IRC log for #koha, 2013-12-11

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00:03 dcook Haha!
00:03 dcook Found it!
00:03 dcook I use the Bugzilla good
00:03 dcook Just need to choose every status and every resolution when searching..
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00:07 dcook bug 8251 for anyone lurking or reading the logs...
00:07 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, colin.campbell, CLOSED FIXED, Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin
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00:39 gmcharlt rangi: http://git.librarypolice.com/?[…]g;h=refs/heads/pg
00:39 wizzyrea "glomp"
00:39 wizzyrea is that a technical term
00:39 rangi nice!
00:39 gmcharlt yes
00:40 gmcharlt glomp. n.  the sort of patch that mashes things together in a way that I never want to see in my RM queue ;)
00:41 rangi heh
00:41 gmcharlt however, reasonably instructive for testing the waters
00:42 dcook This is what I think when I hear glomp: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/glomp
00:42 dcook But still
00:42 dcook gmcharlt++
00:56 mtj i think 'glomp' is the sound a water-cooler makes :p
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00:56 mtj gmcharlt++, very impressive!
00:58 dcook mtj: I always thought that was more of a 'blurp' or 'bloop'
00:58 dcook Mind you, folks think that we go "beepboop" which doesn't sound anything like what we do, in my opinion...
00:58 dcook Maybe "clickety-clack"
00:58 * dcook personally sounds the sound of typing rather invigorating.
00:59 dcook sounds = finds
00:59 wizzyrea http://i.imgur.com/edlEg.gif
01:05 dcook I try to use more than two fingers :p
01:10 Dyrcona dcook: Ever use an IBM Selectric? That is the sound of typing!
01:11 wizzyrea ^ those old ibm keybords sounded awesome.
01:12 Dyrcona The Model M. Someone sells replicas online.
01:13 Dyrcona Oh, not a replica. It's the real deal.
01:13 Dyrcona I just swapped the keyboard on my Galago Ultra yesterday. It makes a world of difference.
01:14 dcook I don't know if I've ever used an electric typewriter...
01:14 dcook I have used a regular ol' manual one back in the day though
01:14 dcook I think I have an electric one as a Christmas tree base at the moment though..
01:16 Dyrcona dcook: I'd like to see a picture of that.
01:16 Dyrcona :)
01:16 dcook hehe
01:17 dcook It's a bit of an unorthodox Christmas tree but I'll see what I can do
01:19 Dyrcona My mother had an Olivetti travel typewriter when I was kid. That thing was a joy to use.
01:19 Dyrcona I've been typing almost as long as I've been able to write.
01:26 dcook I could probably type before I could write, now that I think about it. Hmm..
01:26 dcook I couldn't read books but I could play video games :p
01:32 Dyrcona I've been writing about as long as I've been able to read. How I am not a published novelist is a mystery to me.
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01:53 user505 FWIW, responsive.mykoha.co.nz displays just fine in the most current version of Torbrowser, which is Firefox ESR 17.0.11
01:54 user505 oh
01:55 dcook Good to know :)
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01:55 wizzyrea hurrah :)
01:56 wizzyrea it's not *quite* current master, but it's pretty close.
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01:58 rangi seriously
01:58 rangi that guy is a troll
01:58 rangi and needs to just go away
01:58 rangi (paul a on the mailing list, not any of you fine people)
02:00 * dcook thinks rangi must've seen his puppy dog eyes
02:01 dcook I was going to read the mailing list this morning but got distracted
02:05 mtj tragic...
02:06 rangi yeah, derailing and destroying a useful thread
02:06 rangi thats the bit that rankles
02:06 mtj hey, if anything… 3rd world computers are *more* likely to have linux on them
02:06 rangi and if not, they SHOULD
02:06 rangi why in gods name would a bunch of free software developers encourage people to use windows
02:06 wizzyrea ^^
02:06 wizzyrea so much that.
02:07 wizzyrea I was thinking the other day
02:07 wizzyrea about the abundance of good that Koha confers across the world
02:07 wizzyrea because it is free and open source software
02:07 wizzyrea free in cost, free in freedom.
02:07 mtj …its older/slower computers, with expensive expired M$ licenses on them - that get ubuntu-ized(™)
02:07 wizzyrea of course we talk about it a lot that Koha is in use in places that wouldn't have library systems
02:08 wizzyrea if not for Koha and linux
02:08 wizzyrea and how the skills required to run it really do raise people up
02:08 wizzyrea we emphasize sharing, and collaboration - these are library values.
02:09 wizzyrea there are your warm fuzzie feelings for the day
02:09 rangi :)
02:09 wizzyrea I don't feel fuzzie about windows xp
02:09 wizzyrea :P
02:13 mtj i'm almost tempted to make my point in an email reply… (but also can't quite be assed)
02:13 rangi i dont think it would help im afraid
02:13 dcook wizzyrea++
02:15 * mtj recalls previous rick-rolled koha-dev threads...
02:15 rangi yeah
02:18 wizzyrea ...isn't xp up to like sp3 or 4 now?
02:18 wizzyrea how can you call that sane.
02:18 * dcook lost his xp passkey so has no idea anymore
02:18 wizzyrea me either.
02:19 dcook I don't even see the point of Windows anymore
02:19 rangi im quite proud i never had one
02:19 rangi :)
02:19 dcook Nice, rangi!
02:19 eythian I'm sure you can find one with google
02:19 wizzyrea :)
02:19 wizzyrea hehehe
02:19 eythian I used to have a VLK mostly memorised
02:19 eythian it may not have been quite legit.
02:19 dcook lol
02:20 mtj eythian, thass gansta :)
02:20 dcook The other day, I added an account for my wife, showed her the network share, and off she went doing her writing and internet browsing
02:20 dcook What more does the average person need?
02:20 dcook Gnome3 looks way better than Windows as well, so I don't even see the visual appeal
02:20 dcook I suppose it's tough to shake off (Microsoft) trauma though
02:21 wizzyrea i really like mint lately
02:21 dcook Debian-based or the other one?
02:22 * dcook seems to remember there were two Mints?
02:22 rambutan1 several different bases of Mint
02:22 mtj slightly off-topic… anyone rememebr the RAM spec of paul.a's  kiosk boxes?
02:23 wizzyrea oh now he's incited us.
02:23 wizzyrea :P
02:23 mtj 256, or 512 meg - i guess?
