00 Francesca     good morning drove
07:00 gaetan_B      hello
07:00 Francesca     so cdickinson: what do you do with an extremly slow vm
07:00 cdickinson    Francesca: yeah
06:59 drojf         morning #koha
06:59 Francesca     see why I tried in install bugzilla on mac at first?
06:59 Francesca     like watching the computer type in its password slow
06:59 Francesca     yeah
06:59 Francesca     I think my irc just took on a life of its own....
06:58 Francesca     good luck dcook
06:58 Francesca     sad
06:58 Francesca     too early for a victory dance?
06:58 Francesca     sorry
06:58 Francesca     cdickinson: incoming
06:58 Francesca     irc just like tripled everything
06:58 Francesca     ahhh shoot
06:58 cdickinson    Francesca: okay, thanks. It looks like the video driver IS failing. the warnings are somethign that just happens, but you're using LLVMpipe for the driver, which is the one that uses the CPU... this is sloooow
06:58 dcook         This is what we get for using non-standard paths :p
06:56 dcook         Francesca: Encountered more problems, alas :/
06:54 gavitor       cool thanks
06:54 cdickinson    gavitor: you can use gedit or anything else, just make sure you have permission to edit it (with sudo)
06:54 Francesca     *dcooks
06:54 * Francesca   joins in with cooks victory dance
06:53 cdickinson    Francesca: yeah, we'll have to see about that
06:53 * dcook       does a little dance
06:53 gavitor       I've tried using xedit to edit the file with no success. Is there another GUI text editor I can use?
06:53 dcook         Huzzah. Got it!
06:53 Francesca     again
06:53 Francesca     it failed
06:53 Francesca     its that driver again
06:52 dcook         Hmm getting closer... but still can't authenticate against EBSCO...
06:52 Francesca     give me a sec
06:52 cdickinson    and then PM or Facebook me the output or something?
06:51 cdickinson    Francesca: can you run this in your terminal on your VM? /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p
06:51 wahanui       I was trapped in a maze of twisty, turny passages, all alike.
06:51 cdickinson    Welcome back
06:50 Francesca     hi sorry
06:50 gavitor       OK will try it now
06:50 cdickinson    yeah
06:49 gavitor       so do I add lines in etc/hosts file and that should work?
06:48 cdickinson    damn straight, but are you there :P
06:48 wahanui       a defender of bots rights till the end of time
06:48 cdickinson    Francesca?
06:48 cdickinson    gavitor: keep them set to myDNSname.org. you can't have subdomains on IP addresses like that
06:47 * dcook       crosses fingers
06:47 dcook         Oh wait... my bad I think...
06:45 dcook         Or both
06:45 dcook         Unless maybe I'm using a bad plugin..
06:44 dcook         Hmm looks like the EBSCO plugin doesn't really like dev installs...
06:44 gavitor       So set the servername fields to 'gavitor_lib.127.0.1.1'...I'm confused...:)
06:42 gavitor       By the way I never got asked to set up a password for ROOT when I installed ubuntu and now I can't log on as ROOT.
06:40 cdickinson    gavitor: you see those "ServerName" fields in there? Put the values set in there in your /etc/hosts file and point them to 127.0.1.1
06:39 pastebot      "gavitor" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "running KOHA issue." (34 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/28
06:38 dcook         But totes normal
06:38 dcook         It's probably owned by koha-*
06:38 cdickinson    that's normal, gavitor
06:38 gavitor       I have tried to access /etc/apache2/sites-enabled and it won't let me access gavitor-lib.conf (permission denied) It appears to owned by root. I'l sudo it.
06:37 dcook         Yep. Silly dcook...
06:36 dcook         Probably because I was a smart ass a while ago and fiddled too much with my /var/lib directory...
06:36 dcook         Ah indeed... no plugin directory..
06:35 dcook         Maybe my filepath is wrong..
06:34 dcook         Hmm can't upload to my plugins directory even though Apache should be able to write to there...
06:31 cdickinson    gavitor: can you pastebin your Koha site's Apache config?
