IRC log for #koha, 2013-07-17

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00:40 dcook morning #koha
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01:09 dcook MARC--
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01:16 druthb @karma MARC
01:16 huginn` druthb: Karma for "MARC" has been increased 1 time and decreased 25 times for a total karma of -24.
01:16 druthb awr!
01:17 dcook The difference between the 730 and the 740 is weird...
01:17 * dcook checks to see if the 740 is actually obsolete
01:18 dcook Nope...doesn't look like it
01:18 dcook 730 is for an added entry title (with an authority)
01:18 dcook 740 is an added entry title (without an authority)
01:18 dcook O_o
01:18 druthb the mind of a cataloger is a scary place.
01:18 dcook No doubt about it
01:19 dcook Although I'm not sure many cataloguers understand these distinctions either
01:19 dcook Well, maybe these ones
01:19 dcook But I remember during one of my first cataloguing classes...my instructor mentioned "analytics" and I didn't really understand what she meant until recently
01:19 dcook Today seems more enlightening...in a terrifying way
01:21 dcook Actually...
01:21 dcook AACR2--
01:21 dcook @karm AACR2
01:21 huginn` dcook: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
01:21 dcook @karma AACR2
01:21 huginn` dcook: Karma for "AACR2" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1.
01:21 dcook :o
01:22 druthb AACR2--
01:29 wizzyrea dcook you've seen the wiki page for koha analytics eh?
01:30 wizzyrea it's SO helpful.
01:30 wizzyrea analytics?
01:30 wahanui the 773$w field contains the value of the 001 field of the parent record. Also, MARC sucks.
01:30 wizzyrea kek.
01:30 dcook hehe
01:30 dcook Yeah, I've read it, but I don't think it's 100% correct
01:31 dcook In fact, the more I read, the more I think that "analytics" is a subject about which there are conflicting views
01:31 wizzyrea it's a library, they're full of mad schemes
01:31 dcook Yep :)
01:34 dcook Looking at changing the word "Analytics" on the catalogue, and trying to think of the best label...
01:34 dcook Because strictly speaking "Articles" wouldn't be a good label
01:34 dcook Because you can have analytics for things other than articles
01:35 dcook But "Analytics" is a rather esoteric term to use..
01:37 dcook Analytics also present an odd situation for lending...
01:38 dcook While you might circulate the journal volume
01:38 dcook You can't really circulate a journal article (except via photocopy or scan)
01:43 dcook "Constituents" is pretty esoteric as well..
01:44 jcamins dcook: actually, the distinction between 730 and 740 isn't that weird, if you think about it.
01:45 jcamins 740 is the equivalent of a 246 where it's not just an added title.
01:45 jcamins i.e. a title added entry rather than additional title would go in a 740 instead of a 246.
01:45 dcook How is 740 an equivalent of 246?
01:45 wizzyrea dcook I think what you are wanting is the thing that tracks requests for articles, but doesn't have to circulate them.
01:45 dcook wizzyrea: Perhaps?
01:46 dcook jcamins: Wouldn't that be a 730?
01:46 dcook Depending on if it were a uniform title
01:46 dcook (or if there were an authority record present...not entirely sure on that distinction)
01:46 jcamins dcook: no, 730 is for uniform titles, which are for things that *can be cataloged separately*.
01:46 dcook "Uniform title, a related or an analytical title that is controlled by an authority file or list, used as an added entry."
01:47 dcook That's from the 730
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01:47 dcook Here's the 740: "Added entries for related or analytical titles that are not controlled through an authority file or list. (If related or analytical titles are controlled by an authority file, use field 730 (Added entry - uniform title))."
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01:47 dcook Seems like the whole 440/490 thing
01:47 jcamins Very similar, yes.
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01:48 dcook I'm a bit over the 730/740 at the moment anyway
01:48 dcook At the moment, I'm thinking about 773/774 pairings...
01:48 jcamins 774 is rarely used, alas.
01:48 dcook And the use of 700-750(?) added entries for analytics
01:49 * dcook is looking at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ic_Record_support as we speak
01:50 dcook "jcamins: We have one journal with 4176+ analytics"
01:50 dcook Good point
01:50 dcook I hadn't thought of it like that..
01:50 dcook You wouldn't have a bib for each serial volume...just for the serial title
01:50 jcamins You know that RFC was never developed, right?
01:50 dcook Right, just looking at all the information I can get on "analytics"
01:51 dcook Partially for labelling purposes, and partially just for comprehension
01:51 jcamins That's not a great place to look for comprehension.
01:53 dcook Fair enough, but at least it's a conversation
01:53 jcamins Yeah, and unfortunately it's probably the best you're going to get.
01:53 jcamins Well...
01:53 jcamins You saw my talk, eh?
01:54 dcook Mmm, ish
01:54 dcook Since it's for a version of Koha beyond 3.8.0, it didn't meet my immediate needs
01:54 jcamins It was called Analytic records and Koha.
01:54 dcook The one from Kohacon12?
01:54 dcook I can be a bit ADD with videos as well ;)
01:54 jcamins Yeah.
01:54 jcamins It couldn't have been about a version post-3.8.
01:55 jcamins It was given shortly after the release of 3.8, wasn't it?
01:56 dcook Hmm
01:56 dcook I think it talked about 3 workflows, but I'm not sure all are available to me at the moment
01:56 dcook Plus, at the moment, I'm more interested in knowing what is "supposed" to occur rather than what "does" occur
01:57 jcamins All should be available.
01:57 jcamins That was definitely about 3.8.
01:57 dcook Hmm, perhaps I'll have to watch the video again sometime
01:57 dcook Do you have the link handy?
01:57 jcamins Actually I do.
01:57 jcamins http://archive.org/details/Koh[…]ticRecordsAndKoha
01:58 dcook Whoa...kf's catalogue does sound rather well linked
01:58 jcamins Please disregard the funny hair.
01:58 jcamins Yeah, I'm so jealous of kf's analytics.
01:58 jcamins And the authority records.
01:58 jcamins Well, other than the bizarreness of the way they decided to encode the added data.
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02:08 dcook I think I understood while watching the video...but now I'm a bit back to square one
02:08 dcook 1) Catalogue by hand using the 773
02:09 dcook 2) EasyAnalyticalRecords, which creates a link next to the item record where you can link to other records?
02:09 dcook 3) ...
02:09 dcook A link/button that adds a child record?
02:09 jcamins Right, right, and "enhanced" analytics that pre-populates 773s in new records.
02:09 jcamins Exactly.
02:10 dcook Although you need to have EasyAnalyticalRecords and UseControlNo turned on for #3?
02:10 jcamins No, EasyAnalyticalRecords has to be turned off.
02:10 jcamins UseControlNo must be on, though.
02:12 dcook Interesting...thanks for the info :)
02:12 jcamins You're welcome.
02:14 dcook Hmm, EasyAnalyticalRecords is a neat idea.
02:15 jcamins It is.
02:15 jcamins It's not as elegant as enhanced analytics.
02:16 jcamins But it's very practical.
02:18 dcook I haven't seen it implemented, but it sounds very practical. Provided that you continue to use Koha.
02:19 dcook If you did want to share records or use another system some day, it seems like you'd be in trouble.
02:19 dcook You mentioned that 774s are rare...
02:19 jcamins Yes, definitely.
02:20 jcamins To both those observations.
02:20 dcook I suppose I'm still a bit confused as to the difference of added entries vs linking entries in the context of analytics
02:20 dcook The added entries explicitly say that they are to be used for analytic entries
02:21 dcook Yet, they do not in themselves link to those constituent records..
02:21 jcamins Added entries are for collocation, not connection.
02:21 jcamins Linking entries are for connection but probably not collocation.
02:22 dcook It seems silly to me to have separate entries in that case
02:22 dcook Why not have one entry that does both?
02:22 jcamins Because you don't usually want both.
02:23 dcook Mmm, I suppose not.
02:23 jcamins Actually, looking at the way things are configured, linking entries are used for both.
02:23 dcook Wait...sometimes, I think you would
02:24 dcook jcamins: You mean in terms of the 773 (and possibly 787)?
02:25 jcamins Yes.
02:25 jcamins I don't think we handle 787 now.
02:25 dcook I added that one in recently but haven't sent in a patch yet
02:25 dcook It seems fairly similar to the 773 but with a different constant
02:25 dcook And I think perhaps a couple different subfields
02:25 jcamins Yup.
02:26 dcook I suppose a lot of added entries wouldn't be useful for linking
02:26 dcook With the exception of the 730 and 740
02:26 dcook But then since there are other types of linking relationships...maybe it does make sense to have another set for linking
02:28 dcook I imagine that 730 and 740s must be fairly rare as well
02:28 dcook Perhaps more rare for serials than monographs
02:29 dcook Aha!
02:30 dcook LoC gives an example where a record has a 730 and a 787...http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd730.html
02:30 dcook jcamins: I think I see now what you meant about collocation and connection. You're not always going to have separate records...but you might always want an added entry (unless you have a lot of  added entries(
02:31 * dcook feels a bit like he's levelled up his MARC21 knowledge
02:31 jcamins Exactly.
02:31 jcamins I also use 730 for bound-withs.
02:32 jcamins (in instances where they're related)
02:32 dcook Yeah, I was reading a bit about that as well. That makes sense.
02:32 dcook Mmm, authority control.
02:32 jcamins Because the records aren't actually *linked* in a way appropriate for 76x-78x, but you'd like them collocated.
02:33 dcook Well, that's something I wasn't entirely clear on.
02:33 dcook Why aren't they linked in a way appropriate for 76x-78x?
02:34 jcamins There is no bibliographic relationship.
02:34 jcamins It is an accident of collocation.
02:36 dcook Hmm.
02:37 dcook But how is that really any different than a serial?
02:37 dcook Say you have an item with a collective title of essays
02:37 dcook I suppose it would be silly to reproduce a lot of the bibliographic information in multiple records when all you want is another title..
02:38 jcamins Those are analytics.
02:38 dcook In the context of a bound-with, I'm fairly certain that the 730 would also be used as an analytic
02:38 jcamins Unless you mean from article to article, in which case you'd use 730/740.
02:38 dcook At least as LoC/MARC21 define it
02:38 dcook O_o
02:39 dcook article to article?
02:39 dcook Mm, I think I see what you're saying
02:39 dcook Wait, no I don't, lol
02:40 jcamins So, let's say we have an anthology that was analyzed.
02:40 dcook I can understand "Book" -> "Chapter" as an analytic. But wouldn't "Book" -> "Work 1" also be an analytic?
02:40 dcook k
02:40 jcamins The anthology has several analytics. Articles 1, 2, 3, and 4.
02:42 jcamins That's with 773.
02:42 jcamins The articles can be linked to the anthology with 774s.
02:42 jcamins However, the articles do not have any particular bibliographic relationship to each other.
02:43 jcamins But you might want to collocate them anyway.
02:43 jcamins So you add 730s.
02:44 dcook I'm with you so far.
02:44 jcamins That's about it, actually.
02:45 jcamins But 787 doesn't make sense.
02:45 dcook Probably not in this case.
02:46 dcook I'm a bit confused by your use of the term anthology.
02:46 dcook What you described seems like the regular process for a journal -> article relationship
02:46 jcamins Yes.
02:47 jcamins The reason I used anthology instead of journal is that you'd never link articles in a journal.
02:47 dcook And I was thinking "anthology -> essays/stories/works" would be the same
02:47 jcamins Yes.
02:47 dcook O_o
02:47 jcamins Think about it...
02:47 jcamins you might have 175 volumes of a journal.
02:47 jcamins Do you *really* want every article collocated with every article in each of those 175 volumes?
02:48 dcook You're not saying the same thing though
02:48 dcook You probably wouldn't want them collocated
02:48 dcook But you would want them linked
02:48 dcook Mmm, but I see what you mean
02:48 jcamins Only via the parent journal.
