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23:59 mtompset No, but your complaint was that a dbh call was made. And since the responsibility for the dbh call is in that function, I didn't do t.
23:59 papa hey, you did not put an if $biblionumber) {} around GetItemsInfo
23:58 mtompset ping.
23:58 papa ping that is
23:57 papa p[ing mtompset
22:58 mtompset I think it is much cleaner as a result. :)
22:57 mtompset I put up a revised patch.
22:57 dcook morning #koha
22:57 wahanui mtompset is, like, disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs
22:57 dcook hey mtompset
22:57 papa no worries :0
22:57 mtompset Greetings, dcook.
22:57 mtompset Thanks for the feedback on the bug.
22:56 mtompset Greetings, papa.
22:44 tcohen night #koha
22:22 jcamins If only it were going to stay cooler in NYC.
22:22 huginn` jcamins: The current temperature in Dothan, Alabama is 32.1°C (5:21 PM CDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1021 hPa (Falling).
22:22 jcamins @wunder dothan, al
22:22 huginn` jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 30.1°C (6:16 PM EDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect until 8 PM EDT Friday...
22:22 jcamins @wunder 11375
22:22 cait hm
22:18 wizzyrea i will check that too
22:18 wizzyrea oo
22:07 pianohacker s/do/due
22:07 pianohacker so if you have the open time for the day after set to 11:30, and you check it out now, it would be do at about 12:10 tomorrow
22:07 pianohacker The other part of it is setting UseDaysMode to Datedue, which streches the loan period over open days
22:06 pianohacker Cool
22:01 wizzyrea because that works just fine. :)
22:01 wizzyrea good, that's what I hoped ;)
22:00 pianohacker *useDaysMode
22:00 pianohacker Ahhhh, if daysMode is set to Calendar, yes.
22:00 wizzyrea this is what the bug is about, right?
22:00 wizzyrea even with a 1 hour circ, the book should still be due at 10:30
22:00 wizzyrea pianohacker, can you tell me if this test is sane - if I check out a book with a 1 hour circ limit, and a calendar event that says the library closes at 10:30 (it's 10am now)
22:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1321: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1321/
21:53 rambutan LITA is right after KohaCon, don't know if I can go to LITA or not
21:52 wizzyrea should be a good show.
21:52 wizzyrea yep
21:52 rambutan wizzyrea: I see Dan Alexander is presenting at LITA this year on 3D digital creation. Know him?
21:46 cait wizzyrea: i am sure you will and can totally understand that wish
21:45 wizzyrea if I could get above 70% of things done that don't have ridiculous mistakes, it would be a good day.
21:45 wizzyrea thanks
21:44 * cait hands wizzyrea some of tcohen's mate cookies
21:42 wizzyrea let me check it
21:42 wizzyrea ok sorry that was me
21:34 wizzyrea let me try again
21:33 wizzyrea Repository lacks necessary blobs to fall back on 3-way merge.
21:32 wizzyrea let me try again
21:32 wizzyrea though I think I tried to get that and I couldn't get it to apply
21:31 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot needs signoff
21:31 wizzyrea forget needs signoff
21:31 wahanui i guess needs signoff is trending the wrong way, we
21:31 wizzyrea needs signoff
21:31 wizzyrea ah yep
21:31 pianohacker ?
21:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8133 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , hourly loans doesn't know when library closed
21:31 pianohacker wizzyrea: Assuming that the patch for bug 8133 addressed your concerns, should I mark it as "Needs signoff", or what's the procedure
21:25 wizzyrea hi
21:24 tcohen hi wizzyrea
21:23 wizzyrea nice.
21:23 wizzyrea ncie
21:23 huginn` wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (9:00 AM NZST on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
21:23 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn
21:23 cait how is wellington today?
21:23 wizzyrea heh
21:23 cait wizzyrea: no holds questions to night - but i might still be confusing :)
21:22 wizzyrea heh.
21:21 cait ouch
21:21 drojf bonus points if they got the NSA in bcc :D
21:20 drojf i wonder how long it will take until the first library will ask how to prevent patrons from getting encrypted emails so they have a nice bcc
21:18 pianohacker That's about 30% of the reason for it, is confusingly-named sysprefs
21:18 pianohacker drojf: Or polish up the .pref for it a bit :)
21:18 drojf when filing a but is more work than doing a patch… :/ maybe tomorrow
21:17 cait it's one of the prefs that should be renamed for the right reason
21:17 cait you should file a bug
21:17 cait but you are right about that
21:17 drojf lol
21:17 drojf …not just overdues :O
21:17 cait it grew into that task
21:16 drojf excellent name btw. overduenoticebcc. given that it is used for all messages
21:15 cait hm
21:11 drojf git blame cait -> "cait told me to do it" in every line
21:10 cait oh what have i done...
21:10 drojf too late
21:10 cait drojf: i was just about to tell you to not listen to me :)
21:09 drojf see, you can unconfuse too ;)
21:09 drojf that seems like the less confusing thing to do
21:09 drojf cait: i think i will go with your option of sending a message that the patron opted in for encryotion and a message was sent accordingly
21:09 tcohen 1mg less than fatal
21:07 drojf hahaha death wish coffee
21:06 cait tcohen: to make me less confused :)
21:06 drojf 16000mg of caffeine??
21:03 tcohen hm what?
21:03 cait tcohen: how many of those cookies will it need?
21:03 cait right, back to the mate cookies for me :)
21:02 cait not sure.
21:02 cait maybe ifit#s an encrypted mail... you could just send a note that an encrypted mail for borrowernumber x was sent out?
21:02 drojf but the encrypted mail would prove it… or not?
21:01 cait but from a privacy point of view... probably not so nice?
21:01 cait it's just something people feel more comfortable with
21:01 cait i think it's to prove, but you could achieve the same goal with reports i think
21:01 mtompset sort on caffeine. ;)
21:01 mtompset http://www.energyfiend.com/the-caffeine-database
20:59 drojf hmm. what is the bcc email really for? to prove that an overdue email was sent, right? or is it really about what is in there? or something else that i am missing?
