Time  Nick              Message
23:29 mtompset          If I add a string which needs to be translatable, it needs to be in the template file, right?
23:17 mtompset          Greetings, #koha.
23:15 talljoy           yummy
23:15 jcamins           Potato-pizza?
23:14 talljoy           mashed spuds for dinner
23:14 talljoy           it's potato wednesday here
23:14 * rangi           goes to eat pizza
23:13 rangi             yay its pizza thursday
23:13 talljoy           that's no bueno either
23:13 talljoy           if i check out the item the opac shows 'checked out'
23:10 jcamins           rangi: well, I think they'd better, so everything is consistent.
23:10 talljoy           6666 would be better.
23:10 talljoy           it bugs my ocd as well to see that
23:10 rangi             and pour water on it?
23:10 talljoy           ha
23:10 jcamins           Tell them to buy one more book.
23:10 talljoy           6665 item records to be precise.
23:09 talljoy           lol
23:09 jcamins           Tell them not to use the reading history page for that patron.
23:09 talljoy           i thought of that. but i didn't really want to check out 5000 items to one patron, but I could.
23:08 jcamins           s/check mark/mark/
23:08 jcamins           Is there a reason you don't want to just check mark them checked out to a repair card? I think you can disable showing when the item is due on the details page, and it look right on the results display with no changes.
23:07 talljoy           so clearly the OPAC description field in the AV doesn't display in this case.
23:07 talljoy           http://catalog.siskiyou.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=678
23:07 talljoy           but when I put in a description for Not Available on the withdrawn AV and edit the item it still shows 'Item Withdrawn'
23:06 rangi             "Covered in water"
23:06 talljoy           a branch had a plumbing issue and all the items need to be "Not Available"
23:05 cait              for the detail page it's easier... you could have a not for loan 'not available' ?
23:05 cait              what are you trying to do?
23:05 cait              and then we have on order, but that's it I think for the results list
23:05 cait              if the item is not for loan/ itype not for loan
23:04 cait              talljoy: I thinkit might show for reference
23:04 pianohacker       rangi: victory just as much for the US :)
23:04 cait              :)
23:04 rangi             thats right the whole of NZ won
23:04 wahanui           pianohacker: that doesn't look right
23:04 pianohacker       talljoy: change authorised value description?
23:04 rangi             Koha trademark case won by NZ
23:03 jcamins           rangi: but Debian/kFreeBSD offers pf.
23:03 rangi             hehe i like this spin
23:03 talljoy           i'm guessing that 'Item Not Available" is not an option for this library.
23:03 rangi             pianohacker: its way better than ipchains :)
23:02 talljoy           is there a status of "not available" that can be shown on the OPAC for items.  withdrawn shows Item Withdrawn Lost shows Lost, not for loan status shows Not for Loan.  I'm looking for something that will display "Item not Available"
23:02 pianohacker       rangi: So my most and least favorite person?
23:02 rangi             and maddog is just plain awesome
23:02 pianohacker       I've got a talljoy for ya
23:02 rangi             (he did most of netfilters/iptables amongst lots of other stuff)
23:01 talljoy           pianohacker i got a question for you.
23:01 rangi             and rusty russell
23:01 talljoy           i got nothing to say to that.
23:01 talljoy           lol
23:01 pianohacker       like the water in a toilet bowl
23:00 talljoy           thought maybe you were using a mirror to look at your screen.
23:00 rangi             jon maddog hall on the right
23:00 pianohacker       You're in NZ, I switched 'em
23:00 talljoy           i was wondering about your pianohacker
23:00 pianohacker       oh haha sorry your left (the right)
22:59 rangi             some weirdo and some finnish guy
22:59 rangi             no idea
22:59 pianohacker       yeah, that's one hell of a photo. Who are the two on the left?
22:59 cait              :)
22:59 rangi             keynote speakers
22:59 talljoy           ah!
22:58 rangi             linux conf
22:58 talljoy           what is that from?
22:57 rangi             which was in the papers here in 2006
22:57 rangi             http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery3/index.php/unsorted/photo
22:56 rangi             my best fame thing is this
22:55 talljoy           how did i type minutes twice?  must have been a wormhole in irc
22:55 talljoy           you've had your 15 minutes minutes of fame plus some. ;-)
22:55 rangi             it was bad enough doing it, i dont want to to see it
22:55 talljoy           mmm ok. cuz i've been on tv never.  so you are two up on me!
22:55 rangi             but meh
22:55 rangi             and they would get it
22:55 rangi             i think i could pay tv3 some money
22:54 rangi             but no i dont
22:54 rangi             hehe ive only been on twice
22:54 talljoy           rangi do you have youtube clips of all your tv appearances?
22:52 talljoy           yes, true that.  i am fighting windmills ,no?
22:52 pianohacker       talljoy-phone: there's education and then there's sadism
22:52 rangi             heh
22:49 talljoy-phone     i needz to educate some librarians
22:49 wizzyrea          lol.
22:49 talljoy-phone     thanks wahanui
22:49 wahanui           The MARC specs live at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ - abandon hope all ye who enter here.
22:49 talljoy-phone     marc?
22:37 wizzyrea          eythian++ for troll slapping.
22:29 cait              nice!
22:28 rangi             google translate now has maori as an option
22:25 pianohacker       that's excellent
22:25 rangi             http://paste.koha-community.org/28
22:23 rangi             and 43
22:22 rangi             thanks wahanui
22:22 drojf             lol
22:22 wahanui           76.9
22:22 rangi             38.5 and 38.4
22:19 rangi             2 secs
22:19 rangi             which is referenced in the findings
22:19 rangi             its in their submitted evidence
22:18 cait              have been reading it too :)
22:18 cait              wondered the same
22:17 pianohacker       rangi: indeed! which pages are you referencing, though?
22:17 rangi             its actually pretty understandable, for legalese
22:16 rangi             hehe
22:16 pianohacker       I read the whole thing (for reasons I don't quite understand)
22:16 rangi             i like how they argue they dont do koha, and assistant commissioner agrees and says yes, thats why you cant register the mark, cos it would cause confusion k thx bai
22:16 cait              pianohacker: that took a while... ;)
22:15 pianohacker       woooooooooooooohaa!
21:50 cait              thx eythian
21:48 eythian           I deactivated the previous trademark document URL because we weren't sure it was to be shared. Turns out it is, the new one is at: http://ubuntuone.com/2nhMGB1Pzur3ShLzMlvS3N
21:30 jcamins           Yay!
21:30 jcamins           I have broccoli!
21:30 jcamins           Oh, wait.
21:29 jcamins           drojf: heh.
