Time Nick Message
23:59 tcohen and the upgrade process
23:59 cjh awesome :)
23:59 tcohen just tested bernardo's .po files
23:59 tcohen a think i'm releasing right now
23:59 tcohen i'll be sleeping like apuppy
23:59 cjh tcohen: dont wait for me though :)
23:55 cjh in 6 hours and 5 minutes, ish :)
23:54 tcohen ok, what time that would be?
23:54 cjh tcohen: will do the release tonight after work before I go home
23:54 tcohen had a power outage
23:54 cjh hi tcohen :)
23:51 tcohen hi cjh
23:31 * dcook had Monday off, so apparently Tuesday is the new Monday
23:31 dcook lol
23:31 dcook [off[ oleonard: Who was bitching about MySQL? Other than me, that is :p
23:29 drojf night #koha
23:29 * drojf goes to bed
23:29 drojf [off] oleonard: hehe yes, probably
23:28 drojf hi dcook
23:26 dcook morning #koha
23:26 oleonard [off] drojf: Bitching about MySQL I presume
23:23 drojf [off] i wonder what the 30% of comments are in mbalmer's code
23:21 druthb Brilliant! http://laughingsquid.com/hipster-trap/
23:21 pastebot "rangi" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "how much code by each person still survives" (214 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/131
23:17 wizzyrea nah, I don't think so.
23:15 oleonard You hankerin' for a good ol' fashioned tornado yet wizzyrea?
23:14 wizzyrea can't/dont
23:13 wizzyrea well I can't anyway
23:13 wizzyrea most of those you can't really feel on a conscious level.
23:13 wizzyrea :)
23:13 gmcharlt wizzyrea: James Bond is taking this shaken, not stirred thing to ridiculous levels
23:12 wizzyrea that is pretty impressive, I have to say
23:12 wizzyrea http://www.geonet.org.nz/quakes/drums/wellington
23:12 * wizzyrea sighs
23:10 druthb [off] When I was with a clinical lab, we had a system dedicated to sales-support and whatnot. The sysadmin gave it the server name ATFAB, but wouldn't tell the salesfolk why. He didn't *have* to tell me. "AnyThing For A Buck."
23:09 gmcharlt [off] drojf: this is a black box containing magic; wizards maniuplate magical black boxes; because black boxes all look alike, the wizard claiming that he can maniuplate all black boxes is probably telling the truth
23:08 druthb [off] s/marking/marketing/
23:08 drojf hehehe
23:08 druthb [off] By being a fellow marking droid.
23:08 drojf [off] yes, but how can you not know that is obvious?
23:07 druthb [off] Besides, anyone who preaches that they are the be-all-end-all for all tech needs is *obvsiously* lying. Ain't no one that broad.
23:06 druthb [off] These aren't the droids you're looking for. These are marketing droids.
23:05 drojf [off] the person from the mailing list
23:05 * wizzyrea is not sure of the context here
23:05 drojf [off] Our products, services, technology leadership and proven experience make us the perfect fit for enterprises of all sizes, in every industry.
23:05 wizzyrea "experienced enough"
23:04 drojf lol
23:04 druthb [off] you don't get extra points in Buzzword Bingo for using the same word over.
23:04 druthb [off] Five variants of "technology/technological/technical" in two sentences? Sheesh.
23:03 drojf [off] i guess they know what they are doing with that old version installed in a non-standard way then
23:03 wizzyrea hourly loans came in 3.8 right?
23:03 drojf [off] ItCompletes has been in the forefront in the technological advances that have been taking place in the technical world. We are experienced enough in many technologies that are and have been used by the industry in order to evaluate technologies and tools and to identify the best set of technologies for individual projects in their specific contexts.
22:56 wizzyrea now that could totally be
22:55 drojf wizzyrea: hm you are right, they say installed. second guess, old blog post by live dvd manager :P
22:53 jcamins Apparently once you start thinking about visualization, you lose the ability to say "hey, that's a nice visualization."
22:52 jcamins drojf: and politically partisan, too, claiming that New York and Boston are special even though they fall somewhere around the median.
22:52 wizzyrea nah they say they installed it on debian
22:52 drojf and old and rotten
22:52 drojf based on git
22:52 drojf 3.08.00, koha-dev, kohaclone… i bet it's a live dvd :P
22:52 wizzyrea (or lack of silliness, as the case may be)
22:51 wizzyrea I wasn't offended by her silliness anyway
22:51 wizzyrea ...but she's still doing all right as a representative of femalekind I think
22:50 wizzyrea yea, it fails that
22:50 * jcamins complains vehemently on Facebook about how poor the NYT's map visualization of income increases in the US is.
22:50 oleonard The Bechdel test requires that there be more than one named female character who speaks to another
22:50 * wizzyrea would not like being strapped down to anything in wellington at the moment
22:49 cjh at rainbows end they have a mini-cinema where you sit in chairs and get strapped down xD
22:49 wizzyrea >.>
22:49 wizzyrea those exist?!
22:49 wizzyrea ikr
22:49 cjh wizzyrea: you would have thought it was one of those '4d cinemas'
22:49 wizzyrea .........
22:49 wizzyrea WOW THIS IS REALLY REALISTIC
22:49 cjh heh
22:49 * wizzyrea is just glad that the earthquake didn't happen during the movie, we might not have noticed it
22:48 wizzyrea if you can believe that.
22:48 wizzyrea also, no kissing
22:48 wizzyrea because bechdel doesn't account for female characters being alone, but awesome
22:47 pianohacker hahaha yeah
22:47 wizzyrea lol.
22:47 wizzyrea I don't think bechdel actually applies in this context.
22:47 wizzyrea haha no
22:47 pianohacker does it count as passing the bechdel test if she talked to herself?
22:47 wizzyrea oh and not gory at all (unless you count blue robot gore as "gory")
22:46 wizzyrea but seriously, totally worth it just for the giant robot vs sea monster fights.
22:46 wizzyrea the inbetween: the story was serviceable enough, but as you might expect it lacked real depth.
22:46 cjh the bad: syncrhonised dancing?
22:46 wizzyrea the bad: only one female character (BUT she's kind of awesome)
22:45 wizzyrea the good: GIANT ROBOTS, giant. robots. Sea monsters.
22:45 * cjh gives up
22:45 cjh wizzyrea: apparently 'the man' doesnt want me to hear this.
22:44 cjh wizzyrea: grooveshark is glitching out on that song, odd as it works for any other song.
22:44 wahanui good is the furthest you go back, bad is the furthest you go forward (if those directions make sense)
22:44 cjh wizzyrea: good?
22:44 wizzyrea that was totally worth it.
22:44 pianohacker how was that?
