IRC log for #koha, 2013-07-22

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03:18 rambutan hi oak
03:19 Oak hello rambutan :)
03:19 Oak kia ora #koha
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05:55 BobB Is this #koha's quietest Monday ever in the eastern timezone?  We hope all you Kiwi's are safe.
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06:17 cait hi #koha :)
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06:39 reiveune hello
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07:05 gaetan_B hello
07:05 wahanui hey, gaetan_B
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07:15 kf good morning #koha
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07:47 drojf good morning #koha
07:51 matts hello !
07:57 kf morning drojf and matts :)
07:57 * wizzyrea waves
07:57 kf drojf: fixing 3.10 po files right now
07:57 * kf waves back at wizzyrea :)
07:58 drojf hi matts, kf, wizzyrea
07:59 drojf kf: what happened? someone uploaded wrong files?
07:59 kf drojf: yep
07:59 kf i am not sure which option he selected - lots of suggestions
08:00 kf but i thought as we haven't done much since last 3.10.x we jump back there
08:00 drojf why can somebody just go and upload files there?
08:00 kf i have no idea actually :(
08:00 kf the permission system seems borked somehow
08:00 kf i will write bernardo later
08:01 kf it should be prevented by permissions, but they don't show right for me in pootle right now
08:01 kf I know that the file with permissions has been giving trouble before i
08:02 drojf :(
08:02 kf not sure... I will ask bgkriegel to take a look
08:02 drojf an automatic backup when a file is re-uploaded would be nice too
08:02 kf probably too early to speculate
08:04 drojf probably? you are speculating about the speculation?
08:04 kf hehe
08:04 kf just saying i don#t really know and am a bit puzzled too :)
08:04 kf and it's still early morning!
08:09 kf hm
08:09 kf uploaded new files
08:09 kf but the suggestions are still there
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08:45 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
08:45 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Alter Schlachthof, Berlin, Germany is 27.1°C (10:45 AM CEST on July 22, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
08:48 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn
08:48 huginn` wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (8:00 PM NZST on July 22, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
08:48 wizzyrea not bad really
08:49 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:49 huginn` kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 24.8°C (10:45 AM CEST on July 22, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
08:49 drojf i win :(
09:03 mtj hmm, just got back from a weekend in the south island
09:04 kf nice :)
09:04 kf well, hope it was
09:04 mtj afaict, nothing looks too broken at my place
09:05 mtj yeah, was great :)
09:05 mtj but, very nice to be home too
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09:25 wizzyrea hi eythian
09:25 eythian hi
09:29 wizzyrea[…]n/wellington/felt exciting day. though we didnt feel these so strongly tho
09:30 wizzyrea tomorrow may be an adventure.
09:30 eythian looks bumpy
09:31 wizzyrea it's wobbly
09:31 wizzyrea the big one was bumpy, these little ones are wobbly
09:31 eythian ah right
09:31 kf wizzyrea: getting usedto it yet? :)
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09:34 kf wizzyrea: very glad we don't have earthquakes here
09:34 eythian your buildings would all collapse
09:34 eythian they terrify me
09:34 kf probably.
09:34 eythian (the buildings, that is)
09:34 kf still?
09:35 kf not sure how bad it would be, guess more modern buildings probably better than older ones
09:35 eythian whenever I have cause to think about the fact I'm surrounded by tall, brittle stone buildings held together by little more than the assumption acceleration is always downwards, yes :)
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09:35 eythian kf: you do have a lot of old buildings :)
09:35 kf yes... yes we do
09:40 drojf kf: there was an earthquake at bodensee i think
09:41 drojf st. gallen, 3.6
09:42 eythian[…]-smashed-in-quake <-- a 3.6 wouldn't do this
09:43 drojf nah, 3.6 only smashes cheap wine or beer
09:44 eythian snobby earthquakes
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10:00 eythian wizzyrea: did you get a chance to make sure that all my stuff hadn't fallen off the floor?
10:01 kf fallen off the floor?
10:01 eythian well it's where most of it was, who knows what's happened since then?
10:02 kf will the old buildings keep you from visitingß
10:03 kf ?
10:03 eythian England is just as bad really
10:10 eythian @wunder bn1 1nb
10:10 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Brighton, Brighton, United Kingdom is 26.1°C (11:00 AM BST on July 22, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
10:11 kf hm ok
10:11 kf someone a hint for me? I had this nice git bash thing on my old vm where it shows you the branch you are on, if it's clean or not etc.
10:12 kf I'd like to have it back, but my googling skills fail me
10:13 eythian[…]T0QXdoICIDg&gbv=2
10:13 kf yeah i find lots... but not the one i had. very annoying
10:13 kf most show just the branch
10:13 kf but the nice thing was tht it also showed when you had uncommitted changes etc.
10:14 eythian[…]t-ps1-bash-prompt <-- this one does
10:15 kf thx :) i will keep looking
10:18 bibliwho google sth like this? git bash clean "branch state"
10:19 eythian the one I pointed to does that too.
10:19 kf eythian: still hoping to find the one i used before kind of
10:19 eythian No one can help you there, as we don't know what you had :)
10:19 kf i know :)
10:21 kf but thank you for giving me some input :)
10:22 eythian you could probably modify the one above to do exactly what you wanted, and learn bash at the same time :)
10:22 kf the problem is probably that i did modify the hting last time...
10:23 kf ok
10:24 kf apart fromt he fact the yellow on white is a terrible combination that one seems to be working fine
10:24 eythian who has a white terminal anyway?
10:24 eythian what kind of weirdo are you?
10:25 kf it came by default
10:25 kf where can i switch that?
10:25 eythian what are you using?
10:25 eythian Ubuntu tends to do a dark purple thing by default
10:26 kf debian
10:26 eythian oh OK
10:26 eythian you change it in the options for your terminal I guess
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10:30 kf yeah, maybe not today :)
10:31 eythian typically it's done by right-click, but I don't know what terminal you're running.
10:31 eythian you're producing bad bug reports, kf ;)
10:32 kf i do? :(
10:32 kf which one?
10:32 wahanui which one is probably that? The fixed navbar?
10:32 eythian about your prompt and your terminal and stuff
10:32 kf ?
10:33 eythian you're not providing enough information for people to answer your questions.