21:29 drojf             with spicy IE7 sauce
21:29 drojf             roasted xp?
21:29 jcamins           What should I have for dinner?
21:26 wizzyrea          hehehehehe
21:25 jcamins           wizzyrea: my digital door is always open thanks to Windows XP!
21:25 wizzyrea          the only safe windows xp is the one that is holding open the door.
21:23 drojf             lol
21:23 gmcharlt          (re safety)
21:23 gmcharlt          drojf: embedded in concrete with a Marine guarding it?
21:22 drojf             just sales tactics ;)
21:21 wizzyrea          meh, microsoft says it's dangerous. They made it. I trust them, at least to know that.
21:21 drojf             the xp is safe. for.evar.
21:20 wizzyrea          ain't no party like an IE7 party cuz an IE7 party don't stop (until windows XP is EOL)
21:17 cait              (20:16:57) mtj: Kohaâ„¢ FTW -> http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player/2579603
21:17 pianohacker       cait: trademark party?
21:16 drojf             so, given the low numbers that mathieu gave for users of old browsers, the discussion is now if we want that paul a. has to upgrade his old computers for koha? :P
21:11 cait              trademark party :)
21:10 drojf             IE7 party?
21:08 cait              shouldn#t we have a party? :)
21:08 cait              so quiet tonight
21:07 huginn            cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0°C (10:00 PM CET on December 11, 2013). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.59 in 1036 hPa (Falling).
21:07 cait              @wunder Konstanz
20:35 Brooke            right. I'm hungry and have a headache because I didn't eat yet. XD Laters folks
20:31 pianohacker       english -> german -> english -> french
20:30 * cait            translates
20:30 cait              he mentioned biblibre and the EU trademark in his radio interview
20:30 paul_p            rangi ??? plug ?
20:29 rangi             hi paul_p, i managed to get in a plug for biblibre too
20:29 rangi             cya ashimema_sleeping
20:28 cait              by ashimema_sleeping
20:27 ashimema_sleeping cheers paul_p
20:27 paul_p            sweet dreams ashimema
20:27 paul_p            hi cait (& others)
20:27 ashimema          I'm gonna get an early night.. see you all tomorrow no doubt #koha
20:27 cait              hi paul_p
20:23 Brooke            wizzyrea++
20:22 cait              wizzyrea: tell him!
20:22 wizzyrea          rangi++ you sound at least twice as coherent as the average radio interviewee
20:21 ashimema          I can imagine, would scare the crap out of me.
20:20 rangi             was nerve ranking, being live to air, and no idea what questions, dont want to do that again if possible ;)
20:20 rangi             thank you
20:19 ashimema          nice work on the radio rangi.
20:19 ashimema          he's back.. :)
20:18 rangi             heh
20:12 Brooke            yep, said all the right things :D
20:11 ashimema          Just listening to Chris's radio stuff now.. nice work chris.
20:09 cait              ashimema: good thinking... we should throw him some cookies...
20:09 jcamins           Heh.
20:09 Brooke            that's hospital's problme
20:08 jcamins           Brooke: I don't know... he was overboard long enough to lose his identity.
20:08 * Brooke          chalks up another save.
20:07 ashimema          I get the feeling I've just missed somthing.. rangi gone overboard.. does he need a lifegaurd?
20:07 jcamins           Rangi's still overboard!
20:07 Brooke            Don't worry, just stay calm, I'm a lifeguard, you're going to be okay.
20:07 * Brooke          saves him
20:06 * Brooke          winks at druthb
20:06 jcamins           Oh no! rangi's gone overboard!
20:06 * druthb          waves to Brooke
20:06 cait              i am happy with the cheap ones too :)
20:04 jcamins           There are a gazillion in the city, but I try to avoid them.
20:04 pianohacker       hey Brooke
20:03 wahanui           I HATE XML
20:03 Brooke            hey pianohacker
20:03 Brooke            surely we must corrupt you to try Trader Joe's dark when next we see ye >:)
20:02 * Brooke          gasps
20:02 brendan_          I can bring some trader joes peanut butter cups - there are 3 in my town
19:57 francharb         ;)
19:57 francharb         they are the best
19:56 cait              khall: i only know reese's so far :)
19:55 wahanui           koha-devel mailing list is the best place for that
19:55 rangi             koha-devel mailing list
19:54 oleonard          rangi: overboard?
19:54 cait              khall: :D
19:53 francharb         :)
19:53 * Brooke          hugs francharb
19:53 * khall           lives in the sticks
19:53 * francharb       waves Brooke
19:53 francharb         ?
19:53 khall             I've got a Trader Joe's not but 90 minutes from home .. :;)
19:52 Brooke            <.<
19:52 Brooke            >.>
19:52 Brooke            it's okay rangi, at least you didn't beat a colleague with a rescue tube.
19:52 rangi             im gonna put that in my .signature
19:52 rangi             lol i went overboard
19:52 Brooke            wait, are we bribing her with Reese's or Trader Joe's here?
19:52 khall             if you are going to the biblibre hackfest I'll make sure to send some with Brendan
19:51 cait              hehe they are all gone...
19:51 khall             cait: you need more peanutbutter cups yet ; )
19:50 cait              khall++
19:50 cait              he really is
19:50 khall             let it me known that I will mail any contraband requested to anywhere in the world if it motivates anyone to test the accounts rewrite more ; )
19:50 * Brooke          hands rangi a cookie
19:50 Brooke            o/
19:49 rangi             khall++
19:49 gmcharlt          khall++ # being a good sport about feedback
19:49 cait              :)
19:48 rangi             back at work now
19:21 mtj               chris, well said, well done :)
19:16 mtj               Kohaâ„¢ FTW -> http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player/2579603
19:08 cait              and if someone gets bored... igot a few patches waiting for sign off out there :)
19:07 * kathryn         waves back :)
19:07 cait              dinner time, bbl
19:07 * cait            waves to kathryn
19:07 * cait            has to agree with kathryn :)
19:07 kathryn           and not a scrambly one
19:07 kathryn           nah, you sound like a real person
19:07 rangi             I scrambled a bit
19:06 kathryn           you sounds so kiwi!
19:06 rangi             Thanks it was live to air and I had no idea what the questions would be
19:06 kathryn           yay koha :)
19:06 kathryn           yay rangi !!