22:44 * wizzyrea went to see pacific rim over the weekend
22:44 pianohacker *lords no
22:44 pianohacker lord sno
22:44 oleonard Except that new Lone Ranger movie. Enjoy that lots because we're not buying tickets for that.
22:44 cjh T.T
22:44 wizzyrea cjh: http://grooveshark.com/s/Weapon+Of+Choice/43Felf?src=5
22:43 oleonard Stop enjoying our cultural exports, foreigners!
22:43 oleonard They should have a big "you cannot share this outside your country" label on it
22:42 oleonard Other copies I mean.
22:42 oleonard I had a feeling. There are other versions on YouTube though
22:42 pianohacker cjh: what the hell? That's crap
22:41 pianohacker yup :)
22:41 cjh > The uploader has not made this video available in your country.
22:41 oleonard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ7z57qrZU8
22:38 pianohacker ... I recognized that quote from Fatboy Slim, actually...
22:38 * druthb walks without rhythm, too, but it's because of the bum leg. *shuffle stumble trip BONK*
22:38 druthb lol
22:38 cjh oleonard: heh nice
22:38 pianohacker hahahahahahaha
22:37 cjh <3 Dune
22:37 wahanui oleonard: what?
22:37 oleonard wahanui knows this because pianohacker walks without rhythm
22:36 wahanui pianohacker is a Dune fan, it seems.
22:36 pianohacker pianohacker!
22:36 wizzyrea aquabrowser is pants.
22:36 druthb drojf!
22:34 drojf druthb!
22:26 jcamins [off] Don't worry. The patrons will get pretty irate when they see that their books are marked as overdue even though they're available in the system.
22:25 oleonard [off] Luckily there are plenty of other things to keep us busy
22:24 oleonard [off] Lord help me the boss loves Aquabrowser
22:23 jcamins rambutan1: Virtua + Aquabrowser I think.
22:22 rambutan1 what ILS do they use?
22:20 drojf heh
22:20 jcamins Functionality-wise, it has fallen off a cliff.
22:20 oleonard I remember looking at the Queens Library web site when we did a big redesign several years ago. Design-wise it has gone downhill.
22:19 jcamins Truly, it is a fractal of bad design.
22:19 * jcamins thinks this has to be written in PHP.
22:19 drojf can we have that in koha?
22:16 jcamins oleonard: yes, _exactly_ like that.
22:16 jcamins oleonard: more like "Dear [redacted], Your SAP password..." oh my.
22:16 jcamins (I submitted a ticket to test the ticket submitting after I had cleared my cache so I could give a complete bug report; in order to be sure they weren't confused, I included the note "please don't respond, this ticket is just a test so that I can provide better information for the bug report that I filed separately")
22:16 oleonard Messages like "How do I renew my books? My library card number is XXX and my password is XXX..."
22:15 jcamins It turns out if you submit a ticket with the request that they not contact you it includes the message from the previous ticket the agent addressed.
22:14 * jcamins wonders if he should report a bug with the automated ticketing system that Queens Library uses, decides to cut his losses.
22:08 bag ha
22:03 * oleonard idly wonders if anyone named "Destiny" will ever be on the US Supreme Court
22:02 cjh lost internet at home a few days ago, so have to try do the release tonight before I leave work.
22:01 oleonard They're using our meeting room
22:00 drojf yoga group? you seem to have a rather open definition of library
21:58 * wizzyrea imagines the sound
21:58 oleonard Geeze, ladies' yoga group you are the loudest.
21:57 drojf \o/
21:57 wizzyrea Pi ALL THE THINGS!
21:57 drojf ok, together with an onion pi for tor i only need like… 10 more pis
21:54 wizzyrea dlna is the upnp video streaming service... thingie.
21:52 drojf lol
21:50 oleonard You guys are just making up words now.
21:49 wizzyrea we use it with DLNA - it's fab
21:49 drojf wizzyrea: how is raspmbc? now that i have monitor that is capable of hdmi (and huge) i should try that some time too.
21:48 rambutan1 no, to do RF measurements mostly
21:47 pianohacker rambutan1: For the bandwidth doubling hack?
21:46 rambutan1 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rigol-DS1052E-digital-Oscilloscope-50MHz-1-GSa-sec-2-channels-plus-USB-storage-/270851051021?pt=BI_Oscilloscopes&hash=item3f0ffb0e0d
21:46 rambutan1 I want one of these:
21:46 wizzyrea http://s236.photobucket.com/user/Barbarosa_bucket/media/Gifs/computer-slap.gif.html
21:45 wizzyrea bwa hahahaha
21:45 * wizzyrea spits tea
21:45 drojf i'd like that
21:45 drojf lol
21:45 jcamins wizzyrea: I thought that module was supposed to extrude an arm from the monitor and dope slap the patron.
21:44 wizzyrea whereby the koha server gets up, walks to their house, and retrieves it based on the radio signal from the chip in the library card?
21:44 oleonard Yes, I've found that we really need to build in an "I forgot my library card" module
21:43 drojf [off] what i'd like to do is voip from my mobile into the pi and then use my sim card… which is at home while i am somewhere else. i'd like to see if you can beat radio cell surveillance and pretend i am home while i am not ;)
21:43 jcamins drojf: whoah, cool!
21:43 wizzyrea you are observing koha in the wild, looking for ways to make it better? ;)
21:42 wizzyrea *gasp&
21:41 oleonard No, I'm not actually doing any Koha work today because I'm doing regular librarian stuff
21:41 drojf jcamins: http://blog.carrier-connect.com/raspberry-gsm-gateway/ seems to work very well
21:41 jcamins oleonard: oh, BTW, kiwiirc works over port 80 if you're at the super-restrictive firewalled library again in the future.
21:41 * wizzyrea thought you were going to tell me that the responsive demo was broken or something :)
21:40 wizzyrea WOO!
21:40 oleonard I am workin' the late shift today.
21:40 jcamins Well- I guess mumble did work, it just complained a lot about how it wasn't working.
21:40 drojf and i have seen something… mom
21:39 drojf there is a distribution for that
21:39 drojf i see
21:39 wizzyrea sup oleonard
21:39 jcamins drojf: yeah, I know what asterisk is, I'm just doubtful about how well it will work, if mumble didn't work.
21:39 wizzyrea HI
21:39 drojf *to
21:39 * oleonard sneaks up behind wizzyrea and goes BOO
21:39 drojf asterisk is a telephone voip whatever thingy. i'd like to play with voip tp gsm
21:38 drojf i have an xmpp server and bittorrent on the other. and things i forgot about
21:38 jcamins She prefers shouting.
21:38 jcamins Also, Shari resolutely refused to use an intercom in a 1br apartment.
21:38 jcamins It kept on drowning the logs with errors about lag or something like that.