20:56 drojf lol mtompset. that… container looks very attractive
20:55 drojf i'd say patron's wish>library bcc. but the library might disagree
20:55 drojf if i send an encrypted copy to the library they will be very confused… especially when they do not know about the encryption stuff that is supposed to work without them doing anything
20:54 * cait goes back to nibbling mate cookies
20:54 mtompset http://youtu.be/tkm9sjFtUr0 (Rage Inferno review)
20:54 cait yeah i know.. not helpful
20:54 cait you could put in a note that the library received an unencrypted copy ;)
20:53 drojf if i send an encrypted email to my patron and tell them "great, this email is so secure!" and then send a copy unencrypted back to the library… that does not make sense
20:52 drojf i think i got a problem. we have that OverdueNoticeBcc option
20:52 drojf oh
20:50 pianohacker "oh, hey, I didn't see that big red button before, thanks!"
20:50 drojf exactly
20:50 pianohacker that's like telling someone to never push the big red button
20:50 drojf great, give those little idiots ideas
20:50 pianohacker ....
20:50 mtompset Ah... it even had a nice warning on it to NOT chug it.
20:49 drojf lol
20:49 pianohacker I've heard as low as 2g, but we college students can probably push that limit up a bit :P
20:49 mtompset That's the problem. These teens were chugging them back.
20:49 drojf i think you can easily die from 5g or something
20:49 pianohacker Really only two cups of coffee, but that's still nuts
20:48 drojf omg
20:48 pianohacker _lords_
20:48 mtompset 375mg of caffeine!
20:48 pianohacker non-alcoholic, but pretty good
20:48 mtompset In Canada there have been caffeine deaths. Now I can't find the Rage Inferno at the Dollar store anymore.
20:48 drojf ah, malt beer. we have that too
20:48 tcohen never heard of a soda consisting of Mal pianohacker
20:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #1321 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:47 tcohen Malta == Malt
20:46 pianohacker http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malta_(soft_drink)
20:46 pianohacker tcohen: Is malta a thing at all in argentina?
20:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10549 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Master , ILS-DI should not use ISO-8851-9 encoding
20:46 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10549: (follow-up) make sure ILS-DI GetAvailability response is emitted as UTF-8
20:46 jenkins_koha * Mirko Tietgen: bug 10549: make the ILS-DI services advertise that they return UTF-8
20:46 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1320: SUCCESS in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1320/
20:46 drojf never heard of it i think
20:45 pianohacker drojf: Do they have malta, by any chance? If we're going for crazy soda, that one's the one I know
20:45 drojf haha. it has an english wikipedia entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_mate
20:44 drojf they sell it in supermarkets. like, looots of cases. it's ridiculous. a few years ago you had to hunt single bottles in a few small shops across town
20:44 tcohen heh
20:43 drojf and it was sold out at the supermarket today :( no idea how i am supposed to wake up tomorrow
20:43 drojf well, big among nerds and hackers… :D but it's getting mainstream
20:43 cait tcohen: an you are very welcome to come and visit :)
20:42 drojf it's pretty big in germany nowadays. there are more and more brands actually
20:42 tcohen r u kidding? where do i have do travel to give it a try?
20:40 drojf drink
20:40 drojf mate is a beverage here too ;) there is a soft drin with yerba mate extract
20:40 * druthb packs up her gear, and heads for home.
20:37 tcohen no no, argentinian cookies would have dulce de leche, and mate is a beverage
20:36 drojf oooh i want mate cookies!
20:35 tcohen not at all
20:34 cait that sounds dangerous!
20:34 cait heh
20:34 tcohen argentinian cookies with mate for cait
20:34 cait thx :)
20:32 druthb cait: caitsnack cookie!
20:28 cait mtj++ Joubu++
20:28 cait druthb: you haven#t spend enough time here today :)
20:27 druthb no, what confused me, is that you think an apology is needed.
20:27 cait :)
20:27 cait pondering the fact the channel is logged i am going to only confuse people in pm now I think
20:24 cait druthb: then it worked again i guess
20:24 * druthb is confused by cait's confused apology.
20:24 druthb :P
20:23 druthb druthb!
20:23 drojf druthb!
20:22 cait druthb!
20:22 druthb cait++
20:20 cait hmpf :)
20:20 drojf cait++
20:19 drojf :P
20:19 cait can't even get the apologies right :)
20:18 cait hm to all...
20:18 * cait formally aplogoizes for all people confused by her today... and this week
20:18 oleonard Later #koha
20:17 drojf gmcharlt: awwww :P
20:17 gmcharlt drojf: we are SO not turning Koha into an MTA! ;)
20:16 drojf foaas and i will have a great future together
20:16 drojf http://foaas.herokuapp.com/you/Letters.pm/drojf
20:12 drojf it would be nice if koha would magically make emails work
20:10 tcohen heh, I miss an SMTP section for setting everything emailrelated
20:07 drojf since it is probably only the path to gpg a whole new tab in the staff client is a little much
20:06 drojf it was in admin.pref in the first draft. or do you mean for the opac side? there needs to be a place for patrons to put their public key
20:04 tcohen are you adding a configuration tab for email settings?
20:03 mtompset Ah.
20:03 drojf so you don't have to ask and it just works
20:03 drojf mtompset: yes. i was wondering if it will work out of the box. i'd like to have email encryption without the library doing anything to enable it if possible
20:02 drojf !
20:02 mtompset drojf: Is this for one of your patches?
20:02 drojf thanks1
20:01 tcohen both questions seem correct
20:01 mtompset What tcohen said. :)
20:01 tcohen no, its package's name
20:01 drojf tcohen: the binary is called gnupg on ubuntu?
20:00 tcohen gnupg
20:00 drojf maybe tcohen knows?
20:00 drojf can somebody tell me if gpg on ubuntu is a) installed by default and b) resides at /usr/bin/gpg ?