19:06 rambutan          good interview rangi, and yea, the ogg was fine
19:06 rangi             Public funded broadcaster ftw
19:06 rangi             Yeah radio nz are cool as hell
19:04 rambutan          rangi++
19:01 tcohen            bye #koha
19:01 cait              they are really fast
19:00 rangi             Scroll to bottom ogg link on the right
19:00 rambutan          that other thing required a proprietary plugin
19:00 rangi             http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport
19:00 tcohen            rangi++
19:00 rambutan          good
18:59 rangi             In ogg too
18:59 rangi             Interview is online now
18:59 jcamins           Having braised the wings, I am now just putting them in a stock.
18:59 rambutan          ah, yes, quite so.
18:58 jcamins           There's no meat on duck wings.
18:55 rambutan          so jcamins, pray tell, what about the braised duck wings?
18:55 cait              lol
18:54 oleonard          Oh no, did rangi really tell those millions of listeners to braise duck wings?!
18:54 rambutan          Let me jot that down
18:54 jcamins           For future reference, don't braise duck wings.
18:47 rangi             i managed to get a plug in for biblibre too
18:47 oleonard          rangi++
18:47 rangi             ok gotta go catch a bus
18:47 gmcharlt          rangi:++
18:47 cait              great even
18:47 cait              rangi++ you did grat
18:47 rangi             FREAK OUT
18:47 rangi             when its going out to a million or so listeners
18:47 rangi             are hard
18:47 rangi             live to air interviews
18:44 rangi             heh
18:44 cait              :)
18:44 gmcharlt          rangi: umms of joy, right?
18:44 rangi             thats what i kept saying
18:44 cait              ummwhat?
18:44 rangi             umm umm umm
18:43 cait              no it didn't :)
18:43 rangi             should be on the site soon
18:43 rangi             gah that sucked
18:40 gmcharlt          *listening*
18:40 cait              rangi talking
18:40 cait              it's on now
18:38 oleonard          Can't... stop... feeding... troll!
18:36 rambutan          tnx
18:35 cait              rambutan: https://twitter.com/normnz/status/410654460357013504
18:34 rambutan          google isn't showing anything about it
18:33 rambutan          cait: ah! that's what I was inquiring about. I haven't seen the news, but surmised that the case had been decided against the trademark, so that is confirmed then?
18:32 cait              http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/live/national.asx there was a short note but i missed part of it
18:31 cait              talking about the trademark now
18:28 gmcharlt          nor, for that matter, tossing in a $maxlength //= 9999 prior to inserts
18:27 gmcharlt          FWIW, I have no objection to having maxlength of 0 be interpreted as unlimited
18:25 PabloAB           That's right, at SQL level I think, but right now (at least with my Koha 	3.12.06.000) If you create a new subfield and forget going "more constraints" you will never be able to write a bit in it.
18:23 PabloAB           I agree "0" might be "no limits", but that require more tweaks on source code, now the bug I think is a big one
18:22 tcohen            the patch that introduced the maxlenght set a default of 9999
18:22 PabloAB           ​ Librarians and I break our heads trying to find out why we weren't able to add anything to a recently added subfield, because we didn't go to   "more constrains"
18:20 PabloAB           I didn't login fast enough to read tcohen question, but we were talking on gtalk.
18:18 jcamins           PabloAB: is that the solution tcohen just asked about?
18:17 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8018 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , New subfields have a default max length of zero
18:17 PabloAB           Hi jcamins, I have just entered. What do you think about my solution to bug 8018?
18:15 jcamins           tcohen: that might be a good idea, yeah.
18:15 cait              rambutan: about the trademark
18:11 rambutan          radio?
18:11 cait              rambutan: he shoudl be on radio soon
18:09 huginn            rambutan: rangi was last seen in #koha 7 hours and 2 seconds ago: <rangi> so i better hit the hay, so i wake up in time
18:09 rambutan          @seen rangi
18:07 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8018 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , New subfields have a default max length of zero
18:07 tcohen            jcamins: do u think that for bug 8018 we should just make 0 mean 'no limit'?
17:55 gaetan_B          bye!
17:43 gmcharlt          ;)
17:43 gmcharlt          oleonard: oh, if you miss him that badly, just wander over to #postgresql on Freenode
17:43 oleonard          The Koha support cartels probably conspired to put him behind bars
17:42 oleonard          It's been a long time since we heard from the mysterious vigilante Koha upgrader
17:37 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7365 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Koha should support PostgreSQL
17:37 mtj               and gmcharlt++ for bug 7365 :)
17:31 reiveune          bye
17:30 mtj               ah, yep  - that was a good one… ^^
17:26 huginn            druthb: Quote #244: "'If you really didn't do it yourself, then yes, the only other conclusion is you were/are hacked by someone who likes to upgrade Koha'" (added by mtj at 10:37 PM, April 30, 2013)
17:26 druthb            @quote random
17:26 gmcharlt          jcamins: would be of any use to you to have the master branch on mm/jcamins be automatically updated whenever that branch on the main repo gets updated?
16:47 cait              but maybe giving it a nudge and someone has a better idea
16:47 cait              not sure they are any good
16:46 gmcharlt          cait++
16:38 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5010 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Incomplete links in carts and lists sent from the staff client
16:38 cait              gmcharlt: I am going to propose a few patches for bug 5010 for feedback...
16:28 gmcharlt          oleonard: pressing the RESO/DUPE button is exercise, right? ;)
16:27 oleonard          gmcharlt: You're just forcing mbalmer to file a new "Koha uses MySQL" bug :P
15:50 Joubu             tcohen++ :)
15:49 tcohen            Joubu: I got the bonus points as fixed for bottstrap too
15:49 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10691 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , 5xx not properly linked by authid in authority search result list
15:49 tcohen            ok, fixed bug 10691, and rebased 10987 against the latest patches
15:40 oleonard          Neat
15:38 cait              yesterday and today i think
15:37 cait              oleonard: they are having an event in norway
15:37 wahanui           hackfest is awesome! Group motivated koha hacking is the best koha hacking :)
15:37 oleonard          cait: hackfest?
15:11 cait              magnuse++
15:11 cait              i see bug reports coming in :)
15:11 cait              seems like the hackfest is going well!
15:11 cait              magnus_away++
15:05 jcamins           The plugin is on $a.
15:04 tcohen            ok, i'll dig
15:04 jcamins           Because $w is not independent of $a.
15:04 jcamins           tcohen: it's handled by the authority plugin.
15:03 tcohen            jcamins: i dont' see any plugin for $w
15:03 jcamins           So it would seem.
15:03 jcamins           Heh.
15:03 cait              maybe you have to be rangi for this to work :)
15:02 wahanui           rumour has it marc is the standard that isn't
15:02 cait              wahanui: marc?
15:02 cait              hm.
15:02 wahanui           cait: excuse me?
15:02 cait              wahanui: we need more marc
15:02 cait              we need more marc!