10:33 kf i would give you the answer if I knew it :)
10:33 kf i think i will continue playing with this tomorrow
10:34 eythian you haven't even mentioned the software you're using, usually it's only the version that people have to ask for :)
10:35 kf the software was not important for the git bash prompt thing :)
10:35 kf and i figured out the colors :)
10:37 kf eythian++ for being impatient but helpful ;)
10:37 eythian heh
10:40 kf lunch time
10:40 kf bye all :)
10:40 kf well bbl :)
11:09 magnuse gah, where is kf when you need her?
11:09 magnuse ;-=
11:09 magnuse bah
11:09 magnuse ;-)
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11:18 magnuse have fun, #koha! see y'all in a week
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11:50 kf magnus_away: ?
11:51 kf i was at lunch!
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12:04 vfernandes hi guys
12:04 vfernandes there is any bug related with koha 3.10 and javascript not working in other languages translated?
12:05 vfernandes check this -
12:05 vfernandes in English there javascript works fine (alert shown), in Portugues not....
12:07 vfernandes any idea why?
12:07 vfernandes could be something bad translated?
12:08 eythian have you checked to see if there are javascript errors?
12:09 kf vfernandes: It's a translation problem
12:09 kf use firebug and you will see it
12:09 kf you are using "" in a translated string:
12:09 kf ("Nota: apenas pode adicionar "tag" a um item com um dado termo uma vez...
12:09 eythian var MSG_ADD_TAG_FAILED_NOTE = _("Nota: apenas pode adicionar "tag" a um item com um dado termo uma vez. Aceda a 'As minhas Tags' para ver as "tags" existentes.");
12:09 kf eythian: beat you ;)
12:09 eythian only just :)
12:09 kf heh
12:14 eythian rule of thumb is that if JS isn't working on a translation, look for JS errors that have crept in.
12:14 kf it's always a good rule :) firebug is really helpful for things like that
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12:25 christophe_c hello #koha
12:26 kf hi christophe_c
12:26 christophe_c hello kf ;-)
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12:31 hasdf in MARC Frameworks: do I really have to delete each tag / do I really need to import the default framework?
12:32 hasdf I really just need a framework with 10-20 fields
12:33 rambutan /part
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12:34 slef hi - any koha list admins here? Or going to be here in 30mins?
12:35 tcohen__ morning #koha
12:36 hasdf let me rephrase my question: what is the fastest way to create a new MARC framework with just a few fields?
12:36 tcohen use the fast cataloguing framework as your basis
12:39 hasdf thanks
12:43 kf hasdf: and don't delete tags/fields, but hide them
12:43 kf hasdf: it's a lot safer
12:44 kf hasdf: also you can use the export to libre office and edit them in a spreadsheet
12:44 tcohen that's interesting kf, i'll test it too :-D
12:44 kf tcohen: it's a bit tricky, but for some things it works fine
12:44 kf in my experience
12:46 tcohen good morning btw kf
12:46 kf good morning tcohen :)
12:47 druthb kf!
12:48 * druthb wriggles happily
12:48 kf druthb!
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13:37 banana whoami
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13:41 vfernandes sorry my net gone and I didn't saw if anyone asked my question
13:42 vfernandes problem with 3.12 and javascript
13:42 vfernandes opacuserjs isn't being loaded in portuguese translation
13:42 kf logs?
13:42 wahanui logs is
13:43 kf vfernandes: we did - you can take a look at the logs from earlier
13:47 vfernandes thanks kf and eythian :D
13:51 vfernandes by the way what you think about the design?
13:57 kf vfernandes: sorry, I didn't take a closer look really
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13:59 kf vfernandes: looks nice :)
14:01 vfernandes it sure looks :P
14:01 vfernandes it's possible to disable fast cataloguing?
14:03 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10592: fix display of favicon <[…]076543781925caaca> / Bug 10592: fix MARC21 006/008 cataloging plugins <[…]6d5dc03b84bf9194c>
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14:22 * tcohen is getting anxious
14:22 tcohen i want that pull request for the translation stuff to release!
14:23 kf tcohen: need bgkriegel for that?
14:23 tcohen yeap, he seems to be torturing some students on an exam
14:23 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8911: make sure history.txt gets installed where history.txt can see it <[…]660ed93203ecc02d8>
14:26 kf tcohen: but gives you time to pick 8911 if you want to :)
14:26 tcohen ;)
14:27 tcohen kf, have u done a clean packages install recently?
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14:27 kf not recently i have to confess
14:27 tcohen is it true that there are SIP-related messages or it is just me?
14:27 kf maybe drojf has
14:27 kf hm my coworker build packages from 3.12.1 + 4 patches or so from us
14:28 kf but he is already gone, he didn't mention any problems
14:28 tcohen is not a problem, it doesnt fail
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14:29 tcohen It just says "Starting SIP server for instance... " and does nothing
14:29 eythian does nothing?
14:29 eythian can you clarify?
14:30 eythian there's no such thing as "does nothing" :)
14:30 eythian unless it immediately reaches maximum entropy, I suppose.
14:31 slef any koha list admins awake?
14:31 eythian who would be awake at this time of day?
14:31 tcohen i don't have SIP configured but the koha-common init script advertises that stuff related to SIP is being started
14:31 eythian tcohen: that's not an answer. What do you mean when you say "does nothing"?
14:32 eythian Does it start a SIP daemon? Does it say the name of the instance? Does it freeze the computer up? Does the init script terminate, does it keep loading zebra daemons like it should?
14:33 pastebot "tcohen" at pasted "root@koha-dev:~# service koha-" (8 lines) at
14:33 eythian OK, so it doesn't do nothing then, that makes more sense :)
14:33 tcohen i'm sorry for any idiomatic confusion
14:33 eythian it just means you have a SIPconfig.xml in /etc/koha/sites/eco
14:34 eythian tcohen: you just need to describe things like a programmer :)
14:34 tcohen touche
14:35 eythian wahanui: touche is <reply>touché
14:35 wahanui OK, eythian.
14:36 rambutan1 touche?
14:36 wahanui touché
14:36 * eythian continues the trend of being precise :)
14:36 rambutan1 touché?
14:36 rambutan1 doesn't respond to that
14:36 * tcohen noticed :-P
14:36 jcamins touché?
14:36 jcamins I wonder why everyone else's acutes show up as question marks for me.