02:23 * dcook seems to remember it being something like that?
02:23 dcook I suppose I wonder about all the different distros of Linux as well. I quite like Debian. I might try Ubuntu or Mint just to see what they're like, but...I'm happy enough.
02:24 dcook Ubuntu has more forums if nothing else
02:24 wizzyrea there. rant complete.
02:25 mtj i recently installed debian with xfce and iceweasl on an old-ish 1gig eee-pc
02:25 mtj web surfing was quite snappy
02:26 eythian I have one of those lying around. I should do something similar with it.
02:26 rambutan1 I have two netbooks running Linux, one Mint and one Ubuntu. Both 1gb.
02:26 mtj wizzyrea++ yep, thats the one :)
02:28 wizzyrea to be fair xp is probably fine if no one ever uses it for anything and it's inside a firewall or not plugged into a network.
02:28 rangi it holds open doors well
02:28 * wizzyrea nods in agreement
02:29 wizzyrea air gaps are decently good at keeping xp from getting malware.
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02:30 jcamins wizzyrea: unless you're that security researcher with the air gap-jumping malware.
02:30 dcook I've been thinking about switching my netbook to Ubuntu or at least dual booting it..
02:30 wizzyrea I said "decently good"
02:31 * wizzyrea is glad that your email filter worked
02:31 jcamins gmcharlt: around?
02:31 wizzyrea considering setting up one of my own :P
02:31 gmcharlt jcamins: yep?
02:31 wahanui yep.
02:32 jcamins gmcharlt: where do you want me to push bug 10691?
02:32 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10691 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Passed QA , 5xx not properly linked by authid in authority search result list
02:32 jcamins Assuming I like it, of course.
02:32 jcamins If it doesn't work, I won't push it anywhere.
02:32 gmcharlt jcamins: how about a create a new repo for you on git.k-c.org?
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02:33 jcamins gmcharlt: that'll work. I'm also fine with pushing to koha.git/modmaint/authorities or something like that.
02:37 gmcharlt jcamins: gitmaster@git.koha-community.org:mm/jcamins
02:37 jcamins gmcharlt: thanks.
02:37 gmcharlt you alone have push access
02:37 rangi unless you are using windows xp, and then the whole world now does
02:38 * rangi wont let it go :)
02:38 jcamins lol
02:38 jcamins rangi: Windows 98SE.
02:38 jcamins As it happens, this is very secure because IT JUST CRASHED.
02:38 rangi heh
02:38 gmcharlt rangi: so you're saying Windows XP promotes global collaboration?
02:38 gmcharlt ;)
02:42 jcamins rangi: are anzac biscuits a NZ thing in addition to an Australia thing?
02:42 rangi they are
02:42 eythian definitely
02:42 rangi we probably invented them
02:42 rangi pretty much everything in australia we actually invented
02:42 rangi including kangaroos
02:42 jcamins lol
02:42 jcamins Are they a really big deal? Apparently they're a really important part of Australian culture.
02:42 * eythian doesn't claim the platypus. that thing is too ridiculous.
02:43 eythian jcamins: they are quite a big deal, yeah
02:43 eythian you'll see them all over, especially around ANZAC day, unsurprisingly.
02:44 wizzyrea https://31.media.tumblr.com/73[…]1qdlh1io1_400.gif pretty sure we wouldn't claim this kangaroo either.
02:45 eythian http://our-shed.co.uk/blog/wp-[…]cks-kid-in-th.gif <-- would totally claim this one though
02:45 rangi there has been controversy about anzac biscuits lately
02:46 mtj hmm…we should call them 'patriot biscuits'?
02:46 rangi naw someone changed the recipe or something
02:46 mtj freedom biscuits
02:47 mtj damn, thats funny
02:47 rangi like they left out golden syrup or something
02:48 rangi which is pretty much the entire point
02:48 dcook I seem to remember Arnotts saying that they were going to do something to them
02:48 dcook But I thought that was a while ago
02:48 rangi thats right
02:48 dcook jcamins: They are rather tasty
02:48 mtj this really is all news to me
02:48 dcook I think NZ might also have dibbs on Lamingtons
02:49 dcook Lammingtons?
02:49 rangi and pavlova
02:49 rangi and flat whites
02:49 dcook Still have yet to eat pavlova
02:49 rangi and jet boats
02:49 dcook Really, flat whites?
02:49 dcook My wife was outraged not to find flat whites in Canada
02:49 rangi heh
02:49 dcook She had numerous rants about the lack of flat whites
02:49 mtj i think i'm thinking of afghan biscuits…with cornflakes?!
02:49 dcook It wasn't until one of our last days that she had a cup of coffee she deemed "acceptable"
02:49 rangi you can keep russel crowe tho
02:49 dcook Do we have tO?
02:49 dcook to*
02:50 rangi mtj: yeah those are afghans
02:50 jcamins I always thought Russel Crowe was USian.
02:50 mtj wow, wiki entry -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_biscuit
02:50 rangi born in nz, mostly lived in aussie
02:50 dcook Everyone is secretly Australian
02:50 jcamins He's a bit of a jerk, yeah?
02:50 rangi yep
02:50 rangi thats the aussie side
02:50 rangi hehe
02:50 dcook hehe
02:50 mtj Edmonds Cookery Book++
02:50 dcook So many people I thought were American...actually Australian
02:50 rangi he was cool as hell when he was like 2 years old
02:50 rangi :)
02:50 gmcharlt rangi: you know this from personal experience? ;0
02:50 jcamins Edmonds Cookery Book?
02:51 rangi yep, we know everyone
02:51 rangi jcamins: thats the one, kf has a copy of it. kathryn got it for her
02:51 rangi all the best recipes in there
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02:51 rangi heh
02:52 rangi BobB must have heard me making fun of australia
02:52 mtj jcamins -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[…]onds_Cookery_Book
02:52 BobB rangi was that you making fun of Australia?
02:52 jcamins I have really weird authority records.
02:52 rangi heh
02:53 dcook IE7 is only in XP? Awesome. Maybe April will bring change...
02:53 * dcook won't get his hopes up though
02:53 mtj wow - The book has been described as "as much a part of New Zealand kitchens as a stove and knife," and at one time it was "sent unsolicited to every newly engaged couple in New Zealand."