19:59 pianohacker oleonard: Many thanks. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help
19:55 pianohacker gmcharlt: But yeah, I agree with you wholeheartedly from a project standpoint, if not a business one
19:55 gmcharlt but certainly, if oleonard's library has OverDrive (and support for that API, if it's a separate thing), his QAing is good enough for me
19:55 pianohacker They're an ebook provider, not caring is their business model
19:54 oleonard I'm sure OverDrive couldn't care less.
19:54 cait gmcharlt++ :)
19:54 cait :)
19:54 cait and a new module, but i guess that's unlikely to break something else :)
19:54 gmcharlt either they cough up, or they won't get API support added to Koha for lack of independent testing; note that I'm *not* suggesting that keys be shared publicly
19:53 cait lots of it seems to be css, js and templates
19:53 cait gmcharlt: maybe if oleonard did another test? we could gather some more sign offs
19:52 pianohacker [off] gmcharlt: I can try, but OverDrive is _very_ paranoid about their API keys, for whatever reason
19:50 drojf if they want to be integrated in the phantastic koha ils they should provide some free accounts :P
19:50 gmcharlt IMO, it would be appropriate for whoever is QAing it to temporarily borrow an API key
19:50 pianohacker oleonard: Excellent!
19:50 oleonard Oh yeah I've been meaning to test that too. We've got OverDrive.
19:49 pianohacker ahh, I don't, but nengard does
19:49 cait might be nice for the release notes later too
19:49 cait pianohacker: outof curiosity - you don't have screenshots somewhere how it looks like?
19:48 cait probably can only do a regression tst
19:48 cait yeah, not sure how to qa it :)
19:47 pianohacker cait: Yes, that's why we tested with a client for signoff
19:47 cait if a french library translates and does use ' somewhere... it will break the javascript
19:47 cait :)
19:47 cait because of translations
19:47 cait mtompset: yeah, but not in javascript trnaslation strings
19:46 mtompset But single quotes is perl-critic friendlier. :)
19:46 cait pianohacker: i am a bit torn :) - problem is that we probably can't really test without overdrive?
19:45 cait _( 'Availability' ) = _("Availability")
19:45 pianohacker Haha, kk. Will do. After I fix that, what should I do?
19:45 cait and I'd remove the extra spaces
19:45 cait at least this was discussed
19:45 cait because i think there is a test that will start screaming if you don't use " instead of '
19:45 cait pianohacker: hm the follow up needs some work actually
19:45 pianohacker not intentionally. That was an honest question :)
19:44 cait pianohacker: are you trying to make use of my confusedness? :)
19:44 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10320 enhancement, P4, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Show results from library's OverDrive collection in OPAC search
19:44 pianohacker cait: Quick question: Now that I have a follow-up on bug 10320, should I mark it as "needs signoff" again?
19:44 cait working on it :)
19:43 drojf you can still drink water now ;)
19:43 cait hm, that used to wrok better
19:43 wahanui cait: The server at bofh.engr.wisc.edu (port 666) appears to be down.
19:43 cait excuse?
19:43 cait or some other excuses
19:43 cait I forgot to drink water today... will blame anything on that
19:43 cait gmcharlt: reading back i see that i misread your comment *sigh*
19:43 drojf i don't think we should have 3 or 4 different subs to send emails…
19:42 cait ohoh
19:42 gmcharlt cait: that'a actually possible, btw, with huggin's Herald module
19:41 * mtompset grins.
19:41 mtompset "Hear ye! Hear ye! Cait the Confuser has arrived."
19:41 pug bye guys - thanks again!
19:40 cait guess when i log in... wahanui should call out a warning to everyone
19:40 cait i am good at that :)
19:40 drojf cait co-confused me
19:40 pug gmcharlt++
19:40 gmcharlt drojf++
19:40 cait to fix my bugs :)
19:39 drojf cait ^^
19:39 cait gmcharlt: be nice, he is working so hard
19:39 drojf lol
19:39 pug gmcharlt -- thanks -- archive.org indeed has a large collection ! -- I think ill add my findings to the koha-wiki --- the entries there arent as impressive
19:39 drojf oh
19:39 gmcharlt drojf: you're talking to yourself ;)
19:39 drojf that is the error ;)
19:39 drojf drojf: yes, they are in that one case
19:39 cait and i should not try and be active in discussions so soon after getting home
19:39 drojf cait: it is From => $branchdetails->{'branchemail'} || C4::Context->preference("KohaAdminEmailAddress"), in another sub
19:39 cait drojf: didn't you say from and to where the same aka the patron's?
19:38 pug cait - nope - cant take german!
19:37 drojf the from should be yours and the to the patron
19:37 cait drojf: i am all confused between from and to now.
19:37 cait https://wiki.bsz-bw.de/doku.php?id=v-team:daten:openaccess:start
19:37 drojf cait: if it checks if the addess is allowed/known/whatever it will probably have a hard time if it is the to-address ;)
19:37 gmcharlt pug: as MARC and/or MARCXML
19:36 cait we have lots of german ones available too - but those might be a bit too big :)
19:36 pug oh they do? provided as marc or spreadsheet files?
19:36 pug ok - done - ill be civic - thanks!
19:36 gmcharlt pug: if you want LOTS of MARC records, archive.org has several collections
19:35 pianohacker but please do so with a limit, otherwise the sysadmins get grumpy
19:35 cait but maybe i am misunderstanding :( it's totally possible
19:35 pianohacker pug: You could try exporting some records from the various demo catalogs on koha-community.org
19:35 cait we have that case here, where a server refuses mails if we try to send them from the library's mail address
19:34 cait gmcharlt: i think some mail servers might not like if you pretend to send the mail with their address as from?
19:33 pug pianohacker - that was quick too. Sorry for the greed - THis was a 500 records- any more pointers? :)
19:33 cait I was wondering why it didn't work on our 3.12 installation at work, it worked here, so I have it on my list to ask the coworker to check the logs for me... maybe seeing what#s going wrong there
19:33 cait and it might be totally unrelated... you are right
19:33 cait to address... oh my long day
19:33 pianohacker pug: very nice
19:32 cait gmcharlt: i think we were wondering about the 2 address
19:32 pug pianohacker - yeah it indeed does! -- like 80% seem to have cover images showing up!