14:36 eythian it is a different word
14:36 rambutan1 wahanui: touché os <reply>touché
14:36 wahanui rambutan1: i'm not following you...
14:37 rambutan1 wahanui: touché is <reply>touché
14:37 wahanui OK, rambutan1.
14:37 rambutan1 touché?
14:37 wahanui touché
14:37 jcamins eythian: oh, what accent is everyone else using?
14:38 eythian the regular accent.
14:38 eythian é
14:38 rambutan1 En`guard´?
14:38 eythian compose-e-'
14:38 jcamins What do you see when I type "é"?
14:38 eythian e-accent
14:38 eythian jcamins: oh
14:38 eythian I was answering rambutan1
14:39 eythian all the accents/acutes look correct to me
14:39 jcamins Huh. I guess my terminal has the wrong settings.
14:39 eythian Tekenset: IRC (Latin/Unicode Hybrid)
14:39 eythian that's what I'm using
14:40 jcamins Hrm. I just have it set to UTF-8.
14:40 eythian your client probable isn't understanding latin that some people might be
14:40 eythian +using
14:40 druthb jcamins:  dö my ö letters löök wröng?
14:40 jcamins druthb: nope.
14:40 jcamins I mean, they look wrong because how the heck do you pronounced "löök" but I see the umlauts.
14:41 druthb :P
14:41 eythian jcamins: like "luuuuu*breath*uuuuul"
14:41 eythian *k
14:41 * druthb is way möre metal than yoü.
14:42 eythian mötörhead has left the building.
14:43 druthb eythian:  I saw m?t?rhead, not mötörhead
14:43 eythian it probably ended up sending as latin1 or something.
14:43 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: bug 7143: add latest batch of committers <[…]e1c14a143ab137898> / Bug 7143 - Updating history and about page <[…]31ef916f1f73fd975>
14:44 rambutan1 well, everything looks right to me using xchat on openSUSE 12.1 (x86_64)
14:44 druthb (and it's Motörhead, not Mötörhead.  Even they aren't that ostentatious.)  :P
14:44 eythian rambutan1: because xchat uses Latin1/unicode hybrid by default.
14:44 rambutan1 Charset: UTF-8 Renderer: Pango
14:45 eythian where's that?
14:45 wahanui that is a good idea.
14:45 rambutan1 xchat: about
14:45 kf ?
14:45 kf ßßßööüüää?
14:45 * jcamins could read all that.
14:46 eythian you want xchat->network list->select the network->edit->charset
14:46 eythian as it does a conversion at the connection level
14:46 rambutan1 OK, now that doesn't work, unless that's GE-Arabic mixed
14:46 druthb Those look fine to me, kf.
14:46 jcamins I guess it's pronounced sssssssssssssooooeeeeeeoooooooeeeeeuuuuuuu​ueeeeeeeuuuuuuueeeeeeeaaaaaeeeeaaaaaeeee?
14:46 eythian jcamins: it's a short moon language word
14:47 druthb السلام عليك
14:47 druthb ?
14:47 kf eythian: :P
14:47 * druthb tries to see how many chat clients she can make choke at once.
14:47 jcamins That's too small for me to read.
14:48 jcamins I think you were going for السلام عليكم
14:48 jcamins But you seem to be missing a few letters.
14:48 jcamins Or they're just soo small that I can't see them.
14:48 druthb sloppy  cut-and-paste, yeah.
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14:50 druthb And your Arabic came thorough just fine here, jcamins.
14:50 rambutan1 ภาษาเขียน
14:50 jcamins rambutan1: Thai?
14:50 druthb Thai, and it looks fine.  :)
14:50 rambutan1 si
14:51 jcamins In that case, it came through fine.
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14:51 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
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14:51 druthb लिखित भाषा?
14:51 rambutan1 한국말
14:51 druthb Now I see why Hindi and Arabic typically use bigger font sizes.  *squint*
14:52 rambutan1 안녕 mtompset
14:52 druthb Hi, mtompset! :D
14:52 mtompset Greetings, druthb rambutan1.
14:52 druthb We're trying to give weak IRC clients a nervous breakdown.
14:53 mtompset Oh, I name dropped your name to a librarian colleague of mine, druthb, since I don't know how to get involved in the translation of Koha into Tagalog, Illocano, etc.
14:53 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10197: Add classes to patron info list <[…]4f798d2c49f50adcf> / Bug 10604: DBRev <[…]b33818ad926a88c07> / Bug 10604: increase width of two columns in the courses table <[…]tdiff;h=3793bfe9e
14:54 tcohen is this ok in english: "Debian packages users: About Koha > Timeline was fixed for new instances. If you want it fixed on previously created instances you need to add <docdir>/usr/share/doc/koha-common</docdir> to the instance's koha-conf.xml file, on the <config> section."
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14:54 druthb mtompset:  Moar Translators!  mtompset++
14:55 mtompset Seems fine, tcohen. So, to fix older instances, you need to add that docdir line into your koha-conf.xml for the instance?
14:55 nengard hi all... just wanted to pop in an apologize for the recent silence on my part - i've been on the road nearly constantly since June 27th ... pluse we're prepping for a move to Texas here for Bri's new job - I'm still around and haven't forgotten about all of you!
14:55 nengard Tomorrow i'm heading to OSCon where I'll talk up Koha with everyone I meet :)
14:55 tcohen on 3.12.2, yes
14:55 druthb bgkreigel and tcohen have taken over that role, but I'll be glad to give 'em tips and encouragement to get 'em started.
14:55 druthb Hi, nengard. :P
14:55 mtompset tcohen: Then what you wrote is perfectly okay. :)
14:56 druthb Just run off and forget about us…. *dramatic sob*
14:56 mtompset druthb: My librarian colleague is on a Filipino mailing list in which they are all trying to do Fedora-based installs mostly.
14:57 * mtompset pokes, druthb, "Drama Queen!"
14:57 druthb That would be me, yes.  When I need to be.  I'm not Catholic enough to guilt-trip nengard, and she's immune to my machinations anyway; she's known me too long.
14:57 mtompset I also name dropped tcohen too. ;)
14:58 druthb nengard is responsible for the ugliest picture of druthb known to exist.
14:58 mtompset ugliest?