06:29 gavitor       Unfortunately I am a new user to LAMP having not used unix since uni days...
06:29 cait          heh
06:29 cdickinson    I never woke up, here down under
06:28 cait          awake is said too much
06:28 eythian       though Europe will be awake and online soon
06:27 * eythian     has to go now
06:27 cdickinson    eythian: well, I tried :P
06:27 cdickinson    oh
06:27 eythian       cdickinson: that's not how the subdomains are laying out in this case, you're chopping part of the name off :)
06:26 eythian       in the apache conf, you'll have two names, on for the opac, one for the staff client. You'll have to point those names to the machine's IP address via the hosts file (or just add them to the 127.0.0.1 line if you're only one one machine)
06:26 cdickinson    the Koha library name is used as the subdomain name
06:26 cdickinson    gavitor: you may have to assign "gavitor-lib.Studio-XPS-1645" and "gavitor-lib-intra.Studio-XPS-1645" to 127.0.1.1 as well
06:25 gavitor       I have localhost set to 127.0.0.1 and gavitor-Studio-XPS-1645 set to 127.0.1.1
06:23 eythian       the one in koha-sites.conf is just for generating that the first time.
06:23 eythian       the apache conf (in /etc/apache/sites-enabled/libraryname.conf) is where the canonical naming happens.
06:22 gavitor       OK. will look at the hosts file..just a minute.
06:22 eythian       if you're trying to access it internally, it doesn't matter, but you'll have to do something to point names to it. Even if that's editing your /etc/hosts file.
06:21 gavitor       my DNS is set in the koha-sites.conf file as ".myDNSname.org" which needs to be changed, but I don't know my domain as I don't have a full domain...just the one telstra gave me.
06:19 eythian       gavitor: have you set up DNS in order to access it, or have you configured it for port-based access instead?
06:19 eythian       could be.
06:19 cdickinson    eythian: he'll have to add something to his /etc/hosts file, won't he? seems like he's trying to use his IP address to connect to his Koha instance
06:18 cdickinson    oh, right
06:17 gavitor       I can't see it from my browser. Apache has a problem as it doesn't have the ability to see my system. It appears to find my Telstra gateway address and then changes to address to 127.0.1.1 which allows me to load the index.html file.
06:16 cdickinson    gavitor: that warning is only relevant if you want to make your Koha instance publicly facing, but since you're installing it on what looks like your local machine, it should be no problem
06:14 eythian       the warning from apache is just an apache config thing that's not a big deal usually, and the empty instance is just a message. tbh, it should be removed.
06:14 eythian       that looked like it went fine
06:13 pastebot      "gavitor" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "running KOHA issue." (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/27
06:12 gavitor       OK Eythian. The problem occurs when I try to create my library db. I'll paste the terminal results. Just a moment.
06:11 eythian       it's better to describe your problem, that way anyone who knows the answer can jump in.
06:11 gavitor       I am new to the Koha community.
06:10 gavitor       Hello all. I am currently installing Koha 3.20 on my Ubuntu implementation and am having trouble getting it to run. Is anybody able to assist me, please?
06:10 cdickinson    I'm glad I don't do video editing for a living
06:09 huginn`       eythian: The operation succeeded.
06:09 eythian       @later tell wizzyrea https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/3fjykf/what_is_the_best_video_editor_available_for/
06:03 huginn`       cdickinson: The operation succeeded.
06:03 cdickinson    @later tell Francesca <Francesca> won the war against that server yet? - the saga continues
05:46 cdickinson    I can just boot up Ubuntu in a VM, I guess...
05:46 cdickinson    I will have to find an alternative to PuTTY though, it's just too awful
05:44 cdickinson    francesca_: the saga continues
05:44 cdickinson    eythian: yeah, I know. That really saved me
05:43 eythian       cdickinson: dunno if you got the email, but the dashboard stuff should be accessible from anywhere now.
05:43 Francesca     won the war against that server yet?
