IRC log for #koha, 2015-03-30

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00:49 wizzyrea maybe we've talked about this before, but why isn't the manual the GNU Free Documentation License?
00:49 wizzyrea it's GPL afaict
00:50 rangi i can't remember why
00:51 jcamins I think there was a reason, but I don't remember what it was.
00:52 jcamins And the reason definitely predated my involvement. I just seem to recall someone telling me there was a reason.
00:52 eythian GFDL does have some issues
00:52 eythian Debian won't include it, for example
00:52 eythian it's to do with the non-variant sections.
00:52 wizzyrea oh, well that's a good reason.
00:52 * eythian is unsure where he sits on this topic
00:52 eythian but I'm happy enough with CC-BY-SA
00:52 eythian or even CC-SA for soemthing like documentaiton
00:53 eythian also creative spelling...
00:53 wizzyrea "
00:53 wizzyrea This manual is licensed under the GNU General Public License, version 3 or later
00:53 wizzyrea Learn more about this license in the GPL3 Appendix
00:53 wizzyrea Published: 2014
00:53 eythian hmm
00:54 wizzyrea def not CC-anything
00:54 eythian GPL isn't usually the best thing for documentation, but not the end of the world.
00:54 eythian to a first approximation, GPLed docs end up being cc-by-sa more or less, give or take.
00:54 jcamins Better than CC for source code.
00:54 wizzyrea ^.^
00:54 eythian yes
00:54 eythian definitely
00:55 wizzyrea mostly just wondering what I have to say in order to use a wee part of it.
00:55 wizzyrea also it's looking quite nice online lately: http://translate.koha-communit[…]/en/html-desktop/
00:55 wizzyrea tcohen++ bgkriegel++
00:57 eythian that page takes forever to load
00:57 eythian does look good though
00:57 wizzyrea hm loaded quick as a flash for me
00:59 eythian you maybe had everything cached
00:59 eythian I think it was just many images
00:59 wizzyrea mmm shouldn't
00:59 wizzyrea I don't think I've seen it looking that flash before now.
01:01 eythian it's 1.7MB of HTML alone, that's not going to load quick as a flash :)
01:02 wizzyrea ^.^ then yeah, I must have loaded sometime in the past, because it's definitely not slow for me
01:02 wizzyrea that was in the "before sleep" time.
01:02 eythian it takes 22 seconds to wget it :)
01:02 eythian and it has ~1,174 PNG files
01:08 wizzyrea ok mr smarty pants. :P
01:34 dcook Anyone around to answer some questions about koha-restore and koha-create?
01:35 dcook I've done a "koha-remove", but now when I try to do a "koha-restore", it gives me errors regarding Zebra indexes...
01:35 wizzyrea what are the errors?
01:35 wizzyrea did you do a koha-create to create the new instance?
01:36 eythian dcook: you know to report bugs better than that
01:36 eythian if you don't put the error message there, no one can help you
01:36 eythian I don't think that you need to koha-create first
01:36 eythian in fact, it might be bad
01:36 dcook Working on it ;)
01:37 dcook I was working on a different computer. Doing it here now.
01:37 dcook Yeah, I did koha-remove then koha-restore
01:37 dcook Copying errors presently..
01:37 dcook (They're still going)
01:38 pastebot "dcook" at pasted "koha-restore errors" (26 lines) at
01:39 dcook Most things seem to be restored OK, but no records come up :/
01:39 eythian hmm, koha-remove and koha-restore don't really get enough stress testing.
01:39 eythian I'd delete /var/lib/koha/library and use koha-create-dirs to make them from fresh
01:40 eythian then do koha-rebuild-zebra --full -v
01:40 dcook Yeah, that's what I'm thinking of, but was hoping there might be a better way ::/
01:40 wizzyrea isn't one of the ideas though, that you could just restore the files and not have to reindex?
01:40 eythian then do service koha-common restart
01:40 eythian yes
01:40 wizzyrea example on a huge db it'd be much faster to restore than to reindex :/
01:41 eythian you could carefully extract the files from the tar.gz too
01:41 wizzyrea practically though, eythian's suggestion is probably the way to go
01:41 dcook Ahh...
01:41 dcook Actually, I just tried restarting Zebra
01:41 dcook Turns out koha-restore doesn't start up Zebra?
01:41 eythian a) koha-remove ought to have remove /var/lib/koha/library
01:41 eythian oh, that's probably a bug
01:42 wizzyrea yeah, that's definitely a bug.
01:42 dcook Yeah, koha-remove ought to remove it as well
01:42 dcook Two bugs :D
01:42 dcook I'll file them once I finish working on the task at hand
01:42 eythian b) koha-restore should happily overwrite the stuff in there when it's extracting.