14:58 nengard huh
14:58 nengard what
14:58 nengard i don't take ugly pictures :)
14:59 druthb[…]88&type=3&theater
14:59 nengard k ... that person isn't ugly ... it's just not you anymore :)
14:59 mtompset That's not a bad picture at all!
15:00 druthb I have continuity of memory with that being, but it's pretty blurry.
15:00 mtompset It's a good picture of who you were.
15:01 mtompset Okay, strange question. I grabbed linux mint.
15:01 mtompset I hate desktop.
15:01 druthb At that point, I was trying to get Koha running on an Asus EEEpc 900 that I'd bought used on Craigslist, mostly to prove I could do it.
15:01 mtompset How do you uninstall a desktop and get a distribution to just do command line?
15:02 jcamins mtompset: apt-get remove x11?
15:03 druthb I still have that Asus, nengard.  It's now my media center.  :D (with a 3 TB external drive, natch)
15:03 nengard wow
15:04 nengard that's an idea .... we have an old tower for our media server
15:04 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10552: make several sysprefs available to the OPAC login page <[…]cb90e8a5ba4b6289b>
15:04 druthb It runs OpenELEC/XBMC just fine! :)
15:04 eythian mtompset: what mint?
15:04 wahanui mint is a debian based one, and is nicer than ubuntu
15:04 eythian debian or ubuntu based?
15:04 druthb The only thing not working is the wireless, but since I've got it on the router, it's a non-issue for me.
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15:04 eythian does it have a mint-desktop package, similar to ubuntu?
15:05 mtompset ubuntu-based.
15:05 mtompset I think.
15:05 mtompset Olivia?
15:05 eythian perhaps you can just remove that package and install mint-minimal, or something along those lines.
15:05 * eythian has never used mint, so is just extrapolating.
15:06 mtompset druthb: Sounds like some nice tech. :)
15:06 mtompset Those Asus EEE's are nice. I'm using my Asus EEE 1015PEM right now. :)
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15:11 mtompset Greetings, eythian jcamins pianohacker nengard tcohen. I think I got everyone I missed before. :)
15:13 mtompset I just installed (micro symbol)torrent the other day on my desktop. I keep getting corrupted ISOs when I download. To think I'm using it for legitimate purposes, given torrents' reputation otherwise.
15:13 eythian torrents shouldn't be able to result in corrupted files, in general,.
15:14 eythian they checksum each part.
15:14 eythian s/checksum/hash/
15:14 eythian if there's errors in it, they discard it.
15:14 mtompset No, the torrents are good. My brower downloads weren't.
15:14 mtompset Sorry for the ambiguity.
15:14 eythian ah, that's more likely :)
15:15 eythian in that case, you chuck the browser file into the torrent directory and let it fix it by replacing the bad bits, it's very quick.
15:15 mtompset That's what I did. :)
15:15 eythian good :)
15:19 rambutan1 I'm late to the party, but Mint w/ Mate is the greatest OS+desktop ever invented (obligatory IMHO)
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15:23 eythian <-- hmm
15:25 rambutan1 $32,000,000?
15:26 rambutan1 obviously they're looking for name-brand corporate contributions. $5 and $10 individual donations won't get the goal
15:27 eythian rambutan1: that's not how it works
15:27 eythian for $600 you get one
15:27 eythian or $830
15:31 mtompset So over 50,000 people?
15:32 jcamins Only 39k at $830.
15:32 mtompset So they are aiming for 39-54k people?
15:33 mtompset Only 7.5% of the planet?
15:33 eythian err
15:33 eythian there is more than that number of people on the planet.
15:34 eythian by quite a bit
15:34 mtompset Oops... e-6
15:35 mtompset That's a multiple shift problem. Oops. :)
15:35 tcohen eythian: would you take a look at bug 10617
15:36 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10617 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Init script cleanup
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15:37 eythian I don't like removing the commented out status thing. It'd be better to implement it.
15:37 drojf eythian: i have to edit debian/control and f i want to add a dependency?
15:37 eythian drojf: oh, I actually got that wrong in hindsight.
15:37 tcohen and apart from that eythian?
15:37 eythian assuming it's a perl dep, just, and that should be done by using debain/update-control
15:38 drojf ok. and if it is not a perl dep like gnupg?
15:38 eythian drojf: then it must be in
15:39 drojf so if it is a perl dep it must be in and if not then the same? you sounded like it made a difference at first ;)
15:40 eythian drojf: no, one of those was a typo
15:40 drojf argh :D
15:40 eythian for a perl dep: control, however it should be generated with debian/update-control
15:40 eythian for a non-perl-dep, both.
15:42 drojf from what is control generated? (if you say from i am completely confused)
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15:43 tcohen we don't have a daemon running btw
15:43 eythian drojf: from
15:44 drojf lol
15:44 eythian tcohen: yes we do, zebra and optionally sipserver
15:44 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10576: make strings in additem.js accessible to translation <[…]5d679b1312975e74d>
15:45 tcohen so service koha-common status should check everything that is set to is running, and alert otherwise?
15:45 drojf ok, so i 1) add my non-perl dep to 2) use update-control to generate control and then add the perl-dep manually?
15:45 eythian tcohen: yeah, it should check that everything that should be running is
15:46 eythian drojf: no. update-control takes, adds the perl deps to it, and creates control
15:46 * drojf needs a comprehension beer
15:46 mtompset (a humorous variation on 99 bottles of beer on the wall)
15:46 eythian so if it's a perl dep, you just regenerated from
15:47 eythian if it's a non-perl dep, you put it in and regenerate from, or be lazy and just put it in both of them.
15:48 drojf and some people say ACQ workflows are weird
15:48 drojf on a second thought, now it sounds easy
15:49 drojf thanks eythian, i'll come back and cry if it does not work ;)
15:49 eythian OK :)
15:49 eythian it all makes sense if you compare the two files.
15:49 drojf i remember one had a lot more stuff in it ;)
15:49 mtompset will that be before or after the comprehension beer, drojf? ;)
15:49 drojf mtompset: way after :D
15:49 tcohen i updated the patch eythian, thanks for the input
15:49 * drojf has to change libraries
15:49 drojf later
15:54 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10578: fix results sorting in staff interface <[…]87577a8686c07d27c>
15:54 gaetan_B bye
16:16 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10586: fix CSS styling when printing cart from Firefox <[…]ba3dd59255ee26926>
16:27 reiveune bye
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16:31 mtompset Oooo... royal baby is on its way.