02:48 dcook Right
02:48 dcook Hence, the reason for anthology when describing the process of collocation and connection
02:48 dcook Ok, fair enough.
02:49 jcamins Yup.
02:49 dcook But that takes us back to the bound-with scenario.
02:49 jcamins The bound-with doesn't have a volume record.
02:49 jcamins Just articles.
02:49 dcook O_o
02:50 dcook I'm wondering if we have different ideas about what a bound-with is?
02:50 jcamins At least, that's the normal practice.
02:50 dcook I'm fairly new to the term, admittedly.
02:50 jcamins Possibly.
02:50 dcook You have a book with or without a collective title.
02:50 dcook Within that book, you have several related or unrelated works
02:50 jcamins Right.
02:51 jcamins That were published completely independently and later combined into a single binding.
02:51 dcook Possibly
02:51 dcook I read about a case where that wasn't necessarily the situation
02:51 dcook But anyway
02:51 jcamins Oh?
02:51 dcook The first work had been published before
02:51 wizzyrea a case you have to deal with?
02:51 dcook But the second was published for the first time in the book with the reprint of the first
02:51 dcook wizzyrea: Not really.
02:52 dcook wizzyrea: But maybe one day.
02:52 jcamins That wouldn't usually be called a "bound-with."
02:53 dcook What would it be called?
02:53 jcamins I don't think there is a term.
02:53 wizzyrea sounds like a remote edge case
02:53 dcook Well, regardless of that, back to both being published independently and later combined into a single binding.
02:53 jcamins You'd just include a note "published with a reprint of work 1, pp. 1-100."
02:54 jcamins (and there would be two records)
02:54 dcook Perhaps I use the word "reprint" incorrectly
02:54 dcook Actually, almost certainly
02:54 dcook Well, perhaps not certainly
02:54 jcamins Reissue?
02:54 * dcook shrugs
02:55 * jcamins tries to think of other possibilities.
02:55 * dcook tries to find the example
02:55 dcook http://www.tulane.edu/~techserv/addedentries.html
02:56 dcook Oh wait...I'm silly
02:56 dcook Unless this isn't the example I'm thinking of
02:56 dcook In this case, they both were published before...just the 2nd one had a different title
02:57 dcook A better link: http://www.tulane.edu/~techser[…]dentries.html#eg2
02:57 jcamins There are no analytics at all there.
02:57 jcamins That's a single record.
02:57 jcamins So there's no need for linking, just collocation.
02:58 dcook According to MARC21, that 700 and 740 are analytical entries
02:59 dcook They're added entries rather than linked entries...
02:59 jcamins Right, but not analytics.
02:59 wizzyrea gu4d4lc4n4l
02:59 dcook I haven't seen the term "analytics" used anywhere in MARC21 except in terms of "analytical entries"
02:59 jcamins wizzyrea: ?
02:59 wizzyrea yea neat.
02:59 dcook wizzyrea: That doesn't look like Greek :p
02:59 wizzyrea it's not
03:00 wizzyrea it's in the solomon islands :)
03:00 jcamins dcook: it's not, aren't you trying to figure out what "analytics" means?
03:00 dcook Not exactly
03:00 wizzyrea plus that's what marc looks like to me most days.
03:00 jcamins dcook: oh, I thought that's what you were trying to figure out...
03:00 dcook jcamins: Rather, I want to know why you would link articles in a journal via 773 but not works in a collected work l
03:01 jcamins I would use 773 in both cases.
03:01 dcook ...
03:01 dcook This whole time, I thought you were saying that you wouldn't
03:01 jcamins No, I would.
03:01 dcook Just a moment ago, you said "...there's no need for linking, just collocation"
03:01 jcamins I thought you were asking about why I would or would not use 730.
03:02 dcook Oh no, I can understand why you'd use a 730 for a collected work but not a journal
03:02 dcook Being mainly the number of 730s for a journal would be insane
03:03 jcamins Right.
03:03 jcamins And the reason you don't need linking is there's nothing to link to.
03:03 jcamins In that particular example.
03:03 dcook When would there be though?
03:03 dcook If they hadn't used 730s?
03:04 jcamins If they had more than one record. :P
03:04 dcook It seems to me that there's objectively no way to know if there is or is not more than one record in this instance :p
03:04 jcamins Sure there is.
03:05 jcamins There's a 505, 740, and no 773.
03:05 dcook Ok, but there could be
03:06 jcamins Yeah, and if they'd decided to go that way, they'd use linking fields, and 730s in the two child records.
03:06 dcook 730s in the child records?
03:06 jcamins Right.
03:06 jcamins If you want them collocated.
03:07 dcook Ack, I tripped up a moment ago
03:07 dcook That was the record for the collective works
03:07 dcook So there wouldn't be a 773, because the 773 is only in the child record
03:07 dcook Pointing back to the parent
03:07 dcook or host
03:09 jcamins But based on the 240, this is a record for the first child.
03:09 jcamins Which is why the presence of the 505 tells me that there's no other record.
03:09 jcamins Remember, this is all cataloger choice.
03:10 dcook That doesn't really make sense though.
03:10 dcook As the example says, " This edition consists of a collection of two separate works by the same author (cf. AACR2/LCRI 25.7), listed in a 505 contents note."
03:10 jcamins Why not?
03:10 dcook I take that to mean that this record is for the parent record or the collection
03:11 dcook The 240 is...a bit confusing
03:11 dcook But I figure that means the authorized title of the collective work happens to the be the same as the first work
03:11 jcamins The 240 makes sense because there are no analytic records.
03:11 jcamins Just the one.
03:12 dcook Mm, still not following.
03:12 jcamins It's a bit weird, but if you think about it, it does actually make sense.
03:12 dcook The parent record will never have a pointer to the child record, unless it has a 774, no?
03:12 * jcamins is too tired to think of another example of this offhand.
03:12 jcamins Right.
03:12 dcook Fair enough. I have been going pretty hard at you :p
03:12 dcook It makes sense to me insofar as it seems a bit purposeless to have another record
03:13 dcook So long as you index both titles, your user will find the record
03:13 dcook As a bibliographic unit, it probably should have just one record
03:14 dcook But by that same token, a serial should probably have a top level bib record for the work overall, then volume-level records with 730s for the individual articles
03:14 jcamins Only if there are independent titles.
03:15 dcook As in unbound titles?
03:15 jcamins Like, if each volume has its own title.
03:15 jcamins For example...
03:16 dcook Mmm, I follow
03:16 jcamins Vol. 1 of The Slavicist has the title "Slavic Librarianship."
03:16 dcook I suppose having records for individual articles allows you to do more with 6XX fields as well
03:16 jcamins Vol. 2 has the title "Libraries in Poland."
03:16 jcamins Then there would be three levels of records.
03:16 jcamins Serial, volume, article.
03:17 dcook From a search and circulation point of view, that could still make sense with the same title
03:17 dcook Actually, we've talked a bit about that with "kits"
03:18 dcook Having a container record (volume-equivalent) and then individual records for pieces
03:18 dcook You should be able to find each piece on its own...
03:18 jcamins Yes, that would make sense.
03:18 dcook But you need to know that's part of a specific kit...and that that specific kit is tied to a particular record
03:19 dcook So you check out the kit (or volume), and all the constituents records become unavailable
03:19 dcook contituent items even
03:19 jcamins That's what EasyAnalytics is for.
03:19 dcook Right, but that's not standards based
03:19 dcook There should be a standard for it
03:20 jcamins There should be.
03:20 dcook I suppose you could do it with marc21
03:20 dcook But it would be a lot of work as well
03:20 jcamins Let's make four new standards for it, so that we can all agree. :P
03:20 dcook hehe
03:20 dcook That's the crux of the whole thing.
03:21 dcook Even with a standard, it's not going to be implemented the same universally.
03:21 dcook As you said, it's all the cataloguers choice
03:21 dcook And better to make a error consistently than to sometimes follow a standard and sometimes not
03:21 jcamins Yup.
03:22 dcook Now that I think about it, in the case of the label for "Show analytics"
03:22 dcook We probably could go for "Show articles" or something like that
03:22 dcook Because that is only shown if the host record has a fixed field of "s - serial"
03:22 jcamins Or collection.
03:22 jcamins Or set, whichever it is.
03:22 dcook That might be new
03:23 jcamins Really? Maybe.
03:23 dcook My XSLT (from 3.8.0) just says s - serial
03:23 dcook Oh wait...
03:23 dcook Volumes of sets and traced series show as "Show volumes"
03:24 jcamins Oh, that may be what I was thinking of.
03:24 dcook Leader19 will show "Show: " followed by a link of some kind..
03:27 * dcook shrugs
03:27 dcook Thanks for the stimulating conversation, jcamins :)
03:36 jcamins My pleasure.
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04:15 dcook How do people handle electronic resources?
04:15 dcook I would think that you would have a bibliographic record for an electronic resource, use as many 856s as needed, and have 0 item records
04:15 wizzyrea now that you can have URL's per item, it might make sense to have items
04:15 dcook That scenario does seem fairly common
04:15 dcook Although I'm not sure that I understand it
04:15 wizzyrea the display of the 856's might be... unruly.
04:16 dcook Hmm, I suppose
04:16 wizzyrea if you had one bibliographic record, with one resource associated
04:16 dcook We wrote a feature a while ago that merged the 856 and 952 URLs anyway..
04:16 wizzyrea I'd do it in the 856
04:16 wizzyrea if you had more than one, I'd do it with urls in the items
04:16 dcook So if you have an item with a URL, do you just mark it as not for loan?
04:16 wizzyrea and use the item note to differentiate them
04:17 wizzyrea you make a not for loan type of "electronic resource"
04:17 wizzyrea or something like that
04:17 wizzyrea so essentially, yes
04:17 dcook Yeah, that seems to be the only way I've been able to figure
04:17 dcook Then possibly another label than "Available for reference"
04:18 jcamins I prefer 856s because they will all show up in the results.
04:18 dcook "Copies available electronically" perhaps
04:18 wizzyrea you can use "use restrictions" for that
04:18 * dcook agrees with jcamins
04:18 wizzyrea just create one
04:18 dcook Oh?
04:18 dcook "use restrictions"?
04:18 jcamins You can create another option for not for loan.
04:18 jcamins I do that a lot.
04:18 wizzyrea right, I'm saying you'd use both
04:18 wizzyrea a not for loan type of "electronic"
04:18 jcamins Ohhh, got it.
04:18 wizzyrea and a use restriction (it doesn't mean anything anyway)
04:19 wizzyrea "Avaliable for reference
04:19 wizzyrea or whatever
04:19 jcamins That makes sense.
04:19 wizzyrea then you can have
04:19 wizzyrea Electronic item - in library use only
04:19 wizzyrea electronic item - web accessible
04:19 wizzyrea and so on
04:20 dcook In the search results?
04:20 wizzyrea use restrictions can be used to describe how things are NOT restricted, as well as how they *are*
04:20 jcamins wizzyrea: agreed, that makes sense.
04:20 wizzyrea use restrictions are item only
04:20 wizzyrea and not-for-loan
04:21 wizzyrea so that's possibly a case against 856
04:21 wizzyrea truly? I'd probably add the 856 *and* the item.
04:21 wizzyrea yea, it's dupicated but... the item display can be so nice for that.
04:21 wizzyrea or I guess you can just type your use restriction into the link text
04:21 wizzyrea should you have one
04:22 wizzyrea the answer you seek, there's not a definitive one
04:22 wizzyrea :P
04:22 wizzyrea whichever display you like better
04:22 wizzyrea is the one you should use
04:24 dcook Well, it's not necessarily up to me in the end :p
04:24 dcook So the "use restriction" shows at the item-detail level..