15:02 cait              we need more marc
15:02 cait              oh ok :)
15:02 jcamins           let's add more marc?
15:01 jcamins           Ummm...
15:01 wahanui           marc is the standard that isn't
15:01 jcamins           marc?
15:01 jcamins           what we need is more marc?
15:01 jcamins           more marc?
15:01 jcamins           how about more marc?
15:01 jcamins           ID is in $0 and $9.
15:01 jcamins           cait: right.
15:00 cait              jcamins: so those are not used for an id but for some kind of type declaration?
14:58 jcamins           The authority plugin handles the normalish options.
14:57 jcamins           tcohen: sort of.
14:57 tcohen            should them by handled by authorized values?
14:57 tcohen            jcamins: are 4xx$w and 5xx$w fixed value fields?
14:55 tcohen            is your bug, all yours :-P
14:54 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10691 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , 5xx not properly linked by authid in authority search result list
14:54 tcohen            cait: bug 10691
14:53 mtj               hmm, this bug must exist for every koha upgrade, before the 999 move
14:51 mtj               jcamins, looks like $090, (afaik, the default place for koha-3.0)
14:50 jcamins           Off the top of my head, the best option would seem to be a script that retroactively puts biblionumber into all the records.
14:50 jcamins           mtj: where is biblionumber stored?
14:50 tcohen            jcamins: done
14:49 mtj               peeps, what the best strategy to handle a old koha- 3.0.4 , that is missing its $999x mapping, during an upgrade…?
14:34 cait              oleonard: yes, using unions would work, certainly possible
14:33 jcamins           oleonard: I think you'd need to use subqueries + unions.
14:32 cait              druthb! :)
14:32 jcamins           oleonard: in a monster query you could.
14:31 * tcohen          loves bonus points
14:31 oleonard          Is it possible in one query to pull title/biblionumber information based on barcode whether the barcode is in deleteditems or items, the title in deletedbiblio or biblio?
14:31 cait              oleonard: it used to exist - the undo deletes, got broken sometime along the way
14:30 druthb            cait!!
14:30 druthb            o/
14:30 * cait            waves
14:28 ashimema          cheers jcamins.. had a feeling that would probably be the case.. I'll get hacking at this one to trim it down a bit then.
14:27 jcamins           ashimema: I'm not aware of one like that.
14:27 ashimema          just wodnered if anyone had compiled such a thing, or wether I need to strip down what I'm currently using.
14:27 ashimema          I want to stick a sensible sized one on the PTFS Europe sandbox.. thinking one that include some analytics, and a few users of various types..
14:26 jcamins           Thanks!
14:26 tcohen            jcamins: yes
14:26 ashimema          anyone out there got a reasonably small, but quiet extensive in terms of use cases, marc21 demo database?
14:25 kivilahtio        jcamins: I always forget bootstrap duh
14:25 jcamins           Oh, say, while you're editing the OPAC... fancy adding it to Bootstrap? :)
14:24 tcohen            d*mn I forgot the OPAC heh
14:24 oleonard          So how will PTFS compete in New Zealand now that they can't use the trademark as a bludgeon against competitors?
14:23 jcamins           I'll put a note saying I'll review it again once it has one sign off.
14:23 tcohen            done
14:22 jcamins           Actually, yeah, I guess we need another sign off regardless.
14:22 tcohen            small
14:21 jcamins           How big is the follow-up?
14:21 tcohen            jcamins, I should mark it needs.signoff, right?
14:13 oleonard          Why does it come up Dyrcona?
14:10 Dyrcona           Heh. In Evergreen world we constantly get asked why deleted items are not really deleted.
14:04 kivilahtio        oleonard: Tho I have a gut feeling librarians here will come asking for it.
14:03 kivilahtio        jcamins: Yeah, unless someone asks for, I wouldnt do it.
14:03 jcamins           oleonard: I presume it doesn't get enough use that people miss it.
14:02 kivilahtio        oleonard: better htan creating those objects from scratch
14:02 kivilahtio        oleonard: I guess it might be usefull
14:01 oleonard          Seems crazy that we haven't added a "restore deleted biblilo/item" feature yet
13:26 cait              hi oleonard
13:26 kivilahtio        hi oleonard
13:25 oleonard          Hi #koha
13:14 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5010 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Incomplete links in carts and lists sent from the staff client
13:14 cait              bug 5010
13:14 * cait            is still trying to fix the links in the carts and lists... and meh.
13:13 kivilahtio        linkType sounds good :) And a nice documentation next to the variable about what it's values are ment to be
13:12 kivilahtio        jcamins: good point
13:12 jcamins           kivilahtio: but that variable will have the name even long after the variable's use is expanded.
13:11 kivilahtio        jcamins: I would rather write code for humans that for computers
13:11 kivilahtio        let the compiler otimize it :)
13:11 kivilahtio        especially if you are using it in boolean, or n-state flag
13:11 jcamins           kivilahtio: I stand corrected.
13:11 kivilahtio        tcohen: I would name it linkIsSeeFromOrSeeAlso
13:09 * jcamins         is not attached to variable names.
13:08 cait              you will have to argue with jcamins about those ;)
13:08 tcohen            like it, i don't like "label"
13:08 cait              linktype?
13:07 tcohen            how would you call a variable that holds wether a link is a seefrom or seealso kind of link?
13:05 cait              oh?
13:05 * tcohen          hates some variable names...
13:05 francharb         :)
13:05 * cait            waves at francharb
13:01 * francharb       waves
12:56 kivilahtio        hi tcohen!
12:56 tcohen            hi kivilahtio
12:55 jcamins           Certainly. Thanks!
12:55 tcohen            i'll provide a followup, would you take a look?
12:55 kivilahtio        breaking bad!
12:54 tcohen            no, i broke it bad heh
12:53 tcohen            is just a wrong newline!
12:52 tcohen            oh, I see
12:52 jcamins           510 2# $aAstor Library$wr
12:51 jcamins           410 1# $aNew York (City).$bPolice Dept.$wnnaa
12:51 jcamins           Actually, looks like it causes problems with 4xx too.
12:50 jcamins           I will check exactly what I have.
12:49 tcohen            jcamins: numbers from 0 to 5?
12:49 jcamins           tcohen: 500.
12:48 drojf             the irc meeting in the topic is outdated btw
12:48 tcohen            jcamins: in 400 for example? or 500?
12:47 cait              :)
12:47 drojf             hi #koha
12:47 drojf             hi cait
12:47 jcamins           Okay, hilight window is back.
12:46 cait              hi drojf
12:44 tcohen            ok, let me try
12:44 jcamins           But I *think* that you can recreate the problem just by putting a relationship into $w.