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16:36 eythian rumour has it there's three arms.
16:41 cait ?
16:42 eythian ¿
16:44 cait that was just a strange comment to come back online to :)
16:44 gmcharlt time to reread "A Study In Emerald" by Neil Gaiman
16:45 cait oh
16:45 eythian is that the "A young lady's primer" one?
16:45 eythian no wait
16:45 eythian that's Neal Stephenson
16:55 pianohacker Neal Stephenson!
16:58 pianohacker cait: I'm working on a pretty complex JavaScript application, and the "no translation of JavaScript strings outside templates" restriction is really bugging me. How hard do you think that would be to fix?
16:58 cait you would need to write a script that can successfully parse the js files
16:59 cait i have no idea how complex that really is
16:59 pianohacker cait: hmm, okay
16:59 cait would using an include work?
17:00 cait Owen used one to make datatables controls translatable
17:00 cait maybe take a look at that?
17:00 pianohacker True, that's something
17:00 pianohacker I remember how utterly insane that thing is, but fixing the underlying issue might be a better long-term solution
17:00 pianohacker thanks for the duct-tape though :)
17:02 cait yeah - it might not be even that hard if you know what you are doing.... so that rules out me doing it :)
17:03 cait pianohacker: one nice thing about not fixing it is, that we don't have to copy the js files for every language
17:03 cait i think most of them have no moved outside of the language directories even?
17:03 cait have now...
17:04 gmcharlt yeah, for exactly that reason, I'd rather that we not end up having to copy the javascript around during installation
17:05 gmcharlt a messagecatalog-like construct might be easier to work with, perhaps
17:05 cait gmcharlt: we have an open bug about them not being translatable... i think I'd like to close it thinking about those side effects
17:05 pianohacker true that
17:05 cait gmcharlt: can you explain that a bit?
17:06 gmcharlt cait: sure, something like this:
17:06 pianohacker And I'm trying to keep this pretty modular, but UI code with every single string replaced by LONG_UPPERCASE_CONSTANT is pretty ugly, awkward and unnecessarily indirect IMO
17:07 pianohacker trying to get an idea of how strings tie together in an application translated that way is often rather difficult
17:07 cait gmcharlt: that looks easy to read, butnot sure how to make the properties fieles usable with pootle
17:08 gmcharlt cait: oh, *that* has got to be pretty easy to write a .pot parser for
17:08 cait :)
17:08 cait i totally believe you when you say that :)
17:08 cait i just don't want to end up with something like the cataloguing xml plugins :(
17:09 cait we missed thinking aobu translatability when they went in, and they stayed untranslatable for a pretty long time :(
17:09 cait so better think about those things early
17:09 gmcharlt easy enough to make it a requirement for accepting a patch that uses jquery.i18n (or whatever)
17:09 pianohacker cait: What are you talking about?
17:10 cait we got really nice plugins for cataloguing based on xml - but noone thought that the scripts wouldn't be able to deal with them
17:10 cait i have no idea who contributed them.. hope not stepping on toes here
17:10 cait we all just missed it and then it sat there
17:14 cait *sighs*
17:14 cait i just go and qa some ok? :)
17:14 cait I think i am not making sense again.
17:15 eythian you could probably do some interesting things with translation for JS
17:15 eythian like externalise all your strings
17:15 eythian so you JS load the translations file and it's all inserted at runtime in the browser.
17:17 cait all the strings inside JS or all all strings?
17:17 eythian just in the js
17:17 cait k
17:22 tcohen @seen bgkriegel
17:22 huginn` tcohen: bgkriegel was last seen in #koha 1 week, 0 days, 19 hours, 58 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <bgkriegel> @later tell dcook Bug 9458 is now in 3.10.x, less fancy than 3.12 but works well
17:22 tcohen hmm
17:23 tcohen gmcharlt: could jquery-i18n-properties conflict with our own i18n handling?
17:25 tcohen (i.e. it won't be looking at KohaOpacLang cookie)
17:26 cait btw gmcharlt++ for explaining :)
17:26 gmcharlt tcohen: what i18n of our JavaScript do we have currently? ;)
17:26 gmcharlt more seriously, yes, presumably glue code would have to be written to get the correct current language
17:27 cait we would be starting with the js files... and maybe extend to the javascript in the pages later... if there is a good reason those shoudl not be separate js files i guess?
17:30 tcohen we are currently translating some JS using _("") on the themes
17:31 tcohen i agree we should move javascript outside the translatable stuff
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17:46 pianohacker gmcharlt: So, besides this translation stuff, what would be the best place to put non-language specific JS right now that isn't from an external library?
17:47 jcamins I was thinking koha-tmpl/[intranet|opac]-tmpl/lib/koha/
17:47 gmcharlt that works for me
17:48 pianohacker jcamins: I like lib/koha
17:48 gmcharlt koha-tmpl/*-tmpl/js also works for me, but would require a bit of patching to the install and packaging scripts to tbe recognized
17:48 cait hm on the risk of this being not a very clever question - is there a reason we have 2 plugins that look like they are for the branch names? (TT plugins)
17:49 gmcharlt cait: because we hate the DRY principle, apparently
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17:50 cait at least i am not hallucinating ...
17:50 cait so ok to open a bug about those?
17:50 gmcharlt yep; I see no reason not to consolidate them
17:50 cait ok
17:50 cait weird thing - both seem to be from khall?
17:50 gmcharlt @blame khall
17:50 huginn` gmcharlt: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
17:51 gmcharlt probably just as well that huginn doesn't have that plugin enabled :)
17:51 cait what would it do? :)
17:52 gmcharlt just provide a funny message
17:58 druthb @quote random
17:58 huginn` druthb: Quote #233: "<oleonard> How about Now that she's three my daughter has terrible authority control" (added by gmcharlt at 05:06 PM, February 14, 2013)
17:58 cait @excuse
17:58 huginn` cait: My excuse for today is "global warming"
17:58 cait that's very fitting huginn
17:58 cait @wunder Konstanz
17:58 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 27.9°C (7:55 PM CEST on July 22, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Falling).