04:26 dcook If you don't allow holds on electronic item types, then you don't need to worry about hold...and "available" looks fine on the detail page (plus using that "use restriction" could be handy)
04:28 dcook Maybe the key is to add in some "use restriction" handling in XSLT.pm
04:28 dcook for things like "electronic" and "photocopy"
04:28 wizzyrea could do, could do
04:29 dcook Of course, that would need magic values...
04:29 jcamins dcook: huh? Why?
04:29 wahanui huh? Why are you installing firefox instead of just using iceweasel?
04:29 jcamins That's already available.
04:29 dcook jcamins: How do you mean?
04:29 dcook On my XSLT, there's "available for loan" and "available for reference"
04:29 dcook C'est tout
04:29 jcamins The use restrictions are available for display.
04:30 dcook On the detail page
04:30 dcook Not the research results
04:30 dcook search even
04:30 jcamins You just need to change the XSLT, not XSLT.pm as far as I can see.
04:31 jcamins However, I could be missing something.
04:31 dcook Mmm, I think you're probably right
04:32 dcook Nope, think it needs to be done in the XSLT.pm
04:32 dcook The item xml only has status, homebranch, itemcallnumber
04:32 jcamins Hm. In that case, yeah, requires a code change.
04:33 jcamins I thought it loaded the entire hashref.
04:34 jcamins Maybe that was changed for performance reasons.
04:35 dcook Could be. It would be nice to have access to more data.
04:35 wizzyrea yours only has that :P
04:35 wizzyrea 3.12 has a lot more stuff
04:36 dcook Good point, wizzyrea
04:36 dcook Damned 3.8...
04:36 wizzyrea but I think it does not have use restrictions - no matter it should be simple to add.
04:38 dcook Holdingbranch, location, and ccode, eh?
04:39 dcook Would have to hardcode in values for use restrictions, me thinks
04:39 dcook No context available for intranet v opac labels
04:41 dcook I'm thinking that "use restriction" might be better than "not for loan"
04:41 dcook In the case of wanting to be able to photocopy something, maybe you do want patrons to be able to place a hold on something
04:42 dcook And to check it out/check it in to record the use
04:47 wizzyrea well use restriction doesn't do anything
04:47 wizzyrea it's just a note
04:47 wizzyrea it has no behaviour
04:47 dcook Exactly.
04:47 dcook Which would be handy
04:48 dcook The behaviour could be controlled in the circ rules
04:48 dcook In this case, we just want to distinguish it as a special kind of available
04:48 * dcook tries to think if there are holes in this logic
04:49 wizzyrea you'll find them when you test it
04:49 wizzyrea :)
04:49 dcook True enough :)
04:49 wizzyrea if there are any
05:05 dcook Proposed the idea :)
05:06 dcook I just realized that it should actually be quite flexible
05:06 dcook Just add "use restriction" into the item xml, and then do all the hardcoding in the template...
05:06 dcook Which can be changed from client to client, if necessary
05:06 dcook And from Koha vendor to Koha vendor, of course
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05:33 dcook Hey cait :)
05:33 cait hi dcook :)
05:33 dcook By chance does anyone know of an editor that has TT syntax highlighting?
05:33 dcook That would be awesome...
05:34 rangi dcook: vim
05:34 rangi vim has everything
05:35 rangi https://github.com/vim-perl/vim-perl
05:36 rangi under syntax is the tt2 plugin
05:36 rangi but it has a ton of other useful highlighting too
05:36 dcook Oh my...
05:36 * dcook grins
05:37 dcook Thanks, rangi
05:37 dcook I'm going to try this out :D
05:37 rangi @later tell tcohen yep they dont have full build environments set up yet, galens is testing docs, i could get them doing builds as well, but i would like galens to be running maria so we run tests on both mysql and maria
05:37 huginn` rangi: The operation succeeded.
05:38 dcook Planning on moving Koha over to Maria?
05:40 rangi yep
05:40 rangi oracle are destroying mysql
05:40 rangi it wont be long before all the distros drop it
05:40 rangi we should be prepared
05:41 dcook Couldn't agree more
05:41 dcook I've known a few people who've recently moved over to it
05:42 dcook At least initially, it was pretty painless
05:42 rangi yep
05:47 dcook Hmm, is there a localized filetype.vim that can be edited?
05:48 dcook That is rather cool..
05:53 rangi i dont know
05:53 dcook I think it's a possibility. Looking into it now ;)
05:53 dcook http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/[…]html#new-filetype
05:53 dcook Oh, vim
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06:14 dcook rangi: No go in the end. The instructions for that syntax plugin aren't all that clear (to me). Plus, going through Putty probably means that I'm not seeing Vim's syntax highlighting anyway
06:14 dcook Although maybe it's just different colours..
06:16 dcook Hmm, maybe because the files I downloaded were the wrong ones...
06:16 dcook That could make a difference
06:19 dcook W00t
06:19 dcook Helps when you use the actual code ;)
06:28 dcook rangi: Do you use that TT plugin for vim?
06:29 rangi havent nope, but i use the perl one
06:29 rangi plus the perltidy hooks
06:29 dcook I should probably do the same at some point...
06:29 dcook This TT plugin isn't too shabby
06:30 rangi its good for tidying just the stuff you have changed
06:30 dcook Handy
06:30 * dcook wonders when it got to be 4:30...
06:31 dcook P.S. Turns out you can set up a user filetype.vim :)
06:31 dcook Which will automatically apply the syntax highlighting for anything with a .tt file extension
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06:32 rangi sweet
06:33 rangi ill add it to my user package
06:33 dcook Ideally, it would be nice if it could highlight the "end" tags...
06:34 dcook Maybe it can and I didn't set up that part right
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06:37 reiveune hello
06:38 rangi hi reiveune
06:38 dcook hey reiveune :)
06:38 dcook ça va?
06:38 reiveune hi rangi , dcook :)
06:39 reiveune dcook: bie, et toi ?
06:40 dcook assez bien aussi
06:44 reiveune tant mieux :)
06:50 dcook Alors, bogue est le mot français pour 'bug'? C'est assez facile d'rappeler.
06:50 * dcook wonders a bit why there is a LocalCoverImages preference...
06:55 rangi so you can turn them off? without having to go round deleting them all?
06:55 dcook rangi: I was thinking because the only place they show up is in the "Images" tab in the detail record
06:55 dcook It's just that the syspref text is incorrect
06:55 dcook ish
06:56 dcook Since they don't show up in search results
06:56 rangi they dont? wtf not?
06:56 dcook Well, for starters, there's no HTML for them to hook onto
06:56 dcook It would be easy enough to add though
06:57 rangi why would we half add them?
06:57 dcook That's a very good question
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07:00 rangi its in the doc-head-close.inc
07:00 rangi so the js is on everypage
07:00 dcook Yep
07:01 dcook But there's no '$("div [id^=local-thumbnail]"'' in the results.tt
07:01 dcook Actually, that doesn't look quite right either
07:01 dcook That should be more of a..
07:01 rangi hmmm
07:02 dcook Oh wait, no...that would be all right
07:02 rangi there is
07:02 rangi koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/e​n/modules/opac-results.tt:            [% IF ( OPACLocalCoverImages ) %]<span title="[% SEARCH_RESULT.biblionumber |url %]" class="[% SEARCH_RESULT.biblionumber %]" id="local-thumbnail[% loop.count %]"></span>[% END %]
07:02 dcook Yeah, in the opac
07:02 dcook Not in the intranet though
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07:02 gaetan_B hello
07:02 dcook salut gaetan_B
07:02 rangi ahh i pretty much dont care about the staff side
07:03 rangi we spend way too much time on it, and nowhere enough on the public side :)
07:03 rangi so im happy to leave it for others
07:03 dcook Fair enough. I might add it in sometime soon.
07:03 * dcook looks at the burgeoning task list
07:04 dcook Exciting about Owen doing a Boostrap Opac
07:04 dcook Bootstrap*
07:04 dcook I just wonder why it was "almost" put in for the intranet though
07:04 dcook It seems like one line of code is missing
07:05 gaetan_B hi dcook :)
07:05 rangi yeah
07:05 cjh evening #koha
07:06 kf what feature are we missing in intranet?
07:06 dcook LocalCoverImages
07:06 dcook Except in the "Images" tab
07:07 kf ah
07:11 dcook But...maybe I'll fix that soon :)
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07:15 cjh awesome, 3.8.14 translation updates now in 3.8.x
07:16 cjh bgkriegel++
07:17 kf bgkriegel++ cjh++ tcohen++ :)
07:17 kf cjh: did you pick the security fix yet?
07:18 cjh not yet, only just found time to rmaint so doing it now :)
07:18 kf cool
07:18 cjh 10590 will be in 3.8.15 :)
07:19 dcook cjh++
07:29 dcook mtj: Still not around?
07:29 jenkins_koha Starting build #329 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: FIXED)
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08:07 jenkins_koha Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Language updates for 3.8.14
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08:08 christophe_c hello #koha
08:08 jenkins_koha Starting build #330 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:10 kf mtj: still around?
08:22 kf Joubu: around?
08:50 eythian hi
08:50 wahanui what's up, eythian
08:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #330: SUCCESS in 45 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/330/
08:53 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 6281: add test case for sorting LC call numbers correctly
08:53 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 6281: introduce LC::CallNumber::LC for sorting LC call numbers
08:53 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 6281: add Library::CallNumber::LC as a required Perl dependency
08:53 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6281 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Bug in LCC sort routine
08:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #331 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #331: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/331/
09:34 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 9370: test case for splitting LC call number
09:34 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 9370: add invalid call number to LC splitting test cases
09:34 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 9370: improve splitting of LC call numbers for labels
09:34 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9370 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , use Library::CallNumber::LC when splitting LC call numbers for spine labels
09:59 Joubu kf: yep
10:18 kf Joubu: hi :) i hve problems getting the qa-tools working in my new dev environment and was hopbin for some pointers
10:18 mtj dcook, kf, about now...
10:19 kf running prove first complained about missing modules
10:19 kf then i installed all fo them
10:19 kf and now it's not running at all?
10:19 kf You have to be at the root of the koha-qa-tools project at t/Perl.t and i am in the qa-test-tools directory :(
10:20 kf i am not sure the Readme is correct
10:20 kf lots is not working as it's written there
10:20 mtj kf, pastebin your error...
10:20 kf sec... different server
10:21 kf paste.koha-community.org/122
10:21 mtj and.. hi! :)
10:21 kf hi :)
10:21 kf mtj: the cpan command didn't work, but I installed the modules using apt-get and only had 1 so far that was not in debian
10:22 mtj 1 tic...
10:23 mtj just doing a little test, myself
10:25 kf also this when I try to run it from the koha repositoy
10:25 kf paste.koha-community.org/123
10:25 mtj aah, i did spot a little typo in the README
10:25 mtj cat ./perl-deps | sudo cpanm
10:25 mtj not...
10:25 Joubu kf: I run "prove t" and all is good
10:25 mtj sudo cat ./perl-deps | cpanm
10:26 kf yeah, but why use cpan?
10:26 kf and it's missing some it seems
10:26 mtj coz.. im lazy :/
10:26 kf like libgit-repository-perl
10:27 mtj i havent got round to finding out the debian package equivs, of those packages
10:28 mtj i think, last time i looked, some packages were missing
10:28 mtj ...meaning, pulling some packages cpan was a necessity :/
10:29 mtj but, that may not be situation now :) (i havent looked recently)
10:30 kf i missed one
10:30 kf but it shoudl tell me i guess
10:30 kf and the errors look werid
10:30 kf no idea
10:30 kf also i didn't understand that export bit
10:30 kf for the path
10:31 kf but that's probably related to the fact that I am not very good with linux still
10:31 pastebot "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "qa ./prove" (26 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/124
10:32 kf ok, i see it works for the 2 of you... but still not for me
10:32 kf :(
10:32 kf did you look at paste 123 too?
10:32 Joubu kf: all deps are up to date?