02:53 dcook I'm referring to corporate environments rather than Koha though
02:53 dcook mtj: That's wild
02:54 eythian I have one of those around somewhere, I think
02:55 dcook rangi++
02:55 dcook Catalyst++
02:55 mtj rangi, for the record…     -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anzac_biscuit  :)
02:56 * dcook is reading emails - not being totally random
02:56 rangi heh
02:57 dcook Damn it, now I want Anzac biscuits..
02:57 dcook We had a bit of a ban in the house as they're too easy to make
02:57 mtj Legal issues - The term Anzac is protected under Australian law[5] and cannot be used in Australia without permission from the Minister for Veterans' Affairs;[6] misuse can be legally enforced particularly for commercial purposes.
02:57 dcook Can't be eating cookies all the time
02:58 mtj There is a general exemption granted for Anzac biscuits, as long as these biscuits remain basically true to the original recipe and are both referred to and sold as Anzac biscuits and never as cookies.[9]
02:58 jcamins Seriously, these authority records...
02:58 jcamins so weird.
02:59 jcamins Gemeinsame Normdatei, I'm looking at you!
02:59 mtj jcamins,  you and liz should swap  :p
03:00 jcamins mtj: nah, she can keep her weird authority records. I don't need more.
03:03 wizzyrea migration_toolbox++
03:05 kathryn jacamins rangi mtj:oh I'm late to the party! afghans = biscuits for breakfast! anzac biscuits are only good if you know the person who made them! <-- opinions
03:05 kathryn :)
03:06 jcamins Oh dear.
03:06 jcamins 10691 isn't looking so good.
03:06 mtj hey kathryn,  this idea works with all biscuits, too ^^
03:06 kathryn add golden syrup jacamins
03:07 mtj and sandwiches too :p
03:07 * dcook tries to remember if they have "golden syrup" in America
03:07 dcook I don't think I'd heard of it until I came to Oz
03:07 * dcook hasn't baked regularly in 20 years though
03:07 jcamins This is a disaster.
03:07 mtj …also, sandwiches are better at other peoples houses
03:07 jcamins I wonder what went wrong.
03:07 dcook mtj: I don't know...I think I prefer my sandwiches
03:07 dcook Mind you, I haven't had NZ sandwiches
03:08 mtj no no… the thrill of new condiments
03:08 jcamins mtj: only when you're a kid.
03:08 mtj ok, yeah, perhaps…
03:08 jcamins I don't like other people's sandwiches now that I'm an adult.
03:08 * wizzyrea suspects that mtj is really a big kid.
03:08 jcamins Actually, I didn't like sandwiches at all when I was a kid.
03:08 jcamins I would have everything in separate pieces.
03:09 jcamins I'd pile it all together, then eat the filling followed by the bread.
03:09 wizzyrea ^ is what spud does
03:09 jcamins The odd thing is, I had no problem with the different foods touching each other.
03:10 jcamins I don't exactly remember why this seemed necessary, but it wasn't until my late teens that I stopped doing that.
03:10 kathryn mtj: no limits on breakfasts foods :)
03:13 mtj kathryn, absolutely no limits on breakfasts foods
03:13 wizzyrea beans on toast.
03:14 kathryn oh and hi dcook :)
03:15 dcook heya kathryn :)
03:15 mtj wait, does that mean any food at breakfast time?
03:15 mtj or breakfast foods, at any time?
03:16 mtj (fwiw, my rule covers both cases)
03:25 * jcamins reads the instructions for Munchkin, which he now owns.
03:32 eythian it's good fun
03:32 eythian I own that also
03:34 rangi oh man
03:34 rangi i am so backing this
03:34 rangi http://www.kickstarter.com/pro[…]-zealand?ref=city
03:34 rangi To become a modern, trendy Food Truck or Cart so we can bring the streets of Belgium to the streets of Wellington and eventually all of New Zealand...
03:35 rangi SOLD!
03:36 BobB Irma is from Liege and she makes those!  Yum
03:36 wizzyrea oh man.
03:36 rangi i really like the backing prizes too
03:36 eythian ooooooo
03:36 wizzyrea tell me they are putting that in the market across the street.
03:36 rangi not unless you back it they arent!
03:36 kathryn same thought wizzyrea :)
03:36 dcook Oh my...
03:38 wizzyrea daw send us to the soup kitchen.
03:38 wizzyrea that IS a good prize.
03:38 dcook Those are some legit prizes
03:39 * dcook hasn't had a good belgian waffle in years..
03:39 wizzyrea oh ok. Even if I don't get to get a wafel every week for a month I'll still give em some money. :P
03:39 dcook BobB: How far away do you live again? ;)
03:46 mtompset Actually IE7 was in Vista.
03:48 dcook Mmm fun times...
03:48 * dcook will be stuck with folks using IE7 forever
03:49 wizzyrea man screw ie7 srs.
03:49 wizzyrea vista also, should be dead if it isn't.
03:57 BobB dcook, we're near North Sydney, 10km from you maybe
03:58 BobB waffles and beer?
04:01 dcook waffles and beer sounds awesome
04:01 Irma Did I hear talk about Liege waffles? I still have 2kg of "sucre perle" ....
04:01 dcook We should make this happen sometime
04:02 dcook I don't think I've ever seen sucre perle before now
04:02 dcook Irma: I think we were all drooling over the prospect of Liege waffles :)
04:02 Irma the waffle iron will need a slight dusting but let's do it in Jan/Feb.
04:03 dcook Sure. Jan/Feb should work for me :)
04:04 Irma :-)
04:04 Irma sorry back to work ...
04:09 dcook Same ;)
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04:47 eythian In case anyone was following the Koha trademark thing in NZ, it's been decided in favour of HLT. mtj, you might be interested in that.
04:49 BobB woot woot!!
04:49 dcook \o/
04:49 dcook confetti!
04:49 wahanui somebody said confetti was http://25.media.tumblr.com/tum[…]1qh8hleo1_400.gif
04:49 dcook confetti?