12:42 * tcohen          wishes he knew more about marc
12:42 jcamins           The easiest thing to do is get a record from Germany.
12:42 * cait            hides
12:42 jcamins           tcohen: of course.
12:41 jcamins           Argh! What happened to my hilite window?!?
12:40 tcohen            jcamins: can you tell me how to build an authority record that shows wrong with my patch?
12:36 tcohen            :-D \o/
12:34 cait              https://twitter.com/normnz/status/410654460357013504
12:33 cait              tcohen: there is a bit on twitter
12:33 tcohen            congrats kiwis :-D
12:32 tcohen            weeeeeeeeeeeee
12:32 cait              nz trademark is safe!
12:32 wahanui           which is, like, quite horrible
12:32 tcohen            which?
12:32 tcohen            nope
12:31 cait              did you see the big good news yet?
12:31 cait              morning tcohen
12:31 tcohen            morning #koha
12:12 cait              kivilahtio: 19:30 here of course, i set my phone
12:05 kivilahtio        go to bed now, whoosh
12:05 kivilahtio        mtj: I've got plenty of those in my sleeve :)
11:59 mtj               lol, great phrase!
11:59 kivilahtio        to replace the piss-burnt ones
11:59 kivilahtio        Well we get new porcelain
11:58 mtj               man, thats a bummer ^^
11:58 kivilahtio        gnite!
11:58 kivilahtio        mtj: We have bathroom renovations in our apartment block. I get a regular alarm every morning 7:30-8:30 am whether I wanted it or not
11:58 mtj               hokay, i'm off to bed too…  nite all
11:57 * mtj             sets kivilahtio's alarm for 7:30am :p
11:56 kivilahtio        I hope someone could remind mne about this :)
11:56 mtj               ha, yeah… that is a good point cait  :)
11:56 kivilahtio        so very cool, I'll advertise this around!
11:55 kivilahtio        So I can listen to the programme afterwards it seems
11:39 cait              at least we got the right ending
11:39 mtj               indeed - the wheels of justice, greed and stupidity turn slow
11:34 cait              too many
11:26 mtj               hiya cait
11:26 * mtj             ponders how many years its been, since he waited for this good news…
11:24 cait              hi mtj :)
11:24 cait              :)
11:23 * mtj             sets his alarm for 7:30am
11:10 cait              sleep well
11:09 rangi             so i better hit the hay, so i wake up in time
11:09 cait              hehe :)
11:09 wahanui           it has been said that confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpm3j6aNaN1qh8hleo1_400.gif
11:09 cait              confetti!
11:09 cait              woohoo!
11:09 rangi             talking about the fact that the liblime trademark has been rejected
11:09 cait              seems you can listen live without problems from germany
11:08 cait              cool
11:08 rangi             at about 7.30am nz time
11:08 rangi             i should be on here tomorrow http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport
10:42 cait              morning ashimema
09:58 ashimema          Mornin' #koha
09:33 kivilahtio        So what is the proper term for staff client/intranet/staff interface?
09:11 cait              kivilahtio: don't use C4:*
09:07 kivilahtio        Joubu: I'll try to wrap my head around this
09:07 kivilahtio        Joubu: wow someone has documented this since I last took a look into this
09:06 Joubu             kivilahtio: if you want to display a date depending on the pref format (dateformat) use the Koha:: DateUtils::output_pref routine
09:05 kivilahtio        thanks
09:05 kivilahtio        nothing is more persistent than temporary :)
09:05 Joubu             kivilahtio: use Koha:: DateUtils
09:05 kivilahtio        We should use Koha:: IMHO but the Koha::DateUtils is a temporary module for wrappers to hide the complexity of switch to DateTime?
09:04 kivilahtio        Joubu: If I want a timetamp yyyymmddhhmmss or similar format, should I use Koha::DateUtils, or Koha::Calendar or C4::Dates?
08:56 Joubu             I'm happy to see that there has been answers to my email :)
08:56 Joubu             Hello #koha
08:12 cait              hello all
08:10 gaetan_B          hello
07:59 alex_a            bonjour
07:35 wahanui           niihau, reiveune
07:35 reiveune          hello
07:15 mtj               after reboot, mysql always comes up completely borked
07:13 mtj               ive been trying to switch to 'innodb_file_per_table'
07:09 mtj               man, i tell ya… i can crash mysql just by looking at it :/
06:00 mtompset          Have a great day, #koha. The ruling already is nice. :)
05:58 * mtompset        is going to bed having succeeded at getting his 38.69K patch tested successfully. :)
05:57 mtompset          Hmmm... So basically the applicants can't use "Koha" in NZ?
05:49 * rangi           has to go talk to reporters now
05:48 dcook             Very interesting findings
05:48 dcook             Yay for the result and the costs awarded
05:41 rangi             costs awarded too
05:32 mtj               awesome, thanks eythian :)
05:31 BobB              I hadn't realised CIT was a party to the proceedings.  Well done.  Costs awarded too.
05:31 dcook             rangi++
05:31 eythian           it is interesting
05:31 dcook             Irma++
05:31 dcook             It's fascinating so far
05:31 BobB              eythian thank you, that will be a good read.
05:27 dcook             Yep, totes got it now
05:26 dcook             Actually, I think I figured it out..
05:26 eythian           http://ubuntuone.com/2nhMGB1Pzur3ShLzMlvS3N <-- dcook, mtj
05:26 dcook             dbs: Are you around at the moment?
05:25 * dcook           is just sayin'...
05:25 dcook             Beer and waffles!
05:23 mtj               eythian ^^
05:22 mtj               i'm very keen to read any info on it - and/or chat about it over a beer sometime :p
05:05 dcook             Cool beans. I'll have to take another look tomorrow.
05:04 eythian           I think the IPONZ site hasn't yet been updated with it.
05:04 eythian           I had a brief look but couldn't find it.
05:04 dcook             eythian: Has that result been published anywhere that one could link to?
05:04 * dcook           just thought he would lighten the mood with another fact\
05:03 dcook             Eating bananas while programming is not easy
04:57 mtj               may it continue on its award-winning, next-gened path to ecilpsdom
04:52 mtj               yay for the HLT Kohaâ„¢ project
04:50 dcook             Awesome awesome news
04:50 Irma              Great outcome! Thanks for letting us know eythian
04:49 BobB              Congratulations to the HLT team and thanks to mtj for your part
04:49 dcook             :@
04:49 wahanui           it has been said that confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpm3j6aNaN1qh8hleo1_400.gif
04:49 dcook             confetti
04:49 wahanui           confetti is probably http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpm3j6aNaN1qh8hleo1_400.gif
04:49 dcook             confetti?