21:37 jcamins I tried to set up a mumble server, and it didn't work too well.
21:37 jcamins drojf: asterisk?
21:36 drojf i don't know how to survive with only two raspberry pi. i have one with that music distribution i can't remember the name of… but i want my raspberry koha back and i also want one running asterisk…
21:35 wizzyrea you can always get it with more confetti lol.
21:35 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'
21:35 wizzyrea more confetti!
21:34 jcamins Yeah, it just didn't feel like throwing any confetti the other day.
21:34 wahanui well, confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpm3j6aNaN1qh8hleo1_400.gif
21:34 drojf confetti
21:34 wizzyrea yep :)
21:34 wahanui confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpm3j6aNaN1qh8hleo1_400.gif
21:34 jcamins confetti
21:34 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
21:34 jcamins confetti
21:34 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
21:34 jcamins confetti
21:34 wizzyrea oh or it's got two responses
21:34 jcamins Or maybe it just hates me.
21:34 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
21:34 wizzyrea confetti
21:34 jcamins Thanks.
21:34 jcamins wizzyrea: ohhhhh.
21:34 wizzyrea also good morning.
21:34 wizzyrea oh, jcamins, to get the small confetti, you have to exclamation point
21:34 drojf it's alright for a small library. if only plack would be completely working
21:33 jcamins Bad idea.
21:33 jcamins Importing 56k records?
21:33 jcamins Provided you don't want to do anything big.
21:33 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
21:33 wizzyrea confetti!
21:33 jcamins Actually, with Plack, Koha on an rPi isn't bad at all.
21:33 drojf so yes, you can ;)
21:33 drojf i have an arduino hooked to a pi
21:33 jcamins wizzyrea: well, I was thinking of having Koha running on the arduino chip as well, but I suppose you could hook an rPi to an arduino to tell it to walk.
21:33 wizzyrea it's just a fun little computer thing
21:32 wizzyrea we are running rasbmc on ours now - it's nice
21:32 wizzyrea i bet it is not fast.
21:32 wizzyrea oh you mean for the legs.
21:32 jcamins wizzyrea: drojf already did that.
21:32 jcamins Give it some legs, and it could follow after you: "would you like a book?"
21:32 wizzyrea or a pi
21:31 jcamins Then we could have a fully-mobile library system.
21:31 drojf lol
21:31 jcamins drojf: you should get Koha running on an arduino.
21:29 drojf good evening #koha
20:41 mtompset Oops... running late. Bye, #koha.
20:16 oleonard I think such interfaces would either have to be accompanied by explanatory text or styled in such a way that it was clear what to do
20:13 jcamins In the quotes editor.
20:13 jcamins I had forgotten about it.
20:13 jcamins Actually, we do have an example in Koha.
20:12 jcamins Mr. Helpful Kitty just climbed on my keyboard.
20:12 jcamins Yes, I'm trying to find it again.
20:12 oleonard Do you have real-world examples?
20:11 oleonard I would think that is not typically predictable.
20:11 jcamins Right.
20:11 oleonard Clicking an item in a list *without* a checkbox?
20:10 jcamins oleonard: I have a usability question for you. Do you think clicking on an item in a list to select it is fairly predictable? (not in Koha; I know in Koha we always use checkboxes regardless how predictable it is)
19:57 mtompset Cheaper than goats behind the wall of a suggestion box. ;)
19:29 oleonard All part of the plan.
19:28 jcamins I tried to submit a complaint about the fact that this is apparently a systematic feature (Shari says it's happened to her too), and they rejected the complaint option and lost my message.
19:28 jcamins Ooh, their website is made of win.
19:25 jcamins Since I wouldn't be interested in working with them, I'll leave the suggestion off.
19:25 mtompset 3 minutes?! Even with my patch and some weird SAML laginess, it doesn't take more than 20 seconds for me and Koha. :)
19:24 mtompset True, but given this is the Koha channel, I thought I would suggest you push Koha first. ;)
19:23 jcamins It takes three minutes -- well, almost -- to log in to my account.
19:23 jcamins mtompset: frankly, any ILS that functions would be an improvement.
19:23 mtompset You could always mention that you do Koha support. ;)
19:20 * jcamins sends them a complaint to add to their file, just in case they're one short for getting things changed.
19:17 jcamins gmcharlt: I would think so. But that doesn't make it any less appalling.
19:16 gmcharlt jcamins: to be fair, the library staff may be in full agreement with that statement
19:15 jcamins Pro tip: when you need a special shortcut to allow people to report that your system is broken, you need a new system.
19:15 jcamins I'm sure they'll remove the books from my record, but for crying out loud, their website has a shortcut for reporting that this has happened.
19:15 cait :)
19:15 cait gmcharlt++
19:14 jcamins I feel like I should tweet how appalled I am about this.
19:14 gmcharlt jcamins: tell us what you really think! ;)
19:13 jcamins oleonard: no, I think it's more like Queens Library once again being on the forefront of library disservice.
19:13 oleonard jcamins: Is that like being on super-secret probation?
19:12 pianohacker bye cait
19:12 cait enough bugs for today - good night all :)
19:12 * cait is just glad that's not a Koha bug
19:11 jcamins Wow. Queens_Library-- # For having two books listed as overdue in my account *EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE LISTED AS AVAILABLE IN THE CATALOG*
19:11 huginn` rambutan1: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 35.3°C (2:11 PM CDT on July 22, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Falling).
19:11 rambutan1 @wunder 64507
19:10 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10557: remove unused branch parameter from GetBooksellersWithLateOrders <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f075448b8e00596ece780cca654471eebf949a3>
19:07 druthb It is particularly relevant here, since our releases are always tagged like that— MAINT, STABLE, EDGE
19:06 gmcharlt hehe
19:06 pianohacker Hah! excellent
19:05 druthb "Why innovate? " "echo 'STABLE' | sed 's/B//' " #that's why
19:05 pianohacker oh?
19:05 druthb Saw an interesting note on a whiteboard here, pianohacker and gmcharlt, that you might approve of…
19:03 druthb Interesting image, to be sure.
19:02 druthb heh
19:02 pianohacker yup
19:02 druthb you're blaming khall for that?
19:02 pianohacker druthb: khall++ :)
19:01 druthb That's a new one.
19:00 * druthb falls out of her chair laughing.
19:00 druthb crapspackle?
18:55 pianohacker okay, I'll do that
18:55 pianohacker crapspackle
18:55 cait it looks like it's opac.css giving trouble
18:54 cait well, whenever you got time :)
18:53 cait Repository lacks necessary blobs to fall back on 3-way merge.
18:53 cait i can't get it to apply
18:53 cait can you please rebase 10486?