04:49 wahanui confetti is probably http://25.media.tumblr.com/tum[…]1qh8hleo1_400.gif
04:49 dcook confetti
04:49 wahanui it has been said that confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tum[…]1qh8hleo1_400.gif
04:49 dcook :@
04:49 BobB Congratulations to the HLT team and thanks to mtj for your part
04:50 Irma Great outcome! Thanks for letting us know eythian
04:50 dcook Awesome awesome news
04:52 mtj yay for the HLT Koha™ project
04:57 mtj may it continue on its award-winning, next-gened path to ecilpsdom
05:03 dcook Eating bananas while programming is not easy
05:04 * dcook just thought he would lighten the mood with another fact\
05:04 dcook eythian: Has that result been published anywhere that one could link to?
05:04 eythian I had a brief look but couldn't find it.
05:04 eythian I think the IPONZ site hasn't yet been updated with it.
05:05 dcook Cool beans. I'll have to take another look tomorrow.
05:22 mtj i'm very keen to read any info on it - and/or chat about it over a beer sometime :p
05:23 mtj eythian ^^
05:25 dcook Beer and waffles!
05:25 * dcook is just sayin'...
05:26 dcook dbs: Are you around at the moment?
05:26 eythian http://ubuntuone.com/2nhMGB1Pzur3ShLzMlvS3N <-- dcook, mtj
05:26 dcook Actually, I think I figured it out..
05:27 dcook Yep, totes got it now
05:31 BobB eythian thank you, that will be a good read.
05:31 dcook It's fascinating so far
05:31 dcook Irma++
05:31 eythian it is interesting
05:31 dcook rangi++
05:31 BobB I hadn't realised CIT was a party to the proceedings.  Well done.  Costs awarded too.
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05:32 mtj awesome, thanks eythian :)
05:41 rangi costs awarded too
05:48 dcook Yay for the result and the costs awarded
05:48 dcook Very interesting findings
05:49 * rangi has to go talk to reporters now
05:57 mtompset Hmmm... So basically the applicants can't use "Koha" in NZ?
05:58 * mtompset is going to bed having succeeded at getting his 38.69K patch tested successfully. :)
06:00 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. The ruling already is nice. :)
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07:09 mtj man, i tell ya… i can crash mysql just by looking at it :/
07:13 mtj ive been trying to switch to 'innodb_file_per_table'
07:15 mtj after reboot, mysql always comes up completely borked
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07:35 reiveune hello
07:35 wahanui niihau, reiveune
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07:59 alex_a bonjour
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08:10 gaetan_B hello
08:12 cait hello all
08:56 Joubu Hello #koha
08:56 Joubu I'm happy to see that there has been answers to my email :)
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09:04 kivilahtio Joubu: If I want a timetamp yyyymmddhhmmss or similar format, should I use Koha::DateUtils, or Koha::Calendar or C4::Dates?
09:05 kivilahtio We should use Koha:: IMHO but the Koha::DateUtils is a temporary module for wrappers to hide the complexity of switch to DateTime?
09:05 Joubu kivilahtio: use Koha:: DateUtils
09:05 kivilahtio nothing is more persistent than temporary :)
09:05 kivilahtio thanks
09:06 Joubu kivilahtio: if you want to display a date depending on the pref format (dateformat) use the Koha:: DateUtils::output_pref routine
09:07 kivilahtio Joubu: wow someone has documented this since I last took a look into this
09:07 kivilahtio Joubu: I'll try to wrap my head around this
09:11 cait kivilahtio: don't use C4:*
09:33 kivilahtio So what is the proper term for staff client/intranet/staff interface?
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09:58 ashimema Mornin' #koha
10:42 cait morning ashimema
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11:08 rangi i should be on here tomorrow http://www.radionz.co.nz/natio[…]mes/morningreport
11:08 rangi at about 7.30am nz time
11:08 cait cool
11:09 cait seems you can listen live without problems from germany
11:09 rangi talking about the fact that the liblime trademark has been rejected
11:09 cait woohoo!
11:09 cait confetti!
11:09 wahanui it has been said that confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tum[…]1qh8hleo1_400.gif
11:09 cait hehe :)
11:09 rangi so i better hit the hay, so i wake up in time
11:10 cait sleep well
11:23 * mtj sets his alarm for 7:30am
11:24 cait :)
11:24 cait hi mtj :)
11:26 * mtj ponders how many years its been, since he waited for this good news…
11:26 mtj hiya cait
11:34 cait too many
11:39 mtj indeed - the wheels of justice, greed and stupidity turn slow
11:39 cait at least we got the right ending
11:55 kivilahtio So I can listen to the programme afterwards it seems
11:56 kivilahtio so very cool, I'll advertise this around!
11:56 mtj ha, yeah… that is a good point cait  :)
11:56 kivilahtio I hope someone could remind mne about this :)
11:57 * mtj sets kivilahtio's alarm for 7:30am :p
11:58 mtj hokay, i'm off to bed too…  nite all
11:58 kivilahtio mtj: We have bathroom renovations in our apartment block. I get a regular alarm every morning 7:30-8:30 am whether I wanted it or not
11:58 kivilahtio gnite!
11:58 mtj man, thats a bummer ^^
11:59 kivilahtio Well we get new porcelain
11:59 kivilahtio to replace the piss-burnt ones
11:59 mtj lol, great phrase!
12:05 kivilahtio mtj: I've got plenty of those in my sleeve :)
12:05 kivilahtio go to bed now, whoosh
12:12 cait kivilahtio: 19:30 here of course, i set my phone
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12:31 tcohen morning #koha
12:31 cait morning tcohen
12:31 cait did you see the big good news yet?
12:32 tcohen nope
12:32 tcohen which?
12:32 wahanui which is, like, quite horrible
12:32 cait nz trademark is safe!
12:32 tcohen weeeeeeeeeeeee
12:33 tcohen congrats kiwis :-D
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12:33 cait tcohen: there is a bit on twitter
12:34 cait https://twitter.com/normnz/sta[…]10654460357013504
12:36 tcohen :-D \o/
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12:40 tcohen jcamins: can you tell me how to build an authority record that shows wrong with my patch?
12:41 jcamins Argh! What happened to my hilite window?!?
12:42 jcamins tcohen: of course.
12:42 * cait hides
12:42 jcamins The easiest thing to do is get a record from Germany.
12:42 * tcohen wishes he knew more about marc
12:44 jcamins But I *think* that you can recreate the problem just by putting a relationship into $w.
12:44 tcohen ok, let me try
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12:46 cait hi drojf
12:47 jcamins Okay, hilight window is back.
