IRC log for #koha, 2014-11-07

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00:09 dcook bag: If Kyle updates it, I think there would be lots of people to test and sign off on it
00:11 wizzyrea heh, ther'ed probably be a massive collision with people falling over each other to get the signoff.
00:11 wizzyrea ;)
00:12 dcook hehe
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01:11 dcook :o
01:11 dcook maryj!
01:11 dcook Hmm, maybe a bit too late in the evening for you to be around
01:11 dcook Cool seeing another SLAISer around here :)
01:24 mtj hi #koha
01:25 dcook yo mtj
01:25 wizzyrea whattup mtj
01:25 mtj do people feel about a patch to improve the OPAC footer behaviour/positioning?
01:26 dcook Burn it with fire!
01:26 wizzyrea if this is about the fact that sometimes it shows up above the main content, then I am for it.
01:26 dcook Actually, I don't know
01:26 dcook wizzyrea: When does that happen?
01:26 wizzyrea on bootstrap, on certain pages
01:26 mtj this has been a bit of a touchy issue, previously
01:26 wizzyrea it's in my logs sec
01:26 wizzyrea oh?
01:26 dcook I don't think we really use the footer much
01:27 wizzyrea when a user is not logged in and they get the login page, the footer is actually above the main content in the template, case and point http://corr-design.koha.cataly[…]koha/
01:27 wizzyrea actually that url won't work
01:27 wizzyrea but the description is the same.
01:27 mtj basically, a patch to force the footer to the bottom of the screen, rather than having it float half-way up the screen
01:27 wizzyrea hm.
01:28 mtj heres an example of the 'bug' ->
01:28 wizzyrea devil's advocate: can't you do that with custom styles pretty easily?
01:28 wizzyrea < example
01:29 mtj the fix, would have the footer sitting at the bottom of the page
01:30 wizzyrea I wouldn't be opposed to making every bootstrap koha work like that one I just linked.
01:30 mtj looks nice wiz!
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01:30 wizzyrea I can't take credit, it goes to our super whiz designers
01:31 dcook Hmm
01:31 mtj its not usually such a problem - as most live kohas have enuff OPAC content to push the footer down
01:31 mtj ...but, a default OPAC shows the 'bug' pretty well
01:31 dcook Yeah, that's a tough one
01:32 dcook I wouldn't necessarily call it a bug
01:32 dcook Lots of sites are like that
01:32 dcook Stylistically though, I would prefer it at the very bottom like you're both saying though
01:32 dcook I don't know if all librarians would agree with me though
01:33 dcook Catalyst sites are so pretty :)
01:33 wizzyrea to me, it seems "easy" enough to fix it with styles that I don't worry about it
01:33 dcook Yeah, I can't say it's ever come up with us
01:33 dcook But I don't know whether our users would care one way or another about it
01:35 mtj i'll probably just fix it myself too...
01:35 wizzyrea dunno, it would probably annoy libraries that are using bootstrap who expect it to be the way it is.
01:35 wizzyrea :/
01:35 mtj ...but i thought it might be nice to 'fix' it for everyone, while i was at it
01:36 wizzyrea dunno, I can't say for sure
01:36 wizzyrea libraries are titchy about design.
01:36 wizzyrea oh, mtj (and dcook) opinion time
01:36 wizzyrea so you're used to this
01:37 wizzyrea I've had comments that it's a confusing layout
01:37 dcook ?
01:37 wizzyrea so I came up with
01:37 mtj but hey, i'm sure there is someone out that would be super-pissed that their floating footer, just got moved to the bottom of the screen
01:37 wizzyrea and I just want to know what people think
01:37 dcook Hmm
01:37 dcook Is that what they meant about the layout being confusing?
01:38 dcook Maybe another heading over the search fields
01:38 dcook Saying something like...
01:38 dcook "Search Fields"
01:38 dcook Well "Search fields"
01:38 wizzyrea well the two column
01:38 mtj wizzyrea:  looks way better
01:38 wizzyrea the comment was
01:38 wizzyrea or the question really
01:38 wizzyrea was "can I search title and author at the same time"
01:38 wizzyrea of course we know you can
01:38 dcook Ahhh
01:38 wizzyrea but the interface doesn't suggest that
01:38 dcook Fair enough
01:38 dcook Yeah, the two column design looks way better
01:38 wizzyrea as it is now
01:39 dcook Sorry
01:39 dcook I mean  your design is better
01:39 dcook As in one column for targets and one column for fields
01:39 mtj the new design make way more sense
01:39 * dcook hates adding new fields when the "search fields" take up two columns on their own
01:39 wizzyrea (not reflected in that screen cap is the fact that I've rearranged the fields from perceived most used to least used)
01:40 dcook Nice ;)
01:40 wizzyrea so ISBN, ISSN, Title, Author, Raw, the rest
01:40 dcook Personally, I dislike the "Raw (any)" label
01:40 dcook I think "Keyword" would make more sense
01:40 wizzyrea yea, was thinking of changing that but worried that it was z39.50 terminology that made sense to everyone but me.
