IRC log for #koha, 2014-08-19

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00:29 dcook Woo. Random Daft Punk on the playlist...
00:29 dcook :D
00:30 pianohacker hell yeah
00:30 pianohacker new or old?
00:30 eythian <-- dcook, you should have scheduled a visit for this week
00:31 dcook pianohacker: middle?
00:31 dcook Mmmm burgers
00:31 dcook What are kumara crisps?
00:31 eythian chips made from kumara
00:31 dcook :P
00:32 dcook Sweet potato, eh? Neat
00:32 eythian Kumara is a kind of sweet potato
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00:32 pianohacker what in tarnation is a crisp
00:32 pianohacker *murica noises*
00:34 dcook hehe
00:34 rangi pianohacker: what you would call chips
00:34 rangi chips are what we call fries
00:34 dcook pianohacker: If it helps, in Australia, they call chips chips and fries chips.
00:34 rangi also we sometimes call crisps chips too
00:34 * dcook admires the Australian devotion to the potato
00:35 pianohacker wow, I knew a bit but apparently there is even more craziness than I thought
00:35 dcook They also do killer wedges, which are really lacking back in Canada
00:35 dcook pianohacker: I have a Canadian friend moving here in 2 weeks, and she's been teaching herself Australian using an app ;)
00:35 pianohacker bahahahaha
00:35 dcook eythian: Have you checked out any of the burgers yet?
00:36 dcook Oh, I really need to stop looking at that website. *drools a bit too much*
00:37 eythian dcook: foolish question :)
00:37 dcook I have yet to find a really satisfying burger in Australia.
00:37 dcook hehe
00:37 eythian I had the third one for lunch today
00:37 dcook Oooh. That was one of the first ones that piqued my interest.
00:37 dcook Hot & Saucy Stag?
00:37 eythian oh, not in order
00:38 eythian doing them in rough order of "what's nearby work"
00:38 dcook Mmm
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01:50 ivan I have an actively running server that does not yet have email notifications enabled (it doesn't have postfix setup). If I setup postfix on the server will it send old emails that previously could not be sent?
01:51 rangi check the messages table in the database
01:52 rangi if its full up with pending messages, then yes
01:52 rangi you can safely delete them
01:52 eythian start with 'mailq'
01:52 ivan Excellent. I wan't to make sure if I set it up I won't have a bunch of old messages get sent.
01:53 ivan Thank you. I will check that now.
01:53 wnickc_ message_queue or messages?  just curious for my own sake
01:53 rangi message_queue
01:53 wahanui it has been said that message_queue is good for reporting
01:53 eythian oh, yeah, that too
01:54 eythian also mailq if a mail server was installed but not configured.
01:54 ivan I am referring to messages as in email notification messages.
01:54 ivan So I should check mailq, something else?
01:54 eythian and message_queue in the koha database
01:54 ivan Ok
01:56 dcook @wunder syd
01:56 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 15.0°C (11:52 AM EST on August 19, 2014). Conditions: Heavy Rain Showers. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
01:56 * dcook can't tell if it's rain or hail or some new form of precipitation...
01:56 dcook It's like it's falling in every direction at once..
01:57 eythian @wunder nzwn
01:57 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (1:30 PM NZST on August 19, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
01:57 eythian not actually too bad here.
01:58 eythian I really wonder how merging biblios handles it if they each have a rating from the same person.
01:58 eythian I bet it explodes
02:21 ivan eythian: Does it matter if I delete the records from the table using a truncate or a regular delete?
02:21 ivan Put another way, should I reset the ID counter?
02:21 ivan Does it matter?
02:21 eythian doesn't matter, I like to reset the counters, but it's not a big deal either way
02:21 ivan Ok
02:23 ivan Alright, mailq and message_queue are clear. Sounds like I am safe to start configuring postfix, no?
02:23 rangi yep seems alright
02:23 eythian yep
02:24 ivan Excellent thanks again.
02:34 bag @whoami
02:34 huginn bag: I don't recognize you.
02:34 bag boooo
02:34 eythian @whoami
02:34 huginn eythian: I don't recognize you.
02:34 eythian hmm
02:34 eythian it spells recognise wrong.
02:36 bag HA not for me eythian
02:36 bag must be a US bot
02:36 eythian that's just cos you spell it wrong :)
02:51 wnickc_ goodnight #koha
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06:31 ashimema_afk morning
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06:39 reiveune hello
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07:11 * cait waves
07:13 cait @wunder Hannover
07:13 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found.
07:14 cait @wunder Hannover, Germany
07:14 huginn cait: The current temperature in Hannover, Germany is 14.8°C (9:14 AM CEST on August 19, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising).
07:14 ashimema Hi cait
07:14 ashimema thought you were away today?
07:14 cait morning ashimema
07:14 cait i will be :) just checking weather reports
07:14 cait then breakfast, then zoo :D
07:15 cait bu tlooks like it's going to rain :(
07:16 ashimema oh no.. the animals will all hide
07:17 indradg hi #koha
07:17 cait ashimema: i don't want to hear that
07:18 * dcook waves to the folks from the other side of the world
07:18 ashimema hey dcook..
07:18 ashimema how hangs it?
07:18 cait hm someone signed off again!
07:18 cait hehe
07:18 dcook Long story, but not too bad at the moment
07:18 dcook You, ashimema?
07:18 cait hey dcook
07:18 ashimema not bad.