12:47 drojf hi cait
12:47 drojf hi #koha
12:47 cait :)
12:48 tcohen jcamins: in 400 for example? or 500?
12:48 drojf the irc meeting in the topic is outdated btw
12:49 jcamins tcohen: 500.
12:49 tcohen jcamins: numbers from 0 to 5?
12:50 jcamins I will check exactly what I have.
12:51 jcamins Actually, looks like it causes problems with 4xx too.
12:51 jcamins 410 1# $aNew York (City).$bPolice Dept.$wnnaa
12:52 jcamins 510 2# $aAstor Library$wr
12:52 tcohen oh, I see
12:53 tcohen is just a wrong newline!
12:54 tcohen no, i broke it bad heh
12:55 kivilahtio breaking bad!
12:55 tcohen i'll provide a followup, would you take a look?
12:55 jcamins Certainly. Thanks!
12:56 tcohen hi kivilahtio
12:56 kivilahtio hi tcohen!
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13:01 * francharb waves
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13:05 * cait waves at francharb
13:05 francharb :)
13:05 * tcohen hates some variable names...
13:05 cait oh?
13:07 tcohen how would you call a variable that holds wether a link is a seefrom or seealso kind of link?
13:08 cait linktype?
13:08 tcohen like it, i don't like "label"
13:08 cait you will have to argue with jcamins about those ;)
13:09 * jcamins is not attached to variable names.
13:11 kivilahtio tcohen: I would name it linkIsSeeFromOrSeeAlso
13:11 jcamins kivilahtio: I stand corrected.
13:11 kivilahtio especially if you are using it in boolean, or n-state flag
13:11 kivilahtio let the compiler otimize it :)
13:11 kivilahtio jcamins: I would rather write code for humans that for computers
13:12 jcamins kivilahtio: but that variable will have the name even long after the variable's use is expanded.
13:12 kivilahtio jcamins: good point
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13:13 kivilahtio linkType sounds good :) And a nice documentation next to the variable about what it's values are ment to be
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13:14 * cait is still trying to fix the links in the carts and lists... and meh.
13:14 cait bug 5010
13:14 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5010 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Incomplete links in carts and lists sent from the staff client
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13:25 oleonard Hi #koha
13:26 kivilahtio hi oleonard
13:26 cait hi oleonard
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14:01 oleonard Seems crazy that we haven't added a "restore deleted biblilo/item" feature yet
14:02 kivilahtio oleonard: I guess it might be usefull
14:02 kivilahtio oleonard: better htan creating those objects from scratch
14:03 jcamins oleonard: I presume it doesn't get enough use that people miss it.
14:03 kivilahtio jcamins: Yeah, unless someone asks for, I wouldnt do it.
14:04 kivilahtio oleonard: Tho I have a gut feeling librarians here will come asking for it.
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14:10 Dyrcona Heh. In Evergreen world we constantly get asked why deleted items are not really deleted.
14:13 oleonard Why does it come up Dyrcona?
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14:21 tcohen jcamins, I should mark it needs.signoff, right?
14:21 jcamins How big is the follow-up?
14:22 tcohen small
14:22 jcamins Actually, yeah, I guess we need another sign off regardless.
14:23 tcohen done
14:23 jcamins I'll put a note saying I'll review it again once it has one sign off.
14:24 oleonard So how will PTFS compete in New Zealand now that they can't use the trademark as a bludgeon against competitors?
14:24 tcohen d*mn I forgot the OPAC heh
14:25 jcamins Oh, say, while you're editing the OPAC... fancy adding it to Bootstrap? :)
14:25 kivilahtio jcamins: I always forget bootstrap duh
14:26 ashimema anyone out there got a reasonably small, but quiet extensive in terms of use cases, marc21 demo database?
14:26 tcohen jcamins: yes
14:26 jcamins Thanks!
14:27 ashimema I want to stick a sensible sized one on the PTFS Europe sandbox.. thinking one that include some analytics, and a few users of various types..
14:27 ashimema just wodnered if anyone had compiled such a thing, or wether I need to strip down what I'm currently using.
14:27 jcamins ashimema: I'm not aware of one like that.
14:28 ashimema cheers jcamins.. had a feeling that would probably be the case.. I'll get hacking at this one to trim it down a bit then.
14:30 * cait waves
14:30 druthb o/
14:30 druthb cait!!
14:31 cait oleonard: it used to exist - the undo deletes, got broken sometime along the way
14:31 oleonard Is it possible in one query to pull title/biblionumber information based on barcode whether the barcode is in deleteditems or items, the title in deletedbiblio or biblio?
14:31 * tcohen loves bonus points
14:32 jcamins oleonard: in a monster query you could.
14:32 cait druthb! :)
14:33 jcamins oleonard: I think you'd need to use subqueries + unions.
14:34 cait oleonard: yes, using unions would work, certainly possible
14:49 mtj peeps, what the best strategy to handle a old koha- 3.0.4 , that is missing its $999x mapping, during an upgrade…?
14:50 tcohen jcamins: done
14:50 jcamins mtj: where is biblionumber stored?
14:50 jcamins Off the top of my head, the best option would seem to be a script that retroactively puts biblionumber into all the records.
14:51 mtj jcamins, looks like $090, (afaik, the default place for koha-3.0)
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14:53 mtj hmm, this bug must exist for every koha upgrade, before the 999 move
14:54 tcohen cait: bug 10691
14:54 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10691 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , 5xx not properly linked by authid in authority search result list
14:55 tcohen is your bug, all yours :-P
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14:57 tcohen jcamins: are 4xx$w and 5xx$w fixed value fields?
14:57 tcohen should them by handled by authorized values?
14:57 jcamins tcohen: sort of.
14:58 jcamins The authority plugin handles the normalish options.
15:00 cait jcamins: so those are not used for an id but for some kind of type declaration?
15:01 jcamins cait: right.
15:01 jcamins ID is in $0 and $9.
15:01 jcamins how about more marc?
15:01 jcamins more marc?
15:01 jcamins what we need is more marc?
15:01 jcamins marc?
15:01 wahanui marc is the standard that isn't
15:01 jcamins Ummm...
15:02 jcamins let's add more marc?
15:02 cait oh ok :)
15:02 cait we need more marc
15:02 cait we need more marc!
15:02 cait wahanui: we need more marc
15:02 wahanui cait: excuse me?
15:02 cait hm.