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18:13 tcohen bye #koha
18:19 druthb @wunder 77063
18:19 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 35.3°C (1:16 PM CDT on July 22, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
18:19 druthb !
18:19 druthb @excuse
18:19 huginn` druthb: My excuse for today is "global warming"
18:19 druthb fair 'nuf.
18:19 druthb wahanui:  cait?
18:19 wahanui go back to bed, cait.
18:19 druthb LOL
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18:35 oleonard Hi #koha
18:35 cait hi oleonard .)
18:35 druthb hi, oleonard! :)
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18:40 mtompset Greetings, oleonard.
18:41 mtompset @excuse
18:41 huginn` mtompset: My excuse for today is "global warming"
18:41 oleonard Pretty good excuse these days, given the weather around here.
18:42 mtompset Someone should change that to "Climate Change". "global warming" is less vogue. ;)
18:45 * druthb blames mtompset.
18:46 mtompset (South Park: Blame Canada)
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18:48 oleonard nengard: Bug 10623 is about items which are lost and checked out at the same time? Long overdue?
18:49 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10623 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , item lost says 'checked out'
18:49 nengard long overdue/lost
18:49 nengard and still checked out
18:49 wahanui checked out is set to 0000-00-00.
18:49 nengard no it's not :)
18:50 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10516 - Follow up - Fixing capitalization <[…]493926181389efa6a> / Bug 10516 - Improve titles, breadcrumbs, and confirmation messages for Z39.50 server... <[…]2a00a93777984c7a5>
18:53 cait pianohacker: still around?
18:53 pianohacker cait: yeah, what's up?
18:53 cait can you please rebase 10486?
18:53 cait i can't get it to apply
18:53 cait Repository lacks necessary blobs to fall back on 3-way merge.
18:54 cait well, whenever you got time :)
18:55 cait it looks like it's opac.css giving trouble
18:55 pianohacker crapspackle
18:55 pianohacker okay, I'll do that
19:00 druthb crapspackle?
19:00 * druthb falls out of her chair laughing.
19:01 druthb That's a new one.
19:02 pianohacker druthb: khall++ :)
19:02 druthb you're blaming khall for that?
19:02 pianohacker yup
19:02 druthb heh
19:03 druthb Interesting image, to be sure.
19:05 druthb Saw an interesting note on a whiteboard here, pianohacker and gmcharlt, that you might approve of…
19:05 pianohacker oh?
19:05 druthb "Why innovate? "    "echo 'STABLE' | sed 's/B//' "    #that's why
19:06 pianohacker Hah! excellent
19:06 gmcharlt hehe
19:07 druthb It is particularly relevant here, since our releases are always tagged like that—  MAINT, STABLE, EDGE
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19:10 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10557: remove unused branch parameter from GetBooksellersWithLateOrders <[…]ca654471eebf949a3>
19:11 rambutan1 @wunder 64507
19:11 huginn` rambutan1: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 35.3°C (2:11 PM CDT on July 22, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Falling).
19:11 jcamins Wow. Queens_Library-- # For having two books listed as overdue in my account *EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE LISTED AS AVAILABLE IN THE CATALOG*
19:12 * cait is just glad that's not a Koha bug
19:12 cait enough bugs for today - good night all :)
19:12 pianohacker bye cait
19:13 oleonard jcamins: Is that like being on super-secret probation?
19:13 jcamins oleonard: no, I think it's more like Queens Library once again being on the forefront of library disservice.
19:14 gmcharlt jcamins: tell us what you really think! ;)
19:14 jcamins I feel like I should tweet how appalled I am about this.
19:15 cait gmcharlt++
19:15 cait :)
19:15 jcamins I'm sure they'll remove the books from my record, but for crying out loud, their website has a shortcut for reporting that this has happened.
19:15 jcamins Pro tip: when you need a special shortcut to allow people to report that your system is broken, you need a new system.
19:16 gmcharlt jcamins: to be fair, the library staff may be in full agreement with that statement
19:17 jcamins gmcharlt: I would think so. But that doesn't make it any less appalling.
19:20 * jcamins sends them a complaint to add to their file, just in case they're one short for getting things changed.
19:23 mtompset You could always mention that you do Koha support. ;)
19:23 jcamins mtompset: frankly, any ILS that functions would be an improvement.
19:23 jcamins It takes three minutes -- well, almost -- to log in to my account.
19:24 mtompset True, but given this is the Koha channel, I thought I would suggest you push Koha first. ;)
19:25 mtompset 3 minutes?! Even with my patch and some weird SAML laginess, it doesn't take more than 20 seconds for me and Koha. :)
19:25 jcamins Since I wouldn't be interested in working with them, I'll leave the suggestion off.
19:28 jcamins Ooh, their website is made of win.
19:28 jcamins I tried to submit a complaint about the fact that this is apparently a systematic feature (Shari says it's happened to her too), and they rejected the complaint option and lost my message.
19:29 oleonard All part of the plan.
19:57 mtompset Cheaper than goats behind the wall of a suggestion box. ;)
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20:10 jcamins oleonard: I have a usability question for you. Do you think clicking on an item in a list to select it is fairly predictable? (not in Koha; I know in Koha we always use checkboxes regardless how predictable it is)
20:11 oleonard Clicking an item in a list *without* a checkbox?
20:11 jcamins Right.
20:11 oleonard I would think that is not typically predictable.
20:12 oleonard Do you have real-world examples?
20:12 jcamins Yes, I'm trying to find it again.
20:12 jcamins Mr. Helpful Kitty just climbed on my keyboard.
20:13 jcamins Actually, we do have an example in Koha.
20:13 jcamins I had forgotten about it.
20:13 jcamins In the quotes editor.
20:16 oleonard I think such interfaces would either have to be accompanied by explanatory text or styled in such a way that it was clear what to do
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20:41 mtompset Oops... running late. Bye, #koha.
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21:29 drojf good evening #koha
21:31 jcamins drojf: you should get Koha running on an arduino.
21:31 drojf lol
21:31 jcamins Then we could have a fully-mobile library system.
21:32 wizzyrea or a pi
21:32 jcamins Give it some legs, and it could follow after you: "would you like a book?"
21:32 jcamins wizzyrea: drojf already did that.
21:32 wizzyrea oh you mean for the legs.
21:32 wizzyrea i bet it is not fast.