07:18 ashimema just reading keyboard reviews..
07:19 ashimema this one may ifnally give up the ghost..
07:19 ashimema not bad for a thrown in with desktop.. cheepy logitch.. best part of 10 years
07:19 dcook hey cait :)
07:20 * dcook checks his keyboard
07:20 ashimema I'm usre the animals will come out to play cait.. maybe the zoo will be quieter too
07:20 dcook When I was changing desks, I could've switched to a fancier keyboard, but I liked the way my old one felt.
07:20 dcook Muscle memory and all t hat
07:20 ashimema Yeah..
07:20 ashimema I know that feeling.. I'm gonna miss this one if it eventually dies..
07:21 cait ashimema: giving up the ghost?
07:21 cait we have exactly the same in german
07:21 cait den geist aufgeben
07:21 ashimema I kinda like that no-one else in the house can use it too.. it's so warn that none of the keys have the letter on anymore
07:21 ashimema :)
07:21 cait heh
07:22 cait breakfast time
07:22 cait have a good day/evening everyone
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07:23 ashimema really wish it was easier to go into a shop and 'play' with a bunch of keyboards..
07:26 dcook hehe
07:26 dcook I really wish it would stop raining so much
07:27 ashimema There's too much choice in keyboards now..
07:27 dcook ashimema: You need to talk to pianohacker and cjh. Hehe.
07:28 ashimema Mechanical or Not Mechanical, Ergonomic or Not Ergonomic, Wireless or Wired..
07:28 ashimema and that before talking about all the crazy key layouts you can go for if so inclined.
07:28 ashimema ack.
07:29 * ashimema gives up and sticks with his logitech.. hopefully it'll last a bit longer yet
07:31 Joubu good morning #koha
07:32 ashimema morning Joubu
08:21 indradg morning Joubu
09:28 indradg BUG 12780
09:28 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12780 enhancement, P3, ---, indradg, NEW , Addition of for handling a nav menu for Koha Plugins
09:30 rangi remember to set it to needs signoff, when you have patches attached ready to test
09:30 indradg thanks rangi
09:31 indradg done!
09:50 ashimema oh.. rangi is here again
09:51 ashimema indradg.. interestingly enough i looked at that bug this morning beofre the aptches were added ;)
09:53 ashimema rangi.. have you looked at the TestBuilder bug.. wondered if you have any comments.. I'm a bit baffled as to the point if i'm completely honest.
09:54 ashimema bug 12603
09:54 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12603 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Signed Off , TestBuilder - Module to simplify the writing of tests
09:55 Joubu ashimema: Hi! Why are you baffled?
09:56 ashimema Maybe i'm only looking at the most basic use cases.. but so far I'm sort of inclined to agree with mtompset that the abstraction actually makes the tests slightly more complicated to write?
09:58 ashimema what does it do beyond wrapping sql in a transaction so it can be rolled back?
09:58 Joubu ashimema: hum, try to write UT for Acquisition :)
09:58 Joubu and you will understand why this is useful
09:59 Joubu ashimema: sorry, I didn't understand your last question
09:59 ashimema give me a tic.. re-reading code again
10:07 ashimema hmm.. it basically sets up dependencies for you right?
10:07 Joubu that's it
10:07 ashimema so rather than needing to import half of koha's modules.. you just import builder
10:07 Joubu DB dependencies, not modules (pm)
10:08 ashimema then use builder to define the db changes you need for the test
10:08 ashimema looking at bug 12607, it makes it look like it also does the module imports for you
10:08 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12607 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Signed Off , TestBuilder - Refactoring Acquisition/GetBasketsInfosByBookseller.t
10:09 ashimema i.e a whole host os 'use' dissapear in the patch..
10:09 ashimema is that just un related tify up then?
10:09 Joubu ashimema: no, the script does not use routines from Biblio, bookseller, etc. anymore
10:09 ashimema k.. so it's unrelated tify up
10:10 Joubu before TestBulder, the UT script has to add a bookseller in DB (so call C4::Bookseller::AddBookseller), add a budget, a biblio, etc. to create an order
10:10 Joubu now, the script all my $order =  TestBuilder->({src => 'order'});
10:10 Joubu and that's all!
10:10 Joubu (don't remember the syntax exactly)
10:11 Joubu the builder generate the data (bookseller, biblio, budget, etc.) in DB
10:11 Joubu with random data (because we don't care about the bookseller name, etc. for unit tests)
10:11 ashimema I see..
10:12 Joubu but you can access to the generated data:
10:12 Joubu +my $supplierid    = $order1->{_fk}->{basketno}->{booksellerid};
10:13 Joubu it is certainly not perfect, and some cases will cause problems (I suppose, I don't know). Because the DB structure is quite weird sometimes
10:13 ashimema my thoughts are mosty that upon adding/editing a module you're learning the internal api's of koha.. and so writing tests with them are surely relatively easy.. whereas with TestBuilder.. you have to learn a new api to be able to write a test using it.?
10:14 Joubu the API is quite simple
10:14 ashimema I suppose i'm just a bit vague as to what real advantage.. other than saving a few lines.. it brings to the table for test writers...
10:14 ashimema I suppose if your starting by writing tests instead of the other way around it makes pretty good sense
10:14 Joubu and yes, like all new module, there are methods to call and to know how to call them :)
10:15 ashimema ok.. I'll have a punt at QAing it..