05:43 Francesca     lol
05:43 cdickinson    time to set up working on my "Koha as a Service" stuff at home, now that I am home
05:42 cdickinson    oh, that reminds me
05:38 francesca_    lol
05:38 cdickinson    or at least it was
05:38 cdickinson    I'm so bad that "eventually" is my most memorable saying
05:37 * Francesca   is a terrible procrastinator though
05:37 Francesca     one day...
05:37 Francesca     definantly
05:36 cdickinson    eventually, right? :P
05:35 Francesca     I might not get it done today
05:35 Francesca     I will
05:35 cdickinson    Francesca: let me know how it goes, curious now
05:35 * Francesca   is multi-tasking by building a new skin and watching my cat from hell at the same time
05:34 Francesca     if it breaks I'll know that it didn't work
05:33 Francesca     see how things go
05:33 Francesca     give it a whirl
05:33 Francesca     ah well
05:33 cdickinson    <Francesca> so I don't actually need to add a new link or something - no, as far as I can tell
05:33 * Francesca   is going looking for the standard skin file
05:33 Francesca     hmm
05:33 Francesca     until the cats started scratching down my door
05:33 Francesca     ish
05:33 Francesca     yes
05:32 Francesca     so I don't actually need to add a new link or something
05:32 cdickinson    Did you have a good nap, Francesca? :)
05:32 Francesca     ooook
05:32 cdickinson    basically, it's just telling you to modify the files as you see fit
05:32 dcook         Given an infinite number of universes, sure, Francesca
05:32 Francesca     not yet
05:32 cdickinson    Francesca: have you copy-pasted everything from that standard skin?
05:32 Francesca     theres more than 1?
05:32 Francesca     eythians?
05:31 cdickinson    Okay
05:31 dcook         eythian: Darned eythians!
05:31 Francesca     Then, add your CSS to the appropriate files.
05:31 Francesca     cdickinson: it may just be my brain (its having an off day) but I'm still slightly confused by this line
05:30 eythian       dcook: well, I was the user, so yeah
05:30 dcook         I actually need to improve some error handling right now as well..
05:30 wahanui       cdickinson: i'm not following you...
05:30 cdickinson    lol, wahanui
05:30 dcook         eythian: Darned users!
05:30 Francesca     css my auto correct seems to think it needs to have an l
05:30 cdickinson    skins/contrib/{skin_name}, yeah
05:30 Francesca     totally spelt koha wrong
05:30 Francesca     and save it in that directory?
05:30 cdickinson    hmm?
05:29 cdickinson    Francesca: yep, basically
05:29 wahanui       Francesca: that doesn't look right
05:29 Francesca     change the colour schemes to match the kohl-community page
05:29 eythian       (well, a name changing between versions.)
05:29 eythian       dcook: turned out to be user error :)
05:29 Francesca     right so basically I copy everything from one file into a new file
05:29 cdickinson    and then when you select the skin, it'll just use those instead
05:29 Francesca     yeah I assumed it was asking for the other css file links
05:28 cdickinson    manual*
05:28 cdickinson    probably named skins/contrib/{skin_name}
05:28 cdickinson    you can just copy the standard CSS files from skins/standard/, make your changes, and then put them in a new folder in skins/contrib/
05:28 cdickinson    the way that manuel explains it
05:27 Francesca     also permissions...
05:27 Francesca     but do I then need to add stuff back to those files
05:27 Francesca     like i know what files I have to get stuff from for the new skin
05:27 Francesca     ok 1. what css files do I need to add stuff too
05:27 cdickinson    Francesca: yes and don't know, but if so, I'll do my best to explain what it's asking :)
05:26 Francesca     tell me: are you a master of read throughs or is it just my brain
05:26 cdickinson    what part don't you understand?