19:32 cait gmcharlt: was asking drojf for the git blame to investaigate a bit more :)
19:32 jenkins_koha Starting build #1320 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:32 gmcharlt cait: but more generally, I don't see any reason why the from address shouldn't be the library, not the patrnon
19:32 pianohacker I honestly much prefer it to git-blame
19:32 pianohacker drojf: Try git log -p
19:31 drojf can we go further back with git blame?
19:31 pianohacker pug: Glad to hear. It have some good cover-image-showing bibs?
19:31 drojf it has been weird before
19:31 pianohacker rambutan: Hah! That's a good one
19:31 drojf yes
19:31 gmcharlt cait: note that a9ded4fa didn't introduce having the to and from be the same -- Srdjan just implemented existing functionality in a different way
19:31 drojf marc21. nice. hehe
19:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10515 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The prototype for GetBranchCategory and GetBranchCategories is not consistent
19:31 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10515: (follow-up) fix use of GetBranchCategories
19:31 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10515: add regression tests
19:31 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10515: make behavior of library category fetchers consistent with other fetchers
19:31 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1319: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1319/
19:31 rambutan For some period of time in the beginning of time I thought pianohacker = Paul Ianohacker
19:31 pug pianohacker++ Thanks a ton. Thats a nice marc21 database indeed.
19:30 mtompset Crypt::Rijndael. :)
19:29 drojf i gave you a fix yesterday :P
19:29 cait i taught you about git show! you owe me a fix! :P
19:29 cait tsk
19:29 drojf i don't care about that, i just want to encrypt them :P
19:28 drojf i guess that has been wrong from the beginning
19:28 cait hm we should fix that then maybe?
19:28 drojf no it's to and from, there is no other
19:28 cait i have no idea
19:28 cait which means... nobody except us uses the serial subscription mails? or it's really the to and the reply to adress meant there?
19:27 cait drojf: hm 3.6 predates the new notices...
19:27 cait glad she is almost never around the same time as me :)
19:27 cait yeah, she always wants to have the last word when we argue
19:26 gmcharlt cait: and it's *really* awkward when you starting arguing with kf
19:26 cait oh wow yeah
19:26 drojf hm. it was kind of the same before. $borinfo->{email} for both
19:26 pianohacker So shameful...
19:26 pianohacker and he voluntarily works on the admin interface!
19:26 pianohacker There's this jesse chap that got pianohacker@gmail.com
19:26 pianohacker yeah, I know what you mean
19:26 cait and she is soo weird
19:25 pianohacker oh god I know right
19:25 cait like people often confuse me with this kf person
19:25 cait pianohacker: it's not really eayy to guess
19:25 pianohacker gmcharlt: Heh, thanks, I had thought that was two separate people :)
19:25 drojf bug_7001: Issue and Reserve slips are notices.
19:25 drojf oh that was easy. cool
19:24 cait git show... :)
19:24 cait show <commit>
19:24 drojf unfortunately i lack the skill to find out what patch that was
19:24 cait hm
19:23 drojf a9ded4fa (Srdjan Jankovic 2012-03-09 13:22:17 +1300 306)
19:23 cait there it IS the same address hm.
19:23 cait and it would explain why it worked on my dev install...
19:22 drojf mom
19:22 cait they are working fine in 3.6
19:22 cait can you check when that changed?
19:22 cait didn't work in my latest test
19:22 drojf …
19:22 drojf From => $email,
19:22 drojf To => $email,
19:22 drojf my %mail = (
19:22 cait you might be onto something
19:22 cait i think i have found them broken in master
19:22 cait drojf: they do?
19:21 * cait waves
19:21 drojf why do subscription email alerts use the same address as from and to? (Letters.pm)
19:20 gmcharlt AKA eythian
19:19 pianohacker pug: Ah, no. Not sure who that was, though I think it was Robin Sheat
19:19 pianohacker heh
19:19 pianohacker pianohacker: Ah, no. Not sure who that was, though I think it was Robin Sheat
19:18 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10549: (follow-up) make sure ILS-DI GetAvailability response is emitted as UTF-8 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=da6f2f7a7ddf1126d6e3b02825f0d45948f484fa> / bug 10549: make the ILS-DI services advertise that they return UTF-8 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2a1d0fc6d2d2674d4182ed1c6be557b568778834>
19:15 pug pioanohacker: are you the person who wrote the script to roll deb packages?
19:15 pug cool - no i hadnt - cool - ill quickly import and see!
19:13 pianohacker pug: Have you tried wizzyrea's? https://github.com/wizzyrea/Scripts-and-Things/blob/master/MARC21.mrc
19:12 pug On quite some searching I havent been able to find such a sample book database (marc, xls etc.) .. Any pointers?
19:11 pug I am putting together a demo of Koha - and need sample data - such that the cover images show up - which requires the ISBN to be there -- and requires that the book is kind of popular enough for Amazon/Google to have the image
19:10 pug Hi Guys
18:39 khall paulp can usually figure these things out, maybe we should enlist his help.
18:39 * druthb laughs derisively.
18:38 mtompset Oops. There's my typographical error making. :)
18:38 mtompset me throws skittles at druthb. :)
18:37 mtompset Plus, we all know that IE wouldn't really solve the problem anyways.
18:37 khall oleonard: it's odd, the diacritics looks fine in my list name both as a header and in the lists table, but they aren't showing right in the list patrons table
18:37 * druthb cranks Van Halen up a couple more notches.
18:36 mtompset i.e. relocate the mess.
18:36 druthb one of the things I'm grateful for in my new job…the super-nice Shure headphones they bought me. I can crank my 80's hair band music up *really loud* and not annoy my neighbors.
18:36 mtompset Hey, I didn't say anything. I blame the heat. Just cleared a portion of my garage out, so I may actually be able to clean another room in the house.
18:35 * druthb wields pointy stick.