10:15 ashimema just wanted to get comments really..
10:15 Joubu yep, me too :)
10:15 ashimema did you/yohan see my comment on the bug inquiring as to whether we could use it as a route to makeing more tests db independant?
10:16 Joubu It's not possible to use the TestBuilder for independent UT
10:17 Joubu That was your question?
10:18 ashimema not in it's current form..
10:18 ashimema my question was.. can you see a followup being able to accomplish some db independance?
10:19 Joubu ashimema: Actually, I wanted something like you described (if I understand correctly), but it looked quite difficult
10:19 ashimema basically.. I'd like to see allot more mocked so that we don't have to have a configure db to run the tests..
10:19 ashimema for instance.. the package builder will not run db dependant tests..
10:19 Joubu And the TestBuilder was an idea from yohann. Since I didn't want to impose him something, I let him do what he wanted to do
10:20 ashimema cool.. I see.
10:21 ashimema right.. got a customer call to get to.
10:21 ashimema will take another look at this when i get back..
10:21 Joubu ashimema: I don't think it could be extended to independent tests. The main goal is to create the foreign keys (recursively) for a DB row, basically.
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10:26 ashimema that's a shame..
10:27 ashimema I was hoping it could be expanded to instead mock such data/connections.
10:27 ashimema I'd prefer to see such an abstraction go the route of making one test work both with or without a database..
10:28 ashimema that way tests could be run more often and more thoroughly.
10:28 ashimema anywho..
10:28 ashimema in a call now.
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11:37 tcohen morning
11:39 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
11:39 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 14.9°C (8:35 AM ART on August 19, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
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12:09 barton morning, #koha!
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12:12 barton I have a question about Home > Tools > Patron lists -- Are these viewable to all staff members, or just to the person who creates the list?
12:13 barton ... and is there any way to control how these are shared?
12:15 nengard barton just the person who creates the list and not really from the patron side
12:15 barton nengard++
12:16 barton @karma
12:16 huginn barton: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (132), "cait" (118), and "oleonard" (79).  Lowest karma: "^" (-7), "-" (-6), and "MARC" (-5).  You (barton) are ranked 41 out of 265.
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12:16 barton @karma barton
12:16 huginn barton: Karma for "barton" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4.
12:17 barton huh. wonder how that happened.
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12:17 barton @karma nengard
12:17 huginn barton: Karma for "nengard" has been increased 7 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 7.
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12:22 tcohen morning!
12:22 wahanui it has been said that morning is a state of the cait
12:31 ashimema afternoon!
12:32 ashimema @karma
12:32 huginn ashimema: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (132), "cait" (118), and "oleonard" (79).  Lowest karma: "^" (-7), "-" (-6), and "MARC" (-5).  You (ashimema) are ranked 6 out of 265.
12:32 tcohen hi ashimema
12:32 tcohen @karma
12:32 huginn tcohen: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (132), "cait" (118), and "oleonard" (79).  Lowest karma: "^" (-7), "-" (-6), and "MARC" (-5).  You (tcohen) are ranked 5 out of 265.
12:33 jenkins_koha Starting build #548 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: FIXED)
12:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #548: SUCCESS in 3 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/548/
12:33 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: fix typo
12:38 ashimema how goes it tcohen..
12:39 tcohen fine ashimema
12:40 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12708 - Unexpected behaviour in IE 9 and lower when using openWindow <[…]52e818cfe8d8f9c8f> / Bug 9180: All branches should be returned if a default rule exists <[…]1a5379315b5167127> / Bug 12180 - Remove HTML from <http://git.koha-community.o
12:47 tcohen @later tell gmcharlt can u take a look at bug 12781 please?
12:47 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
12:47 tcohen khall: around?
12:47 khall yo
12:47 tcohen I added you to bug 12781 cc, could you please take a look too?
12:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12781 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , DBIx::Class schema should preserve case for column names
12:48 tcohen i'm not sure it is a problem introduced by later DBIx::Class::Schema::Loader
12:48 tcohen or just something we did wrong in the first place
12:49 tcohen but it seems to be breaking in several places
12:49 khall I'll take a look!
12:50 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11614: Untranslatable label_element_title in label management <[…]24ce363d03e08f407> / Bug 12695: Remove CGI::scrolling_list from <[…]ec1e6dc87436a2d22> / Bug 7143 Updating the about page <
12:55 tcohen khall: thanks!
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13:30 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #129: UNSTABLE in 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D7/129/
13:30 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 12753: Warnings in t/SIP_Sip.t could be tested
13:30 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 12501: Show dissertation note (MARC21 502) in XSLT results
13:30 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 12177 - Remove HTML from
13:30 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 12180 - Remove HTML from
13:30 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9180: All branches should be returned if a default rule exists
13:30 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12753 trivial, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Warnings in t/SIP_Sip.t could be tested
13:30 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 12708 - Unexpected behaviour in IE 9 and lower when using openWindow
13:30 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 7143 Updating history
13:30 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12501 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Show Dissertation note (MARC21 502) in XSLT results
13:30 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 7143 Updating the about page
13:30 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 12695: Remove CGI::scrolling_list from
13:30 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 11614: Untranslatable label_element_title in label management
13:30 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12177 minor, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Remove HTML from
13:30 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12180 minor, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Remove HTML from
13:30 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9180 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Default rules are not always used for overdues
13:30 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12708 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Unexpected behaviour in IE 9 and lower when using openWindow
13:30 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---,, ASSIGNED , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
13:30 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12695 minor, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Remove CGI::scrolling_list from
13:30 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11614 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Untranslatable label_element_title in label management
13:43 Joubu Hum, on the catalogue result page (intranet), I got "No item was selected" when I try to add some records to the cart. Could someone confirm there is a bug?