01:42 dcook Also that
01:42 wahanui Also that is a giant undertaking
01:42 eythian I think the mysql one is OK though
01:42 wizzyrea should it be happy to do that?
01:42 eythian it'll be a 'user doesn't exist' message
01:42 eythian wizzyrea: I think so
01:42 dcook I'm not sure about the MySQL one...
01:42 dcook I'm guessing that koha_library@'%' doesn't exist?
01:43 eythian yeah, so it should create it.
01:43 dcook I'd have to look at the scripts
01:43 wizzyrea the core usage of koha-restore was for a server move ya?
01:43 eythian or backup restore, yeah
01:43 eythian I mean, it could be better to do a test and fail early if things are still around, and allow -f to go ahead anyway
01:43 wizzyrea well koha-remove should definitely get rid of the stuff in /var/lib/koha/site
01:44 wizzyrea it's not removed otherwise.
01:44 eythian but almost everything in there is transient
01:44 eythian yeah
01:44 * wizzyrea feels funny assuming that
01:44 eythian even if it runs koha-dump with some special file path or something so that it's backed up.
01:44 wizzyrea I wouldn't mind a -f to force though
01:45 eythian but, if you're running remove, it's to remove it, generally I think.
01:45 wizzyrea like, it could give those messages, with the caveat "run koha-restore -f to force overwrite
01:45 wizzyrea or something
01:45 wahanui hmmm... something is sketchy
01:45 eythian yeah
01:45 eythian possibly
01:45 eythian I dunno, those things need a fair bit of love anyway
01:46 wizzyrea yarp
01:46 wizzyrea my feeling on koha-restore was always "use it for moving to a clean server"
01:46 dcook eythian: just noticed this:[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9754
01:46 huginn Bug 9754: normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , koha-remove does not remove the stuff in /var/lib/koha/
01:47 wizzyrea but for just reinstalling on the same machine better to do it a bit more manually (probably because I bumped into these sorts of things)
01:47 eythian dcook: apparently I've changed my mind in the past two years :)
01:47 dcook :)
01:47 dcook I may have put bug 13925 in the wrong spot... just in a bit of a rush atm
01:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13925 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , koha-restore doesn't start Zebra
01:48 eythian no, that's right
01:48 eythian all packaging scripts come under packaging, until we get a separate maintainer for them.
01:51 irma it becomes: [CALYX #1324] PIA : Creating a new shelf location
01:51 irma Then the body of the email:
01:52 irma I usually like to add links to the exact relevant page/s. So for PIA <>
01:52 wizzyrea Irma: you in the right channel there?
01:53 wizzyrea (sorry if you are)
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01:53 irma thanks wizzyrea :-(
01:53 wizzyrea no worries :)
02:23 mtj interesting /. ->[…]t-to-distributors
02:25 mtj gosh, koha manual is looking nice
02:29 wizzyrea haha I said the same thing earlier
02:29 wizzyrea eythian, poo poo-er that he is, noted it took 22s to wget :P
02:29 eythian yep.
02:29 wizzyrea so, pretty at the expense of speed :P
02:29 wizzyrea chief poo poo-er
02:30 wizzyrea well it makes me laugh. ^.^
02:30 eythian I wonder if it compresses it for transport, that'd make a huge difference
02:31 wizzyrea do not know, a question for bgkriegel or tcohen, I'd reckon.
02:31 wizzyrea Also possibly not loading the *entire* thing.
02:31 wizzyrea it's frickin' huge though
02:32 wizzyrea also sad trombone, the PDF's seem to be missing.
02:32 wizzyrea pdfs
02:33 wizzyrea oh the 3.14 one is there.
02:33 wizzyrea Wonder if it would be better to use their tech but on the server
02:33 dcook mtj: That is interesting :S
02:33 dcook I'm Spartacus. No, I'm Spartacus!
02:36 eythian Sparticus was Thracian, not Italian.
02:38 * wizzyrea snickers
02:39 dcook hehe
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04:36 dcook Nooo not the tag soup again...
04:37 bag :P
04:38 dcook Well, gotta earn my pay I guess :p
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04:40 dcook Oh yay... it was just a missing angle bracket
04:40 dcook :D
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06:22 * magnuse waves
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06:44 mveron Good monday #koha
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06:56 magnuse hiya mveron
06:57 mveron hiya magnuse :-)
06:59 matts hi
06:59 wahanui bonjour, matts
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07:01 alex_a bonjour
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07:09 fridolin good morning
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07:43 nlegrand Hey #koha
07:53 nlegrand I'm a bit puzzled by Bug 13918, patches doesn't apply on Koha src, because I don't have Koha/ and Koha/ files, what am I missing?