15:02 cait wahanui: marc?
15:02 wahanui rumour has it marc is the standard that isn't
15:03 cait maybe you have to be rangi for this to work :)
15:03 jcamins Heh.
15:03 jcamins So it would seem.
15:03 tcohen jcamins: i dont' see any plugin for $w
15:04 jcamins tcohen: it's handled by the authority plugin.
15:04 jcamins Because $w is not independent of $a.
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15:04 tcohen ok, i'll dig
15:05 jcamins The plugin is on $a.
15:11 cait magnus_away++
15:11 cait seems like the hackfest is going well!
15:11 cait i see bug reports coming in :)
15:11 cait magnuse++
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15:37 oleonard cait: hackfest?
15:37 wahanui hackfest is awesome! Group motivated koha hacking is the best koha hacking :)
15:37 cait oleonard: they are having an event in norway
15:38 cait yesterday and today i think
15:40 oleonard Neat
15:49 tcohen ok, fixed bug 10691, and rebased 10987 against the latest patches
15:49 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10691 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , 5xx not properly linked by authid in authority search result list
15:49 tcohen Joubu: I got the bonus points as fixed for bottstrap too
15:50 Joubu tcohen++ :)
16:27 oleonard gmcharlt: You're just forcing mbalmer to file a new "Koha uses MySQL" bug :P
16:28 gmcharlt oleonard: pressing the RESO/DUPE button is exercise, right? ;)
16:38 cait gmcharlt: I am going to propose a few patches for bug 5010 for feedback...
16:38 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5010 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Incomplete links in carts and lists sent from the staff client
16:46 gmcharlt cait++
16:47 cait not sure they are any good
16:47 cait but maybe giving it a nudge and someone has a better idea
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17:26 gmcharlt jcamins: would be of any use to you to have the master branch on mm/jcamins be automatically updated whenever that branch on the main repo gets updated?
17:26 druthb @quote random
17:26 huginn druthb: Quote #244: "'If you really didn't do it yourself, then yes, the only other conclusion is you were/are hacked by someone who likes to upgrade Koha'" (added by mtj at 10:37 PM, April 30, 2013)
17:30 mtj ah, yep  - that was a good one… ^^
17:31 reiveune bye
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17:37 mtj and gmcharlt++ for bug 7365 :)
17:37 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7365 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Koha should support PostgreSQL
17:42 oleonard It's been a long time since we heard from the mysterious vigilante Koha upgrader
17:43 oleonard The Koha support cartels probably conspired to put him behind bars
17:43 gmcharlt oleonard: oh, if you miss him that badly, just wander over to #postgresql on Freenode
17:43 gmcharlt ;)
17:55 gaetan_B bye!
18:07 tcohen jcamins: do u think that for bug 8018 we should just make 0 mean 'no limit'?
18:07 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8018 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , New subfields have a default max length of zero
18:09 rambutan @seen rangi
18:09 huginn rambutan: rangi was last seen in #koha 7 hours and 2 seconds ago: <rangi> so i better hit the hay, so i wake up in time
18:11 cait rambutan: he shoudl be on radio soon
18:11 rambutan radio?
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18:15 cait rambutan: about the trademark
18:15 jcamins tcohen: that might be a good idea, yeah.
18:17 PabloAB Hi jcamins, I have just entered. What do you think about my solution to bug 8018?
18:17 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8018 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , New subfields have a default max length of zero
18:18 jcamins PabloAB: is that the solution tcohen just asked about?
18:20 PabloAB I didn't login fast enough to read tcohen question, but we were talking on gtalk.
18:22 PabloAB ​ Librarians and I break our heads trying to find out why we weren't able to add anything to a recently added subfield, because we didn't go to   "more constrains"
18:22 tcohen the patch that introduced the maxlenght set a default of 9999
18:23 PabloAB I agree "0" might be "no limits", but that require more tweaks on source code, now the bug I think is a big one
18:25 PabloAB That's right, at SQL level I think, but right now (at least with my Koha 3.12.06.000) If you create a new subfield and forget going "more constraints" you will never be able to write a bit in it.
18:27 gmcharlt FWIW, I have no objection to having maxlength of 0 be interpreted as unlimited
18:28 gmcharlt nor, for that matter, tossing in a $maxlength //= 9999 prior to inserts
18:31 cait talking about the trademark now
18:32 cait http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/live/national.asx there was a short note but i missed part of it
18:33 rambutan cait: ah! that's what I was inquiring about. I haven't seen the news, but surmised that the case had been decided against the trademark, so that is confirmed then?
18:34 rambutan google isn't showing anything about it
18:35 cait rambutan: https://twitter.com/normnz/sta[…]10654460357013504
18:36 rambutan tnx
18:38 oleonard Can't... stop... feeding... troll!
18:40 cait it's on now
18:40 cait rangi talking
18:40 gmcharlt *listening*
18:43 rangi gah that sucked
18:43 rangi should be on the site soon
18:43 cait no it didn't :)
18:44 rangi umm umm umm
18:44 cait ummwhat?
18:44 rangi thats what i kept saying
18:44 gmcharlt rangi: umms of joy, right?
18:44 cait :)
18:44 rangi heh
18:47 rangi live to air interviews
18:47 rangi are hard
18:47 rangi when its going out to a million or so listeners
18:47 rangi FREAK OUT
18:47 cait rangi++ you did grat
18:47 cait great even
18:47 gmcharlt rangi:++
18:47 rangi ok gotta go catch a bus
18:47 oleonard rangi++
18:47 rangi i managed to get a plug in for biblibre too
18:54 jcamins For future reference, don't braise duck wings.
18:54 rambutan Let me jot that down
18:54 oleonard Oh no, did rangi really tell those millions of listeners to braise duck wings?!
18:55 cait lol
18:55 rambutan so jcamins, pray tell, what about the braised duck wings?
18:58 jcamins There's no meat on duck wings.
18:59 rambutan ah, yes, quite so.
18:59 jcamins Having braised the wings, I am now just putting them in a stock.
18:59 rangi Interview is online now
18:59 rangi In ogg too
19:00 rambutan good
19:00 tcohen rangi++
19:00 rangi http://www.radionz.co.nz/natio[…]mes/morningreport
19:00 rambutan that other thing required a proprietary plugin
19:00 rangi Scroll to bottom ogg link on the right
19:01 cait they are really fast
19:01 tcohen bye #koha
19:04 rambutan rangi++
19:06 rangi Yeah radio nz are cool as hell
19:06 rangi Public funded broadcaster ftw
19:06 rambutan good interview rangi, and yea, the ogg was fine
19:06 kathryn yay rangi !!