18:53 pianohacker cait: yeah, what's up?
18:53 cait pianohacker: still around?
18:50 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10516 - Follow up - Fixing capitalization <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c5cc04ef3d5e50c376e37a1493926181389efa6a> / Bug 10516 - Improve titles, breadcrumbs, and confirmation messages for Z39.50 server... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5c60ae40f97d9c22504c2942a00a93777984c7a5>
18:49 nengard no it's not :)
18:49 wahanui checked out is set to 0000-00-00.
18:49 nengard and still checked out
18:49 nengard long overdue/lost
18:49 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10623 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , item lost says 'checked out'
18:48 oleonard nengard: Bug 10623 is about items which are lost and checked out at the same time? Long overdue?
18:46 mtompset http://youtu.be/bOR38552MJA (South Park: Blame Canada)
18:45 * druthb blames mtompset.
18:42 mtompset Someone should change that to "Climate Change". "global warming" is less vogue. ;)
18:41 oleonard Pretty good excuse these days, given the weather around here.
18:41 huginn` mtompset: My excuse for today is "global warming"
18:41 mtompset @excuse
18:40 mtompset Greetings, oleonard.
18:35 druthb hi, oleonard! :)
18:35 cait hi oleonard .)
18:35 oleonard Hi #koha
18:20 tweetbot [off] twitter: @KohaILS: "#KohaILS What’s happening with Koha 3.14? http://t.co/RPuDhD9Wzq"
18:19 druthb LOL
18:19 wahanui go back to bed, cait.
18:19 druthb wahanui: cait?
18:19 druthb fair 'nuf.
18:19 huginn` druthb: My excuse for today is "global warming"
18:19 druthb @excuse
18:19 druthb !
18:19 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 35.3°C (1:16 PM CDT on July 22, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
18:19 druthb @wunder 77063
18:13 tcohen bye #koha
17:58 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 27.9°C (7:55 PM CEST on July 22, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Falling).
17:58 cait @wunder Konstanz
17:58 cait that's very fitting huginn
17:58 huginn` cait: My excuse for today is "global warming"
17:58 cait @excuse
17:58 huginn` druthb: Quote #233: "<oleonard> How about Now that she's three my daughter has terrible authority control" (added by gmcharlt at 05:06 PM, February 14, 2013)
17:58 druthb @quote random
17:52 gmcharlt just provide a funny message
17:51 cait what would it do? :)
17:51 gmcharlt probably just as well that huginn doesn't have that plugin enabled :)
17:50 huginn` gmcharlt: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
17:50 gmcharlt @blame khall
17:50 cait weird thing - both seem to be from khall?
17:50 cait ok
17:50 gmcharlt yep; I see no reason not to consolidate them
17:50 cait so ok to open a bug about those?
17:50 cait at least i am not hallucinating ...
17:49 gmcharlt cait: because we hate the DRY principle, apparently
17:48 cait hm on the risk of this being not a very clever question - is there a reason we have 2 plugins that look like they are for the branch names? (TT plugins)
17:48 gmcharlt koha-tmpl/*-tmpl/js also works for me, but would require a bit of patching to the install and packaging scripts to tbe recognized
17:48 pianohacker jcamins: I like lib/koha
17:47 gmcharlt that works for me
17:47 jcamins I was thinking koha-tmpl/[intranet|opac]-tmpl/lib/koha/
17:46 pianohacker gmcharlt: So, besides this translation stuff, what would be the best place to put non-language specific JS right now that isn't from an external library?
17:31 tcohen i agree we should move javascript outside the translatable stuff
17:30 tcohen we are currently translating some JS using _("") on the themes
17:27 cait we would be starting with the js files... and maybe extend to the javascript in the pages later... if there is a good reason those shoudl not be separate js files i guess?
17:26 gmcharlt more seriously, yes, presumably glue code would have to be written to get the correct current language
17:26 gmcharlt tcohen: what i18n of our JavaScript do we have currently? ;)
17:26 cait btw gmcharlt++ for explaining :)
17:25 tcohen (i.e. it won't be looking at KohaOpacLang cookie)
17:23 tcohen gmcharlt: could jquery-i18n-properties conflict with our own i18n handling?
17:22 tcohen hmm
17:22 huginn` tcohen: bgkriegel was last seen in #koha 1 week, 0 days, 19 hours, 58 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <bgkriegel> @later tell dcook Bug 9458 is now in 3.10.x, less fancy than 3.12 but works well
17:22 tcohen @seen bgkriegel
17:17 cait k
17:17 eythian just in the js
17:17 cait all the strings inside JS or all all strings?
17:15 eythian so you JS load the translations file and it's all inserted at runtime in the browser.
17:15 eythian like externalise all your strings
17:15 eythian you could probably do some interesting things with translation for JS
17:14 cait I think i am not making sense again.
17:14 cait i just go and qa some ok? :)
17:14 cait *sighs*
17:10 cait we all just missed it and then it sat there
17:10 cait i have no idea who contributed them.. hope not stepping on toes here
17:10 cait we got really nice plugins for cataloguing based on xml - but noone thought that the scripts wouldn't be able to deal with them
17:09 pianohacker cait: What are you talking about?
17:09 gmcharlt easy enough to make it a requirement for accepting a patch that uses jquery.i18n (or whatever)
17:09 cait so better think about those things early
17:09 cait we missed thinking aobu translatability when they went in, and they stayed untranslatable for a pretty long time :(
17:08 cait i just don't want to end up with something like the cataloguing xml plugins :(
17:08 cait i totally believe you when you say that :)
17:08 cait :)
17:08 gmcharlt cait: oh, *that* has got to be pretty easy to write a .pot parser for
17:07 cait gmcharlt: that looks easy to read, butnot sure how to make the properties fieles usable with pootle
17:07 pianohacker trying to get an idea of how strings tie together in an application translated that way is often rather difficult
17:06 pianohacker And I'm trying to keep this pretty modular, but UI code with every single string replaced by LONG_UPPERCASE_CONSTANT is pretty ugly, awkward and unnecessarily indirect IMO
17:06 gmcharlt cait: sure, something like this: https://code.google.com/p/jquery-i18n-properties/
17:05 cait gmcharlt: can you explain that a bit?
17:05 pianohacker true that
17:05 cait gmcharlt: we have an open bug about them not being translatable... i think I'd like to close it thinking about those side effects
17:05 gmcharlt a messagecatalog-like construct might be easier to work with, perhaps
17:04 gmcharlt yeah, for exactly that reason, I'd rather that we not end up having to copy the javascript around during installation
17:03 cait have now...
17:03 cait i think most of them have no moved outside of the language directories even?