04:49 wahanui           somebody said confetti was http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpm3j6aNaN1qh8hleo1_400.gif
04:49 dcook             confetti!
04:49 dcook             \o/
04:49 BobB              woot woot!!
04:47 eythian           In case anyone was following the Koha trademark thing in NZ, it's been decided in favour of HLT. mtj, you might be interested in that.
04:09 dcook             Same ;)
04:04 Irma              sorry back to work ...
04:04 Irma              :-)
04:03 dcook             Sure. Jan/Feb should work for me :)
04:03 mtompset          [off] Paul A is running FF 3.6 on Win98SE kiosks?! That's not officially supported either. Why does he keep doing unofficial things?
04:02 Irma              the waffle iron will need a slight dusting but let's do it in Jan/Feb.
04:02 dcook             Irma: I think we were all drooling over the prospect of Liege waffles :)
04:02 dcook             I don't think I've ever seen sucre perle before now
04:01 dcook             We should make this happen sometime
04:01 Irma              Did I hear talk about Liege waffles? I still have 2kg of "sucre perle" ....
04:01 dcook             waffles and beer sounds awesome
03:58 BobB              waffles and beer?
03:57 BobB              dcook, we're near North Sydney, 10km from you maybe
03:49 wizzyrea          vista also, should be dead if it isn't.
03:49 wizzyrea          man screw ie7 srs.
03:48 * dcook           will be stuck with folks using IE7 forever
03:48 dcook             Mmm fun times...
03:46 mtompset          Actually IE7 was in Vista.
03:39 dcook             BobB: How far away do you live again? ;)
03:39 wizzyrea          oh ok. Even if I don't get to get a wafel every week for a month I'll still give em some money. :P
03:39 * dcook           hasn't had a good belgian waffle in years..
03:38 dcook             Those are some legit prizes
03:38 wizzyrea          that IS a good prize.
03:38 wizzyrea          daw send us to the soup kitchen.
03:36 dcook             Oh my...
03:36 kathryn           same thought wizzyrea :)
03:36 rangi             not unless you back it they arent!
03:36 wizzyrea          tell me they are putting that in the market across the street.
03:36 eythian           ooooooo
03:36 rangi             i really like the backing prizes too
03:36 wizzyrea          oh man.
03:36 BobB              Irma is from Liege and she makes those!  Yum
03:35 rangi             SOLD!
03:34 rangi             To become a modern, trendy Food Truck or Cart so we can bring the streets of Belgium to the streets of Wellington and eventually all of New Zealand...
03:34 rangi             http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1199970645/the-only-genuine-liege-wafels-in-new-zealand?ref=city
03:34 rangi             i am so backing this
03:34 rangi             oh man
03:32 eythian           I own that also
03:32 eythian           it's good fun
03:25 * jcamins         reads the instructions for Munchkin, which he now owns.
03:16 mtj               (fwiw, my rule covers both cases)
03:15 mtj               or breakfast foods, at any time?
03:15 mtj               wait, does that mean any food at breakfast time?
03:15 dcook             heya kathryn :)
03:14 kathryn           oh and hi dcook :)
03:13 wizzyrea          beans on toast.
03:13 mtj               kathryn, absolutely no limits on breakfasts foods
03:10 kathryn           mtj: no limits on breakfasts foods :)
03:10 jcamins           I don't exactly remember why this seemed necessary, but it wasn't until my late teens that I stopped doing that.
03:09 jcamins           The odd thing is, I had no problem with the different foods touching each other.
03:09 wizzyrea          ^ is what spud does
03:09 jcamins           I'd pile it all together, then eat the filling followed by the bread.
03:08 jcamins           I would have everything in separate pieces.
03:08 jcamins           Actually, I didn't like sandwiches at all when I was a kid.
03:08 * wizzyrea        suspects that mtj is really a big kid.
03:08 jcamins           I don't like other people's sandwiches now that I'm an adult.
03:08 mtj               ok, yeah, perhaps…
03:08 jcamins           mtj: only when you're a kid.
03:08 mtj               no no… the thrill of new condiments
03:07 dcook             Mind you, I haven't had NZ sandwiches
03:07 dcook             mtj: I don't know...I think I prefer my sandwiches
03:07 jcamins           I wonder what went wrong.
03:07 mtj               …also, sandwiches are better at other peoples houses
03:07 jcamins           This is a disaster.
03:07 * dcook           hasn't baked regularly in 20 years though
03:07 dcook             I don't think I'd heard of it until I came to Oz
03:07 * dcook           tries to remember if they have "golden syrup" in America
03:07 mtj               and sandwiches too :p
03:06 kathryn           add golden syrup jacamins
03:06 mtj               hey kathryn,  this idea works with all biscuits, too ^^
03:06 jcamins           10691 isn't looking so good.
03:06 jcamins           Oh dear.
03:05 kathryn           :)
03:05 kathryn           jacamins rangi mtj:oh I'm late to the party! afghans = biscuits for breakfast! anzac biscuits are only good if you know the person who made them! <-- opinions
03:03 wizzyrea          migration_toolbox++
03:00 jcamins           mtj: nah, she can keep her weird authority records. I don't need more.
02:59 mtj               jcamins,  you and liz should swap  :p
02:59 jcamins           Gemeinsame Normdatei, I'm looking at you!
02:58 jcamins           so weird.
02:58 jcamins           Seriously, these authority records...
02:58 mtj               There is a general exemption granted for Anzac biscuits, as long as these biscuits remain basically true to the original recipe and are both referred to and sold as Anzac biscuits and never as cookies.[9]
02:57 dcook             Can't be eating cookies all the time
02:57 mtj               Legal issues - The term Anzac is protected under Australian law[5] and cannot be used in Australia without permission from the Minister for Veterans' Affairs;[6] misuse can be legally enforced particularly for commercial purposes.
02:57 dcook             We had a bit of a ban in the house as they're too easy to make
02:57 dcook             Damn it, now I want Anzac biscuits..
02:56 rangi             heh
02:56 * dcook           is reading emails - not being totally random
02:55 mtj               rangi, for the record…     -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anzac_biscuit  :)
02:55 dcook             Catalyst++
02:55 dcook             rangi++
02:54 eythian           I have one of those around somewhere, I think
02:53 dcook             mtj: That's wild
02:53 dcook             I'm referring to corporate environments rather than Koha though
02:53 mtj               wow - The book has been described as "as much a part of New Zealand kitchens as a stove and knife," and at one time it was "sent unsolicited to every newly engaged couple in New Zealand."