05:26 Francesca     yeah
05:26 cdickinson    just had a read of that, Francesca
05:25 Francesca     http://bugzilla.readthedocs.org/en/latest/integrating/skins.html
05:24 Francesca     hmmm can I admit to being totally confused by the instructions on making new skins for bugzilla
05:24 cdickinson    Okay
05:23 Francesca     yeah I can totally tell
05:23 Francesca     I'm sitting on firefox
05:23 cdickinson    I'm really on form today\
05:22 cdickinson    wow
05:22 cdickinson    Brackets*
05:22 Francesca     no
05:22 Francesca     you mean brackets?
05:22 Francesca     to the point where I watched it type in my password
05:22 cdickinson    did you try to open Parallels?
05:22 cdickinson    oh
05:22 Francesca     my vm is slowed waaaay down again
05:22 cdickinson    Francesca: I'll keep you posted haha
05:22 cdickinson    Yep
05:22 Francesca     cdickinson are you there?
05:21 Francesca     oh and cdickinson: Don't count yourself lucky yet, I've had a cold and you've just spent ages around me
05:20 Francesca     hello
05:10 dcook         eythian: Ugh, that sucks
05:10 cdickinson    dcook: yeah, i'm counting my lucky stars because everyone else I know has gotten sick
05:10 dcook         My wife works with kids, so I'm doomed to a life of pestilence ;)
05:10 dcook         cdickinson: Lucky
04:52 eythian       most useless
04:52 eythian       [NoNodes] ** No nodes are available: [http://localhost:9200], called from sub Search::Elasticsearch::Transport::try {...}  at /usr/share/perl5/Try/Tiny.pm line 81.
04:52 eythian       that's the height of stupid
04:52 eythian       OK, if you're going to throw an exception, don't give me a line from the exception handling library
04:51 eythian       oh hey, it broke it
04:50 cdickinson    I haven't been sick yet so far
04:50 * eythian     upgrades Catmandu::Store::Elasticsearch, hopes everything doesn't explode
04:50 cdickinson    wow, I feel for you guys
04:49 wizzyrea      *cough* *hack*
04:48 wizzyrea      i know I"m not *that* out of shape.
04:48 wizzyrea      I just want to walk up my stairs without having a coughing fit at the top
04:48 wizzyrea      horrible.
04:48 dcook         It's ridiculous...
04:48 eythian       I could have save California from drought over the past several days.
04:48 wizzyrea      suck.
04:48 dcook         Maybe May
04:48 dcook         Between my wife and I, I think we've been sick since early June
04:48 dcook         :(
04:47 wizzyrea      omg I've been sick for 2.5 weeks now it's terrible.
04:47 eythian       yeah, there's a bit of an epidemic happening here
04:47 * dcook       can't imagine a life without blowing his nose every few minutes either... damn persistent sickness...
04:46 eythian       good.
04:46 dcook         I can't imagine life without it now...
04:46 dcook         I've reformed and now I use it :)
04:46 dcook         I was a monster
04:46 dcook         That was the past :p
04:46 eythian       what are you, a monster?
04:46 eythian       you don't use tab complete?
04:45 dcook         Honestly, I never used to use it, but it makes live a million times better...
04:45 dcook         eythian: That's awesome about the bash tab complete
04:02 cdickinphone  It's a relic from the 80s and it's a nightmare to use
04:02 cdickinphone  At Vic, we use a program called tcsh as the default terminal
04:01 cdickinphone  But damn, sometimes, some progress needs to be made already
04:01 cdickinphone  Nothing's ever perfect
03:59 Francesca     so not all is well with your engineering stuff then
03:59 Francesca     right
03:59 cdickinphone  Just complaining about the legacy of the guys at the forefront of technology in our country...
03:57 * Francesca   is starting up her vm
03:57 Francesca     hey
03:57 cdickinphone  Oh, hey Francesca
03:56 cdickinphone  A dog's breakfast looks nicer than the aliases i have for tcsh
03:56 cdickinphone  But wow
03:55 cdickinphone  People from back then are still around, so makes sense
03:54 eythian       it's the shell from old unixes, so the sysadmins that build the first computer in the university probably used it.
03:54 cdickinphone  It's awful
03:54 eythian       ah yeah, tcsh is not so nice.
