IRC log for #koha, 2015-05-26

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00:18 tcohen hi #koha
00:18 dcook heya tcohen
00:19 tcohen hey dcook
00:19 tcohen wizzyrea: I didn't find how to change the community homepage to link to 3.20
00:19 * tcohen tried
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00:28 indradg hi tcohen
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00:34 wizzyrea Aha
00:34 wizzyrea right ok
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00:36 wizzyrea @later tell tcohen that should be fixed now - if you catch me some day I'll show you where it is
00:36 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
00:43 wizzyrea also, general reminder to file bugs on bugzilla under the "websites" component if you spot things you'd like me to look at.
00:44 wizzyrea @later tell tcohen also, at your (soonish) leisure, please push 14255 so I can finally make the website history automatic :)
00:44 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
00:58 wizzyrea note to self to revisit 13143
01:06 mtj hey #koha can anyone remember how to do an RPN query, via yazclient?
01:06 mtj rpn, looks like this btw..
01:06 mtj @attr 2=3 @attr 4=1 @attr 3=3 @attr 1=title "a"
01:07 mtj ..i can see a bunch of rpn commands in my zebrasrv log, and i want to test some of them via yazclient
01:08 dcook mtj: What's the question?
01:08 wahanui i guess the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
01:09 dcook find @attr 2=3 @attr 4=1 @attr 3=3 @attr 1=4 "a"
01:09 dcook That'll do it
01:09 mtj too easy, ts
01:09 mtj ta
01:09 dcook I think you might be able to use 1=title, if you point yaz-client to your Koha file
01:09 dcook np
01:09 dcook Hmm 897$%... that looks a bit odd
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02:23 * Francesca waves
02:23 dcook Arg...
02:23 dcook hey Francesca
02:23 wahanui I love the 11th doctor!
02:23 * dcook tries to recall how to handle 0 so it's true..
02:24 eythian context?
02:24 wahanui context is everything?
02:24 Francesca lol
02:24 dcook I'm checking to see if there is a value in $variable, but it's failing because it's 0
02:24 dcook I could just check if it's defined, but..
02:24 eythian defined()
02:25 dcook I suppose that should work
02:25 eythian that is its job
02:25 dcook Yeah, I feel like we've had this conversation before a few months ago
02:26 dcook I remember there being something interesting with one..
02:26 eythian you can also use // if appropriate.
02:26 dcook Nah, not appropriate in this case
02:26 dcook Ah, exists() is the interesting one
02:26 eythian deprecated for things that aren't hash elements, IIRC.
02:26 dcook So  your variable might be null, but because it was defined once upon a time exists() will still return true me thinks
02:27 dcook eythian: which?
02:27 wahanui which is irritating in its own way
02:27 eythian exists
02:27 dcook Yeah that sounds familiar
02:27 eythian never use it except on a hash
02:27 dcook Hmm, the documentation says arrays too
02:27 dcook Ah wait
02:27 dcook nevermind
02:27 eythian what purpose would it serve on an array?
02:28 dcook Good question
02:28 eythian >  Be aware that calling exists on array values is deprecated and likely to be removed in a future version of Perl.
02:28 dcook Yeah, I saw that after reading the first line :p
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02:42 dcook Hmm I wonder why we even have "link" in marc_subfield_structure
02:42 * dcook thinks perhaps this is a legacy column..
02:50 * Francesca waves at aleisha
02:50 aleisha hi Francesca
02:50 Francesca hows it going?
02:56 aleisha good, you?
03:08 Francesca busy with uni and orpheus at all that stuff but good
03:14 aleisha nice nice
03:15 eythian @later tell cait while rearranging my desk, I found a return ticket for travel between Mannheim and Konstanz on it.
03:15 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
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03:36 eythian 3.18.7 packages uploading
04:04 indradg eythian++  that was fast :)
04:04 eythian :)
04:05 indradg eythian: I've sent a pull request to mkfifo/koha-gitify for the 2.4 403 issue
04:05 eythian cool
04:05 wizzyrea < had you seen this indradg
04:06 wizzyrea that's probably what you want to link your pull request to.