13:43 Joubu (of course, I selected items...)
13:44 Joubu Actually the checkbox does not contain the biblionumber...
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14:07 Joubu it's really not a good idea to map biblio.biblionumber with something else before going go away for 3 weeks...
14:19 ashimema good luck Joubu
14:24 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
14:24 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
14:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #130: FIXED in 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D7/130/
14:42 tcohen hi Joubu
14:42 tcohen is it a problem on your local branch or on master?
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14:43 Joubu tcohen: no, just in my head...
14:43 tcohen heh
14:44 Joubu I changed the mapping of biblio.biblionumber 3 weeks ago, and of course, I forgot to restore the good value
14:44 Joubu (don't ask me why...)
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15:06 smrt hi everyone, I might be  completely overlooking something but is there a way to prevent patrons from placing holds through the OPAC if they have overdue items?
15:30 reiveune bye
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15:36 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
15:36 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
15:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U12 build #135: FIXED in 58 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Master_U12/135/
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15:48 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12432 [QA Followup] - Make "All" tab work when switching back to it <[…]91c34123b75e1ad9f> / Bug 12432 - Saved reports tabs not working <[…]6a445c726137710a8>
15:56 tcohen is there a free QA Cslot?
15:56 tcohen bug 12782
15:56 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12782 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Signed Off , t/db_dependent/XISBN.t should work on DOM too
15:58 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11842 - fix framework caching with memcache/plack <[…]1f2562d062004d7fd> / Bug 12589 - Manage label batch view should show item type description instead of... <[…]7b70cfff31d13b0f0> / Bug 12694: Remove CGI::scrolling_list from <http:/
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16:50 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
16:50 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
16:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_U12_MariaDB build #67: FIXED in 56 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]r_U12_MariaDB/67/
16:50 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 12432 - Saved reports tabs not working
16:50 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12432 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Saved reports tabs not working
16:50 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 12432 [QA Followup] - Make "All" tab work when switching back to it
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16:59 RubEns Hi, any idea to save the search results in koha and create report, need to know the most viewed items or searches made​​.
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17:03 RubEns Hi, any idea to save the search results in koha and create report, need to know the most viewed items or searches made​​.
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17:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #132: UNSTABLE in 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D7/132/
17:10 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 12432 - Saved reports tabs not working
17:10 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 12432 [QA Followup] - Make "All" tab work when switching back to it
17:10 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 12704: Remove CGI::scrolling_list from
17:10 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 12694: Remove CGI::scrolling_list from
17:10 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12432 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Saved reports tabs not working
17:10 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 12589 - Manage label batch view should show item type description instead of code
17:10 jenkins_koha * Robin Sheat: Bug 11842 - fix framework caching with memcache/plack
17:10 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12704 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Remove CGI::scrolling_list from
17:10 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12694 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Remove CGI::scrolling_list from
17:10 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12589 normal, P5 - low, ---, robert.higgins, Pushed to Master , Manage label batch view should show item type description instead of code
17:10 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11842 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , MARC framework editing is broken when memcache is enabled
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17:30 bag hey jmsasse
17:30 jmsasse Bag: hiya.
17:30 bag I should be able to have a call tomorrow
17:30 bag what time where you thinking?  you can talk in your local time - I'll adjust
17:31 jmsasse My director is in office tomorrow.
17:32 jmsasse 11:30 AM?
17:33 bag hmm...  ok I'll put it on the calendar
17:33 bag can you email me a phone number to use?
17:33 jmsasse Permissions development was the topic?
17:34 jmsasse email to
17:34 bag it was more a general what's important for you - khall already understand the permissions development topic
17:34 bag that works jmsasse
17:34 jmsasse OK, my director will have some input on that for you.
17:34 bag cool :)
17:35 jmsasse Sorry I stumbled into the wrong channel.
17:36 bag no worries :)
17:36 bag jmsasse++
17:36 jmsasse Forgot it was #bws-partners.
17:36 jmsasse khall active?
17:39 jmsasse Khall: great job on covers that flow :-)
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17:39 jmsasse Khall: been looking for something like that for a while.
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18:15 tcohen hi bag
18:16 bag hey tcohen
18:17 tcohen joy, nicole and you?
18:24 tcohen @later tell wizzyrea please take a look at a filesystem permission error when trying to export/download the registration data (on cform)
18:24 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
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18:41 tcohen ashimema: do u know why we use patron_id instead of patronId on ILS-ID?
18:42 * tcohen is reading the specification and maybe not understanding something
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19:06 tcohen bye #koha
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19:32 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: retitle for 3.18
19:43 rangi ashimema: fwiw i dont really get it either, hence my no comment
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19:46 rangi hi tcohen
19:47 tcohen hi rangi
19:47 tcohen rangi: you're familiar with ILS-ID, right?