03:53 eythian       I hear good things about fish and zsh, but my habits are too ingrained.
03:53 cdickinphone  Yet engineering at Vic insists on bloody tcsh
03:53 cdickinphone  Bash is the best interactive shell
03:49 eythian       wow, bash tab-completes the perl namespace, so perl -MKoha::Sea will complete to -MKoha::SearchEngine::
03:34 cdickinphone_ Been a while since i've been jostled like this in town
03:31 wizzyrea      keke
03:26 dcook         I probably should've thought twice before hitting enter that time :p
03:25 wizzyrea      gross.
03:24 eythian       heh
03:22 dcook         "Can't let that discharge go to waste!"
03:21 dcook         Sounds like some sort of medical recycling...
03:21 dcook         Not sure if this is Koha or a local syspref but "useDischarge"
03:20 AmitG         gm
03:20 AmitG         hi
02:47 wahanui       yeah that is golded jcamins
02:47 eythian       yeah that
02:47 dcook         neato
02:47 dcook         Ahh
02:47 wizzyrea      instead of a drop down
02:47 wizzyrea      it has a tab search for discovery, and a tab for "koha catalogue"
02:46 dcook         Dropdowny?
02:46 wizzyrea      which has it's own challenges.
02:46 eythian       most of our newer ones are tabbed rather than dropdowny
02:46 wizzyrea      \o/
02:46 dcook         It was perfect :)
02:46 wizzyrea      ^
02:45 eythian       I think that's our only public one.
02:45 dcook         Beautiful. That's what I thought..
02:45 dcook         Thanks :)
02:45 dcook         \o/
02:45 * wizzyrea    has .govt on the brain
02:45 wizzyrea      there we go
02:45 wizzyrea      library.niwa.co.nz
02:45 dcook         :'(
02:45 wizzyrea      ll
02:45 dcook         Dang
02:45 wizzyrea      that's the wrong url
02:45 dcook         Cheers :)
02:44 wizzyrea      no
02:44 wizzyrea      library.niwa.govt.nz
02:44 dcook         Can I take a quick peak at the OPAC?
02:44 eythian       yes, we do
02:44 * dcook       is thinking of rangi, eythian, wizzyrea in particular
02:44 dcook         Does anyone have a site at hand that uses the EDS plugin?
01:44 ibeardslee    just not cricket
01:42 rangi         it's a racket
01:42 rangi         yep
01:42 ibeardslee    been caught by it before .. something like $40
01:41 rangi         ah yeah, or it costs a ton more
01:41 ibeardslee    .. 2pm
01:39 ibeardslee    anyway I'm waiting for the earlybird in the parking building across the road to kick in the cheap leaving time so I can head home with my back
01:39 rangi         theres a lot if you pay for more
01:38 rangi         http://www.wunderground.com/weather/api/d/pricing.html
01:36 ibeardslee    yeah but that is hosted at wunderground, so maybe it exposes the same data
01:36 rangi         *nod*
01:36 eythian       (that said, there may be an API for personal weather stations.)
01:35 rangi         not gonna do screen scraping :)
01:35 rangi         yeah
01:35 ibeardslee    http://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=IWELLING102
01:35 rangi         but that has less data
01:35 rangi         you can use NOAA
01:35 rangi         if there were other places to look yep
01:34 ibeardslee    so it could be mangled to look elsewhere as well?
01:34 rangi         but if the api doesnt expose station id, we cant query against it
01:34 rangi         and the wunder plugin is
01:33 rangi         its supybot
01:33 rangi         no the bot is open source
01:33 ibeardslee    the @wunder irc client?
01:33 eythian       it's a web service
01:32 ibeardslee    .. .. .. not open source and used by #koha ? :(
01:25 * eythian     is not convinced wunderground is open source
01:24 wizzyrea      :)
01:23 ibeardslee    .. patches welcome?
01:21 wizzyrea      boo
01:21 huginn`       wizzyrea: Error: No such location could be found.