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04:12 indradg thanks wizzyrea :) i had missed doing that (read as: didn't know :P)
04:13 wizzyrea :) sok, you were probably writing the patch as I was filing the bug
04:23 indradg yes.. couldn't help but remember how much time I wasted by missing that section in the wiki about the 403. I had it locally patched. And when you mentioned about it, i was like why not
04:35 wizzyrea I had the good fortune of clicking on the link to the official "Upgrading to 2.4" document from Apache. It wasn't in the actual document, but the solution was in the first comment!
04:41 dcook Hmm... looks like ./installer/data/mysql/en/marcflavour/ma​rc21/mandatory/marc21_framework_DEFAULT.sql might be missing some subfields?
04:41 dcook Or maybe I'm crazy
04:42 dcook Actually, I'm probably crazy
04:42 dcook Yes
04:42 dcook Definitely crazy
04:42 dcook Or rather whoever worked on this framework was crazy..
04:43 wizzyrea what are you finding crazy?
04:43 dcook Oh, just extra fields in the 264
04:43 dcook Someone just copied over all the fields from the 260 even though they don't exist in the 264
04:44 dcook Just updating frameworks and wondering what was going on there
04:44 dcook I shouldn't have doubted Bernardo :p
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05:05 dcook Hmm...
05:05 dcook I wonder why 952$j has an authorised_value of "STACK"
05:06 dcook I don't see an actual authorised value called STACK...
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05:25 Francesca good evening
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06:22 * magnuse waves
06:22 magnuse @wunder boo
06:22 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 9.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on May 26, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1010 hPa (Falling).
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06:45 reiveune hello
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06:51 magnuse bonjour reiveune
06:51 reiveune salut magnuse :)
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06:52 indradg @wunder kolkata
06:52 huginn indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 37.0°C (12:20 PM IST on May 26, 2015). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 27.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
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07:00 alex_a bonjour
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07:20 gaetan_B hello
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08:09 Joubu Hello #koha
08:12 magnuse bonjour Joubu
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09:03 drojf hi #koha
09:08 magnuse moin drojf
09:09 drojf hei magnuse
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09:46 drojf if i want to make changes to the koha-conf.xml defaults, should i edit or is there a better way to do it?
09:48 drojf i mean for local installation, not in a patch
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10:53 magnuse drojf: you want your changes to propagate to all new sites you create?
10:54 drojf magnuse: yes
10:55 magnuse then changing debian/templates/ sounds like the way to go
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11:40 indradg kia ora #koha
11:43 magnuse hiya indradg
11:43 indradg hi magnuse
11:43 indradg @wunder
11:43 huginn indradg: (wunder <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
11:44 indradg @wunder kolkata
11:44 huginn indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 35.0°C (4:50 PM IST on May 26, 2015). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 27.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady).
11:47 magnuse @wunder boo
11:47 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (1:20 PM CEST on May 26, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
11:47 magnuse double digits!
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12:13 mveron Hi #koha
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12:41 tcohen morning!
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12:52 tcohen wizzyrea++
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14:04 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12160: DBRev <[…]09f4dc4e02c4c65e2> / Bug 12160: Rename opacuserjs with OPACUserJS <[…]6f496abbe2e80bd9d> / Bug 12160: Rename intranetuserjs with IntranetUserJS <[…]767edc6bb9385d63a
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14:09 Joubu tcohen: Hi Tomas! Have you seen my comment on bug 14207?
14:09 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14207 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.fiol, Needs Signoff , Improving circulation performance by caching yaml file
14:09 tcohen hi Joubu, i saw it on my inbox, didn't reach it yet
14:10 tcohen i see
14:11 tcohen I think we could restart memcached on upgrade
14:11 Joubu tcohen: I suppose sysop using memcache restart it
14:11 tcohen we do
14:11 Joubu otherwise, a lot of weird behavior could happend
14:12 Joubu ok, so let's say sysop are careful
14:12 Joubu don't they? :)
14:16 tcohen they are, always, of course :-D
14:30 bgkriegel Hi!
14:31 bgkriegel Question: on Reports > Average loan time, did you see something on Sort1 and Sort2 dropdowns? (I get a list of numbers!)
14:31 nengard I just did a pull on koha and can't upgrade because it says I don't have dependencies installed - but it's the entire list of dependencies and I do have them installed ... ideas?