18:35 mtompset I said it was evil.
18:35 mtompset No, mean is following that statement up with one that you clearly set yourself up for. :P
18:35 pianohacker Hey now, we frown upon goddamn filthy language like that in this channel
18:35 * druthb has the dumb today, and cannot type well.
18:34 druthb s/mena/mean/
18:34 druthb oooh. mtompset, that's just mena,
18:33 mtompset Have you tried using Internet Explorer, oleonard? ;)
18:33 * mtompset grins evilly.
18:33 huginn` rambutan: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 13 hours, 44 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> if there are any
18:33 rambutan @seen wizzyrea
18:33 oleonard It's a diacritic in a patron category description
18:32 khall oleonard: where are you seeing the issue? I name a list Théologie and it looks ok
18:32 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
18:29 khall it's proabably dbix class
18:27 oleonard I don't know why it would be a TT issue if the data shows up correctly elsewhere.
18:27 khall oleonard: not really. Do we need to tell dbix class to use ut8 maybe? Or could it be a TT issue.
18:25 tcohen ok, bye!
18:25 tcohen the f*k is that
18:25 tcohen 10bye #koha
18:25 oleonard Yes. Any idea why diacritics in a patron category description would not be showing up correctly on a patron list?
18:25 khall oleonard: you had a question for me?
18:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #1319 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:17 tcohen gmcharlt: thanks for the info, i just noticed i was writing http:// instead of hkp://
18:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10541 major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Enable cross-browser AJAX in additem.js
18:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9362 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Wrong query in GetUpcomingDueIssues (Circulation.pm)
18:17 jenkins_koha * David Cook: Bug 10541: enable cross-browser AJAX in additem.js
18:17 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9362: fix query that finds upcoming due loans
18:17 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1318: SUCCESS in 1 hr 16 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1318/
18:15 oleonard CHARSET=utf8
18:13 pianohacker oleonard: He seems to be out at the moment, but does a SHOW CREATE TABLE have the correct charset on the relevant tables, out of curiosity?
18:11 oleonard khall: Any idea why diacritics in a patron category description would not be showing up correctly on a patron list?
18:07 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10515: (follow-up) fix use of GetBranchCategories <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=968f337728d1e13040389381fef01adc39e8be5c> / Bug 10515: add regression tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5aeefa25ac94495afd9a1c7fa5aae3f05a1d1907> / Bug 10515: make behavior of library category fetchers consistent with other fetchers <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb
17:58 tcohen i'm really happy today
17:58 tcohen deb http://ubuntu.unc.edu.ar/koha precise main
17:50 tcohen which I signed with my private gpg key
17:50 tcohen yes, I'm just trying to test my own deb repo
17:50 gmcharlt that's all you need to sign a branch
17:49 tcohen yes
17:49 gmcharlt do you still have your local copy of the key?
17:48 tcohen gmcharlt: i cannot seem to retreive it
17:47 drojf looks like i have some serious rebasing to do before i try that. meh
17:46 vfernandes bye guys
17:46 vfernandes i have to go
17:45 drojf cool thanks
17:45 pianohacker drojf: Try git checkout HEAD -- <path>
17:44 drojf hm no that seems to keep the changes
17:44 gmcharlt tcohen: pgp.mit.edu?
17:44 drojf ha it's actually called git reset. who would have expected that?
17:43 tcohen gmcharlt: do u remember where did we (bgkriegel and I) uploaded our gpg keys?
17:42 drojf git question: can i reset a single file to master in a customized branch?
17:40 vfernandes KOHA_HOME/etc/zebradb/.../record.abs
17:40 vfernandes installed
17:39 pianohacker (assuming you installed from tarball)
17:39 pianohacker vfernandes: To follow up on kf's question, did you change the record.abs in your tarball, or the installed one?
17:38 pianohacker ooh raspberries
17:36 drojf raspberries! raspberries for everyone!
17:32 vfernandes bye kf
17:32 kf bye all!
17:32 kf and that's all ideas i have - leaving :)
17:32 kf vfernandes: did you reindex after adding it? did you change the right file? if you have a dev install there will be 2 of them, the one in koha-dev is the right one
17:31 tcohen :-D
17:31 kf tcohen: cngrats :)
17:30 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
17:30 mtompset Oops...
17:30 mtompset exit
17:27 vfernandes another problem: besides being used in the record, the authority has 0 records associated
17:26 vfernandes kf any idea?
17:23 tcohen translators of the world, translate
17:23 vfernandes shouldn't the authorities be searchable by mainentry which this entries on record.abs?
17:22 vfernandes I don't know what is wrong
17:20 vfernandes two entries to index the field... but no lucky :/
17:20 vfernandes on my authorities/record.abs I added the following: melm 170$b Heading:w,Heading:p,Heading:s,Heading-Main:w,Heading-Main:p,Heading-Main:s,Match:w,Match:p,Match-heading:w,Match-heading:p melm 170 Heading:w,Heading:p,Heading:s,Match:w,Match:p,Match-heading:w,Match-heading:p
17:19 kf probably you will have to index your new field.
17:18 vfernandes the search "in keywords" works, but for "in any heading" or "in main entry" doens't work
17:18 tcohen built on precise, our own 3.12 flavour :-D
17:17 tcohen http://ubuntu.unc.edu.ar/koha
17:17 tcohen didn't make it public
17:17 vfernandes http://biblioteca.lnec.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-authorities-home.pl - try to search EDITORES
17:17 kf where? where?
17:17 kf lol
17:17 tcohen eythian++ eythian++ # thanks, really
17:17 tcohen GOT MY OWN REPOOOOO
17:16 kf but giving you suggestions/controlling it a bit
17:16 kf i think ther emight be one for unimarc that could do the trick for marc21 without using authorities
17:16 kf i think maybe another way to do it woudl be using a plugin
17:15 vfernandes i've created a 170 field for authorities frameworks with a subfield b... this is the field that will be copied to records
17:14 vfernandes i're already added to biblio/record.abs : melm 260$9 Koha-Auth-Number
17:13 vfernandes which is the best authority field to put publishers?