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19:48 rangi not really, it was a standard that failed, not many things use it in the wild unfortunately
19:49 tcohen oh, I see
19:50 tcohen i was looking at a passedqa bug, and noticed there's somediscrepancy on how stuff is named
19:51 tcohen (between the 1.1 version that is online, and Koha's code)
19:51 rangi basically it morphed into XC
19:51 rangi yeah, there was never a ratified standard
19:52 rangi so compliance isnt really a thing
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19:55 rangi tcohen: it might be worth emailing to ask who is using the ils-di api
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19:56 tcohen_ are we part of the specification writing board?
19:56 rangi and wether renaming things would break stuff for them
19:56 tcohen_ rangi: so ILS-DI -> NCIP 2.0?
19:56 tcohen_ (i mean, Koha)
19:56 rangi tcohen_: there is no ILS-DI anymore
19:56 rangi there never was
19:56 rangi there was a recommendation
19:56 rangi no one (apart from us and a couple of others) ever implemented it
19:57 rangi 07:55 <@rangi> tcohen: it might be worth emailing to ask who is using the ils-di api
19:57 rangi 07:56 <@rangi> and wether renaming things would break stuff for them
19:57 rangi
19:57 tcohen_ rangi: sorry, networking issues
19:57 rangi no worries
19:57 tcohen_ the old tcp connexion took over my nickname
19:58 tcohen_ so, you're familiar with ILS-DI :-P
19:58 tcohen_ i mean, NCIP
19:58 gmcharlt well, the BibLibre Drupal stuff still uses the ILS-DI API, right?
19:58 rangi afaik yes, and i think EDS do too
19:59 rangi so changing the names might break stuff for them
19:59 rangi what i was trying to say, is there isnt actually a standard to comply to, so not breaking for existing users is probably better
19:59 rangi but i probably wasnt being clear
19:59 tcohen_ it is clear rangi
19:59 tcohen_ bug 8868
20:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8868 normal, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Passed QA , ILS-DI: CancelHold needs to take a reserve_id
20:00 tcohen_ is changing the API
20:00 rangi ah yep, afaik only the biblibre drupal connector uses that functionality
20:00 rangi so that might be ok, but it might be worth asking on the list?
20:01 * tcohen thinks the drupal connector has its own api implementation (koha-restfull)
20:01 gmcharlt tcohen: they may have changed at some point?
20:01 gmcharlt but rangi's right, can ask
20:02 * tcohen is not sure, he just thought they wrote it for that purpose
20:02 rangi could well b
20:02 rangi e
20:02 tcohen PTFS-Europe also uses ILS-DI for his VuFind KohaRest driver
20:03 rangi im guessing since they are changing it, biblibre must be using it for something still
20:03 tcohen np, will ask on the dev list
20:03 rangi sweet
20:04 rangi im trying to track down this 400 thing
20:04 rangi that seems to have got everyone excited
20:04 rangi man i wish libraries would get this excited about other stuff
20:04 rangi maybe we should purposefully breakt things once in a while to keep them engaged
20:04 tcohen what is that 400 thing?
20:04 pianohacker so the facebook approach?
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20:05 tcohen pianohacker: heh
20:05 tcohen rangi: facets?
20:05 wahanui facets are drawn from the records in the search results and are being worked on in bug 11232:[…]_bug.cgi?id=11232
20:05 pianohacker just in time, cait
20:05 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11232 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Retrieve facets from Zebra
20:05 huginn Bug 11232: new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Retrieve facets from Zebra
20:05 cait hm?
20:05 rangi tcohen: yep
20:05 pianohacker you're in big trouble, cait...
20:05 tcohen yeah, is dcook's fault
20:05 cait am i?
20:05 rangi[…]ugust/040519.html
20:05 cait why this time?
20:05 rangi that thread
20:05 tcohen he promised to patch C4::Search to retrieve facets from Zebra
20:06 tcohen :-P
20:06 cait ??
20:06 rangi im just trying to figure out what added the 400s
20:06 cait a prf
20:06 cait a pref
20:06 rangi there is a pref?
20:07 cait there is a system preference that will allow you to search for 400 from auth in your bibliograhic search
20:07 rangi and it went in on?
20:07 cait nope
20:07 cait not to my knowledge
20:07 cait maybe for new, but not on existing
20:07 cait it's off in ours
20:07 rangi then how are people who upgraded seeing 400
20:07 rangi in the facets
20:07 rangi can you remember the bug?
20:08 cait let me find the pref, then take a shower ok? i just got in from aloooong day of walking and seeing lots of animals .)
20:08 rangi k
20:08 rangi im reading the code, i dont see a pref being used in building the facets, but i hope im wrong
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20:08 cait not in the facets
20:08 rangi oh
20:09 rangi well its the facets that we are talking about
20:09 cait it includes the forms in the bilbiographic record
20:09 cait and probably they get indexed
20:09 cait and then included in the numbers, is my guess
20:09 rangi right so the index must have been added
20:09 cait but i haven't read all of it the emails yet
20:09 cait yeha, it's the point of the feature
20:09 pianohacker we're not doing a grs1 deprecation until 3.18 at the earliest, right? so that's not related?