01:40 dcook I don't know where "Raw" comes from
01:40 wizzyrea maybe Keyword (Raw)
01:40 dcook "Any" makes sense as it is the "any" index
01:41 wizzyrea or something
01:41 wahanui something is sketchy
01:41 dcook Keyword (any) maybe
01:41 dcook But I think "Keyword" is probably sufficient
01:41 * dcook has read through a lot of bib-1/z39.50 docs
01:42 dcook Trying to recall what Standard ID is...
01:42 wizzyrea the other thing I like about my proposed idea (this was an observation from last night by someone) is that you can fit more targets without scrolling.
01:42 dcook (Unrelated: that moment when you're wondering why a file didn't come through the build process.. and you realize that someone added the file to the git after you ran the original build. D'oh!)
01:42 wizzyrea doh
01:42 dcook wizzyrea: Yes!
01:42 dcook So much that
01:42 wizzyrea that's super annoying.
01:43 dcook Wait. That's not what I thought.
01:43 dcook But that too!
01:44 wizzyrea no, your thing is annoying, fitting more targets is good I think.
01:44 wizzyrea in case we were confusing each other
01:44 dcook No idea :)
01:44 dcook In any case, I think that your thoughts are good ones
01:44 dcook The only thing I'd change is "Raw (any)" to "Keyword", but that's just me.
01:44 dcook I might do that myself one day
01:45 wizzyrea right cool, ok that's overwhelmingly, so far, in favour of the general layout change
01:45 dcook Actually, I think I've already changed it on the Authorities Z39.50 search..
01:45 wizzyrea oh yeah, I'll make that part of this "general revamp"
01:45 dcook Ah, I put "Keyword (any):" for the authorities z39.50 search
01:46 dcook You could redo that layout as well while you're at it
01:46 wizzyrea may do actually - which page is it?
01:46 dcook cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/
01:46 wizzyrea if it's similar, better to do it than not do it
01:46 dcook I should've done a better job on the auth z3950 search... but it was a time crunch :/
01:46 dcook The whole z3950 system could use an overhaul, but...
01:46 dcook It works :)
01:47 wizzyrea oh yeah, I'll do that one
01:47 wizzyrea in fact I'll make them both consistent thanks for pointing that out
01:47 wizzyrea it's a personal project so...
01:48 dcook Consistent?
01:49 dcook Not all the fields for the authority search will be the same for the bibliographic search O_o
01:49 dcook Although maybe you just mean layout?
01:49 wizzyrea i mean design wise
01:49 dcook In any case, yay wizzyrea!
02:05 mtj indeed :)
02:08 mtj peeps, a random interwebs meme question. what is this? ->
02:08 dcook No idea
02:08 dcook Where's eythian when you need him :p
02:09 mtj yeah, i know
02:09 dcook Ok, I've been on the computer non-stop for over 4 hours
02:09 dcook bbiab
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02:10 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
02:11 mtj ...looks like its a walama
02:11 mtj hiya mtompset
02:14 mtompset walama?
02:14 mtompset Greetings, mtj.
02:14 mtompset I hate a code change triggering inexplicable errors.
02:15 mtj me too
02:16 mtompset I'm getting memcache kabooms.
02:16 dcook I hate inexplicable errors triggering code changes.
02:16 dcook On that note, I'm actually going for a walk
02:17 dcook Good luck with memcache, mtompset!
02:17 mtompset And I don't even know why? I know where in the code, but this new caching system that was added .... I don't understand why GetMarcStructure() would trigger it.
02:19 pastebot "mtompset" at pasted "My current exploding prove -v t/db_dependent/Biblio.t" (2 lines) at
02:44 mtompset Hmmm... seems related to bug 12800...
02:44 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12800 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Can't access MARC bibliographic frameworks and other pages
02:44 mtompset I put $ENV{ MEMCACHED_NAMESPACE } = 'unit_tests'; into the t/db_dependent/Biblio.t and my preliminary test works.
02:46 mtompset Okay, now I get it.
02:59 * mtompset grumbles about permissions. :)
03:51 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
03:51 mtompset I got Bug 11592 all cleaned up again. Perhaps someone can sign it off. :)
03:51 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11592 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , opac detail scripts do not respect MARC tag visibility
04:18 mtj hey wizzyrea, dcook - i think this is basically what im suggesting as a fix to the OPAC footer
04:18 mtj
04:19 mtj sticky footer, for the win
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06:56 * magnuse waves
06:58 * cait waves back
06:59 magnuse ooh, friday!