17:13 kf hm then not sure what is missing
17:13 vfernandes kf i've already done that
17:13 kf you'd have to configure that in your frameworks
17:12 vfernandes i've already created a new authority type and the fields in bibliographic models are blocked to the authority
17:11 vfernandes can anyone help me? I want to have 260$b controlled by authorities
17:01 jenkins_koha Starting build #1318 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:01 mtompset (after the installation of the missing dependencies)
17:00 mtompset Well, it would seem that the package rolled upgrade worked.
17:00 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9576 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Enable or disable issue limit confirmation
17:00 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10563 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Link to edit subscription from 'check expiraton' page is broken
17:00 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7019 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Circulation History Sort Order Wrong
17:00 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 9576: DBRev 3.13.00.013
17:00 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9576: can now control whether max loans limit can be overriden
17:00 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10563: Fix broken 'Edit' link on check expiration page
17:00 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7019: fix sorting by return date in Circulation History
17:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1317: SUCCESS in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1317/
16:57 druthb There's a very weak low-pressure center off the coast of eastern Mexico; the hurricane watchers are keeping their eye on it, but two of the computer models stubbornly refuse to even give it a *potential* to be a TS. But it is pushing wet air at us, in large quantities.
16:56 huginn` jcamins_web: The operation succeeded.
16:56 jcamins_web @later tell wizzyrea Any chance you could add a link to the wiki page Version control in git on http://koha-community.org/get-involved/for-developers/ and change the web IRC link to kiwiirc.com, since that works consistently even behind firewalls?
16:55 huginn` rambutan: The current temperature in Dothan, Alabama is 32.3°C (11:55 AM CDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025 hPa (Falling).
16:55 rambutan @wunder dothan, alabama
16:55 huginn` rambutan: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is 31.0°C (11:50 AM CDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
16:55 rambutan @wunder 64507
16:53 eythian yes
16:53 mtompset Okay, so the missing dependencies are to be expected, because of the dpkg -i vs. apt-get install
16:53 druthb Rainy and downright cool here on the bayou today.
16:52 eythian mtompset: because that's not the job of dpkg.
16:52 vfernandes the authorities still have 0 records :/
16:52 mtompset It's not my repo that's wrong on the fresh packages install.
16:52 druthb eh?
16:52 oleonard druthb: !!
16:52 mtompset eythian: So, why didn't the dependencies auto-install? They are easily findable.
16:52 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 22.9°C (11:51 AM CDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
16:52 oleonard That's insane.
16:52 druthb @wunder 77063
16:52 druthb Bet he's enjoying the "cooler" weather.
16:51 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 36.0°C (12:45 PM EDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect until 8 PM EDT Thursday...
16:51 vfernandes yesterday I was here to ask about authorities.... I wanted a authority controll for subfield 260$b
16:51 druthb @wunder Forest Hills, NY
16:51 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 31.7°C (12:21 PM EDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect from 2 PM this afternoon to 6 PM EDT this evening...
16:51 oleonard @wunder 45701
16:51 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Dothan, Alabama is 32.3°C (11:50 AM CDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025 hPa (Falling).
16:51 oleonard @wunder 36303
16:51 druthb kf++
16:50 druthb be well, Alabamans! Take good care of Jared. :)
16:50 druthb gmcharlt++
16:50 Guest124 We'll keep working at it. Back to training. Nice to meet y'all.
16:49 rambutan ALA Mid-July I would suppose
16:49 druthb s/ie/ei/
16:49 druthb jcamins, a drawl so long it won't fit in your suitcase would be a nice souvenier.
16:49 rambutan ic
16:49 jcamins_web rambutan: Dothan, AL.
16:49 jcamins_web druthb: not likely.
16:49 eythian mtompset: the one you're trying to install on, as that's the one missing the dependencies.
16:48 druthb lol. Keep at him. Y'all can do it.
16:48 rambutan where are you?
16:48 Guest124 Not quite yet, we've got a bit of a canadian about occasionally.
16:48 Guest124 Hi druthb.
16:48 rambutan jkatmins?
16:48 druthb Kat: is jcamins talking like a Southerner yet?
16:47 druthb Hi, jcamins_web and Kat! :)
16:47 jcamins_web (demonstrating two people talking at once from the same office)
16:47 rambutan pianohacker: yes, 3.10
16:47 mtompset in the pbuilder environment? or the ubuntu environment I'm trying to install on?
16:46 jcamins_web Hi!
16:46 Kat Hello?
16:46 vfernandes hi :)
16:46 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10541: enable cross-browser AJAX in additem.js <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=53f82b1d7d9b7f06da1032faf0800d624eb4c1d3>
16:44 eythian or maybe apt-get -f install, I forget every time.
16:44 eythian mtompset: try apt-get install -f to fix that
16:44 eythian jcamins_web looks suspiciously like a kat.
16:44 * jcamins_web waves from Alabama
16:43 eythian oh, or you forgot that dpkg != apt and doesn't fix deps for you like apt does
16:43 eythian (or it's not there, or wrong)
16:43 eythian mtompset: you missed the bit in the instructions about adding the koha-community repo apparently :)
16:42 mtompset that's the output from my attempted roll. back to watching Castle. ;)
16:42 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "dependencies not auto-installed?!" (33 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/127
16:36 pianohacker rambutan: Just to confirm, you're on 3.10?
16:35 oleonard http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=2.0
16:34 rambutan the TS supervisor tells me that searching on "2.0" returns 0 also, even knowing there are other titles with 2.0 in them, like Web 2.0, for example
16:31 rambutan exactly
16:31 pianohacker what's four orders of magnitude, between friends?
16:30 rambutan slight exaggeration I suppose
16:30 rambutan oh, no, sorry, it was only 149
16:30 oleonard Seriously. 996,241?
16:29 rambutan concur
16:29 oleonard :D
16:29 eythian perhaps those should just be weeded :)
16:29 eythian oh dear.