07:53 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13918 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add waiting expiration date to opac list of holds for user
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07:57 drojf morning #koha
08:27 magnuse moin drojf
08:28 magnuse nlegrand: look at the dependencies on the bug
08:28 drojf hei magnuse
08:28 magnuse if you trace it backwards it depends on Bug 13851
08:28 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13851 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Replace waiting holds logic in with Koha Objects
08:28 magnuse Koha/ and Koha/ are probably introduced by one of the bugs it depends on
08:42 nlegrand magnuse: ><
08:42 nlegrand magnuse: ho right... Thanks, I thought I looked dependencies, but I was wrong :)
08:47 magnuse :-)
08:54 nlegrand magnuse: ho it depends on a bug that depends on a bug that depends on a bug that depends on a bug that depends on a bug..
08:54 nlegrand art of choosing bugs to sign off
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09:16 magnuse yup, that was quite a long chain of deps...
09:31 mveron Welcome hkh!
09:35 mveron @wunder Allschwil
09:35 magnuse in norwegian, that is short for "his/her royal highness" :-)
09:35 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 11.0°C (11:30 AM CEST on March 30, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
09:35 magnuse 11!
09:35 magnuse @wunder boo
09:35 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (11:20 AM CEST on March 30, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 28.94 in 980 hPa (Steady).
09:36 mveron magnuse: ...but rather wet and rainy  :-)
09:37 magnuse ah
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09:51 Sherbs hello. looking for help setting up https for my koha install
09:52 Sherbs i have followed all the instructions i can find but when i connect only shows my the apache2 default page, telling me to " You should replace this file (located at /var/www/html/index.html) before continuing to operate your HTTP server.
09:52 Sherbs i dont know what to replace this file with to allow the https connection to connect through to my koha install
09:53 drojf Sherbs: disable the default ssl site
09:53 Sherbs how do i do that? i'm fairly new to this linux world..
09:54 drojf try 'sudo a2dissite default-ssl'
09:54 drojf or have a look at /etc/apache2/sites-available to see what it is called
09:57 Sherbs so i disabled that, but i was editing the default ssl file to enable the ssl connection to my staff access port?
09:59 drojf you should put that in the /etc/apache2/sites-available/yourkohainstance.conf file instead
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10:01 Sherbs is there instructions on how to add the ssl data to that file? all the info i have found so far is just about adding to default-ssl?
10:01 drojf where did you find that?
10:04 Sherbs digital ocean instruction file... i am appolying the same steps to my koha instance.conf
10:04 Sherbs and it works, i love you internet!
10:05 Sherbs thank you
10:06 * drojf feels loved
10:07 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
10:07 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 7.0°C (11:50 AM CEST on March 30, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.27 in 991 hPa (Steady).
10:07 mveron droif++
10:08 drojf hi mveron
10:08 mveron hi drojf :-)
10:10 drojf looks like library germany left for holidays
10:11 nlegrand :)
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11:50 ashimema it's quiet in here today
11:53 meliss Yes, it seems to be very quiet today.
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11:59 sophie_m In France we've lost one hour sleep last night ashimema
12:04 magnuse in norway too
12:04 magnuse people might be off on their easter holidays?
12:04 * magnuse is just busy
12:05 sophie_m in France easter holidays are not on Easter :)
12:07 magnuse sophie_m: huh?
12:07 magnuse kia ora Viktor
12:07 Viktor Kia ora Magnuse
12:08 magnuse glad påsk!
12:09 magnuse in norway half of wednesday is a day off for most people, as well as thursday, friday and monday
12:10 magnuse nots of people take wednesday off to, which is what i am going to do
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12:10 magnuse s/nots/lots/
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12:10 magnuse ooh, ashimema_ got the cloning to work!
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12:15 sophie_m only monday after Easter is off in France. And school holidays that used to be on Easter are now often later (begining of May for us in Marseille this year)
12:15 sophie_m magnuse: ^
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12:16 magnuse sophie_m: ah
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12:19 tcohen momrning
12:20 magnuse kia ora tcohen
12:21 tcohen where is cait?
12:21 wahanui cait is lookign forward to the API discussion
12:23 magnuse wandering randomly about, looking for the API discussion?
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12:25 tcohen @seen cait
12:25 huginn tcohen: cait was last seen in #koha 15 hours, 45 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <cait> @later tell khall could you take a look at bug 13380 please? it has a database update fix for master
12:25 tcohen oh, so I missed her
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12:28 magnuse well, look who's here!
12:28 magnuse kia ora cait
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12:40 tcohen hi cait
12:41 francharb good morning tcohen
12:41 tcohen hi francharb
12:54 magnuse i think cait is ignoring us
12:55 ashimema_ cait!
12:55 cait hi all
12:55 cait kinda back
12:56 magnuse kinda hello, then ;-)
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13:02 tcohen anyone familiar with suspension days?