06:59 wahanui friday is pizzaday!
06:59 cait :)
06:59 cait $bbCait-12
06:59 cait ignore that.
06:59 * magnuse will
06:59 cait friday is also the day i have to go to bed early because i have to catch a bus in the morning because of train strike...
06:59 wahanui okay, cait.
06:59 magnuse ouch
07:00 magnuse pizzaday!
07:00 magnuse pizzaday is friday
07:31 dcook Friday is also the day that dcook bought presale tickets to see Mogwai at the Sydney Opera House
07:31 wahanui okay, dcook.
07:31 * dcook does a little dance
07:31 dcook D'oh
07:31 dcook wahanui forget friday
07:31 wahanui dcook: I forgot friday
07:31 dcook good
07:31 dcook friday?
07:32 dcook That's right
07:32 wahanui no it's not.
07:32 dcook Shhh
07:32 dcook Have a good weekend everyone :)
07:32 * dcook dashes
07:34 magnuse have fun dcook
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07:42 reiveune hello
07:42 wahanui hi, reiveune
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07:51 magnuse @wunder boo
07:51 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 1.0°C (8:20 AM CET on November 07, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
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07:57 alex_a bonjour
07:57 wahanui bidet, alex_a
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08:22 gaetan_B hello
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08:33 wizzybobizzy hallo
09:05 ashimema morning #koha
09:55 paxed so, any suggestions where to start looking when searching just gives me "zebrasrv(1) 00e720b5 [request] Search biblios ERROR 109"
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10:34 mveron Hi #koha
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11:21 paxed INSTALL should have at the top something along the lines of "If you're installing on Debian, see INSTALL.debin, etc"
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12:20 tcohen morning!
12:20 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
12:20 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 28.8°C (9:20 AM ART on November 07, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
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12:28 tcohen @seen marcelr
12:28 huginn tcohen: marcelr was last seen in #koha 1 day, 1 hour, 31 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <marcelr> thx Joubu++
12:37 magnuse @wunder boo
12:37 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (1:20 PM CET on November 07, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
12:37 magnuse tcohen: you win! ;-)
12:42 tcohen hi magnuse
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12:51 cait mornign tcohen :)
12:51 magnuse ¡hola tcohen!
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13:02 oleonard Hi #koha
13:11 cait hi oleonard :)
13:31 oleonard Wow AJAX circ checkin (using the checkboxes) is just spinning away forever in my test system
13:31 cait hm try to force releoad
13:32 oleonard Script timed out before returning headers: checkin
13:32 cait it sometimes happened for me if it didn't like something (like i forgot to do a databaseupdate)
13:32 oleonard Timeout waiting for output from CGI script
13:32 cait oleonard: your database has all the updates?
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13:42 oleonard New AJAC circ bug: Bug 13221
13:42 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13221 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Waiting holds information doesn't disappear from checkout page after hold is checked out
13:43 oleonard ...AJAX that is.
13:48 cait hm not sure it's a bug
13:48 cait the page is not reloaded
13:48 cait you'd have to make the waiting hold message and all ajax too iguess
13:49 oleonard It's a bug, it's just not easy to fix.
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13:54 cait oleonard: a problem of the new system... but i still prefer it over the waiting holds not showing up at all
13:55 cait oleonard: is the holds tab correct in that case?
13:55 oleonard It probably depends on whether the holds table has been loaded yet
13:56 oleonard cait: I'm not blaming rangi's fix for the waiting holds, I'm blaming the overall system.
13:57 cait oleonard: i understand you
13:58 cait oleonard: i am also regretting a bit that we didn't offer this as an option first... or on a test system for people to see
13:58 wahanui okay, cait.
13:58 cait regretting?
13:58 cait hm.
14:00 * oleonard wonders why his test system is running so slowly. Even regular checkins are taking forever
14:11 oleonard anyone remember off the top of their heads how the automatic removal of restrictions works? Does the checkin process check for an remove automatic restrictions?
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14:21 cait oleonard: hm we aren't using it yet - it shoudl be a cronjob
14:22 cait maybe the database cleanup one?