17:03 cait pianohacker: one nice thing about not fixing it is, that we don't have to copy the js files for every language
17:02 cait yeah - it might not be even that hard if you know what you are doing.... so that rules out me doing it :)
17:00 pianohacker thanks for the duct-tape though :)
17:00 pianohacker I remember how utterly insane that thing is, but fixing the underlying issue might be a better long-term solution
17:00 pianohacker True, that's something
17:00 cait maybe take a look at that?
17:00 cait Owen used one to make datatables controls translatable
16:59 cait would using an include work?
16:59 pianohacker cait: hmm, okay
16:59 cait i have no idea how complex that really is
16:58 cait you would need to write a script that can successfully parse the js files
16:58 pianohacker cait: I'm working on a pretty complex JavaScript application, and the "no translation of JavaScript strings outside templates" restriction is really bugging me. How hard do you think that would be to fix?
16:55 pianohacker Neal Stephenson!
16:45 eythian that's Neal Stephenson
16:45 eythian no wait
16:45 eythian is that the "A young lady's primer" one?
16:45 cait oh
16:44 gmcharlt time to reread "A Study In Emerald" by Neil Gaiman
16:44 cait that was just a strange comment to come back online to :)
16:42 eythian ¿
16:41 cait ?
16:36 eythian rumour has it there's three arms.
16:31 mtompset Oooo... royal baby is on its way.
16:27 reiveune bye
16:16 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10586: fix CSS styling when printing cart from Firefox <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=04b6b4ae727c8e2c025c75fba3dd59255ee26926>
15:54 gaetan_B bye
15:54 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10578: fix results sorting in staff interface <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0b05d1acb9e5402a85fc39987577a8686c07d27c>
15:49 drojf later
15:49 * drojf has to change libraries
15:49 tcohen i updated the patch eythian, thanks for the input
15:49 drojf mtompset: way after :D
15:49 mtompset will that be before or after the comprehension beer, drojf? ;)
15:49 drojf i remember one had a lot more stuff in it ;)
15:49 eythian it all makes sense if you compare the two files.
15:49 eythian OK :)
15:49 drojf thanks eythian, i'll come back and cry if it does not work ;)
15:48 drojf on a second thought, now it sounds easy
15:48 drojf and some people say ACQ workflows are weird
15:47 eythian if it's a non-perl dep, you put it in control.in and regenerate from control.in, or be lazy and just put it in both of them.
15:46 eythian so if it's a perl dep, you just regenerated from control.in
15:46 mtompset http://imgur.com/gallery/M1KU6MO (a humorous variation on 99 bottles of beer on the wall)
15:46 * drojf needs a comprehension beer
15:46 eythian drojf: no. update-control takes control.in, adds the perl deps to it, and creates control
15:45 eythian tcohen: yeah, it should check that everything that should be running is
15:45 drojf ok, so i 1) add my non-perl dep to control.in 2) use update-control to generate control and then add the perl-dep manually?
15:45 tcohen so service koha-common status should check everything that is set to is running, and alert otherwise?
15:44 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10576: make strings in additem.js accessible to translation <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b7305e4876e6d961e8325155d679b1312975e74d>
15:44 eythian tcohen: yes we do, zebra and optionally sipserver
15:44 drojf lol
15:43 eythian drojf: from control.in
15:43 tcohen we don't have a daemon running btw
15:42 drojf from what is control generated? (if you say from control.in i am completely confused)
15:40 eythian for a non-perl-dep, both.
15:40 eythian for a perl dep: control, however it should be generated with debian/update-control
15:40 drojf argh :D
15:40 eythian drojf: no, one of those was a typo
15:39 drojf so if it is a perl dep it must be in control.in and if not then the same? you sounded like it made a difference at first ;)
15:38 eythian drojf: then it must be in control.in
15:38 drojf ok. and if it is not a perl dep like gnupg?
15:37 eythian assuming it's a perl dep, just control.in, and that should be done by using debain/update-control
15:37 tcohen and apart from that eythian?
15:37 eythian drojf: oh, I actually got that wrong in hindsight.
15:37 drojf eythian: i have to edit debian/control and control.in f i want to add a dependency?
15:37 eythian I don't like removing the commented out status thing. It'd be better to implement it.
15:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10617 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Init script cleanup
15:35 tcohen eythian: would you take a look at bug 10617
15:35 mtompset That's a multiple shift problem. Oops. :)
15:34 mtompset Oops... e-6
15:34 eythian by quite a bit
15:33 eythian there is more than that number of people on the planet.
15:33 eythian err
15:33 mtompset Only 7.5% of the planet?
15:32 mtompset So they are aiming for 39-54k people?
15:32 jcamins Only 39k at $830.
15:31 mtompset So over 50,000 people?
15:27 eythian or $830
15:27 eythian for $600 you get one
15:27 eythian rambutan1: that's not how it works
15:26 rambutan1 obviously they're looking for name-brand corporate contributions. $5 and $10 individual donations won't get the goal
15:25 rambutan1 $32,000,000?
15:23 eythian http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge <-- hmm
15:22 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "What’s happening with Koha 3.14? http://t.co/yxqDGjUWDI #KohaILS"
15:19 rambutan1 I'm late to the party, but Mint w/ Mate is the greatest OS+desktop ever invented (obligatory IMHO)
15:15 eythian good :)
15:15 mtompset That's what I did. :)
15:15 eythian in that case, you chuck the browser file into the torrent directory and let it fix it by replacing the bad bits, it's very quick.
15:14 eythian ah, that's more likely :)
15:14 mtompset Sorry for the ambiguity.
15:14 mtompset No, the torrents are good. My brower downloads weren't.
15:14 eythian if there's errors in it, they discard it.
15:14 eythian s/checksum/hash/
15:14 eythian they checksum each part.
15:13 eythian torrents shouldn't be able to result in corrupted files, in general,.
15:13 mtompset I just installed (micro symbol)torrent the other day on my desktop. I keep getting corrupted ISOs when I download. To think I'm using it for legitimate purposes, given torrents' reputation otherwise.
15:11 mtompset Greetings, eythian jcamins pianohacker nengard tcohen. I think I got everyone I missed before. :)
15:06 mtompset Those Asus EEE's are nice. I'm using my Asus EEE 1015PEM right now. :)
15:06 mtompset druthb: Sounds like some nice tech. :)
15:05 * eythian has never used mint, so is just extrapolating.
15:05 eythian perhaps you can just remove that package and install mint-minimal, or something along those lines.
15:05 mtompset Olivia?
15:05 mtompset I think.
15:05 mtompset ubuntu-based.
15:04 eythian does it have a mint-desktop package, similar to ubuntu?
15:04 druthb The only thing not working is the wireless, but since I've got it on the router, it's a non-issue for me.
15:04 eythian debian or ubuntu based?