14:33 bgkriegel nengard: What you get from "perl -m -u" ?
14:33 nengard huh -- i get that all modules are missing ... but that makes no sense
14:33 nengard I had a working Koha install last week
14:34 nengard before this pull
14:34 pastebot "nengard" at pasted "perl -m -u" (149 lines) at
14:35 pastebot "nengard" at pasted "cpan Biblio::EndnoteStyle" (6 lines) at
14:38 tcohen nengard: master is broken
14:39 tcohen because of 6679 patches i think
14:39 nengard oh! Well that's good to know
14:39 nengard is there a patch I can revert or a way I can get it back to working?
14:40 tcohen give me some minutes i'll try to figure what the problem is
14:44 nengard thanks tcohen
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14:48 tcohen git revert 2ee1a35dfa91892474a7d10f8783dd95edbe7696
14:50 reiveune bye
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14:55 tcohen nengard: not enough :/
14:56 nengard k - didn't do it yet
14:58 tcohen Joubu: have you seen 6679?
15:00 Joubu tcohen: yes, I have signed if off :)
15:01 Joubu tcohen: does it break something?
15:01 tcohen rephrase: have you seen that it completely breaks Koha?
15:01 tcohen :-D
15:01 tcohen heh
15:03 nengard_phone completely! can't use it at all :(
15:05 Viktor On a side note: Would the same patron having different categorys for different branches obviously be a dangerous idea?
15:05 khall how did that not happen for me during qa!?!
15:07 tcohen maybe because of a perl version change between ?
15:07 tcohen eval has been known for behaviour change
15:09 tcohen oh, I see
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15:09 tcohen "eval $x;" doesn't have the same semantics of eval { $x };
15:10 khall yep
15:11 tcohen ok
15:12 * tcohen is not sure how to fix it and pass critic
15:13 khall me neither, reading PBP right now
15:13 tcohen (without rewriting it all of course heh)
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15:19 khall tcohen: it has to do with efficiency and it's not like we need this but of code to be very efficient, however from all my reading it should be working : \
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15:19 tcohen the problem is that eval { $x } just returns $x, right?
15:19 tcohen it doesn't take it as a sub
15:20 tcohen
15:20 khall right, but we aren't just evaluating a variable
15:20 tcohen originally, is case 1; with the patch is case 4
15:20 khall we are evaluating a require
15:20 pianohacker khall: context?
15:20 wahanui context is probably everything?
15:20 khall pianohacker:[…]39395&action=diff
15:21 khall this patch has borked the installer
15:21 tcohen search for "With an eval, you should be" on the page i pasted
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15:21 pianohacker thanks
15:21 pianohacker *blink* that doesn't work?
15:23 khall pianohacker: seems like it should
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15:33 tcohen the page clearly states that behaviours are not the same for 1-2 vs 3-4
15:34 xarragon My brain still refuses to adhere to the notion that 'Koha' is the development directory and 'koha-dev' is the actual installation..
15:35 tcohen xarragon: I use koha-src :-D
15:35 xarragon tcohen: I used to have all my projects under a directory named 'development' before I switched to 'src', I guess that's why.
15:36 pianohacker ... koha's folder hierarchy for the install directory frustrates me enough that I set up my dev installs by hand
15:37 xarragon Well, when I nuke this install from orbit I will at least change that naming.
15:38 xarragon But by then I guess my mind has adapted and then it is back to square one.
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15:39 tcohen ok, bbl, need to have lunch
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16:14 misilot is there a way to link to a sub group in the saved reports?
16:15 nengard define a sub group
16:18 Joubu nengard: I would be interested to hear your opinions on bug 14098 :)
16:18 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14098 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Regression in Marc Modification Templates
16:18 Joubu If you have some free time, of course
16:19 nengard will read up
16:19 misilot nengard: "Report subgroup"? I them created, however not sure if it can be passed into the URL or what the arguments would need to be
16:21 nengard oh! yeah ... not sure about that
16:25 nengard tcohen did you ever find a solution?
16:30 gaetan_B bye
16:34 nengard Joubu Replied
16:34 nengard not sure i was much help ...