10:33 mtj kf, just set your EXPORT stuff, like you would for using a koha
10:33 Joubu the PERL5LIB env var should contains the path to the qa-tools dir
10:33 kf mtj: i don't know how to set it and as it's written down it exploded
10:34 kf i did add those lines to my .bashrc file and got errors
10:34 mtj so, export a vaild KOHA_CONF, to point to any  koha conf file
10:34 kf something is not right there
10:34 kf my koha_Konf is correct
10:35 mtj kf, you were not in the correct dir, for paste 123
10:35 mtj aah, oops - i take that back :)
10:35 Joubu kf: and the perl5lib too? (/home/koha/src:/home/koha/tools/koha-qa-tools)
10:36 kf Joubu: i followed the readme which is confusing me :(
10:36 kf and it complained about wrong syntax
10:36 kf so i set it bac
10:36 kf k
10:37 mtj aah, i see…
10:37 mtj sorry, some missing info in the README  :/
10:37 kf sorry for being difficult
10:37 mtj yeah, joubu is correct
10:38 kf ok, can you tell me how to do it?
10:38 kf i have export PERL5LIB=/home/katrin/koha so far
10:38 mtj …this missing bit of info, is to add the ./qa dir , to PERL5LIB
10:38 mtj thats causing the error -> Can't locate QohA/Git.pm in @INC
10:39 mtj sorry about that
10:39 kf ok, so how do I do that? multiple paths?
10:39 mtj export PERL5LIB=aaa:bbb
10:40 mtj export PERL5LIB=/home/katrin/koha:/home/katrin/qa-tools
10:40 kf hm
10:41 kf i did that - with qa-test-tools
10:41 kf but it still explodes when i try to run prove
10:41 kf with the DATA line 1012 that i pasted earlier
10:42 kf hmm
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10:43 mtj does your qa-tools dir pass a 'prove' ok?
10:43 mtj $ cd /home/katrin/qa-tools
10:43 cait_dev now i can copy and paste
10:43 mtj $ prove
10:43 cait_dev when i try prove i get paste 122
10:43 cait_dev it says i am not in the right place
10:44 cait_dev but i am
10:44 cait_dev *confused*
10:44 cait_dev only that my directory is not qa-tools but qa-test-tools
10:44 cait_dev and really sorry... I think i am just missing something obvious here
10:44 cait_dev env now gives me that: PERL5LIB=/home/katrin/koha:​/home/katrin/qa-test-tools/
10:45 Joubu the qa dir have to be koha-qa-tools
10:45 Joubu die "You have to be at the root of the koha-qa-tools project" unless $cwd_bak =~ /koha-qa-tools$/;
10:45 cait_dev hm when you clone that's not what you get
10:45 Joubu (yes, it's stupid, i will try to fix that later)
10:45 mtj aaah
10:45 cait_dev ok, so i can rename it and try again
10:45 cait_dev what's the right one?
10:46 mtj yeah, i change the repo name, my bad
10:46 cait_dev koha-qa-tools?
10:46 mtj yep
10:47 cait_dev intersting
10:47 cait_dev prove still fails, but differently now
10:47 cait_dev i think i also have to copy the perlcritic file in the right place to ~?
10:47 mtj cait_dev, try this for a bit more into...
10:48 mtj $ perl ./t/Perl.t
10:48 cait_dev failed 2 out of 37
10:48 cait_dev not ok 22 - Check verbosity output (0)
10:48 pastebot "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "perl ./t/Perl.t" (40 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/125
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10:50 cait_dev http://paste.koha-community.org/126
10:51 mtj interesting....
10:51 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
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10:52 kf Joubu: i am not totally sure - the cpanm command does not work
10:52 kf oh sorry,... scrolling broken
10:52 kf that was a really old question :)
10:53 kf mtj: should koha-qa.pl work when in the git repository of koha? you don't have to give the full path? that never worked for me without telling it where to find it
10:53 mtj kf, your repo is up-to-date ? -> https://github.com/Koha-Community/qa-test-tools
10:53 kf mtj: i cloned it this morning
10:53 mtj ok
10:53 kf since then it's driving me nuts :)
10:53 Joubu i_m_ok fail perlcritic
10:54 Joubu I think the perlcritic does not contains the equivalent modules for Morder::Perl
10:54 kf does check verbosity output need a special dependency?
10:55 Joubu s/perlcritic/.perlcriticrc
10:55 kf Joubu - that was it
10:56 kf i copied the perlcritic file
10:56 kf but it was missing the .
10:56 kf now i pass all tests
10:56 Joubu kf: cool :)
10:56 kf could someone note some of that in the README? (preferrable not me as i might get it wrong again? :)
10:56 Joubu I will provide a patch for the repo name constraint.
10:56 Joubu kf: yep I will
10:56 kf :)
10:57 Joubu launch time!
10:57 kf the copy the perlcritic file one comes up often too
10:57 kf i remembered that
10:57 kf enjoy your lunch :)
10:57 kf mtj: still awake? *nudge* :)
10:57 mtj kf, there is a perlcritic .rc file, added to the qa repo
10:57 mtj … that the tools uses
10:57 kf mtj: i know, but you have to copy it to ~ with another name :)
10:57 kf and that could go into the README as well
10:58 kf without you fail the tests
10:58 mtj ow, thats a bug
10:58 kf i think jonathan told me about that a while ago, when i had problems with modern perl giving fails
10:58 mtj hmm, its working for me, but prolly coz i have a ~/.perlcriticrc file
10:59 kf i have a question about step 6 of the readme
11:00 kf i can run the tests now successfuly
11:00 kf but i still can#t the qa script
11:00 kf for the error in 123
11:00 cait_dev :~/koha$ ../koha-qa-tools/koha-qa.pl -c 1
11:00 cait_dev tried this
11:01 mtj kf - its prolly a path issue, paste your error again?
11:02 kf http://paste.koha-community.org/123
11:02 kf hmwith the right path
11:03 kf the error is still teh same as before renaming the repo
11:03 mtj remember, you need to add the qa path to PERL5LIB
11:03 kf mtj: I think we are past that :)
11:03 kf oh right.
11:03 kf i haven#t changed it after renaming
11:03 mtj ok
11:04 kf yay
11:04 kf it works :)
11:05 kf thx a lot :)
11:05 kf guess I am good tester for the README - because I have no idea what i am doing :)
11:05 kf which is actually a bit more :(
11:06 mtj i didnt realise that the qa-tool was *not* using the rc file, in its repo
11:07 kf thx a lot mtj++ Joubu++ :)
11:07 kf have to run, bbiab
11:07 mtj kf++ Joubu++ :)
11:08 mtj Joubu we might need an /either|or/  for matching the qa repo name
11:08 mtj else, the match will break for people still using the old repo name :/
11:13 mtj hmm, a nice tweak would be to get the qa-tool to use a koha's perlcriticrc file, 1st
11:14 mtj … before using the ~/ one
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11:18 drojf hi #koha
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11:48 drojf https://foaas.herokuapp.com/
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12:00 edveal morning guys.
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12:11 tcohen morning #koha
12:12 tcohen @later tell rangi that sounds great rangi
12:12 huginn` tcohen: The operation succeeded.
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12:13 mjk hello all.
12:14 mjk quick question: roughly how much computer would be needed to comfortably host an internal-use-only instance of koha with about 15k items
12:15 tcohen dual-core, 1GB RAM
12:16 eythian mjk: depends more on how much use it gets.
12:17 eythian having items just sitting there doesn't really cost anything except a little bit of storage.
12:17 mjk hmm. so an old p4 box with 512mb won't cut it
12:17 eythian it would work, but it'd be pushing it if it got busy, and would feel a bit sluggish in parts.
12:17 mjk i doubt it would ever have more than two or three users
12:18 eythian tbh I'd test it out on your old P4 and see if it works as well as you need.
12:18 eythian It'll definitely function on that, but may just not be that great.
12:18 Joubu kf, mtj: qa tools repo updated
12:18 mjk hmm. currently its running on a quad-core amd box with 16gb of ram, but that box's owner wants it back...
12:19 eythian heh, the downgrade may be felt by people.
12:20 kf Joubu++
12:21 mtj Joubu++ awesome
12:21 mtj i need to reverse my repo syncing script
12:22 mjk i'm going to try to convince the business meeting to let us buy the box off its owner (who has said he'll let it go for the cost of materials) and use the p4 box as a self-circulation station
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12:22 eythian that's a good plan. tbh, I think that the current machine may be overspecced for what it's doing.
12:22 eythian But that's not a terrible thing.
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12:24 mjk if i do have to move the data, would it make more sense to export everything as a marc file and then reimport or would it make more sense to try and move the databases directly
12:25 eythian I'd move the database, otherwise you'll lose everything like circ info, settings, etc.
12:25 oleonard Hi #koha
12:25 mjk currently, we;re just in the "get the uncataloged data catloged" stage
12:25 tcohen hi oleonard
12:25 eythian still, moving the database would probably be less work too
12:25 mjk wev've got about 100 volumes out of the 10-15k in our library done
12:26 eythian just make a dump and then restore that into the new one.
12:26 eythian if you're using the packages then there's koha-dump and koha-restore
12:27 mjk ah
12:30 oleonard @wunder 45701
12:30 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Whitlind Woods, Athens, Ohio is 25.3°C (8:30 AM EDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 30.32 in 1027 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect from 2 PM this afternoon to 6 PM EDT this evening...
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12:31 eythian @wunder bn1
12:31 huginn` eythian: Error: No such location could be found.
12:31 eythian @wunder bn1 1al
12:31 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Brighton, Brighton, United Kingdom is 26.5°C (1:30 PM BST on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
12:31 mjk does anyone here have any experience with datalogic qw2100 barcode scanners
12:33 tcohen not much mjk, those that use leds?
12:33 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
12:33 huginn` tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 12.0°C (9:00 AM ART on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
12:34 mtj Joubu, nice patch!
12:34 mjk i think so
12:35 mtj heya eythian, still in old blighty?
12:35 eythian mtj: am indeed
12:35 eythian it's sweltering here, which was a surprise.
12:35 mjk it can't be worse than the microvision rov we're currently using, though, and it costs less that a twedge license
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12:36 mtj heh yeah, i was just thinking about the hideous weather you are missing, over here
12:37 oleonard Ah, so everyone's having miserable weather?
12:37 eythian oleonard: well, there's too much sun here, if that counts.
12:37 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
12:37 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 26.5°C (2:13 PM CEST on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
12:37 drojf :P
12:38 eythian mtj: yeah, I've seen what's been happening there. I don't feel at all bad about missing it :)
12:38 mjk @wunder boston, massachusetts
12:38 huginn` mjk: The current temperature in Boston - South End, Boston, Massachusetts is 30.5°C (8:33 AM EDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1022 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect from 11 am this morning to 7 PM EDT this evening...
12:39 oleonard Is that where you are mjk?
12:39 mjk i think i win for worst weather
12:39 mjk yep. i'm a masshole
12:40 oleonard You've got a few degrees on us here in Ohio, but we've got 35 humidity percentage points on you!
12:43 tcohen eythian: is it desirable that the webinstaller is run always in english? or is it a bug
12:43 eythian tcohen: I thought it allowed language selection if you had alternate languages installed, but I can't say I've ever tried.
12:43 drojf tcohen: if languages are installed you can choose
12:44 drojf eythian: i did. several times
12:44 drojf works fine for me
12:44 tcohen i noticed while testing bug 10560 that if english is disabled, you're still forced to use english
12:44 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10560 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , No way to disable english
12:44 drojf the first page is in english, before you choose the language
12:47 eythian Maybe it should say "choose your language" in all installed languages :)
12:48 mtj @wunder nzwn
12:48 huginn` mtj: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (12:00 AM NZST on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
12:51 tcohen if you install and enable (for example) es-ES and disable english on a 3.12.x checkout
12:52 tcohen and then checkout current master
12:52 tcohen you wont be able to choose es-ES, forced to english
12:53 tcohen (on the webinstaller I mean=
12:53 tcohen s/=/)/
12:53 eythian well, the disabling I could see not working
12:53 eythian You can't access the system preferences
12:53 eythian as you don't know that the schema is something that you expect at this stage.