20:09 cait it's for people who want to find the sheet music from tschaikovsky, no matter how it's spelled
20:09 rangi[…]ugust/040511.html
20:10 rangi yeah that makes sense
20:10 cait the pref is IncludeSeeFromInSearches
20:10 rangi but its specifically to do with facets
20:10 cait it adds the 400 from the authorities to zebra
20:10 cait it uses an indicator z
20:10 rangi right so that will be the issue then
20:10 cait to differentiate from other fields i think
20:10 rangi cos those are added
20:10 rangi whether you want to search them or not
20:11 cait i can try to read up the thread in a bit, but need to warm up first
20:11 cait lots of rain here today, i got soaked :)
20:11 rangi the thread isnt actually useful
20:11 rangi just that one email
20:11 rangi the thread is just a lot of 'me too'
20:12 cait i have 24 emails in my inbox from today - no idea what's there yet, but need to change out of wet clothes now :)
20:12 * tcohen_ doesn't see why indexes are related to facets
20:13 rangi the change is
20:13 rangi my $marc_record = new_record_from_zebra (
20:14 rangi but i dont think that did it either
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20:16 pastebot "rangi" at pasted "the facet changes" (54 lines) at
20:16 rangi its something in there, thats my suspicion
20:17 cait hm the z seem to be excluded
20:17 cait 516
20:17 cait i really have to read the thread in a moment i think
20:17 cait could it be that a name is doubled?
20:17 rangi you really dont :)
20:17 cait like ti appears in 100
20:17 cait so it would show up in facets
20:17 cait but when you click on it
20:18 cait the search goeson the aut index
20:18 rangi you only have to read the one email, the rest is blah blah i dont like it
20:18 rangi but no more info
20:18 cait and that also includes the 400
20:18 cait so you get more results that it would show in the count
20:18 rangi its not the name is double
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20:18 rangi its that 100s and 400s are now showing in the author facets
20:18 rangi they dont want to see 400s there
20:19 tcohen facets are read from C4::Koha::getfacets
20:19 rangi and if you revert that chunk of code
20:19 rangi i pasted
20:19 rangi you get the old behaviour
20:19 rangi[…]ugust/040511.html
20:20 cait hm i think the 400 arenot 400 when added to the record
20:20 cait they might be 1xx with an indicator z then
20:20 rangi so i wonder if cait is on to somehing with the z
20:20 rangi yes
20:20 rangi i think so
20:20 rangi thats the diff
20:20 cait becuase 400 is something else on bibliographic level
20:20 rangi in 3.14.x
20:20 rangi we drop the z's
20:20 rangi in 3.16.x we dont
20:21 rangi at least i think thats what we are doing :)
20:21 cait drop before display?
20:22 cait the feature came in 3.12 i think
20:22 cait with the authority work from jared
20:22 cait and  i am still in wet clothes... brb
20:22 rangi i dont think its to do with that feature
20:22 rangi i can replicate the behaviour in that email
20:22 tcohen rangi: line 516, right?
20:22 cait without it being turned on, you dan't have the 400 at all on bibliogrpahic level :)
20:22 rangi it doesnt matter
20:22 rangi they still show
20:22 cait or you shouldn't
20:22 rangi in the facets
20:23 cait because that would be a bug
20:23 rangi you can turn it off
20:23 rangi they will still show
20:23 cait authorities and bibiographic data don't get combined ithout
20:23 cait after reindexing?
20:23 rangi tcohen: yep
20:23 cait it works similar like adding the items i think
20:23 cait gah, brb, really now
20:23 tcohen we just need to filter z
20:23 rangi tcohen: i think so yeah
20:24 rangi i think it accidentally changed when we did bug 11096
20:24 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11096 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Koha cannot retrieve big records from Zebra
20:26 * tcohen doesn't like the idea of having angry people in cordoba to take revenge
20:26 rangi ill write a mail to the list saying we have tracked it down and it is to do with the z subfields
20:26 rangi please file a bug and we will fix it
20:26 rangi somethign like that
20:26 tcohen awesome
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20:29 tcohen from getfacets
20:29 tcohen {
20:29 tcohen idx   => 'au',
20:29 tcohen label => 'Authors',
20:29 tcohen tags  => [ qw/ 100a 110a 700a / ],
20:29 tcohen sep   => ', ',
20:29 tcohen },
20:29 rangi *nod*
20:31 tcohen maybe it is a bug in MARC::Record
20:32 tcohen my $data = $field->as_string( $subfield_letters, $facet->{sep} );
20:32 rangi could be, but its something that we used to handle in 3.14.x and dont in 3.16.x
20:32 * tcohen agrees, it is just he can't understand what's going on, yet
20:32 rangi yeah
20:32 tcohen steps to reproduce?
20:32 wahanui steps to reproduce are on comment 1
20:33 tcohen have a record with 100$z ?
20:33 tcohen check $z appears in the author's facet?
20:33 rangi yep
20:33 rangi basically have 100a
20:34 rangi linking to an authority that has 400 fields
20:34 rangi and see if those 400s show up in the facet
20:34 tcohen ok
20:36 cait tcohen: indicator z
20:36 cait but what rangi said
20:37 tcohen second indicator z in the 100 field of the authority record?
20:38 cait nope
20:39 cait you got 100 in bibliographic
20:39 cait and a normal authority with a main heading and 400
20:39 tcohen ok, that's correct
20:39 cait then you have IncludeSeeFromInSearches turned on (i think)
20:39 cait and reindex
20:39 tcohen
20:39 tcohen ah
20:40 rangi yeah thats it
20:40 cait and it should add the 400 from the authority to your zebra indexed record, as i think 1xx with an indicator z
20:40 rangi you need that pref on and reindex
20:40 rangi however if you turn it off
20:40 rangi and dont do a full reindex
20:40 rangi they will still stay there
20:40 cait because the records don't get... recomposed?