15:04 wahanui mint is a debian based one, and is nicer than ubuntu
15:04 eythian mtompset: what mint?
15:04 druthb It runs OpenELEC/XBMC just fine! :)
15:04 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10552: make several sysprefs available to the OPAC login page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=04dd98fa846d4f28edc5811cb90e8a5ba4b6289b>
15:04 nengard that's an idea .... we have an old tower for our media server
15:03 nengard wow
15:03 druthb I still have that Asus, nengard. It's now my media center. :D (with a 3 TB external drive, natch)
15:02 jcamins mtompset: apt-get remove x11?
15:01 mtompset How do you uninstall a desktop and get a distribution to just do command line?
15:01 druthb At that point, I was trying to get Koha running on an Asus EEEpc 900 that I'd bought used on Craigslist, mostly to prove I could do it.
15:01 mtompset I hate desktop.
15:01 mtompset Okay, strange question. I grabbed linux mint.
15:00 mtompset It's a good picture of who you were.
15:00 druthb I have continuity of memory with that being, but it's pretty blurry.
14:59 mtompset That's not a bad picture at all!
14:59 nengard k ... that person isn't ugly ... it's just not you anymore :)
14:59 druthb https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=596758544036&set=t.606277888&type=3&theater
14:58 nengard i don't take ugly pictures :)
14:58 nengard what
14:58 nengard huh
14:58 mtompset ugliest?
14:58 druthb nengard is responsible for the ugliest picture of druthb known to exist.
14:57 mtompset I also name dropped tcohen too. ;)
14:57 druthb That would be me, yes. When I need to be. I'm not Catholic enough to guilt-trip nengard, and she's immune to my machinations anyway; she's known me too long.
14:57 * mtompset pokes, druthb, "Drama Queen!"
14:56 mtompset druthb: My librarian colleague is on a Filipino mailing list in which they are all trying to do Fedora-based installs mostly.
14:56 druthb Just run off and forget about us…. *dramatic sob*
14:55 mtompset tcohen: Then what you wrote is perfectly okay. :)
14:55 druthb Hi, nengard. :P
14:55 druthb bgkreigel and tcohen have taken over that role, but I'll be glad to give 'em tips and encouragement to get 'em started.
14:55 tcohen on 3.12.2, yes
14:55 nengard Tomorrow i'm heading to OSCon where I'll talk up Koha with everyone I meet :)
14:55 nengard hi all... just wanted to pop in an apologize for the recent silence on my part - i've been on the road nearly constantly since June 27th ... pluse we're prepping for a move to Texas here for Bri's new job - I'm still around and haven't forgotten about all of you!
14:55 mtompset Seems fine, tcohen. So, to fix older instances, you need to add that docdir line into your koha-conf.xml for the instance?
14:54 druthb mtompset: Moar Translators! mtompset++
14:54 tcohen is this ok in english: "Debian packages users: About Koha > Timeline was fixed for new instances. If you want it fixed on previously created instances you need to add <docdir>/usr/share/doc/koha-common</docdir> to the instance's koha-conf.xml file, on the <config> section."
14:53 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10197: Add classes to patron info list <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e6a6302757f750582020974f798d2c49f50adcf> / Bug 10604: DBRev 3.13.00.014 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f9d3e02b831381061d2d298b33818ad926a88c07> / Bug 10604: increase width of two columns in the courses table <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3793bfe9e
14:53 mtompset Oh, I name dropped your name to a librarian colleague of mine, druthb, since I don't know how to get involved in the translation of Koha into Tagalog, Illocano, etc.
14:52 druthb We're trying to give weak IRC clients a nervous breakdown.
14:52 mtompset Greetings, druthb rambutan1.
14:52 druthb Hi, mtompset! :D
14:52 rambutan1 안녕 mtompset
14:51 druthb Now I see why Hindi and Arabic typically use bigger font sizes. *squint*
14:51 rambutan1 í•œêµë§
14:51 druthb लिखित à¤à¤¾à¤·à¤¾?
14:51 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
14:51 jcamins In that case, it came through fine.
14:50 rambutan1 si
14:50 druthb Thai, and it looks fine. :)
14:50 jcamins rambutan1: Thai?
14:50 rambutan1 ภาษาเขียน
14:50 druthb And your Arabic came thorough just fine here, jcamins.
14:48 druthb sloppy cut-and-paste, yeah.
14:48 jcamins Or they're just soo small that I can't see them.
14:48 jcamins But you seem to be missing a few letters.
14:48 jcamins I think you were going for السلام عليكم
14:47 jcamins That's too small for me to read.
14:47 * druthb tries to see how many chat clients she can make choke at once.
14:47 kf eythian: :P
14:47 druthb ?
14:47 druthb السلام عليك
14:46 eythian jcamins: it's a short moon language word
14:46 jcamins I guess it's pronounced sssssssssssssooooeeeeeeoooooooeeeeeuuuuuuuueeeeeeeuuuuuuueeeeeeeaaaaaeeeeaaaaaeeee?
14:46 druthb Those look fine to me, kf.
14:46 rambutan1 OK, now that doesn't work, unless that's GE-Arabic mixed
14:46 eythian as it does a conversion at the connection level
14:46 eythian you want xchat->network list->select the network->edit->charset
14:45 * jcamins could read all that.
14:45 kf ßßßööüüää?
14:45 kf ?
14:45 rambutan1 xchat: about
14:45 wahanui that is a good idea.
14:45 eythian where's that?
14:44 rambutan1 Charset: UTF-8 Renderer: Pango
14:44 eythian rambutan1: because xchat uses Latin1/unicode hybrid by default.
14:44 druthb (and it's Motörhead, not Mötörhead. Even they aren't that ostentatious.) :P
14:44 rambutan1 well, everything looks right to me using xchat on openSUSE 12.1 (x86_64)
14:43 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: bug 7143: add latest batch of committers <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ee224415b7c8b5e31f9c052e1c14a143ab137898> / Bug 7143 - Updating history and about page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=224d878cf76813c5f8f229031ef916f1f73fd975>
14:43 eythian it probably ended up sending as latin1 or something.
14:43 druthb eythian: I saw m?t?rhead, not mötörhead
14:42 eythian mötörhead has left the building.
14:41 * druthb is way möre metal than yoü.
14:41 eythian *k
14:41 eythian jcamins: like "luuuuu*breath*uuuuul"
14:41 druthb :P
14:40 jcamins I mean, they look wrong because how the heck do you pronounced "löök" but I see the umlauts.
14:40 jcamins druthb: nope.
14:40 druthb jcamins: dö my ö letters löök wröng?
14:40 eythian +using
14:40 eythian your client probable isn't understanding latin that some people might be
14:40 jcamins Hrm. I just have it set to UTF-8.