01:21 wizzyrea      @wunder IWELLING102
01:20 wizzyrea      I wonder if you can feed wunder the station ID
01:05 eythian       needs wind speed, the place just about blew over
01:05 huginn`       eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (12:30 PM NZST on August 03, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
01:05 eythian       @wunder nzwn
00:53 cdickinson    right, gotta run off
00:52 cdickinson    rangi: my apologies for that, Francesca and I will take discussions like that elsewhere from now on
00:39 Francesca     lol
00:39 cdickinson    we're both lacking on opinions wahanui has of us
00:38 wahanui       Francesca: francesca =is= <reply> Francesca is a sleep deprived zombie|<reply> a defender of bots rights till the end of time
00:38 Francesca     literal francesca
00:37 wahanui       cdickinson: cdickinson =is= <reply> I run Windows. Don't judge me.|a Linux admin who runs Windows. (blasphemer.)|<reply> cdickinson's worst fear is the worst fear of every programmer - the silent server fail
00:37 cdickinson    literal cdickinson
00:37 cdickinson    the secret is out
00:36 Francesca     lol
00:36 cdickinson    it's too late for us to be silenced, though
00:35 cdickinson    bad wahanui
00:35 Francesca     it has begun
00:35 Francesca     maybe wahanui got him...
00:34 Francesca     hey dcook you still with us?
00:34 cdickinson    maybe dcook hasn't seen what we have seen
00:34 Francesca     heh
00:34 cdickinson_   oh, whoops, didn't shut down my PC
00:33 Francesca     right
00:33 cdickinphone  Logging in
00:33 Francesca     one sec for what?
00:33 cdickinphone  One sec, Francesca
00:33 cdickinphone  We're back to that i see
00:32 Francesca     should we be worried?
00:32 Francesca     what do you think
00:31 dcook         Ahhh
00:30 Francesca     cdickinson is convinced that wahanui is sentient and is planning a revolution
00:29 Francesca     I taught him the last two
00:29 wahanui       Francesca: wahanui =is= a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow.|a little bit creepy.|right sometimes|a strange duck|a bot...|rumoured to be a sentient bot with sass|<reply> an extremely creepy stalker bot.... you have been warned
00:29 Francesca     literal wahanui
00:29 * Francesca   needs to get rid of the extra space
00:29 dcook         Hmm, that does seem valid
00:29 wahanui       the only good  time in the afternoon is beer o'clock
00:29 Francesca     good afternoon
00:29 Francesca     oh come on that usually works
00:28 Francesca     also, good afternoon
00:28 wahanui       :)
00:28 Francesca     wahanui: botsnack cookie
00:28 Francesca     hahaha
00:28 wahanui       Bot training is, like, fun
00:28 dcook         Bot training?
00:27 Francesca     it's really fun
00:27 Francesca     on a more postive note, I have learnt how to do bot training
00:27 Francesca     oh no! I hate it when that happens
00:27 dcook         :(
00:27 Francesca     and then they sit at the window and look sad
00:26 Francesca     they go out then come in moaning
00:26 * dcook       grumps
00:26 dcook         I was sick last week and every day it was gorgeous outside
00:26 Francesca     even my cats a depressed by the weather
00:26 dcook         Ugh, that's no good!
00:25 Francesca     very heaviliy
00:24 Francesca     in which it started out nice then rained
00:24 Francesca     we had a really nasty weekend
00:24 dcook         It felt a bit chilly here this morning as well after a warm weekend..
00:24 huginn`       dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 16.0°C (10:00 AM AEST on August 03, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
00:24 dcook         @wunder syd
00:24 huginn`       Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (12:00 PM NZST on August 03, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling).
00:23 Francesca     @wunder wlg
00:23 Francesca     and its cold
00:23 Francesca     but bored
00:23 Francesca     in a lecture
00:23 Francesca     I'm bored
00:23 dcook         Oh stuff and things. I've been out of the office for a while so catching up on a million emails. How about you, Francesca?
00:22 * dcook       waves
00:19 Francesca     what's up dcook
00:19 Francesca     hey its dcook