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17:11 pastebot "nengard" at pasted "can anyone help me with this report, it returns no results" (13 lines) at
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17:33 indradg @wunder kolkata
17:33 huginn indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 30.0°C (10:50 PM IST on May 26, 2015). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 28.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
17:38 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12176: Fix for missing field_value in select <[…]32dd67f1532ddb73d> / Bug 12176: [QA Follow-up] Capitalization typo after eleventh hour <[…]595af4a00589424e7> / Bug 12176: [QA Follow-up] Small additem adjustments <
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20:30 magnuse kia ora cait
20:30 cait hi #koha
20:30 magnuse whoa the 3.18.7 upgrade had me scared for a while...
20:31 magnuse problem was i had two sites where i had not run the webinstaller yet...
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20:41 magnuse mmmm steak...
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20:44 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
20:44 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 14.5°C (5:40 PM ART on May 26, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
20:44 tcohen brr
20:44 tcohen no jokes from frozen countries please :-D
20:46 magnuse @wunder boo
20:46 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0°C (10:20 PM CEST on May 26, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
20:47 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
20:47 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 11.0°C (10:20 PM CEST on May 26, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
20:47 tcohen heh
20:47 * magnuse said nothing
20:47 magnuse ;-)
20:48 tcohen hola magnuse
20:51 * cait waves
20:54 pianohacker hello
20:54 wahanui privet, pianohacker
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20:55 magnuse kia ora pianohacker!
20:56 pianohacker hi magnuse!
20:56 pianohacker how are you?
20:58 magnuse pianohacker: busy busy busy - everything takes sooo much time
20:58 magnuse but being busy is good :-)
20:58 pianohacker yes indeed, in moderation. What projects are you working on?
21:00 drojf hi cait :) how did it go?
21:00 cait i tihnk it went well
21:00 cait got some positive feedback from the audience
21:00 drojf i'm sure it did :)
21:01 cait but nothing on twitter or anywhere else so far
21:01 magnuse pianohacker: migrations
21:01 cait sawyour email :)
21:01 pianohacker joy
21:01 cait drojf: will be an interesting conf i think - got the first appt at nine tomorrow
21:01 magnuse pianohacker: and after that there is the ill/ncip project
21:02 drojf nice :)
21:02 pianohacker two words which will strike fear into the heart of any of us
21:02 pianohacker cait: hi there! How's it going?
21:02 magnuse pianohacker: the worst part of it is being reminded how crappy MARC is
21:02 cait at ourbig library conf this week - so busy busy:)
21:03 pianohacker amen
21:03 magnuse (the worst part of the migrations that is)
21:03 tcohen amen
21:03 magnuse @karma MARC
21:03 huginn magnuse: Karma for "MARC" has been increased 0 times and decreased 14 times for a total karma of -14.
21:03 magnuse mohahaha
21:04 magnuse @karma marc
21:04 huginn magnuse: Karma for "marc" has been increased 0 times and decreased 14 times for a total karma of -14.
21:05 magnuse so pianohacker when do you start ful time on koha? :-)
21:05 pianohacker today! First day full time at ByWater
21:05 pianohacker :D
21:05 magnuse woohoo!
21:05 magnuse awesome!
21:05 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, magnuse
21:05 magnuse totally worth it, wahanui
21:05 wahanui magnuse: excuse me?
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21:06 magnuse you are forgiven, wahanui
21:06 wahanui ...but wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow.|a little bit creepy.|right sometimes|a strange duck|a bot....
21:08 magnuse geek_cl: chile?
21:09 geek_cl magnuse, yes
21:09 geek_cl magnuse, why?
21:10 magnuse just curious :-)
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21:10 magnuse is koha big in chile?
21:12 tcohen wb pianohacker
21:12 pianohacker hi tcohen
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21:12 Francesca good morning
21:13 tcohen nice to hear you're full time on Bywater
21:13 geek_cl magnuse, i think
21:14 pianohacker tcohen: thanks. Happy to be done with school and moving on to this
21:14 magnuse pianohacker++
21:14 magnuse g'night #koha!
21:15 geek_cl night
21:15 pianohacker bye
21:17 tcohen buenas noches magnuse
21:25 drojf good night #koha
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22:06 eythian hi
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