21:32 wizzyrea we are running rasbmc on ours now - it's nice
21:33 wizzyrea it's just a fun little computer thing
21:33 jcamins wizzyrea: well, I was thinking of having Koha running on the arduino chip as well, but I suppose you could hook an rPi to an arduino to tell it to walk.
21:33 drojf i have an arduino hooked to a pi
21:33 drojf so yes, you can ;)
21:33 jcamins Actually, with Plack, Koha on an rPi isn't bad at all.
21:33 wizzyrea confetti!
21:33 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
21:33 jcamins Provided you don't want to do anything big.
21:33 jcamins Importing 56k records?
21:33 jcamins Bad idea.
21:34 drojf it's alright for a small library. if only plack would be completely working
21:34 wizzyrea oh, jcamins, to get the small confetti, you have to exclamation point
21:34 wizzyrea also good morning.
21:34 jcamins wizzyrea: ohhhhh.
21:34 jcamins Thanks.
21:34 wizzyrea confetti
21:34 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
21:34 jcamins Or maybe it just hates me.
21:34 wizzyrea oh or it's got two responses
21:34 jcamins confetti
21:34 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
21:34 jcamins confetti
21:34 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
21:34 jcamins confetti
21:34 wahanui confetti is[…]1qh8hleo1_400.gif
21:34 wizzyrea yep :)
21:34 drojf confetti
21:34 wahanui well, confetti is[…]1qh8hleo1_400.gif
21:34 jcamins Yeah, it just didn't feel like throwing any confetti the other day.
21:35 wizzyrea more confetti!
21:35 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'​`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'
21:35 wizzyrea you can always get it with more confetti lol.
21:36 drojf i don't know how to survive with only two raspberry pi. i have one with that music distribution i can't remember the name of… but i want my raspberry koha back and i also want one running asterisk…
21:37 jcamins drojf: asterisk?
21:37 jcamins I tried to set up a mumble server, and it didn't work too well.
21:38 jcamins It kept on drowning the logs with errors about lag or something like that.
21:38 jcamins Also, Shari resolutely refused to use an intercom in a 1br apartment.
21:38 jcamins She prefers shouting.
21:38 drojf i have an xmpp server and bittorrent on the other. and things i forgot about
21:39 drojf asterisk is a telephone voip whatever thingy. i'd like to play with voip tp gsm
21:39 * oleonard sneaks up behind wizzyrea and goes BOO
21:39 drojf *to
21:39 wizzyrea HI
21:39 jcamins drojf: yeah, I know what asterisk is, I'm just doubtful about how well it will work, if mumble didn't work.
21:39 wizzyrea sup oleonard
21:39 drojf i see
21:39 drojf there is a distribution for that
21:40 drojf and i have seen something… mom
21:40 jcamins Well- I guess mumble did work, it just complained a lot about how it wasn't working.
21:40 oleonard I am workin' the late shift today.
21:40 wizzyrea WOO!
21:41 * wizzyrea thought you were going to tell me that the responsive demo was broken or something :)
21:41 jcamins oleonard: oh, BTW, kiwiirc works over port 80 if you're at the super-restrictive firewalled library again in the future.
21:41 drojf jcamins:[…]erry-gsm-gateway/ seems to work very well
21:41 oleonard No, I'm not actually doing any Koha work today because I'm doing regular librarian stuff
21:42 wizzyrea *gasp&
21:43 wizzyrea you are observing koha in the wild, looking for ways to make it better? ;)
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21:43 jcamins drojf: whoah, cool!
21:44 oleonard Yes, I've found that we really need to build in an "I forgot my library card" module
21:44 wizzyrea whereby the koha server gets up, walks to their house, and retrieves it based on the radio signal from the chip in the library card?
21:45 jcamins wizzyrea: I thought that module was supposed to extrude an arm from the monitor and dope slap the patron.
21:45 drojf lol
21:45 drojf i'd like that
21:45 * wizzyrea spits tea
21:45 wizzyrea bwa hahahaha
21:46 wizzyrea[…]ter-slap.gif.html
21:46 rambutan1 I want one of these:
21:46 rambutan1[…]sh=item3f0ffb0e0d
21:47 pianohacker rambutan1: For the bandwidth doubling hack?
21:48 rambutan1 no, to do RF measurements mostly
21:49 drojf wizzyrea: how is raspmbc? now that i have monitor that is capable of hdmi (and huge) i should try that some time too.
21:49 wizzyrea we use it with DLNA - it's fab
21:50 oleonard You guys are just making up words now.
21:52 drojf lol
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21:54 wizzyrea dlna is the upnp video streaming service... thingie.
21:57 drojf ok, together with an onion pi for tor i only need like… 10 more pis
21:57 wizzyrea Pi ALL THE THINGS!
21:57 drojf \o/
21:58 oleonard Geeze, ladies' yoga group you are the loudest.
21:58 * wizzyrea imagines the sound
22:00 drojf yoga group? you seem to have a rather open definition of library
22:01 oleonard They're using our meeting room
22:02 cjh lost internet at home a few days ago, so have to try do the release tonight before I leave work.
22:03 * oleonard idly wonders if anyone named "Destiny" will ever be on the US Supreme Court
22:08 bag ha
22:14 * jcamins wonders if he should report a bug with the automated ticketing system that Queens Library uses, decides to cut his losses.
22:15 jcamins It turns out if you submit a ticket with the request that they not contact you it includes the message from the previous ticket the agent addressed.
22:16 oleonard Messages like "How do I renew my books? My library card number is XXX and my password is XXX..."
22:16 jcamins (I submitted a ticket to test the ticket submitting after I had cleared my cache so I could give a complete bug report; in order to be sure they weren't confused, I included the note "please don't respond, this ticket is just a test so that I can provide better information for the bug report that I filed separately")
22:16 jcamins oleonard: more like "Dear [redacted], Your SAP password..." oh my.
22:16 jcamins oleonard: yes, _exactly_ like that.
22:19 drojf can we have that in koha?
22:19 * jcamins thinks this has to be written in PHP.
22:19 jcamins Truly, it is a fractal of bad design.
22:20 oleonard I remember looking at the Queens Library web site when we did a big redesign several years ago. Design-wise it has gone downhill.
22:20 jcamins Functionality-wise, it has fallen off a cliff.
22:20 drojf heh
22:22 rambutan1 what ILS do they use?