02:53 * dcook           won't get his hopes up though
02:53 dcook             IE7 is only in XP? Awesome. Maybe April will bring change...
02:52 rangi             heh
02:52 jcamins           I have really weird authority records.
02:52 BobB              rangi was that you making fun of Australia?
02:52 mtj               jcamins -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmonds_Cookery_Book
02:52 rangi             BobB must have heard me making fun of australia
02:51 rangi             heh
02:51 rangi             all the best recipes in there
02:51 rangi             jcamins: thats the one, kf has a copy of it. kathryn got it for her
02:51 rangi             yep, we know everyone
02:50 jcamins           Edmonds Cookery Book?
02:50 gmcharlt          rangi: you know this from personal experience? ;0
02:50 rangi             :)
02:50 rangi             he was cool as hell when he was like 2 years old
02:50 dcook             So many people I thought were American...actually Australian
02:50 mtj               Edmonds Cookery Book++
02:50 dcook             hehe
02:50 rangi             hehe
02:50 rangi             thats the aussie side
02:50 rangi             yep
02:50 jcamins           He's a bit of a jerk, yeah?
02:50 dcook             Everyone is secretly Australian
02:50 rangi             born in nz, mostly lived in aussie
02:50 mtj               wow, wiki entry -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_biscuit
02:50 jcamins           I always thought Russel Crowe was USian.
02:50 rangi             mtj: yeah those are afghans
02:49 dcook             to*
02:49 dcook             Do we have tO?
02:49 rangi             you can keep russel crowe tho
02:49 dcook             It wasn't until one of our last days that she had a cup of coffee she deemed "acceptable"
02:49 mtj               i think i'm thinking of afghan biscuits…with cornflakes?!
02:49 dcook             She had numerous rants about the lack of flat whites
02:49 rangi             heh
02:49 dcook             My wife was outraged not to find flat whites in Canada
02:49 dcook             Really, flat whites?
02:49 rangi             and jet boats
02:49 dcook             Still have yet to eat pavlova
02:49 rangi             and flat whites
02:49 rangi             and pavlova
02:49 dcook             Lammingtons?
02:48 dcook             I think NZ might also have dibbs on Lamingtons
02:48 mtj               this really is all news to me
02:48 dcook             jcamins: They are rather tasty
02:48 rangi             thats right
02:48 dcook             But I thought that was a while ago
02:48 dcook             I seem to remember Arnotts saying that they were going to do something to them
02:48 rangi             which is pretty much the entire point
02:47 rangi             like they left out golden syrup or something
02:47 mtj               damn, thats funny
02:46 mtj               freedom biscuits
02:46 rangi             naw someone changed the recipe or something
02:46 mtj               hmm…we should call them 'patriot biscuits'?
02:45 rangi             there has been controversy about anzac biscuits lately
02:45 eythian           http://our-shed.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/kangaroo-kicks-kid-in-th.gif <-- would totally claim this one though
02:44 wizzyrea          https://31.media.tumblr.com/73b6c9afded4298fb9ed90e6b2617fb9/tumblr_mxm5mnijSm1qdlh1io1_400.gif pretty sure we wouldn't claim this kangaroo either.
02:43 eythian           you'll see them all over, especially around ANZAC day, unsurprisingly.
02:43 eythian           jcamins: they are quite a big deal, yeah
02:42 * eythian         doesn't claim the platypus. that thing is too ridiculous.
02:42 jcamins           Are they a really big deal? Apparently they're a really important part of Australian culture.
02:42 jcamins           lol
02:42 rangi             including kangaroos
02:42 rangi             pretty much everything in australia we actually invented
02:42 rangi             we probably invented them
02:42 eythian           definitely
02:42 rangi             they are
02:42 jcamins           rangi: are anzac biscuits a NZ thing in addition to an Australia thing?
02:38 gmcharlt          ;)
02:38 gmcharlt          rangi: so you're saying Windows XP promotes global collaboration?
02:38 rangi             heh
02:38 jcamins           As it happens, this is very secure because IT JUST CRASHED.
02:38 jcamins           rangi: Windows 98SE.
02:38 jcamins           lol
02:38 * rangi           wont let it go :)
02:37 rangi             unless you are using windows xp, and then the whole world now does
02:37 gmcharlt          you alone have push access
02:37 jcamins           gmcharlt: thanks.
02:37 gmcharlt          jcamins: gitmaster@git.koha-community.org:mm/jcamins
02:33 jcamins           gmcharlt: that'll work. I'm also fine with pushing to koha.git/modmaint/authorities or something like that.
02:32 gmcharlt          jcamins: how about a create a new repo for you on git.k-c.org?
02:32 jcamins           If it doesn't work, I won't push it anywhere.
02:32 jcamins           Assuming I like it, of course.
02:32 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10691 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Passed QA , 5xx not properly linked by authid in authority search result list
02:32 jcamins           gmcharlt: where do you want me to push bug 10691?
02:31 wahanui           yep.
02:31 gmcharlt          jcamins: yep?
02:31 wizzyrea          considering setting up one of my own :P
02:31 jcamins           gmcharlt: around?
02:31 * wizzyrea        is glad that your email filter worked
02:30 wizzyrea          I said "decently good"
02:30 dcook             I've been thinking about switching my netbook to Ubuntu or at least dual booting it..
02:30 jcamins           wizzyrea: unless you're that security researcher with the air gap-jumping malware.
02:29 wizzyrea          air gaps are decently good at keeping xp from getting malware.
02:28 * wizzyrea        nods in agreement
02:28 rangi             it holds open doors well
02:28 wizzyrea          to be fair xp is probably fine if no one ever uses it for anything and it's inside a firewall or not plugged into a network.
02:26 mtj               wizzyrea++ yep, thats the one :)
02:26 rambutan1         I have two netbooks running Linux, one Mint and one Ubuntu. Both 1gb.
02:26 eythian           I have one of those lying around. I should do something similar with it.
02:25 mtj               web surfing was quite snappy
02:25 mtj               i recently installed debian with xfce and iceweasl on an old-ish 1gig eee-pc
02:24 wizzyrea          there. rant complete.
02:24 wizzyrea          [off] though here he is, a guy running old Koha, who doesn't want to upgrade anything because it's not a priority (that's a translation for "no time") and prefers to run windows 98 and xp because they are "bullet proof" which I think means "you just don't know they are compromised"
02:24 dcook             Ubuntu has more forums if nothing else
02:23 dcook             I suppose I wonder about all the different distros of Linux as well. I quite like Debian. I might try Ubuntu or Mint just to see what they're like, but...I'm happy enough.