16:29 rambutan "98" yields 996,241 hits on "Windows 98"
16:28 eythian you probably need to find someone who understands zebra tuning.
16:28 eythian as for finding them, I have no idea. I suppose '98' doesn't do it?
16:27 rambutan ?
16:27 rambutan and what would be behind door number two
16:27 pianohacker ahhh, bash.org
16:26 eythian http://bash.org/?514353 <-- rambutan
16:25 rambutan the only way we can retrieve this item is by its alternative name
16:25 eythian I don't think they deserve to be found
16:25 rambutan There is a (musical) group called "98°", they have produced a CD called "2.0"
16:25 rambutan We have a problem with searching (and retrieving) a special case in Koha
16:25 gaetan_B bye
16:25 eythian I'm inclined to think that most things that are making it into a stable release are likely to be greater cause things anyway.
16:24 eythian heh
16:24 gmcharlt tcohen: sorry, I didn't mean to pick on you
16:24 * tcohen feels quite guilty
16:23 eythian they'll have to install missing things manually.
16:23 eythian keep in mind it'll also have similar upsets for people running from tarballs
16:22 eythian It might also be worth batching a couple together (although this isn't something that seems to happen a lot anyway.)
16:22 eythian It's not the end of the world if it happens, just an inconvenience.
16:22 tcohen yes, I first made a mistake on 3.12.x and then concluded it was for a greater cause
16:22 eythian rule of thumb would be if that it's actually fixing something that's annoying people, go for it. Otherwise consider it again.
16:21 gmcharlt thanks for confirming my impression
16:21 eythian yep
16:21 gmcharlt it forces use of dist-upgrade rather than upgrade, correct?
16:21 eythian gmcharlt: I'd like to avoid it if reasonably possible (except in master, that's OK.)
16:20 gmcharlt eythian: a question that I think tcohen had asked you, but I'd like to know the answer too: is it kosher to add new dependencies when making minior updates to a package?
16:19 eythian that's what dput itself does. the reprepro step integrates them into the repo properly.
16:19 tcohen what's the result? the deb & friends files on the incoming dir?
16:18 eythian reprepro usually happens as part of dput
16:17 eythian oh no wait
16:17 eythian debsign, dput, and reprepro export
16:17 tcohen so, debsign ; dput ?
16:16 eythian tcohen: basically, debsign *.changes, but you may need to provide a key ID
16:16 tcohen eythian, once you got the deb files, what's the step to sign them and use dput to deplooy on a new (local) repo ?
16:02 eythian there shouldn't be missing dependencies.
16:02 mtompset Lunch... just on the verge of missing dependencies.
16:01 eythian heh
16:00 pianohacker eythian: start with something simple and easy, like addbiblio.pl
15:59 * eythian lacks that sort of time.
15:59 mtompset me too, eythian. me too. :)
15:59 eythian if I had time, I'd go through and fix the situations that lead to them
15:58 eythian there are too many warnings.
15:58 mtompset and they are warnings, like int(undef) :)
15:58 mtompset Yes, it would... so they are silent in the UI sense of the word silent. :P
15:58 eythian that'd be a terrible thing to do
15:57 mtompset yes, but they aren't on the HTML page put back out. :P
15:57 * eythian notes that warnings in your logs aren't silent. They're in your logs.
15:56 pianohacker cool
15:56 mtompset Nope... playing with rolling my own packages.
15:56 wahanui hmmm... mtompset is disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs.
15:56 pianohacker hey mtompset
15:55 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9362: fix query that finds upcoming due loans <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ff7f37202949bb6d60cdf30de4e237e6b1de93eb>
15:55 mtompset Greetings, pianohacker.
15:48 jenkins_koha Starting build #1317 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:47 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10409 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Do not show course entry form if no departments are found
15:47 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10409: Follow up - improving strings for easier translation
15:47 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10409 - Do not show course entry form if no departments are found
15:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1316: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1316/
15:38 huginn` tcohen: jcamins was last seen in #koha 11 hours, 4 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <jcamins> Maybe that was changed for performance reasons.
15:38 tcohen @seen jcamins
15:35 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9576: DBRev 3.13.00.013 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=057297e2bf0686e8272bff6d2b488fe928a7a2ad> / Bug 9576: can now control whether max loans limit can be overriden <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=835f745b55c47ccc7087950419b68d036b908cc2>
15:18 reiveune bye
15:18 mtompset I got all the deb files as far as I can tell.
15:17 eythian and you don't get a .deb file
15:17 eythian it fails outright if things are wrong
15:16 mtompset I assume the progression with "has my patches in it" version, will be similar.
15:16 mtompset I didn't make any changes... just going with an intermediate 3.12.0
15:15 mtompset That's going to be the attempt.
15:15 drojf mtompset: so you are installing your own package to replace it with the regular one?
15:13 mtompset some of those messages are worrisome, but it keeps going.
15:12 rambutan drum roll please.......
15:06 mtompset attempting the roll right now.
15:05 mtompset okay... going to try: koha package install of 3.10.x (oldstable), install a 3.12.0 (rolled), and then a 3.12.x (stable)
15:05 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10563: Fix broken 'Edit' link on check expiration page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=81431fdc8654e95e9fea37c4de880e9cf6126b26> / Bug 7019: fix sorting by return date in Circulation History <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dbd6befa5d0d52e5ff10b78deef4f839127e30db>
14:45 mtompset waiting for a fresh clone.
14:44 mtompset I see your point, eythian.
14:42 eythian that's why I prefer my method of setting up the environment, it's scriptable and doesn't require messing with the innards of the environment.
14:41 mtompset silly me... I skimmed too much. :)
14:41 eythian it also mentions installing wget right there.
14:40 mtompset I'll tweak out the sudo.
14:40 mtompset true enough... oh well, I guess they just copied the wget command from the instructions.
14:40 eythian yeah, those are definitely something that someone attempting to build packages should already be aware of.