19:06 kathryn yay koha :)
19:06 rangi Thanks it was live to air and I had no idea what the questions would be
19:06 kathryn you sounds so kiwi!
19:07 rangi I scrambled a bit
19:07 kathryn nah, you sound like a real person
19:07 kathryn and not a scrambly one
19:07 * cait has to agree with kathryn :)
19:07 * cait waves to kathryn
19:07 cait dinner time, bbl
19:07 * kathryn waves back :)
19:08 cait and if someone gets bored... igot a few patches waiting for sign off out there :)
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19:16 mtj Koha™ FTW -> http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player/2579603
19:21 mtj chris, well said, well done :)
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19:48 rangi back at work now
19:49 cait :)
19:49 gmcharlt khall++ # being a good sport about feedback
19:49 rangi khall++
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19:50 Brooke o/
19:50 * Brooke hands rangi a cookie
19:50 khall let it me known that I will mail any contraband requested to anywhere in the world if it motivates anyone to test the accounts rewrite more ; )
19:50 cait he really is
19:50 cait khall++
19:51 khall cait: you need more peanutbutter cups yet ; )
19:51 cait hehe they are all gone...
19:52 khall if you are going to the biblibre hackfest I'll make sure to send some with Brendan
19:52 Brooke wait, are we bribing her with Reese's or Trader Joe's here?
19:52 rangi lol i went overboard
19:52 rangi im gonna put that in my .signature
19:52 Brooke it's okay rangi, at least you didn't beat a colleague with a rescue tube.
19:52 Brooke >.>
19:52 Brooke <.<
19:53 khall I've got a Trader Joe's not but 90 minutes from home .. :;)
19:53 francharb ?
19:53 * francharb waves Brooke
19:53 * khall lives in the sticks
19:53 * Brooke hugs francharb
19:53 francharb :)
19:54 cait khall: :D
19:54 oleonard rangi: overboard?
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19:55 rangi koha-devel mailing list
19:55 wahanui koha-devel mailing list is the best place for that
19:56 cait khall: i only know reese's so far :)
19:57 francharb they are the best
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19:57 francharb ;)
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20:02 brendan_ I can bring some trader joes peanut butter cups - there are 3 in my town
20:02 * Brooke gasps
20:03 Brooke surely we must corrupt you to try Trader Joe's dark when next we see ye >:)
20:03 Brooke hey pianohacker
20:03 wahanui I HATE XML
20:04 pianohacker hey Brooke
20:04 jcamins There are a gazillion in the city, but I try to avoid them.
20:06 cait i am happy with the cheap ones too :)
20:06 * druthb waves to Brooke
20:06 jcamins Oh no! rangi's gone overboard!
20:06 * Brooke winks at druthb
20:07 * Brooke saves him
20:07 Brooke Don't worry, just stay calm, I'm a lifeguard, you're going to be okay.
20:07 jcamins Rangi's still overboard!
20:07 ashimema I get the feeling I've just missed somthing.. rangi gone overboard.. does he need a lifegaurd?
20:08 * Brooke chalks up another save.
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20:08 jcamins Brooke: I don't know... he was overboard long enough to lose his identity.
20:09 Brooke that's hospital's problme
20:09 jcamins Heh.
20:09 cait ashimema: good thinking... we should throw him some cookies...
20:11 ashimema Just listening to Chris's radio stuff now.. nice work chris.
20:12 Brooke yep, said all the right things :D
20:18 rangi heh
20:19 ashimema he's back.. :)
20:19 ashimema nice work on the radio rangi.
20:20 rangi thank you
20:20 rangi was nerve ranking, being live to air, and no idea what questions, dont want to do that again if possible ;)
20:21 ashimema I can imagine, would scare the crap out of me.
20:22 wizzyrea rangi++ you sound at least twice as coherent as the average radio interviewee
20:22 cait wizzyrea: tell him!
20:23 Brooke wizzyrea++
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20:27 cait hi paul_p
20:27 ashimema I'm gonna get an early night.. see you all tomorrow no doubt #koha
20:27 paul_p hi cait (& others)
20:27 paul_p sweet dreams ashimema
20:27 ashimema_sleeping cheers paul_p
20:28 cait by ashimema_sleeping
20:29 rangi cya ashimema_sleeping
20:29 rangi hi paul_p, i managed to get in a plug for biblibre too
20:30 paul_p rangi ??? plug ?
20:30 cait he mentioned biblibre and the EU trademark in his radio interview
20:30 * cait translates
20:31 pianohacker english -> german -> english -> french
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20:35 Brooke right. I'm hungry and have a headache because I didn't eat yet. XD Laters folks
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21:07 cait @wunder Konstanz
21:07 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0°C (10:00 PM CET on December 11, 2013). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.59 in 1036 hPa (Falling).
21:08 cait so quiet tonight
21:08 cait shouldn#t we have a party? :)
21:10 drojf IE7 party?
21:11 cait trademark party :)
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21:16 drojf so, given the low numbers that mathieu gave for users of old browsers, the discussion is now if we want that paul a. has to upgrade his old computers for koha? :P
21:17 pianohacker cait: trademark party?
21:17 cait (20:16:57) mtj: Koha™ FTW -> http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player/2579603
21:20 wizzyrea ain't no party like an IE7 party cuz an IE7 party don't stop (until windows XP is EOL)
21:21 drojf the xp is safe. for.evar.
21:21 wizzyrea meh, microsoft says it's dangerous. They made it. I trust them, at least to know that.
21:22 drojf just sales tactics ;)
21:23 gmcharlt drojf: embedded in concrete with a Marine guarding it?
21:23 gmcharlt (re safety)
21:23 drojf lol
21:25 wizzyrea the only safe windows xp is the one that is holding open the door.
21:25 jcamins wizzyrea: my digital door is always open thanks to Windows XP!
21:26 wizzyrea hehehehehe
21:29 jcamins What should I have for dinner?
21:29 drojf roasted xp?
21:29 drojf with spicy IE7 sauce
21:29 jcamins drojf: heh.