14:39 eythian that's what I'm using
14:39 eythian Tekenset: IRC (Latin/Unicode Hybrid)
14:39 jcamins Huh. I guess my terminal has the wrong settings.
14:39 eythian all the accents/acutes look correct to me
14:38 eythian I was answering rambutan1
14:38 eythian jcamins: oh
14:38 eythian e-accent
14:38 jcamins What do you see when I type "é"?
14:38 eythian compose-e-'
14:38 rambutan1 En`guard´?
14:38 eythian é
14:38 eythian the regular accent.
14:37 jcamins eythian: oh, what accent is everyone else using?
14:37 wahanui touché
14:37 rambutan1 touché?
14:37 wahanui OK, rambutan1.
14:37 rambutan1 wahanui: touché is <reply>touché
14:36 wahanui rambutan1: i'm not following you...
14:36 rambutan1 wahanui: touché os <reply>touché
14:36 eythian it is a different word
14:36 jcamins I wonder why everyone else's acutes show up as question marks for me.
14:36 jcamins touché?
14:36 * tcohen noticed :-P
14:36 rambutan1 doesn't respond to that
14:36 rambutan1 touché?
14:36 * eythian continues the trend of being precise :)
14:36 wahanui touché
14:36 rambutan1 touche?
14:35 wahanui OK, eythian.
14:35 eythian wahanui: touche is <reply>touché
14:34 tcohen touche
14:34 eythian tcohen: you just need to describe things like a programmer :)
14:33 eythian it just means you have a SIPconfig.xml in /etc/koha/sites/eco
14:33 tcohen i'm sorry for any idiomatic confusion
14:33 eythian OK, so it doesn't do nothing then, that makes more sense :)
14:33 pastebot "tcohen" at 172.16.248.213 pasted "root@koha-dev:~# service koha-" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/130
14:32 eythian Does it start a SIP daemon? Does it say the name of the instance? Does it freeze the computer up? Does the init script terminate, does it keep loading zebra daemons like it should?
14:31 eythian tcohen: that's not an answer. What do you mean when you say "does nothing"?
14:31 tcohen i don't have SIP configured but the koha-common init script advertises that stuff related to SIP is being started
14:31 eythian who would be awake at this time of day?
14:31 slef any koha list admins awake?
14:30 eythian unless it immediately reaches maximum entropy, I suppose.
14:30 eythian there's no such thing as "does nothing" :)
14:29 eythian can you clarify?
14:29 eythian does nothing?
14:29 tcohen It just says "Starting SIP server for instance... " and does nothing
14:28 tcohen is not a problem, it doesnt fail
14:28 kf but he is already gone, he didn't mention any problems
14:27 kf hm my coworker build packages from 3.12.1 + 4 patches or so from us
14:27 kf maybe drojf has
14:27 tcohen is it true that there are SIP-related messages or it is just me?
14:27 kf not recently i have to confess
14:27 tcohen kf, have u done a clean packages install recently?
14:26 tcohen ;)
14:26 kf tcohen: but gives you time to pick 8911 if you want to :)
14:23 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8911: make sure history.txt gets installed where history.txt can see it <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0fe3d053ffe0adc4fda4fdb660ed93203ecc02d8>
14:23 tcohen yeap, he seems to be torturing some students on an exam
14:23 kf tcohen: need bgkriegel for that?
14:22 tcohen i want that pull request for the translation stuff to release!
14:22 * tcohen is getting anxious
14:03 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10592: fix display of favicon <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6405f26524de79f98139b6c076543781925caaca> / Bug 10592: fix MARC21 006/008 cataloging plugins <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9eb13aa3cdd47738d42615d6d5dc03b84bf9194c>
14:01 vfernandes it's possible to disable fast cataloguing?
14:01 vfernandes it sure looks :P
13:59 kf vfernandes: looks nice :)
13:57 kf vfernandes: sorry, I didn't take a closer look really
13:51 vfernandes by the way what you think about the design?
13:47 vfernandes thanks kf and eythian :D
13:43 kf vfernandes: we did - you can take a look at the logs from earlier
13:42 wahanui logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/
13:42 kf logs?
13:42 vfernandes opacuserjs isn't being loaded in portuguese translation
13:42 vfernandes problem with 3.12 and javascript
13:41 vfernandes sorry my net gone and I didn't saw if anyone asked my question
13:37 banana whoami
12:48 kf druthb!
12:48 * druthb wriggles happily
12:47 druthb kf!
12:46 kf good morning tcohen :)
12:46 tcohen good morning btw kf
12:44 kf in my experience
12:44 kf tcohen: it's a bit tricky, but for some things it works fine
12:44 tcohen that's interesting kf, i'll test it too :-D
12:44 kf hasdf: also you can use the export to libre office and edit them in a spreadsheet
12:43 kf hasdf: it's a lot safer
12:43 kf hasdf: and don't delete tags/fields, but hide them
12:39 hasdf thanks
12:36 tcohen use the fast cataloguing framework as your basis
12:36 hasdf let me rephrase my question: what is the fastest way to create a new MARC framework with just a few fields?
12:35 tcohen__ morning #koha
12:34 slef hi - any koha list admins here? Or going to be here in 30mins?
12:33 rambutan /part
12:32 hasdf I really just need a framework with 10-20 fields
12:31 hasdf in MARC Frameworks: do I really have to delete each tag / do I really need to import the default framework?
12:26 christophe_c hello kf ;-)
12:26 kf hi christophe_c
12:25 christophe_c hello #koha
12:14 kf it's always a good rule :) firebug is really helpful for things like that
12:14 eythian rule of thumb is that if JS isn't working on a translation, look for JS errors that have crept in.
12:09 kf heh
12:09 eythian only just :)
12:09 kf eythian: beat you ;)
12:09 eythian var MSG_ADD_TAG_FAILED_NOTE = _("Nota: apenas pode adicionar "tag" a um item com um dado termo uma vez. Aceda a 'As minhas Tags' para ver as "tags" existentes.");
12:09 kf ("Nota: apenas pode adicionar "tag" a um item com um dado termo uma vez...
12:09 kf you are using "" in a translated string:
12:09 kf use firebug and you will see it
12:09 kf vfernandes: It's a translation problem
12:08 eythian have you checked to see if there are javascript errors?
12:07 vfernandes could be something bad translated?
12:07 vfernandes any idea why?
12:05 vfernandes in English there javascript works fine (alert shown), in Portugues not....
12:05 vfernandes check this - http://catalogo.biblioteca.cm-pontedelima.pt/
12:04 vfernandes there is any bug related with koha 3.10 and javascript not working in other languages translated?
12:04 vfernandes hi guys
11:51 kf i was at lunch!