12:54 eythian however I'd expect you to be able to choose es-ES
12:56 tcohen i see it as another case for bug 10560, but maybe i'm wrong
12:56 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10560 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , No way to disable english
12:57 eythian ah, that's why you're asking me :)
12:57 eythian I don't think it should be that, but that function should never be called, we shouldn't be accessing sysprefs in the webinstaller.
12:58 oleonard At least this weather is good for something: http://www.myacpl.org/blog/array-sun-2013-07-15
12:58 eythian that's cool, oleonard
12:59 tcohen yes eythian :) sorry for not explaining
12:59 tcohen ok, so its a feature
12:59 eythian well, I think it's a bug. I just don't think it's that bug :)
13:01 eythian I'm not sure it should be obeying the sysprefs though, but I think it should allow you to pick any installed language.
13:02 eythian Or I suppose it could be more conservative and specifically pick those sysprefs and be really careful about what it does if it can't make sense of them.
13:05 tcohen i'm talking about the upgrade process, right?
13:05 tcohen maybe i didn't explain it well
13:06 eythian yeah
13:06 eythian that's what I meant too
13:06 tcohen ok
13:07 eythian it's just that when you know the schema is old, you don't know that the sysprefs haven't changed how they work until after the upgrade has run.
13:23 tcohen if I manually do UPDATE systempreferences SET value="es-ES,en" WHERE variable="language";
13:23 tcohen it shows in spanish
13:23 tcohen update syspref on mysql ; refresh browser
13:23 tcohen UPDATE systempreferences SET value="es-ES" WHERE variable="language";
13:23 tcohen makes it show in english only
13:24 tcohen you're rigt is another bug
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13:33 mtompset Greetings, #koha
13:36 oleonard Hi mtompset
13:37 mtompset Greetings, oleonard. Nice solar panel arrays. :)
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13:39 * druthb chucks Skittles at mtompset, Just Because.
13:39 mtompset Thanks for the skittles "love", druthb. :P
13:39 druthb <3
13:40 * mtompset chucks them back at druthb to maintain a balance in the skittles wars. ;)
13:41 tcohen heh, hi mtompset
13:41 mtompset Greetings, druthb tcohen.
13:42 kf Joubu: around still?
13:42 kf :)
13:43 mtompset Does  Srdjan Jankovic come here? If so, what's their handle? I'd like to pass some karma. :)
13:43 eythian mtompset: he's papa, but usually only during AU daytime.
13:43 mtompset Not a problem, eythian. Thanks.
13:44 mtompset eythian++ # thanks for the info.
13:44 mtompset papa++ # thanks for the bug review.
13:44 mtompset Greetings, kf, eythian.
13:45 eythian hi
13:45 wahanui que tal, eythian
13:45 kf hi mtompset
13:45 mtompset Now for some fun today: attempt to roll my own package.
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14:02 drojf mtompset: they are the best. just like joints. i mean cigarettes. i mean lollipops.
14:02 mtompset yes, but I've never built a package before, so this is a bit of a learning curve.
14:04 drojf there are two wiki pages. one says it is the easy way and there is another. i think most people agree the easy way is the easy way, just eythian likes the other ;)
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14:04 mtompset I was going to ask what does "git clean -f -x -d" do.
14:05 gmcharlt @quote random
14:05 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #27: "<jdavidb> ("A helicopter does not fly; it is a collection of quasi-unrelated parts moving in closeformation, beating the sky into submission.")" (added by gmcharlt at 09:21 PM, August 22, 2009)
14:05 eythian git clean --help will explain it better than we can
14:05 drojf ah yeah, that is the eythian way :P
14:06 eythian I'm not sure if it's the easiest way, but it's the way I use for real builds because it's got a good likelyhood of being clean :)
14:06 tcohen morning gmcharlt
14:07 drojf not doubting that at all. i think i started with the other and it worked for me so i did not bring up the energy to learn the other :)
14:07 eythian the patches section of the easy way should refer to git bz
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14:07 mtompset Greetings, gmcharlt. :)
14:08 drojf now that i am referring to both ways as "the other" i think it is time to leave and work before i spread more confusion :D
14:08 kf yeah
14:08 eythian heh
14:08 kf better you spread it at work
14:09 mtompset drojf: The sentence is a difficult construct, but the intent is still parsable from the larger context. :)
14:09 eythian also, it's use of '-2' in the version number for doing an update is bad and wrong and may get really confusing if you attempt to put it into a repo, as 3.4-1, 3.4-2, etc. are expected to have the same source tarball, and they won't in this case.
14:09 mtompset You started with the "easier way", and never worked up the energy to do it eythian's "it will definitely be clean" way. :)
14:12 mtompset Just tweaked the instructions to say 3.x not 3.2 for the easy way. :)
14:12 eythian I need to update mine at some time to be more automated.
14:17 mtompset Okay, question. Is it possible to roll packages from an Ubuntu VM?
14:17 eythian yes
14:17 mtompset The instructions are debianist.
14:17 eythian you should be able to follow the instructions more or less exactly the same, assuming that pbuilder on ubuntu knows about squeeze
14:18 mtompset It doesn't.
14:18 eythian then you'll have to figure out how to tell it to. It shouldn't be too hard.
14:18 mtompset Found it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
14:19 mtompset Has a nice "if you want to build debian..." part.
14:19 eythian cool
14:21 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10409: Follow up - improving strings for easier translation <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]bc74d1677479a8869> / Bug 10409 - Do not show course entry form if no departments are found <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ede8e06cf3133a750>
14:23 khall just submitted a patron lists feature for anyone who's interested. I wrote it using DBIx::Class. It's amazing how much faster development is using DBIx::Class, and much more readable too! Bug 10565
14:23 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10565 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add a "Patron List" feature for storing and manipulating collections of patrons
14:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #1316 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:34 mtompset Funny how there are always tiny steps missing in instructions. I guess we don't want bloated instructions.
14:37 drojf maybe they are steps you would assume someone going that deep into development just knows about?
14:39 mtompset For example... when I went into the pbuilder environment to do something the command was sudo and wget... both needed to be installed. Not difficult, but just tiny steps like that.
14:39 drojf i'm not sure if something like building your own debian packages for koha is supposed to be done by copy+paste from a wiki by somebody with zero knowledge of linux, for example
14:39 eythian mtompset: you shouldn't need sudo in the pbuilder environment, you'll already be root
14:40 eythian yeah, those are definitely something that someone attempting to build packages should already be aware of.
14:40 mtompset true enough... oh well, I guess they just copied the wget command from the instructions.
14:40 mtompset I'll tweak out the sudo.
14:41 eythian it also mentions installing wget right there.
14:41 mtompset silly me... I skimmed too much. :)
14:42 eythian that's why I prefer my method of setting up the environment, it's scriptable and doesn't require messing with the innards of the environment.
14:44 mtompset I see your point, eythian.
14:45 mtompset waiting for a fresh clone.
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15:05 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10563: Fix broken 'Edit' link on check expiration page <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4de880e9cf6126b26> / Bug 7019: fix sorting by return date in Circulation History <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]deef4f839127e30db>
15:05 mtompset okay... going to try: koha package install of 3.10.x (oldstable), install a 3.12.0 (rolled), and then a 3.12.x (stable)
15:06 mtompset attempting the roll right now.
15:12 rambutan drum roll please.......
15:13 mtompset some of those messages are worrisome, but it keeps going.
15:15 drojf mtompset: so you are installing your own package to replace it with the regular one?
15:15 mtompset That's going to be the attempt.
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15:16 mtompset I didn't make any changes... just going with an intermediate 3.12.0
15:16 mtompset I assume the progression with "has my patches in it" version, will be similar.
15:17 eythian it fails outright if things are wrong
15:17 eythian and you don't get a .deb file
15:18 mtompset I got all the deb files as far as I can tell.
15:18 reiveune bye
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15:35 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9576: DBRev 3.13.00.013 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d2b488fe928a7a2ad> / Bug 9576: can now control whether max loans limit can be overriden <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]419b68d036b908cc2>
15:38 tcohen @seen jcamins
15:38 huginn` tcohen: jcamins was last seen in #koha 11 hours, 4 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <jcamins> Maybe that was changed for performance reasons.
15:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1316: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1316/
15:47 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10409 - Do not show course entry form if no departments are found
15:47 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10409: Follow up - improving strings for easier translation
15:47 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10409 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Do not show course entry form if no departments are found
15:48 jenkins_koha Starting build #1317 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:55 mtompset Greetings, pianohacker.
15:55 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9362: fix query that finds upcoming due loans <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]de4e237e6b1de93eb>
15:56 pianohacker hey mtompset
15:56 wahanui hmmm... mtompset is disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs.
15:56 mtompset Nope... playing with rolling my own packages.
15:56 pianohacker cool
15:57 * eythian notes that warnings in your logs aren't silent. They're in your logs.
15:57 mtompset yes, but they aren't on the HTML page put back out. :P
15:58 eythian that'd be a terrible thing to do
15:58 mtompset Yes, it would... so they are silent in the UI sense of the word silent. :P
15:58 mtompset and they are warnings, like int(undef) :)
15:58 eythian there are too many warnings.
15:59 eythian if I had time, I'd go through and fix the situations that lead to them
15:59 mtompset me too, eythian. me too. :)
15:59 * eythian lacks that sort of time.
16:00 pianohacker eythian: start with something simple and easy, like addbiblio.pl
16:01 eythian heh
16:02 mtompset Lunch... just on the verge of missing dependencies.
16:02 eythian there shouldn't be missing dependencies.
16:16 tcohen eythian, once you got the deb files, what's the step to sign them and use dput to deplooy on a new (local) repo ?
16:16 eythian tcohen: basically, debsign *.changes, but you may need to provide a key ID
16:17 tcohen so, debsign ; dput ?
16:17 eythian debsign, dput, and reprepro export
16:17 eythian oh no wait
16:18 eythian reprepro usually happens as part of dput
16:19 tcohen what's the result? the deb & friends files on the incoming dir?
16:19 eythian that's what dput itself does. the reprepro step integrates them into the repo properly.
16:20 gmcharlt eythian: a question that I think tcohen had asked you, but I'd like to know the answer too: is it kosher to add new dependencies when making minior updates to a package?
16:21 eythian gmcharlt: I'd like to avoid it if reasonably possible (except in master, that's OK.)
16:21 gmcharlt it forces use of dist-upgrade rather than upgrade, correct?
16:21 eythian yep
16:21 gmcharlt thanks for confirming my impression
16:22 eythian rule of thumb would be if that it's actually fixing something that's annoying people, go for it. Otherwise consider it again.
16:22 tcohen yes, I first made a mistake on 3.12.x and then concluded it was for a greater cause
16:22 eythian It's not the end of the world if it happens, just an inconvenience.
16:22 eythian It might also be worth batching a couple together (although this isn't something that seems to happen a lot anyway.)
16:23 eythian keep in mind it'll also have similar upsets for people running from tarballs
16:23 eythian they'll have to install missing things manually.
16:24 * tcohen feels quite guilty
16:24 gmcharlt tcohen: sorry, I didn't mean to pick on you
16:24 eythian heh
16:25 eythian I'm inclined to think that most things that are making it into a stable release are likely to be greater cause things anyway.
16:25 gaetan_B bye
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16:25 rambutan We have a problem with searching (and retrieving) a special case in Koha
16:25 rambutan There is a (musical) group called "98°", they have produced a CD called "2.0"
16:25 eythian I don't think they deserve to be found
16:25 rambutan the only way we can retrieve this item is by its alternative name
16:26 eythian http://bash.org/?514353 <-- rambutan
16:27 pianohacker ahhh, bash.org
16:27 rambutan and what would be behind door number two
16:27 rambutan ?