20:40 rangi until you edit them
20:40 tcohen
20:40 tcohen reproduced
20:40 cait yep
20:41 rangi yeah and then git checkout v3.14.09
20:41 rangi and refresh
20:41 rangi and its gone
20:41 rangi without doing any indexing or anything
20:41 tcohen is the feature present in 3.14?
20:41 tcohen (includeseefrom...)
20:41 rangi yep
20:42 tcohen 3.12.0 feature...
20:43 cait yep
20:43 tcohen ah
20:44 tcohen understood
20:44 tcohen found the code that mangles the records on behalf of
20:46 rangi sent an email
20:52 tcohen ok, have the fix
20:52 rangi sweet you can reply to my email :)
20:52 rangi id really like one of the libraries to file the bug
20:52 rangi will see if they do
20:55 pastebot "tcohen" at pasted "this works" (19 lines) at
20:56 rangi looks like a perfectly valid fix
20:56 rangi however
20:56 rangi please put a
20:56 rangi # we need to drop the z so we dont get 400s from authority files in the facets
20:56 rangi or something like that
20:56 rangi or someone will remove it again some time in the future :)
20:57 tcohen don't worry
20:57 tcohen we will have a regression test for this one
20:57 rangi yay :)
20:57 tcohen heh
20:57 rangi comments are still handy tho
20:57 rangi if it had been commented in 3.14x
20:57 tcohen yeah
20:57 rangi we would have spotted it a ton faster
21:00 * cait likes comments :)
21:01 rangi i wonder what i was actually going to do today
21:02 * cait could make suggestions :)
21:02 rangi i think it was tidy up and send up my patches for adding multiple covers to the opac, with fallback
21:02 tcohen :-D
21:03 rangi[…]fs/heads/wr222309
21:03 rangi that stuff
21:03 wahanui that stuff is calculated on the fly, but I'm not an expert on that
21:04 * cait approves :)
21:04 rangi although that might have to wait until next week
21:04 rangi pianohacker: question for you
21:05 rangi in systempreferences can we do multiple dropdowns for a syspref?
21:05 tcohen rangi: btw, thanks for signing the XISBN.t patches :-D
21:05 rangi eg, i want to say i want to try local, then google, the nznatlib covers
21:05 tcohen /rangi, yes
21:06 rangi currentlyt the syspref is Local|Google|NZNatlib
21:06 rangi which works great, but is pretty stink UX :)
21:06 rangi oh cool
21:07 tcohen BakerTaylorUsername
21:07 tcohen BakerTaylorPassword
21:07 rangi thanks tcohen
21:08 rangi rocio_lunch: whats for lunch?
21:08 rocio_lunch soup!
21:08 rocio_lunch lol
21:08 rangi nice :)
21:08 rocio_lunch :)
21:08 rangi  <--- somethign from here will be mine
21:08 rangi (in 3 hours or so)
21:09 tcohen heh
21:09 rangi tcohen: ahhh those are 2 different prefs tho
21:09 tcohen ah, yes
21:09 rangi - pref: BakerTaylorUsername - pref: BakerTaylorPassword
21:10 tcohen but shown on the same place
21:10 rangi yep
21:10 rangi ill keep thinking
21:10 rangi i dont really want to have to make 8 sysprefs
21:10 rangi and then you chose the 1, 2, 3, 4 etc
21:10 tcohen heh
21:11 rangi for the order you want them to fallback in
21:11 * tcohen belives rangi will use YAML at some point
21:11 cait rangi: there is a patch from jonathan about the multiple drop down i think - want me to find it?
21:11 rangi yes please
21:12 cait bug 9043  i think
21:12 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9043 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Adding system preferences to control the visibility of the content on the Advanced Search page
21:13 cait he just redid it bcaues there was a roblem with the first javascript library used
21:13 cait haven't taken a look at the new patch yet (it's from today)
21:13 rangi sweet ill take a look, thanks
21:14 cait nto sure if it's what you need, but hsould be quick to check
21:19 cait @later tell francharb i'd really like to take a look at your overdues spec,but I am on vacation until end of this week
21:19 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
21:21 pianohacker rangi: like a <select multiple>?
21:22 rangi kinda, except it has to be ordered
21:22 rangi the order matters
21:23 rangi i dunno how you would do that with a select multiple
21:23 cait hm maybe need another option then
21:23 rangi ideally you have one dropdown with 8 options you select one, then you get another dropdown with 7 options now
21:23 cait hm maybe something like jared did for the opac plugins?
21:24 cait you can drag and drop them
21:24 rangi but no idea htfu to do that
21:24 cait and they are stored in a pref i think
21:24 pianohacker yeah what she said
21:24 rangi oh yeah that would work too
21:24 rangi yay
21:24 pianohacker worse case it's really pretty easy to add a new preference type
21:24 pianohacker assuming that the code is roughly as sane as I remember
21:25 rangi sweet
21:25 rangi thanks, basically thats the last bit i have to do before this Koha::CoverImages and Koha::CoverImages::Local etc are ready to submit
21:25 francharb It would be awesome cait. Enjoy your vacation and we will talk about the rfc after! Thanks!
21:26 cait francharb: i also left a question on one the bug reports i think
21:26 francharb ok, i will take a look tomorrow!!
21:26 cait cool :)
21:26 francharb :)
21:27 pianohacker :D!