02:23 * dcook           seems to remember it being something like that?
02:23 mtj               256, or 512 meg - i guess?
02:23 wizzyrea          :P
02:23 wizzyrea          oh now he's incited us.
02:22 mtj               slightly off-topic… anyone rememebr the RAM spec of paul.a's  kiosk boxes?
02:22 rambutan1         several different bases of Mint
02:22 * dcook           seems to remember there were two Mints?
02:21 dcook             Debian-based or the other one?
02:21 wizzyrea          i really like mint lately
02:20 dcook             I suppose it's tough to shake off (Microsoft) trauma though
02:20 dcook             Gnome3 looks way better than Windows as well, so I don't even see the visual appeal
02:20 dcook             What more does the average person need?
02:20 dcook             The other day, I added an account for my wife, showed her the network share, and off she went doing her writing and internet browsing
02:20 mtj               eythian, thass gansta :)
02:19 dcook             lol
02:19 eythian           it may not have been quite legit.
02:19 eythian           I used to have a VLK mostly memorised
02:19 wizzyrea          hehehe
02:19 wizzyrea          :)
02:19 eythian           I'm sure you can find one with google
02:19 dcook             Nice, rangi!
02:19 rangi             :)
02:19 rangi             im quite proud i never had one
02:19 dcook             I don't even see the point of Windows anymore
02:18 wizzyrea          me either.
02:18 * dcook           lost his xp passkey so has no idea anymore
02:18 wizzyrea          how can you call that sane.
02:18 wizzyrea          ...isn't xp up to like sp3 or 4 now?
02:15 rangi             yeah
02:15 * mtj             recalls previous rick-rolled koha-dev threads...
02:13 dcook             wizzyrea++
02:13 rangi             i dont think it would help im afraid
02:13 mtj               i'm almost tempted to make my point in an email reply… (but also can't quite be assed)
02:09 wizzyrea          :P
02:09 wizzyrea          I don't feel fuzzie about windows xp
02:09 rangi             :)
02:09 wizzyrea          there are your warm fuzzie feelings for the day
02:08 wizzyrea          we emphasize sharing, and collaboration - these are library values.
02:08 wizzyrea          and how the skills required to run it really do raise people up
02:08 wizzyrea          if not for Koha and linux
02:07 wizzyrea          of course we talk about it a lot that Koha is in use in places that wouldn't have library systems
02:07 mtj               …its older/slower computers, with expensive expired M$ licenses on them - that get ubuntu-ized(™)
02:07 wizzyrea          free in cost, free in freedom.
02:07 wizzyrea          because it is free and open source software
02:07 wizzyrea          about the abundance of good that Koha confers across the world
02:07 wizzyrea          I was thinking the other day
02:06 wizzyrea          so much that.
02:06 wizzyrea          ^^
02:06 rangi             why in gods name would a bunch of free software developers encourage people to use windows
02:06 rangi             and if not, they SHOULD
02:06 mtj               hey, if anything… 3rd world computers are *more* likely to have linux on them
02:06 rangi             thats the bit that rankles
02:06 rangi             yeah, derailing and destroying a useful thread
02:05 mtj               tragic...
02:01 dcook             I was going to read the mailing list this morning but got distracted
02:00 * dcook           thinks rangi must've seen his puppy dog eyes
01:58 rangi             (paul a on the mailing list, not any of you fine people)
01:58 rangi             and needs to just go away
01:58 rangi             that guy is a troll
01:58 rangi             seriously
01:56 wizzyrea          it's not *quite* current master, but it's pretty close.
01:55 wizzyrea          hurrah :)
01:55 dcook             Good to know :)
01:54 user505           oh
01:53 user505           FWIW, responsive.mykoha.co.nz displays just fine in the most current version of Torbrowser, which is Firefox ESR 17.0.11
01:32 Dyrcona           I've been writing about as long as I've been able to read. How I am not a published novelist is a mystery to me.
01:26 dcook             I couldn't read books but I could play video games :p
01:26 dcook             I could probably type before I could write, now that I think about it. Hmm..
01:19 Dyrcona           I've been typing almost as long as I've been able to write.
01:19 Dyrcona           My mother had an Olivetti travel typewriter when I was kid. That thing was a joy to use.
01:17 dcook             It's a bit of an unorthodox Christmas tree but I'll see what I can do
01:16 dcook             hehe
01:16 Dyrcona           :)
01:16 Dyrcona           dcook: I'd like to see a picture of that.
01:14 dcook             I think I have an electric one as a Christmas tree base at the moment though..
01:14 dcook             I have used a regular ol' manual one back in the day though
01:14 dcook             I don't know if I've ever used an electric typewriter...
01:13 Dyrcona           I just swapped the keyboard on my Galago Ultra yesterday. It makes a world of difference.
01:13 Dyrcona           Oh, not a replica. It's the real deal.
01:12 Dyrcona           The Model M. Someone sells replicas online.
01:11 wizzyrea          ^ those old ibm keybords sounded awesome.
01:10 Dyrcona           dcook: Ever use an IBM Selectric? That is the sound of typing!
01:05 dcook             I try to use more than two fingers :p
00:59 wizzyrea          http://i.imgur.com/edlEg.gif
00:59 dcook             sounds = finds
00:58 * dcook           personally sounds the sound of typing rather invigorating.
00:58 dcook             Maybe "clickety-clack"
00:58 dcook             Mind you, folks think that we go "beepboop" which doesn't sound anything like what we do, in my opinion...
00:58 dcook             mtj: I always thought that was more of a 'blurp' or 'bloop'
00:56 mtj               gmcharlt++, very impressive!
00:56 mtj               i think 'glomp' is the sound a water-cooler makes :p
00:42 dcook             gmcharlt++
00:42 dcook             But still
00:42 dcook             This is what I think when I hear glomp: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/glomp
00:41 gmcharlt          however, reasonably instructive for testing the waters
00:41 rangi             heh
00:40 gmcharlt          glomp. n.  the sort of patch that mashes things together in a way that I never want to see in my RM queue ;)
00:39 gmcharlt          yes
00:39 rangi             nice!
00:39 wizzyrea          is that a technical term
00:39 wizzyrea          "glomp"
00:39 gmcharlt          rangi: http://git.librarypolice.com/?p=koha-galen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/pg
00:07 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, colin.campbell, CLOSED FIXED, Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin
00:07 dcook             bug 8251 for anyone lurking or reading the logs...
00:03 dcook             Just need to choose every status and every resolution when searching..
00:03 dcook             I use the Bugzilla good
00:03 dcook             Found it!
00:03 dcook             Haha!