21:30 jcamins Oh, wait.
21:30 jcamins I have broccoli!
21:30 jcamins Yay!
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21:48 eythian I deactivated the previous trademark document URL because we weren't sure it was to be shared. Turns out it is, the new one is at: http://ubuntuone.com/2nhMGB1Pzur3ShLzMlvS3N
21:50 cait thx eythian
22:15 pianohacker woooooooooooooohaa!
22:16 cait pianohacker: that took a while... ;)
22:16 rangi i like how they argue they dont do koha, and assistant commissioner agrees and says yes, thats why you cant register the mark, cos it would cause confusion k thx bai
22:16 pianohacker I read the whole thing (for reasons I don't quite understand)
22:16 rangi hehe
22:17 rangi its actually pretty understandable, for legalese
22:17 pianohacker rangi: indeed! which pages are you referencing, though?
22:18 cait wondered the same
22:18 cait have been reading it too :)
22:19 rangi its in their submitted evidence
22:19 rangi which is referenced in the findings
22:19 rangi 2 secs
22:22 rangi 38.5 and 38.4
22:22 wahanui 76.9
22:22 drojf lol
22:22 rangi thanks wahanui
22:23 rangi and 43
22:25 rangi http://paste.koha-community.org/28
22:25 pianohacker that's excellent
22:28 rangi google translate now has maori as an option
22:29 cait nice!
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22:37 wizzyrea eythian++ for troll slapping.
22:49 talljoy-phone marc?
22:49 wahanui The MARC specs live at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ - abandon hope all ye who enter here.
22:49 talljoy-phone thanks wahanui
22:49 wizzyrea lol.
22:49 talljoy-phone i needz to educate some librarians
22:52 rangi heh
22:52 pianohacker talljoy-phone: there's education and then there's sadism
22:52 talljoy yes, true that.  i am fighting windmills ,no?
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22:54 talljoy rangi do you have youtube clips of all your tv appearances?
22:54 rangi hehe ive only been on twice
22:54 rangi but no i dont
22:55 rangi i think i could pay tv3 some money
22:55 rangi and they would get it
22:55 rangi but meh
22:55 talljoy mmm ok. cuz i've been on tv never.  so you are two up on me!
22:55 rangi it was bad enough doing it, i dont want to to see it
22:55 talljoy you've had your 15 minutes minutes of fame plus some. ;-)
22:55 talljoy how did i type minutes twice?  must have been a wormhole in irc
22:56 rangi my best fame thing is this
22:57 rangi http://photos.bigballofwax.co.[…]hp/unsorted/photo
22:57 rangi which was in the papers here in 2006
22:58 talljoy what is that from?
22:58 rangi linux conf
22:59 talljoy ah!
22:59 rangi keynote speakers
22:59 cait :)
22:59 pianohacker yeah, that's one hell of a photo. Who are the two on the left?
22:59 rangi no idea
22:59 rangi some weirdo and some finnish guy
23:00 pianohacker oh haha sorry your left (the right)
23:00 talljoy i was wondering about your pianohacker
23:00 pianohacker You're in NZ, I switched 'em
23:00 rangi jon maddog hall on the right
23:00 talljoy thought maybe you were using a mirror to look at your screen.
23:01 pianohacker like the water in a toilet bowl
23:01 talljoy lol
23:01 talljoy i got nothing to say to that.
23:01 rangi and rusty russell
23:01 talljoy pianohacker i got a question for you.
23:02 rangi (he did most of netfilters/iptables amongst lots of other stuff)
23:02 pianohacker I've got a talljoy for ya
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23:02 rangi and maddog is just plain awesome
23:02 pianohacker rangi: So my most and least favorite person?
23:02 talljoy is there a status of "not available" that can be shown on the OPAC for items.  withdrawn shows Item Withdrawn Lost shows Lost, not for loan status shows Not for Loan.  I'm looking for something that will display "Item not Available"
23:03 rangi pianohacker: its way better than ipchains :)
23:03 talljoy i'm guessing that 'Item Not Available" is not an option for this library.
23:03 rangi hehe i like this spin
23:03 jcamins rangi: but Debian/kFreeBSD offers pf.
23:04 rangi Koha trademark case won by NZ
23:04 pianohacker talljoy: change authorised value description?
23:04 wahanui pianohacker: that doesn't look right
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23:04 rangi thats right the whole of NZ won
23:04 cait :)
23:04 pianohacker rangi: victory just as much for the US :)
23:04 cait talljoy: I thinkit might show for reference
23:05 cait if the item is not for loan/ itype not for loan
23:05 cait and then we have on order, but that's it I think for the results list
23:05 cait what are you trying to do?
23:05 cait for the detail page it's easier... you could have a not for loan 'not available' ?
23:06 talljoy a branch had a plumbing issue and all the items need to be "Not Available"
23:06 rangi "Covered in water"
23:07 talljoy but when I put in a description for Not Available on the withdrawn AV and edit the item it still shows 'Item Withdrawn'
23:07 talljoy http://catalog.siskiyou.bywate[…]?biblionumber=678
23:07 talljoy so clearly the OPAC description field in the AV doesn't display in this case.
23:08 jcamins Is there a reason you don't want to just check mark them checked out to a repair card? I think you can disable showing when the item is due on the details page, and it look right on the results display with no changes.
23:08 jcamins s/check mark/mark/
23:09 talljoy i thought of that. but i didn't really want to check out 5000 items to one patron, but I could.
23:09 jcamins Tell them not to use the reading history page for that patron.
23:09 talljoy lol
23:10 talljoy 6665 item records to be precise.
23:10 jcamins Tell them to buy one more book.
23:10 talljoy ha
23:10 rangi and pour water on it?
23:10 talljoy it bugs my ocd as well to see that
23:10 talljoy 6666 would be better.
23:10 jcamins rangi: well, I think they'd better, so everything is consistent.
23:13 talljoy if i check out the item the opac shows 'checked out'
23:13 talljoy that's no bueno either
23:13 rangi yay its pizza thursday
23:14 * rangi goes to eat pizza
23:14 talljoy it's potato wednesday here
23:14 talljoy mashed spuds for dinner
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23:15 jcamins Potato-pizza?
23:15 talljoy yummy
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23:17 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
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23:29 mtompset If I add a string which needs to be translatable, it needs to be in the template file, right?
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