16:28 eythian as for finding them, I have no idea. I suppose '98' doesn't do it?
16:28 eythian you probably need to find someone who understands zebra tuning.
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16:29 rambutan "98" yields 996,241 hits on "Windows 98"
16:29 eythian oh dear.
16:29 eythian perhaps those should just be weeded :)
16:29 oleonard :D
16:29 rambutan concur
16:30 oleonard Seriously. 996,241?
16:30 rambutan oh, no, sorry, it was only 149
16:30 rambutan slight exaggeration I suppose
16:31 pianohacker what's four orders of magnitude, between friends?
16:31 rambutan exactly
16:34 rambutan the TS supervisor tells me that searching on "2.0" returns 0 also, even knowing there are other titles with 2.0 in them, like Web 2.0, for example
16:35 oleonard http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-b[…]c-search.pl?q=2.0
16:36 pianohacker rambutan: Just to confirm, you're on 3.10?
16:42 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "dependencies not auto-installed?!" (33 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/127
16:42 mtompset that's the output from my attempted roll. back to watching Castle. ;)
16:43 eythian mtompset: you missed the bit in the instructions about adding the koha-community repo apparently :)
16:43 eythian (or it's not there, or wrong)
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16:43 eythian oh, or you forgot that dpkg != apt and doesn't fix deps for you like apt does
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16:44 * jcamins_web waves from Alabama
16:44 eythian jcamins_web looks suspiciously like a kat.
16:44 eythian mtompset: try apt-get install -f to fix that
16:44 eythian or maybe apt-get -f install, I forget every time.
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16:46 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10541: enable cross-browser AJAX in additem.js <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]af0800d624eb4c1d3>
16:46 vfernandes hi :)
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16:46 Kat Hello?
16:46 jcamins_web Hi!
16:47 mtompset in the pbuilder environment? or the ubuntu environment I'm trying to install on?
16:47 rambutan pianohacker: yes, 3.10
16:47 jcamins_web (demonstrating two people talking at once from the same office)
16:47 druthb Hi, jcamins_web and Kat! :)
16:48 druthb Kat:  is jcamins talking like a Southerner yet?
16:48 rambutan jkatmins?
16:48 Guest124 Hi druthb.
16:48 Guest124 Not quite yet, we've got a bit of a canadian about occasionally.
16:48 rambutan where are you?
16:48 druthb lol.  Keep at him.  Y'all can do it.
16:49 eythian mtompset: the one you're trying to install on, as that's the one missing the dependencies.
16:49 jcamins_web druthb: not likely.
16:49 jcamins_web rambutan: Dothan, AL.
16:49 rambutan ic
16:49 druthb jcamins, a drawl so long it won't fit in your suitcase would be a nice souvenier.
16:49 druthb s/ie/ei/
16:49 rambutan ALA Mid-July I would suppose
16:50 Guest124 We'll keep working at it. Back to training. Nice to meet y'all.
16:50 druthb gmcharlt++
16:50 druthb be well, Alabamans!  Take good care of Jared. :)
16:51 druthb kf++
16:51 oleonard @wunder 36303
16:51 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Dothan, Alabama is 32.3°C (11:50 AM CDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025 hPa (Falling).
16:51 oleonard @wunder 45701
16:51 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 31.7°C (12:21 PM EDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect from 2 PM this afternoon to 6 PM EDT this evening...
16:51 druthb @wunder Forest Hills, NY
16:51 vfernandes yesterday I was here to ask about authorities.... I wanted a authority controll for subfield 260$b
16:51 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 36.0°C (12:45 PM EDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect until 8 PM EDT Thursday...
16:52 druthb Bet he's enjoying the "cooler" weather.
16:52 druthb @wunder 77063
16:52 oleonard That's insane.
16:52 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 22.9°C (11:51 AM CDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
16:52 mtompset eythian: So, why didn't the dependencies auto-install? They are easily findable.
16:52 oleonard druthb: !!
16:52 druthb eh?
16:52 mtompset It's not my repo that's wrong on the fresh packages install.
16:52 vfernandes the authorities still have 0 records :/
16:52 eythian mtompset: because that's not the job of dpkg.
16:53 druthb Rainy and downright cool here on the bayou today.
16:53 mtompset Okay, so the missing dependencies are to be expected, because of the dpkg -i vs. apt-get install
16:53 eythian yes
16:55 rambutan @wunder 64507
16:55 huginn` rambutan: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is 31.0°C (11:50 AM CDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
16:55 rambutan @wunder dothan, alabama
16:55 huginn` rambutan: The current temperature in Dothan, Alabama is 32.3°C (11:55 AM CDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025 hPa (Falling).
16:56 jcamins_web @later tell wizzyrea Any chance you could add a link to the wiki page Version control in git on http://koha-community.org/get-[…]d/for-developers/ and change the web IRC link to kiwiirc.com, since that works consistently even behind firewalls?
16:56 huginn` jcamins_web: The operation succeeded.
16:57 druthb There's a very weak low-pressure center off the coast of eastern Mexico; the hurricane watchers are keeping their eye on it, but two of the computer models stubbornly refuse to even give it a *potential* to be a TS.  But it is pushing wet air at us, in large quantities.
17:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1317: SUCCESS in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1317/
17:00 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7019: fix sorting by return date in Circulation History
17:00 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10563: Fix broken 'Edit' link on check expiration page
17:00 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9576: can now control whether max loans limit can be overriden
17:00 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9576: DBRev 3.13.00.013
17:00 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7019 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Circulation History Sort Order Wrong
17:00 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10563 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Link to edit subscription from 'check expiraton' page is broken
17:00 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9576 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Enable or disable issue limit confirmation
17:00 mtompset Well, it would seem that the package rolled upgrade worked.
17:01 mtompset (after the installation of the missing dependencies)
17:01 jenkins_koha Starting build #1318 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:11 vfernandes can anyone help me? I want to have 260$b controlled by authorities
17:12 vfernandes i've already created a new authority type and the fields in bibliographic models are blocked to the authority
17:13 kf you'd have to configure that in your frameworks
17:13 vfernandes kf i've already done that
17:13 kf hm then not sure what is missing
17:13 vfernandes which is the best authority field to put publishers?
17:14 vfernandes i're already added to biblio/record.abs : melm 260$9  Koha-Auth-Number
17:15 vfernandes i've created a 170 field for authorities frameworks with a subfield b... this is the field that will be copied to records
17:16 kf i think maybe another way to do it woudl be using a plugin
17:16 kf i think ther emight be one for unimarc that could do the trick for marc21 without using authorities
17:16 kf but giving you suggestions/controlling it a bit
17:17 tcohen GOT MY OWN REPOOOOO
17:17 tcohen eythian++ eythian++ # thanks, really
17:17 kf lol
17:17 kf where? where?
17:17 vfernandes http://biblioteca.lnec.pt/cgi-[…]thorities-home.pl -  try to search EDITORES
17:17 tcohen didn't make it public
17:17 tcohen http://ubuntu.unc.edu.ar/koha
17:18 tcohen built on precise, our own 3.12 flavour  :-D
17:18 vfernandes the search "in keywords" works, but for "in any heading" or "in main entry" doens't work
17:19 kf probably you will have to index your new field.
17:20 vfernandes on my authorities/record.abs I added the following: melm 170$b Heading:w,Heading:p,Heading:s,Heading-Mai​n:w,Heading-Main:p,Heading-Main:s,Match:w​,Match:p,Match-heading:w,Match-heading:p melm 170 Heading:w,Heading:p,Heading:s,Match:w,M​atch:p,Match-heading:w,Match-heading:p
17:20 vfernandes two entries to index the field... but no lucky :/
17:22 vfernandes I don't know what is wrong
17:23 vfernandes shouldn't the authorities be searchable by mainentry which this entries on record.abs?
17:23 tcohen translators of the world, translate
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17:26 vfernandes kf any idea?
17:27 vfernandes another problem: besides being used in the record, the authority has 0 records associated
17:30 mtompset exit
17:30 mtompset Oops...
17:30 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
17:31 kf tcohen: cngrats :)
17:31 tcohen :-D
17:32 kf vfernandes: did you reindex after adding it? did you change the right file? if you have a dev install there will be 2 of them, the one in koha-dev is the right one
17:32 kf and that's all ideas i have - leaving :)
17:32 kf bye all!
17:32 vfernandes bye kf
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17:36 drojf raspberries! raspberries for everyone!
17:38 pianohacker ooh raspberries
17:39 pianohacker vfernandes: To follow up on kf's question, did you change the record.abs in your tarball, or the installed one?
17:39 pianohacker (assuming you installed from tarball)
17:40 vfernandes installed
17:40 vfernandes KOHA_HOME/etc/zebradb/.../record.abs
17:42 drojf git question: can i reset a single file to master in a customized branch?
17:43 tcohen gmcharlt: do u remember where did we (bgkriegel and I) uploaded our gpg keys?
17:44 drojf ha it's actually called git reset. who would have expected that?
17:44 gmcharlt tcohen: pgp.mit.edu?
17:44 drojf hm no that seems to keep the changes
17:45 pianohacker drojf: Try git checkout HEAD -- <path>
17:45 drojf cool thanks
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17:46 vfernandes i have to go
17:46 vfernandes bye guys
17:47 drojf looks like i have some serious rebasing to do before i try that. meh
17:48 tcohen gmcharlt: i cannot seem to retreive it
17:49 gmcharlt do you still have your local copy of the key?
17:49 tcohen yes
17:50 gmcharlt that's all you need to sign a branch
17:50 tcohen yes, I'm just trying to test my own deb repo
17:50 tcohen which I signed with my private gpg key
17:58 tcohen deb http://ubuntu.unc.edu.ar/koha precise main
17:58 tcohen i'm really happy today
18:07 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10515: (follow-up) fix use of GetBranchCategories <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1fef01adc39e8be5c> / Bug 10515: add regression tests <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]fa5aae3f05a1d1907> / Bug 10515: make behavior of library category fetchers consistent with other fetchers <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb
18:11 oleonard khall: Any idea why diacritics in a patron category description would not be showing up correctly on a patron list?
18:13 pianohacker oleonard: He seems to be out at the moment, but does a SHOW CREATE TABLE have the correct charset on the relevant tables, out of curiosity?
18:15 oleonard CHARSET=utf8
18:17 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1318: SUCCESS in 1 hr 16 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1318/
18:17 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9362: fix query that finds upcoming due loans
18:17 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 10541: enable cross-browser AJAX in additem.js
18:17 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9362 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Wrong query in GetUpcomingDueIssues (Circulation.pm)
18:17 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10541 major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Enable cross-browser AJAX in additem.js
18:17 tcohen gmcharlt: thanks for the info, i just noticed i was writing http:// instead of hkp://
18:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #1319 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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18:25 khall oleonard: you had a question for me?
18:25 oleonard Yes. Any idea why diacritics in a patron category description would not be showing up correctly on a patron list?
18:25 tcohen bye #koha
18:25 tcohen the f*k is that
18:25 tcohen ok, bye!
18:27 khall oleonard: not really. Do we need to tell dbix class to use ut8 maybe? Or could it be a TT issue.
18:27 oleonard I don't know why it would be a TT issue if the data shows up correctly elsewhere.
18:29 khall it's proabably dbix class
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18:32 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
18:32 khall oleonard: where are you seeing the issue? I name a list Théologie and it looks ok
18:33 oleonard It's a diacritic in a patron category description
18:33 rambutan @seen wizzyrea
18:33 huginn` rambutan: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 13 hours, 44 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> if there are any
18:33 * mtompset grins evilly.
18:33 mtompset Have you tried using Internet Explorer, oleonard? ;)
18:34 druthb oooh.  mtompset, that's just mena,
18:34 druthb s/mena/mean/
18:35 * druthb has the dumb today, and cannot type well.