22:23 jcamins rambutan1: Virtua + Aquabrowser I think.
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22:34 drojf druthb!
22:36 druthb drojf!
22:36 wizzyrea aquabrowser is pants.
22:36 pianohacker pianohacker!
22:36 wahanui pianohacker is a Dune fan, it seems.
22:37 oleonard wahanui knows this because pianohacker walks without rhythm
22:37 wahanui oleonard: what?
22:37 cjh <3 Dune
22:38 pianohacker hahahahahahaha
22:38 cjh oleonard: heh nice
22:38 druthb lol
22:38 * druthb walks without rhythm, too, but it's because of the bum leg.  *shuffle stumble trip BONK*
22:38 pianohacker ... I recognized that quote from Fatboy Slim, actually...
22:41 oleonard
22:41 cjh > The uploader has not made this video available in your country.
22:41 pianohacker yup :)
22:42 pianohacker cjh: what the hell? That's crap
22:42 oleonard I had a feeling. There are other versions on YouTube though
22:42 oleonard Other copies I mean.
22:43 oleonard They should have a big "you cannot share this outside your country" label on it
22:43 oleonard Stop enjoying our cultural exports, foreigners!
22:44 wizzyrea cjh:[…]oice/43Felf?src=5
22:44 cjh T.T
22:44 oleonard Except that new Lone Ranger movie. Enjoy that lots because we're not buying tickets for that.
22:44 pianohacker lord sno
22:44 pianohacker *lords no
22:44 * wizzyrea went to see pacific rim over the weekend
22:44 pianohacker how was that?
22:44 wizzyrea that was totally worth it.
22:44 cjh wizzyrea: good?
22:44 wahanui good is the furthest you go back, bad is the furthest you go forward (if those directions make sense)
22:44 cjh wizzyrea: grooveshark is glitching out on that song, odd as it works for any other song.
22:45 cjh wizzyrea: apparently 'the man' doesnt want me to hear this.
22:45 * cjh gives up
22:45 wizzyrea the good: GIANT ROBOTS, giant. robots. Sea monsters.
22:46 wizzyrea the bad: only one female character (BUT she's kind of awesome)
22:46 cjh the bad: syncrhonised dancing?
22:46 wizzyrea the inbetween: the story was serviceable enough, but as you might expect it lacked real depth.
22:46 wizzyrea but seriously, totally worth it just for the giant robot vs sea monster fights.
22:47 wizzyrea oh and not gory at all (unless you count blue robot gore as "gory")
22:47 pianohacker does it count as passing the bechdel test if she talked to herself?
22:47 wizzyrea haha no
22:47 wizzyrea I don't think bechdel actually applies in this context.
22:47 wizzyrea lol.
22:47 pianohacker hahaha yeah
22:48 wizzyrea because bechdel doesn't account for female characters being alone, but awesome
22:48 wizzyrea also, no kissing
22:48 wizzyrea if you can believe that.
22:49 * wizzyrea is just glad that the earthquake didn't happen during the movie, we might not have noticed it
22:49 cjh heh
22:49 wizzyrea .........
22:49 cjh wizzyrea: you would have thought it was one of those '4d cinemas'
22:49 wizzyrea ikr
22:49 wizzyrea those exist?!
22:49 wizzyrea >.>
22:49 cjh at rainbows end they have a mini-cinema where you sit in chairs and get strapped down xD
22:50 * wizzyrea would not like being strapped down to anything in wellington at the moment
22:50 oleonard The Bechdel test requires that there be more than one named female character who speaks to another
22:50 * jcamins complains vehemently on Facebook about how poor the NYT's map visualization of income increases in the US is.
22:50 wizzyrea yea, it fails that
22:51 wizzyrea ...but she's still doing all right as a representative of femalekind I think
22:51 wizzyrea I wasn't offended by her silliness anyway
22:52 wizzyrea (or lack of silliness, as the case may be)
22:52 drojf 3.08.00, koha-dev, kohaclone… i bet it's a live dvd :P
22:52 drojf based on git
22:52 drojf and old and rotten
22:52 wizzyrea nah they say they installed it on debian
22:52 jcamins drojf: and politically partisan, too, claiming that New York and Boston are special even though they fall somewhere around the median.
22:53 jcamins Apparently once you start thinking about visualization, you lose the ability to say "hey, that's a nice visualization."
22:55 drojf wizzyrea: hm you are right, they say installed. second guess, old blog post by live dvd manager :P
22:56 wizzyrea now that could totally be
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23:03 wizzyrea hourly loans came in 3.8 right?
23:04 drojf lol
23:05 wizzyrea "experienced enough"
23:05 * wizzyrea is not sure of the context here
23:08 drojf hehehe
23:12 * wizzyrea sighs
23:12 wizzyrea
23:12 wizzyrea that is pretty impressive, I have to say
23:13 gmcharlt wizzyrea: James Bond is taking this shaken, not stirred thing to ridiculous levels
23:13 wizzyrea :)
23:13 wizzyrea most of those you can't really feel on a conscious level.
23:13 wizzyrea well I can't anyway
23:14 wizzyrea can't/dont
23:15 oleonard You hankerin' for a good ol' fashioned tornado yet wizzyrea?
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23:17 wizzyrea nah, I don't think so.
23:21 pastebot "rangi" at pasted "how much code by each person still survives" (214 lines) at
23:21 druthb Brilliant!
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23:26 dcook morning #koha
23:28 drojf hi dcook
23:29 * drojf goes to bed
23:29 drojf night #koha
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23:31 dcook [off[ oleonard: Who was bitching about MySQL? Other than me, that is :p
23:31 dcook lol
23:31 * dcook had Monday off, so apparently Tuesday is the new Monday
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23:51 tcohen hi cjh
23:54 cjh hi tcohen :)
23:54 tcohen had a power outage
23:54 cjh tcohen: will do the release tonight after work before I go home
23:54 tcohen ok, what time that would be?
23:55 cjh in 6 hours and 5 minutes, ish :)
23:59 cjh tcohen: dont wait for me though :)
23:59 tcohen i'll be sleeping like apuppy
23:59 tcohen a think i'm releasing right now
23:59 tcohen just tested bernardo's .po files
23:59 cjh awesome :)
23:59 tcohen and the upgrade process

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