13:02 tcohen i need to understand the desired logic fr suspension days calculation when using hourly loans
13:03 * magnuse wanders off to re-heat yesterdays roasted leg of lamb
13:03 * tcohen grilled a full lamb last saturday
13:03 tcohen (first time)
13:04 cait wow
13:04 cait tcohen: hm not sure - we don't use suspension days around here
13:04 cait maybe Joubu knows - i think it's a 'french' feature
13:05 tcohen morning Joubu
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13:24 cait hmm looking for a bug about html notices and advanced notices...
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13:37 cait hm could someone confirm if html predue notices work in 3.18? or anything above 3.12.6 really?
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14:25 Joubu nengard: Hi, I confirm you bug 7561 works for me... :-/
14:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7561 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , cannot fast catalog with fast cataloging permissions
14:26 Joubu Could you confirm the frameworkcode for your "Fast Add Framework" is "FA"?
14:26 nengard Joubu you saw my video right? maybe it's something to do with other permissions? or something to do with marc21?
14:26 nengard it is FA
14:26 Joubu hum, weird
14:27 nengard it's a fresh install
14:27 nengard so it's the default FA
14:29 Joubu nengard: Maybe there is a check somewhere with another permissions
14:29 Joubu I gonna check the code again
14:30 Joubu nengard: ok got it
14:30 nengard so it wasn't me?? :)
14:31 Joubu no, it was me :)
14:32 nengard whew :)
14:32 nengard let me know when you're done and i'll test again
14:33 Joubu nengard: new patch sent
14:37 nengard will test after off the phone
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15:14 fridolin see u
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15:15 Joubu Does someone know if opac/ is still in used?
15:18 tcohen nope
15:21 tcohen hi Joubu
15:24 cait hm i think it still owkrs
15:25 cait isn't that the calendar thing for your checkouts?
15:25 cait oh
15:25 cait it's broken
15:26 cait The 'day' parameter ("23T23") to DateTime::new did not pass the 'an integer which is a possible valid day of month' callback  at /usr/lib/perl5/ line 199 DateTime::new(undef, 'day', '23T23', 'month', 04, 'year', 2015, 'hour', 9, ...) called at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/ line 66
15:26 tcohen Joubu: 13892
15:26 tcohen it changes Koha::Objects ?
15:27 cait tcohen: Joubu: maybe it could be fixed? I think it used to work - should give you a calendar file for your checkouts
15:28 Joubu tcohen: yes
15:29 Joubu tcohen: actually I just pass a parameter to the search method
15:29 Joubu tcohen: it's already done by another patch, but not pushed yet
15:29 tcohen which one?
15:29 wahanui i guess which one is that? The fixed navbar?
15:29 Joubu tcohen: no idea
15:29 tcohen ok
15:29 tcohen khall?
15:29 wahanui hmmm... khall is volunteering to come over and fix it for you, it seems. ;)
15:30 Joubu tcohen: Bug 11431 [4] - Add additional sound options
15:30 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11431 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Add additional sound options for warnings
15:30 khall wait, what have I volunteered for? ; )
15:31 nengard LOL
15:31 cait nengard: agreed about hte pref
15:31 nengard :)
15:31 Joubu khall: that's good to know ;)
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15:48 nengard joubu++
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16:19 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5786: Correction: Removed erroneous holdability check from <[…]f62861cc565edd3f9> / Bug 11900 - OPAC cart can confuse patrons <[…]60c77268efe0e6065> / Bug 13894: Fix if the search returns only 1 result <
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16:24 tcohen Joubu: what is the status of the kohaversion patch?
16:26 Joubu tcohen: bug 13758?
16:26 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13758 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, In Discussion , KOHAVERSION should be statically set
16:27 Joubu tcohen: sent to the NSO queue
16:30 tcohen thanks
16:31 gmcharlt (so that we don't inundate the library - I sent an email to that library that had sent a password to the Koha mailing list rather than the intended patron)
16:34 tcohen ouch
16:34 tcohen hi gmcharlt
16:49 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9120: Prevent form submission on adding tags - OPAC <[…]eec444b6a8f728b21> / Bug 11982 - Images now display properly in the details section. <[…]358f9486b96fba705> / Bug 11982 - Fixed the amazon no image icon. <
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17:23 tcohen bye #koha
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18:03 Krixvar Hey all, having some issues with the backup command - it works great to the default location but I can't get it to save to another directory
18:15 Krixvar It seems that its always writing to /var/spool/koha regardless of different --output options
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19:38 cait @later tell rangi bug 13930
19:38 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
20:07 cait @wunder Konstanz
20:07 huginn cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 10.0°C (10:06 PM CEST on March 30, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
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21:19 * cait waves
21:23 eythian hi
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