18:35 pianohacker Hey now, we frown upon goddamn filthy language like that in this channel
18:35 mtompset No, mean is following that statement up with one that you clearly set yourself up for. :P
18:35 mtompset I said it was evil.
18:35 * druthb wields pointy stick.
18:36 mtompset Hey, I didn't say anything. I blame the heat. Just cleared a portion of my garage out, so I may actually be able to clean another room in the house.
18:36 druthb one of the things I'm grateful for in my new job…the super-nice Shure headphones they bought me.  I can crank my 80's hair band music up *really loud* and not annoy my neighbors.
18:36 mtompset i.e. relocate the mess.
18:37 * druthb cranks Van Halen up a couple more notches.
18:37 khall oleonard: it's odd, the diacritics looks fine in my list name both as a header and in the lists table, but they aren't showing right in the list patrons table
18:37 mtompset Plus, we all know that IE wouldn't really solve the problem anyways.
18:38 mtompset me throws skittles at druthb. :)
18:38 mtompset Oops. There's my typographical error making. :)
18:39 * druthb laughs derisively.
18:39 khall paulp can usually figure these things out, maybe we should enlist his help.
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19:10 pug Hi Guys
19:11 pug I am putting together a demo of Koha - and need sample data - such that the cover images show up - which requires the ISBN to be there -- and requires that the book is kind of popular enough for Amazon/Google to have the image
19:12 pug On quite some searching I havent been able to find such a sample book database (marc, xls etc.) .. Any pointers?
19:13 pianohacker pug: Have you tried wizzyrea's? https://github.com/wizzyrea/Sc[…]master/MARC21.mrc
19:15 pug cool - no i hadnt - cool - ill quickly import and see!
19:15 pug pioanohacker: are you the person who wrote the script to roll deb packages?
19:18 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10549: (follow-up) make sure ILS-DI GetAvailability response is emitted as UTF-8 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]825f0d45948f484fa> / bug 10549: make the ILS-DI services advertise that they return UTF-8 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c6be557b568778834>
19:19 pianohacker pianohacker: Ah, no. Not sure who that was, though I think it was Robin Sheat
19:19 pianohacker heh
19:19 pianohacker pug: Ah, no. Not sure who that was, though I think it was Robin Sheat
19:20 gmcharlt AKA eythian
19:21 drojf why do subscription email alerts use the same address as from and to? (Letters.pm)
19:21 * cait waves
19:22 cait drojf: they do?
19:22 cait i think i have found them broken in master
19:22 cait you might be onto something
19:22 drojf my %mail = (
19:22 drojf To      => $email,
19:22 drojf From    => $email,
19:22 drojf
19:22 cait didn't work in my latest test
19:22 cait can you check when that changed?
19:22 cait they are working fine in 3.6
19:22 drojf mom
19:23 cait and it would explain why it worked on my dev install...
19:23 cait there it IS the same address hm.
19:23 drojf a9ded4fa (Srdjan Jankovic      2012-03-09 13:22:17 +1300  306)
19:24 cait hm
19:24 drojf unfortunately i lack the skill to find out what patch that was
19:24 cait show <commit>
19:24 cait git show... :)
19:25 drojf oh that was easy. cool
19:25 drojf bug_7001: Issue and Reserve slips are notices.
19:25 pianohacker gmcharlt: Heh, thanks, I had thought that was two separate people :)
19:25 cait pianohacker: it's not really eayy to guess
19:25 cait like people often confuse me with this kf person
19:25 pianohacker oh god I know right
19:26 cait and she is soo weird
19:26 pianohacker yeah, I know what you mean
19:26 pianohacker There's this jesse chap that got pianohacker@gmail.com
19:26 pianohacker and he voluntarily works on the admin interface!
19:26 pianohacker So shameful...
19:26 drojf hm. it was kind of the same before. $borinfo->{email} for both
19:26 cait oh wow yeah
19:26 gmcharlt cait: and it's *really* awkward when you starting arguing with kf
19:27 cait yeah, she always wants to have the last word when we argue
19:27 cait glad she is almost never around the same time as me :)
19:27 cait drojf: hm 3.6 predates the new notices...
19:28 cait which means... nobody except us uses the serial subscription mails? or it's really the to and the reply to adress meant there?
19:28 cait i have no idea
19:28 drojf no it's to and from, there is no other
19:28 cait hm we should fix that then maybe?
19:28 drojf i guess that has been wrong from the beginning
19:29 drojf i don't care about that, i just want to encrypt them :P
19:29 cait tsk
19:29 cait i taught you about git show! you owe me a fix! :P
19:29 drojf i gave you a fix yesterday :P
19:30 mtompset Crypt::Rijndael. :)
19:31 pug pianohacker++ Thanks a ton. Thats a nice marc21 database indeed.
19:31 rambutan For some period of time in the beginning of time I thought pianohacker = Paul Ianohacker
19:31 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1319: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1319/
19:31 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10515: make behavior of library category fetchers consistent with other fetchers
19:31 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10515: add regression tests
19:31 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10515: (follow-up) fix use of GetBranchCategories
19:31 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10515 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The prototype for GetBranchCategory and GetBranchCategories is not consistent
19:31 drojf marc21. nice. hehe
19:31 gmcharlt cait: note that a9ded4fa didn't introduce having the to and from be the same -- Srdjan just implemented existing functionality in a different way
19:31 drojf yes
19:31 pianohacker rambutan: Hah! That's a good one
19:31 drojf it has been weird before
19:31 pianohacker pug: Glad to hear. It have some good cover-image-showing bibs?
19:31 drojf can we go further back with git blame?
19:32 pianohacker drojf: Try git log -p
19:32 pianohacker I honestly much prefer it to git-blame
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19:32 gmcharlt cait: but more generally, I don't see any reason why the from address shouldn't be the library, not the patrnon
19:32 jenkins_koha Starting build #1320 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:32 cait gmcharlt: was asking drojf for the git blame to investaigate a bit more :)
19:32 pug pianohacker - yeah it indeed does! -- like 80% seem to have cover images showing up!
19:32 cait gmcharlt: i think we were wondering about the 2 address
19:33 pianohacker pug: very nice
19:33 cait to address... oh my long day
19:33 cait and it might be totally unrelated... you are right
19:33 cait I was wondering why it didn't work on our 3.12 installation at work, it worked here, so I have it on my list to ask the coworker to check the logs for me... maybe seeing what#s going wrong there
19:33 pug pianohacker - that was quick too. Sorry for the greed - THis was a 500 records- any more pointers? :)
19:34 cait gmcharlt: i think some mail servers might not like if you pretend to send the mail with their address as from?
19:35 cait we have that case here, where a server refuses mails if we try to send them from the library's mail address
19:35 pianohacker pug: You could try exporting some records from the various demo catalogs on koha-community.org
19:35 cait but maybe i am misunderstanding :( it's totally possible
19:35 pianohacker but please do so with a limit, otherwise the sysadmins get grumpy
19:36 gmcharlt pug: if you want LOTS of MARC records, archive.org has several collections
19:36 pug ok - done - ill be civic - thanks!
19:36 pug oh they do? provided as marc or spreadsheet files?
19:36 cait we have lots of german ones available too - but those might be a bit too big :)
19:37 gmcharlt pug: as MARC and/or MARCXML
19:37 drojf cait: if it checks if the addess is allowed/known/whatever it will probably have a hard time if it is the to-address ;)
19:37 cait https://wiki.bsz-bw.de/doku.ph[…]:openaccess:start
19:37 cait drojf: i am all confused between from and to now.
19:37 drojf the from should be yours and the to the patron
19:38 pug cait - nope - cant take german!
19:39 cait drojf: didn't you say from and to where the same aka the patron's?
19:39 drojf cait: it is From    =>  $branchdetails->{'branchemail'} || C4::Context->preference("KohaAdminEmailAddress"), in another sub
19:39 cait and i should not try and be active in discussions so soon after getting home
19:39 drojf drojf: yes, they are in that one case
19:39 drojf that is the error ;)
19:39 gmcharlt drojf: you're talking to yourself ;)
19:39 drojf oh
19:39 pug gmcharlt -- thanks -- archive.org indeed has a large collection ! -- I think ill add my findings to the koha-wiki --- the entries there arent as impressive
19:39 drojf lol
19:39 cait gmcharlt: be nice, he is working so hard
19:39 drojf cait ^^
19:40 cait to fix my bugs :)
19:40 gmcharlt drojf++
19:40 pug gmcharlt++
19:40 drojf cait co-confused me
19:40 cait i am good at that :)
19:40 cait guess when i log in... wahanui should call out a warning to everyone
19:41 pug bye guys - thanks again!
19:41 mtompset "Hear ye! Hear ye! Cait the Confuser has arrived."
19:41 * mtompset grins.
19:42 gmcharlt cait: that'a actually possible, btw, with huggin's Herald module
19:42 cait ohoh
19:43 drojf i don't think we should have 3 or 4 different subs to send emails…
19:43 cait gmcharlt: reading back i see that i misread your comment *sigh*
19:43 cait I forgot to drink water today... will blame anything on that
19:43 cait or some other excuses
19:43 cait excuse?
19:43 wahanui cait: The server at bofh.engr.wisc.edu (port 666) appears to be down.
19:43 cait hm, that used to wrok better
19:43 drojf you can still drink water now ;)
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19:44 cait working on it :)
19:44 pianohacker cait: Quick question: Now that I have a follow-up on bug 10320, should I mark it as "needs signoff" again?
19:44 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10320 enhancement, P4, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Show results from library's OverDrive collection in OPAC search
19:44 cait pianohacker: are you trying to make use of my confusedness? :)
19:45 pianohacker not intentionally. That was an honest question :)
19:45 cait pianohacker: hm the follow up needs some work actually
19:45 cait because i think there is a test that will start screaming if you don't use " instead of '
19:45 cait at least this was discussed
19:45 cait and I'd remove the extra spaces
19:45 pianohacker Haha, kk. Will do. After I fix that, what should I do?
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19:45 cait _( 'Availability' ) = _("Availability")
19:46 cait pianohacker: i am a bit torn :) - problem is that we probably can't really test without overdrive?
19:46 mtompset But single quotes is perl-critic friendlier. :)
19:47 cait mtompset: yeah, but not in javascript trnaslation strings
19:47 cait because of translations
19:47 cait :)
19:47 cait if a french library translates and does use ' somewhere... it will break the javascript
19:47 pianohacker cait: Yes, that's why we tested with a client for signoff
19:48 cait yeah, not sure how to qa it :)
19:48 cait probably can only do a regression tst
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19:49 cait pianohacker: outof curiosity - you don't have screenshots somewhere how it looks like?
19:49 cait might be nice for the release notes later too
19:49 pianohacker ahh, I don't, but nengard does
19:50 oleonard Oh yeah I've been meaning to test that too. We've got OverDrive.
19:50 pianohacker oleonard: Excellent!
19:50 gmcharlt IMO, it would be appropriate for whoever is QAing it to temporarily borrow an API key
19:50 drojf if they want to be integrated in the phantastic koha ils they should provide some free accounts :P
19:53 cait gmcharlt: maybe if oleonard did another test? we could gather some more sign offs
19:53 cait lots of it seems to be css, js and templates
19:54 gmcharlt either they cough up, or they won't get API support added to Koha for lack of independent testing; note that I'm  *not* suggesting that  keys be shared publicly
19:54 cait and a new module, but i guess that's unlikely to break something else :)
19:54 cait :)
19:54 cait gmcharlt++ :)
19:54 oleonard I'm sure OverDrive couldn't care less.
19:55 pianohacker They're an ebook provider, not caring is their business model
19:55 gmcharlt but certainly, if oleonard's library has OverDrive (and support for that API, if it's a separate thing), his QAing is good enough for me
19:55 pianohacker gmcharlt: But yeah, I agree with you wholeheartedly from a project standpoint, if not a business one
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19:59 pianohacker oleonard: Many thanks. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help
20:00 drojf can somebody tell me if gpg on ubuntu is a) installed by default and b) resides at /usr/bin/gpg ?