14:22 tcohen ok, it is time
14:23 cait oleonard:
14:23 cait bug 12760
14:23 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12760 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Passed QA , add restrictions purge to
14:25 tcohen oleonard: i can push it right now for u :-D
14:25 oleonard Well I know it was working in the past so I know it's not something which hasn't been pushed yet :P
14:27 oleonard I see it now, it's in
14:27 cait oleonard: maybethere is something about it on the initial bug? I thought we just kept them but they are no longer taken into account after the date
14:33 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8836: (RM followup) unit tests should use the new API <[…]db02af596d7d22994> / Bug 8836: Update DBIx <[…]bb4026c62a53e2a75> / Bug 8836: DBRev <[…]af6c361f4c4b792ca
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14:42 * mveron waves
14:42 mveron @wunder allschwil
14:42 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Wetter Allschwil, Allschwil, Switzerland is 13.0°C (3:42 PM CET on November 07, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
14:45 oleonard @wunder 45701
14:45 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Whitlind Woods, Athens, Ohio is 4.0°C (9:45 AM EST on November 07, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
14:48 oleonard Something has changed recently which is really slowing down checkins in my VM
14:49 cait :(
14:51 tcohen oleonard: can u bisect it?
14:51 oleonard Trying
14:54 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12448: DBRev <[…]e9aa2c745c6e24c78> / Bug 12448: Follow-up: Only ask confirmation when rental charge > 0 <[…]7cbe740c12005c712> / Bug 12448: Ask for confirmation when checking out an item with rental fees <
14:59 oleonard Bisect is time-consuming when a checkin takes almost a full minute...
15:02 * mveron goes now to the Basel Book Festival:
15:04 cait have fun mveron
15:05 oleonard Ugh, git bisect why you gotta give me crap results?
15:05 * oleonard doesn't think it was a change to t/db_dependent/Letters.t which slowed down checkins
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15:26 cait oleonard: hm.
15:27 cait oleonard: maybe a configuration change? a new feature being activated or something?
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15:41 oleonard The second (and third) time around it tells me that a change to C4/ is to blame :(
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15:59 cait interesting -f or checkins?
16:00 oleonard I keep checking, and it really seems like commit 7605f9 is slowing things down
16:01 cait which bug is that?
16:01 oleonard Checkins go from 2 1/2 seconds to 50+ seconds
16:01 cait wow
16:01 oleonard Bug 11244
16:01 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11244 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , notices ignoring the dateformat preference
16:01 cait oh .(
16:01 cait but interesting that it would take so long to generate a single notice
16:01 cait must be the check-in slip then
16:01 cait and shouldn't the same appear on checkout?
16:02 oleonard Ah, I didn't think about notices being generated on check-in!
16:02 oleonard I thought I was going crazy.
16:03 reiveune bye
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16:06 oleonard Checkout doesn't seem to be affected
16:06 cait oleonard: weird
16:10 cait oleonard: can you report a bug?
16:10 oleonard I am doing so now
16:10 cait have to run :( will be back tuesday worst case, maybe a bit earlier for a while
16:15 oleonard If checkin notices are being generated when I check in items shouldn't I be able to find them in message_queue?
16:22 Joubu oleonard: if it's come from 11244, please link it. I will receive the notif and have a look on monday!
16:22 Joubu have a good week-end #koha
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17:14 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
17:14 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
17:14 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U12_MariaDB build #150: FIXED in 1 hr 0 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]_U12_MariaDB/150/
17:40 tcohen Joubu: is it possible to reload the jenkins process?
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18:04 tcohen bug 6681
18:04 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6681 major, P2, ---, simith.doliveira, Needs Signoff , When importing a biblio record via Z39.50, authority links and items also get imported
18:24 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12334: Make it easy to hide parts of material type and format information in... <[…]3f42629064f97b610> / Bug 12250: DBRev <[…]8e174152f95862b38> / Bug 12250: Update descriptions for languages, scripts and regions <
18:34 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12403: DBRev <[…]be810c0f5cb2b240c> / Bug 12403 [Follow-up] Batch record deletion <[…]cc9f9db357af383df> / Bug 12403: Follow-up - fixing a few typos <[…]919d14c03b5339362
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19:15 oleonard Hi again cait
19:15 cait hi oleonard :)
19:15 cait still not used to seeing you around so late
19:17 oleonard Feels especially late when most of the channel is already off for the weekend :)
19:17 cait :)
19:17 cait i know that feeling
19:24 jcamins oleonard: you don't get off at 3 on Fridays?
19:25 oleonard Yes
19:25 jcamins Okay, that was a badly phrased question.
19:25 jcamins You were either agreeing that you don't get off at 3 or agreeing that you get off at 3.
19:26 jcamins I have long been jealous of the fact that you get out of work early on Fridays. Should I still be jealous?
19:26 oleonard I leave at 3 every day now. I come to work earlier so that I can pick up the kids from school.
19:30 cait ... so you are not at work? :)
19:31 oleonard for 30 more minutes
19:31 cait ah
19:31 cait have a nice weekend :)
19:32 oleonard Thanks, you too cait.
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