11:50 kf magnus_away: ?
11:18 magnuse have fun, #koha! see y'all in a week
11:09 magnuse ;-)
11:09 magnuse bah
11:09 magnuse ;-=
11:09 magnuse gah, where is kf when you need her?
10:40 kf well bbl :)
10:40 kf bye all :)
10:40 kf lunch time
10:37 eythian heh
10:37 kf eythian++ for being impatient but helpful ;)
10:35 kf and i figured out the colors :)
10:35 kf the software was not important for the git bash prompt thing :)
10:34 eythian you haven't even mentioned the software you're using, usually it's only the version that people have to ask for :)
10:33 kf i think i will continue playing with this tomorrow
10:33 kf i would give you the answer if I knew it :)
10:33 eythian you're not providing enough information for people to answer your questions.
10:32 kf ?
10:32 eythian about your prompt and your terminal and stuff
10:32 wahanui which one is probably that? The fixed navbar?
10:32 kf which one?
10:32 kf i do? :(
10:31 eythian you're producing bad bug reports, kf ;)
10:31 eythian typically it's done by right-click, but I don't know what terminal you're running.
10:30 kf yeah, maybe not today :)
10:26 eythian you change it in the options for your terminal I guess
10:26 eythian oh OK
10:26 kf debian
10:25 eythian Ubuntu tends to do a dark purple thing by default
10:25 eythian what are you using?
10:25 kf where can i switch that?
10:25 kf it came by default
10:24 eythian what kind of weirdo are you?
10:24 eythian who has a white terminal anyway?
10:24 kf apart fromt he fact the yellow on white is a terrible combination that one seems to be working fine
10:23 kf ok
10:22 kf the problem is probably that i did modify the hting last time...
10:22 eythian you could probably modify the one above to do exactly what you wanted, and learn bash at the same time :)
10:21 kf but thank you for giving me some input :)
10:19 kf i know :)
10:19 eythian No one can help you there, as we don't know what you had :)
10:19 kf eythian: still hoping to find the one i used before kind of
10:19 eythian the one I pointed to does that too.
10:18 bibliwho google sth like this? git bash clean "branch state"
10:15 kf thx :) i will keep looking
10:14 eythian http://mediadoneright.com/content/ultimate-git-ps1-bash-prompt <-- this one does
10:13 kf but the nice thing was tht it also showed when you had uncommitted changes etc.
10:13 kf most show just the branch
10:13 kf yeah i find lots... but not the one i had. very annoying
10:13 eythian https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=bash+prompt+git&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&redir_esc=&ei=kAXtUae8KcOn0AXi7ICIDg&hl=nl&sei=qwXtUb6_BaXT0QXdoICIDg&gbv=2
10:12 kf I'd like to have it back, but my googling skills fail me
10:11 kf someone a hint for me? I had this nice git bash thing on my old vm where it shows you the branch you are on, if it's clean or not etc.
10:11 kf hm ok
10:10 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Brighton, Brighton, United Kingdom is 26.1°C (11:00 AM BST on July 22, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
10:10 eythian @wunder bn1 1nb
10:03 eythian England is just as bad really
10:03 kf ?
10:02 kf will the old buildings keep you from visitingß
10:01 eythian well it's where most of it was, who knows what's happened since then?
10:01 kf fallen off the floor?
10:00 eythian wizzyrea: did you get a chance to make sure that all my stuff hadn't fallen off the floor?
09:44 eythian snobby earthquakes
09:43 drojf nah, 3.6 only smashes cheap wine or beer
09:42 eythian http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8948963/3750-cognac-smashed-in-quake <-- a 3.6 wouldn't do this
09:41 drojf st. gallen, 3.6
09:40 drojf kf: there was an earthquake at bodensee i think
09:35 kf yes... yes we do
09:35 eythian kf: you do have a lot of old buildings :)
09:35 eythian whenever I have cause to think about the fact I'm surrounded by tall, brittle stone buildings held together by little more than the assumption acceleration is always downwards, yes :)
09:35 kf not sure how bad it would be, guess more modern buildings probably better than older ones
09:34 kf still?
09:34 eythian (the buildings, that is)
09:34 kf probably.
09:34 eythian they terrify me
09:34 eythian your buildings would all collapse
09:34 kf wizzyrea: very glad we don't have earthquakes here
09:31 kf wizzyrea: getting usedto it yet? :)
09:31 eythian ah right
09:31 wizzyrea the big one was bumpy, these little ones are wobbly
09:31 wizzyrea it's wobbly
09:30 eythian looks bumpy
09:30 wizzyrea tomorrow may be an adventure.
09:29 wizzyrea http://geonet.org.nz/quakes/region/wellington/felt exciting day. though we didnt feel these so strongly tho
09:25 eythian hi
09:25 wizzyrea hi eythian
09:05 mtj but, very nice to be home too
09:05 mtj yeah, was great :)
09:04 mtj afaict, nothing looks too broken at my place
09:04 kf well, hope it was
09:04 kf nice :)
09:03 mtj hmm, just got back from a weekend in the south island
08:49 drojf i win :(
08:49 huginn` kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 24.8°C (10:45 AM CEST on July 22, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
08:49 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:48 wizzyrea not bad really
08:48 huginn` wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (8:00 PM NZST on July 22, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
08:48 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn
08:45 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Alter Schlachthof, Berlin, Germany is 27.1°C (10:45 AM CEST on July 22, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
08:45 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
08:09 kf but the suggestions are still there
08:09 kf uploaded new files
08:09 kf hm
08:04 kf and it's still early morning!
08:04 kf just saying i don#t really know and am a bit puzzled too :)
08:04 kf hehe
08:04 drojf probably? you are speculating about the speculation?
08:02 kf probably too early to speculate
08:02 drojf an automatic backup when a file is re-uploaded would be nice too
08:02 kf not sure... I will ask bgkriegel to take a look
08:02 drojf :(
08:01 kf I know that the file with permissions has been giving trouble before i
08:01 kf it should be prevented by permissions, but they don't show right for me in pootle right now
08:00 kf i will write bernardo later
08:00 kf the permission system seems borked somehow
08:00 kf i have no idea actually :(
08:00 drojf why can somebody just go and upload files there?
08:00 kf but i thought as we haven't done much since last 3.10.x we jump back there
07:59 kf i am not sure which option he selected - lots of suggestions
07:59 kf drojf: yep
07:59 drojf kf: what happened? someone uploaded wrong files?
07:58 drojf hi matts, kf, wizzyrea
07:57 * kf waves back at wizzyrea :)
07:57 kf drojf: fixing 3.10 po files right now
07:57 * wizzyrea waves
07:57 kf morning drojf and matts :)
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