20:00 drojf maybe tcohen knows?
20:00 tcohen gnupg
20:01 drojf tcohen: the binary is called gnupg on ubuntu?
20:01 tcohen no, its package's name
20:01 mtompset What tcohen said. :)
20:01 tcohen both questions seem correct
20:02 drojf thanks1
20:02 mtompset drojf: Is this for one of your patches?
20:02 drojf !
20:03 drojf mtompset: yes. i was wondering if it will work out of the box. i'd like to have email encryption without the library doing anything to enable it if possible
20:03 drojf so you don't have to ask and it just works
20:03 mtompset Ah.
20:04 tcohen are you adding a configuration tab for email settings?
20:06 drojf it was in admin.pref in the first draft. or do you mean for the opac side? there needs to be a place for patrons to put their public key
20:07 drojf since it is probably only the path to gpg a whole new tab in the staff client is a little much
20:10 tcohen heh, I miss an SMTP section for setting everything emailrelated
20:12 drojf it would be nice if koha would magically make emails work
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20:16 drojf http://foaas.herokuapp.com/you/Letters.pm/drojf
20:16 drojf foaas and i will have a great future together
20:17 gmcharlt drojf: we are SO not turning Koha into an MTA! ;)
20:17 drojf gmcharlt: awwww :P
20:18 oleonard Later #koha
20:18 * cait formally aplogoizes for all people confused by her today... and this week
20:18 cait hm to all...
20:19 cait can't even get the apologies right :)
20:19 drojf :P
20:20 drojf cait++
20:20 cait hmpf :)
20:22 druthb cait++
20:22 cait druthb!
20:23 drojf druthb!
20:23 druthb druthb!
20:24 druthb :P
20:24 * druthb is confused by cait's confused apology.
20:24 cait druthb: then it worked again i guess
20:27 cait pondering the fact the channel is logged i am going to only confuse people in pm now I think
20:27 cait :)
20:27 druthb no, what confused me, is that you think an apology is needed.
20:28 cait druthb: you haven#t spend enough time here today :)
20:28 cait mtj++ Joubu++
20:32 druthb cait:  caitsnack cookie!
20:34 cait thx :)
20:34 tcohen argentinian cookies with mate for cait
20:34 cait heh
20:34 cait that sounds dangerous!
20:35 tcohen not at all
20:36 drojf oooh i want mate cookies!
20:37 tcohen no no, argentinian cookies would have dulce de leche, and mate is a beverage
20:40 * druthb packs up her gear, and heads for home.
20:40 drojf mate is a beverage here too ;) there is a soft drin with yerba mate extract
20:40 drojf drink
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20:42 tcohen r u kidding? where do i have do travel to give it a try?
20:42 drojf it's pretty big in germany nowadays. there are more and more brands actually
20:43 cait tcohen: an you are very welcome to come and visit :)
20:43 drojf well, big among nerds and hackers… :D but it's getting mainstream
20:43 drojf and it was sold out at the supermarket today :( no idea how i am supposed to wake up tomorrow
20:44 tcohen heh
20:44 drojf they sell it in supermarkets. like, looots of cases. it's ridiculous. a few years ago you had to hunt single bottles in a few small shops across town
20:45 drojf haha. it has an english wikipedia entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_mate
20:45 pianohacker drojf: Do they have malta, by any chance? If we're going for crazy soda, that one's the one I know
20:46 drojf never heard of it i think
20:46 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1320: SUCCESS in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1320/
20:46 jenkins_koha * Mirko Tietgen: bug 10549: make the ILS-DI services advertise that they return UTF-8
20:46 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10549: (follow-up) make sure ILS-DI GetAvailability response is emitted as UTF-8
20:46 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10549 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Master , ILS-DI should not use ISO-8851-9 encoding
20:46 pianohacker tcohen: Is malta a thing at all in argentina?
20:46 pianohacker http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malta_(soft_drink)
20:47 tcohen Malta == Malt
20:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #1321 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:48 tcohen never heard of a soda consisting of Mal pianohacker
20:48 drojf ah, malt beer. we have that too
20:48 mtompset In Canada there have been caffeine deaths. Now I can't find the Rage Inferno at the Dollar store anymore.
20:48 pianohacker non-alcoholic, but pretty good
20:48 mtompset 375mg of caffeine!
20:48 pianohacker _lords_
20:48 drojf omg
20:49 pianohacker Really only two cups of coffee, but that's still nuts
20:49 drojf i think you can easily die from 5g or something
20:49 mtompset That's the problem. These teens were chugging them back.
20:49 pianohacker I've heard as low as 2g, but we college students can probably push that limit up a bit :P
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20:49 drojf lol
20:50 mtompset Ah... it even had a nice warning on it to NOT chug it.
20:50 pianohacker ....
20:50 drojf great, give those little idiots ideas
20:50 pianohacker that's like telling someone to never push the big red button
20:50 drojf exactly
20:50 pianohacker "oh, hey, I didn't see that big red button before, thanks!"
20:52 drojf oh
20:52 drojf i think i got a problem. we have that OverdueNoticeBcc option
20:53 drojf if i send an encrypted email to my patron and tell them "great, this email is so secure!" and then send a copy unencrypted back to the library… that does not make sense
20:54 cait you could put in a note that the library received an unencrypted copy ;)
20:54 cait yeah i know.. not helpful
20:54 mtompset http://youtu.be/tkm9sjFtUr0 (Rage Inferno review)
20:54 * cait goes back to nibbling mate cookies
20:55 drojf if i send an encrypted copy to the library they will be very confused… especially when they do not know about the encryption stuff that is supposed to work without them doing anything
20:55 drojf i'd say patron's wish>library bcc. but the library might disagree
20:56 drojf lol mtompset. that… container looks very attractive
20:59 drojf hmm. what is the bcc email really for? to prove that an overdue email was sent, right? or is it really about what is in there? or something else that i am missing?
21:01 mtompset http://www.energyfiend.com/the-caffeine-database
21:01 mtompset sort on caffeine. ;)
21:01 cait i think it's to prove, but you could achieve the same goal with reports i think
21:01 cait it's just something people feel more comfortable with
21:01 cait but from a privacy point of view... probably not so nice?
21:02 drojf but the encrypted mail would prove it… or not?
21:02 cait maybe ifit#s an encrypted mail... you could just send a note that an encrypted mail for borrowernumber x was sent out?
21:02 cait not sure.
21:03 cait right, back to the mate cookies for me :)
21:03 cait tcohen: how many of those cookies will it need?
21:03 tcohen hm what?
21:06 drojf 16000mg of caffeine??
21:06 cait tcohen: to make me less confused :)
21:07 drojf hahaha death wish coffee
21:09 tcohen 1mg less than fatal
21:09 drojf cait: i think i will go with your option of sending a message that the patron opted in for encryotion and a message was sent accordingly
21:09 drojf that seems like the less confusing thing to do
21:09 drojf see, you can unconfuse too ;)
21:10 cait drojf: i was just about to tell you to not listen to me :)
21:10 drojf too late
21:10 cait oh what have i done...
21:11 drojf git blame cait -> "cait told me to do it" in every line
21:15 cait hm
21:16 drojf excellent name btw. overduenoticebcc. given that it is used for all messages
21:17 cait it grew into that task
21:17 drojf …not just overdues :O
21:17 drojf lol
21:17 cait but you are right about that
21:17 cait you should file a bug
21:17 cait it's one of the prefs that should be renamed for the right reason
21:18 drojf when filing a but is more work than doing a patch… :/ maybe tomorrow
21:18 pianohacker drojf: Or polish up the .pref for it a bit :)
21:18 pianohacker That's about 30% of the reason for it, is confusingly-named sysprefs
21:20 drojf i wonder how long it will take until the first library will ask how to prevent patrons from getting encrypted emails so they have a nice bcc
21:21 drojf bonus points if they got the NSA in bcc :D
21:21 cait ouch
21:22 wizzyrea heh.
21:23 cait wizzyrea: no holds questions to night - but i might still be confusing :)
21:23 wizzyrea heh
21:23 cait how is wellington today?
21:23 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn
21:23 huginn` wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (9:00 AM NZST on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
21:23 wizzyrea ncie
21:23 wizzyrea nice.
21:24 tcohen hi wizzyrea
21:25 wizzyrea hi
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21:31 pianohacker wizzyrea: Assuming that the patch for bug 8133 addressed your concerns, should I mark it as "Needs signoff", or what's the procedure
21:31 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8133 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , hourly loans doesn't know when library closed
21:31 pianohacker ?
21:31 wizzyrea ah yep
21:31 wizzyrea needs signoff
21:31 wahanui i guess needs signoff is trending the wrong way, we
21:31 wizzyrea forget needs signoff
21:31 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot needs signoff
21:32 wizzyrea though I think I tried to get that and I couldn't get it to apply
21:32 wizzyrea let me try again
21:33 wizzyrea Repository lacks necessary blobs to fall back on 3-way merge.
21:34 wizzyrea let me try again
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21:42 wizzyrea ok sorry that was me
21:42 wizzyrea let me check it
21:44 * cait hands wizzyrea some of tcohen's mate cookies
21:45 wizzyrea thanks
21:45 wizzyrea if I could get above 70% of things done that don't have ridiculous mistakes, it would be a good day.
21:46 cait wizzyrea: i am sure you will and can totally understand that wish
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21:52 rambutan wizzyrea: I see Dan Alexander is presenting at LITA this year on 3D digital creation. Know him?
21:52 wizzyrea yep
21:52 wizzyrea should be a good show.
21:53 rambutan LITA is right after KohaCon, don't know if I can go to LITA or not
22:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1321: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1321/
22:00 wizzyrea pianohacker, can you tell me if this test is sane - if I check out a book with a 1 hour circ limit, and a calendar event that says the library closes at 10:30 (it's 10am now)
22:00 wizzyrea even with a 1 hour circ, the book should still be due at 10:30
22:00 wizzyrea this is what the bug is about, right?
22:00 pianohacker Ahhhh, if daysMode is set to Calendar, yes.
22:00 pianohacker *useDaysMode
22:01 wizzyrea good, that's what I hoped ;)
22:01 wizzyrea because that works just fine. :)
22:06 pianohacker Cool
22:07 pianohacker The other part of it is setting UseDaysMode to Datedue, which streches the loan period over open days
22:07 pianohacker so if you have the open time for the day after set to 11:30, and you check it out now, it would be do at about 12:10 tomorrow
22:07 pianohacker s/do/due
22:18 wizzyrea oo
22:18 wizzyrea i will check that too
22:22 cait hm
22:22 jcamins @wunder 11375
22:22 huginn` jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 30.1°C (6:16 PM EDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect until 8 PM EDT Friday...
22:22 jcamins @wunder dothan, al
22:22 huginn` jcamins: The current temperature in Dothan, Alabama is 32.1°C (5:21 PM CDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1021 hPa (Falling).
22:22 jcamins If only it were going to stay cooler in NYC.
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22:44 tcohen night #koha
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22:56 mtompset Greetings, papa.
22:57 mtompset Thanks for the feedback on the bug.
22:57 mtompset Greetings, dcook.
22:57 papa no worries :0
22:57 dcook hey mtompset
22:57 wahanui mtompset is, like, disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs
22:57 dcook morning #koha
22:57 mtompset I put up a revised patch.
22:58 mtompset I think it is much cleaner as a result. :)
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23:57 papa p[ing mtompset
23:58 papa ping that is
23:58 mtompset ping.
23:59 papa hey, you did not put an if $biblionumber) {} around GetItemsInfo
23:59 mtompset No, but your complaint was that a dbh call was made. And since the responsibility for the dbh call is in that function, I didn't do t.

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