21:28 pianohacker cait: what's the thing you were talking about with the opac plugins? I'd like to take a look
21:28 cait oh
21:28 cait it's outside the systme preference editor
21:28 cait go to administration
21:28 cait then it has it's own page
21:29 cait but i think it is saved as some kind of data structure into a pref
21:29 cait administration > did you mean
21:29 pianohacker ohh, smooth!
21:30 cait you can pick them and reorder
21:30 cait also activate some and not others - not sure how this oculd be integrated into the editor, but it would be cool :)
21:31 pianohacker it could just be another preference type; there's already all the custom stuff for language settings
21:31 rangi i could totally put it outside system preferences
21:31 rangi under tools
21:32 rangi Cover Images
21:32 wahanui Cover Images are the only thing not broken, and it's starting to look like they're breaking now too
21:32 rangi there is no reason it has to be under sysprefs really
21:32 rangi ill have a think about that too
21:32 pianohacker only thing putting it under sysprefs gives you is some level of organization and searchability. Not like there's really a strong convention either way, though.
21:35 rangi yeah
21:36 pianohacker I should work on that cronjob unification idea I had...
21:36 cait pianohacker: rancor patches first! :P
21:37 rangi heh
21:37 pianohacker rangi, tcohen: question for you guys. Part of the work I did for my school/Koha project was refactoring the C4::Service API into an object-oriented Koha::Service API, and porting all the existing services to it. What would be involved with integrating that, in your minds? Especially as goes unit tests?
21:39 pianohacker cait: Waiting to hear back on a big set of changes from our client, we're getting close to a big milestone, I promise :) If you're interested, my github branch,[…]ree/rancor-submit, is up to date
21:39 rangi first up, im super happy thats been done
21:39 rangi cool
21:39 cait pianohacker: i can wait - just really want for it to make it in
21:39 rangi i have to go be a consultant on continuous integration and stuff for a uni here for the next couple of days, (which i think im doing wrong cos i always end up doing work)
21:39 cait and time is running rally
21:40 rangi but will have a chance to look next week
21:40 pianohacker same here! When's the next feature freeze?
21:40 rangi i think the way id do it is
21:40 cait tcohen: did we set the dates yet?
21:40 rangi submit tests and the module first
21:40 rangi then patches switching things to using it
21:40 rangi kinda like the replyto stuff i did i guess
21:41 cait pianohacker: release is november - about half of the time is gone now i think?
21:41 rangi tcohen might have a better suggestion
21:42 rangi[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9530
21:42 huginn Bug 9530: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Allow separate 'Reply To' and 'From' email address for notices
21:42 pianohacker I like that. I'll do my best to add lots of unit tests to Koha::Service itself. The tricky part is testing as far as the ported services go, especially since they're all so different
21:42 rangi bascially the first 2 signed off ones added all the infrastructure
21:42 rangi then each patch after switched more stuff to use it
21:42 rangi yeah
21:42 pianohacker bug 12272
21:42 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12272 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, NEW , Refactor C4::Service API into Koha::Service class
21:43 rangi cool
21:43 pianohacker ah, that makes sense. will need some rebasing, but open source makes you a rebase ninja pretty fast :)
21:45 wizzyrea rangi regarding your ordered sysprefs, could you do it like the interface in the notice editor?
21:46 rangi true
21:46 rangi that could work too
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21:53 wnickc bye #koha!
21:54 tcohen pianohacker, cait: i haven't set official dates, but october is expected to be feature freeze
21:54 wizzyrea tcohen: try your download now
21:54 tcohen and also, I agree with rangi's approach
21:54 tcohen having the libs included with good tests coverage
21:55 cait tcohen: ok
21:55 tcohen and switching each functionality at a time
21:55 tcohen with the help of us, the testers :-D
21:55 tcohen wizzyrea: will do
21:55 pianohacker tcohen: what are your opinions as far as test plans/etc. for the /svc/ stuff, since they're such a mixed bag
21:55 cait pianohacker: but that doesn't mean submitting the feature by october.. ;)
21:56 pianohacker cait: oh heavens no. If school doesn't decide to cheerfully murder me right out the gate, I'm hoping to have a new patchset by the end of this month
21:56 tcohen pianohacker: i think there needs to be consensus on that
21:56 tcohen but I thought having /api/v1.0/ for a REST API would be a good start
21:56 tcohen (instead of /svc)
21:56 pianohacker tcohen: oh right that touches on that long email chain on the list...
21:57 tcohen yeap
21:57 pianohacker tcohen: I'll start by just porting the systempreferences API, since that's small and easy to test
21:57 tcohen i am writing some crud stuff there
21:57 pianohacker We have two incompatible output formats and authentication schemes (at least) in /svc/, so there's a lot more to standardize
21:58 pianohacker the current Koha::Service class is focused on preserving the current functionality of both the XML and JSON services
21:58 tcohen pianohacker: i'd spend time on the api-key authentication mechanism, or even our oauth2 implementation
21:58 tcohen wizzyrea++ # it worked!
21:58 tcohen bbl
22:02 pianohacker @later tell tcohen do we have any patches or existing code using either of those?
22:02 huginn pianohacker: The operation succeeded.
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22:07 pianohacker hi internet
22:12 eythian hi
22:12 wahanui privet, eythian
22:14 pianohacker yo eythian
22:18 cait1 good night :)
22:19 pianohacker night cait1
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22:36 tcohen hi
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