14:39 eythian mtompset: you shouldn't need sudo in the pbuilder environment, you'll already be root
14:39 drojf i'm not sure if something like building your own debian packages for koha is supposed to be done by copy+paste from a wiki by somebody with zero knowledge of linux, for example
14:39 mtompset For example... when I went into the pbuilder environment to do something the command was sudo and wget... both needed to be installed. Not difficult, but just tiny steps like that.
14:37 drojf maybe they are steps you would assume someone going that deep into development just knows about?
14:34 mtompset Funny how there are always tiny steps missing in instructions. I guess we don't want bloated instructions.
14:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #1316 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:23 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10565 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add a "Patron List" feature for storing and manipulating collections of patrons
14:23 khall just submitted a patron lists feature for anyone who's interested. I wrote it using DBIx::Class. It's amazing how much faster development is using DBIx::Class, and much more readable too! Bug 10565
14:21 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10409: Follow up - improving strings for easier translation <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4043df439541ec8ba28363abc74d1677479a8869> / Bug 10409 - Do not show course entry form if no departments are found <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1ad188f9d67c729ff7119f5ede8e06cf3133a750>
14:19 eythian cool
14:19 mtompset Has a nice "if you want to build debian..." part.
14:18 mtompset Found it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
14:18 eythian then you'll have to figure out how to tell it to. It shouldn't be too hard.
14:18 mtompset It doesn't.
14:17 eythian you should be able to follow the instructions more or less exactly the same, assuming that pbuilder on ubuntu knows about squeeze
14:17 mtompset The instructions are debianist.
14:17 eythian yes
14:17 mtompset Okay, question. Is it possible to roll packages from an Ubuntu VM?
14:12 eythian I need to update mine at some time to be more automated.
14:12 mtompset Just tweaked the instructions to say 3.x not 3.2 for the easy way. :)
14:09 mtompset You started with the "easier way", and never worked up the energy to do it eythian's "it will definitely be clean" way. :)
14:09 eythian also, it's use of '-2' in the version number for doing an update is bad and wrong and may get really confusing if you attempt to put it into a repo, as 3.4-1, 3.4-2, etc. are expected to have the same source tarball, and they won't in this case.
14:09 mtompset drojf: The sentence is a difficult construct, but the intent is still parsable from the larger context. :)
14:08 kf better you spread it at work
14:08 eythian heh
14:08 kf yeah
14:08 drojf now that i am referring to both ways as "the other" i think it is time to leave and work before i spread more confusion :D
14:07 mtompset Greetings, gmcharlt. :)
14:07 eythian the patches section of the easy way should refer to git bz
14:07 drojf not doubting that at all. i think i started with the other and it worked for me so i did not bring up the energy to learn the other :)
14:06 tcohen morning gmcharlt
14:06 eythian I'm not sure if it's the easiest way, but it's the way I use for real builds because it's got a good likelyhood of being clean :)
14:05 drojf ah yeah, that is the eythian way :P
14:05 eythian git clean --help will explain it better than we can
14:05 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #27: "<jdavidb> ("A helicopter does not fly; it is a collection of quasi-unrelated parts moving in closeformation, beating the sky into submission.")" (added by gmcharlt at 09:21 PM, August 22, 2009)
14:05 gmcharlt @quote random
14:04 mtompset I was going to ask what does "git clean -f -x -d" do.
14:04 drojf there are two wiki pages. one says it is the easy way and there is another. i think most people agree the easy way is the easy way, just eythian likes the other ;)
14:02 mtompset yes, but I've never built a package before, so this is a bit of a learning curve.
14:02 drojf mtompset: they are the best. just like joints. i mean cigarettes. i mean lollipops.
13:45 mtompset Now for some fun today: attempt to roll my own package.
13:45 kf hi mtompset
13:45 wahanui que tal, eythian
13:45 eythian hi
13:44 mtompset Greetings, kf, eythian.
13:44 mtompset papa++ # thanks for the bug review.
13:44 mtompset eythian++ # thanks for the info.
13:43 mtompset Not a problem, eythian. Thanks.
13:43 eythian mtompset: he's papa, but usually only during AU daytime.
13:43 mtompset Does Srdjan Jankovic come here? If so, what's their handle? I'd like to pass some karma. :)
13:42 kf :)
13:42 kf Joubu: around still?
13:41 mtompset Greetings, druthb tcohen.
13:41 tcohen heh, hi mtompset
13:40 * mtompset chucks them back at druthb to maintain a balance in the skittles wars. ;)
13:39 druthb <3
13:39 mtompset Thanks for the skittles "love", druthb. :P
13:39 * druthb chucks Skittles at mtompset, Just Because.
13:37 mtompset Greetings, oleonard. Nice solar panel arrays. :)
13:36 oleonard Hi mtompset
13:33 mtompset Greetings, #koha
13:24 tcohen you're rigt is another bug
13:23 tcohen makes it show in english only
13:23 tcohen UPDATE systempreferences SET value="es-ES" WHERE variable="language";
13:23 tcohen update syspref on mysql ; refresh browser
13:23 tcohen it shows in spanish
13:23 tcohen if I manually do UPDATE systempreferences SET value="es-ES,en" WHERE variable="language";
13:07 eythian it's just that when you know the schema is old, you don't know that the sysprefs haven't changed how they work until after the upgrade has run.
13:06 tcohen ok
13:06 eythian that's what I meant too
13:06 eythian yeah
13:05 tcohen maybe i didn't explain it well
13:05 tcohen i'm talking about the upgrade process, right?
13:02 eythian Or I suppose it could be more conservative and specifically pick those sysprefs and be really careful about what it does if it can't make sense of them.
13:01 eythian I'm not sure it should be obeying the sysprefs though, but I think it should allow you to pick any installed language.
12:59 eythian well, I think it's a bug. I just don't think it's that bug :)
12:59 tcohen ok, so its a feature
12:59 tcohen yes eythian :) sorry for not explaining
12:58 eythian that's cool, oleonard
12:58 oleonard At least this weather is good for something: http://www.myacpl.org/blog/array-sun-2013-07-15
12:57 eythian I don't think it should be that, but that function should never be called, we shouldn't be accessing sysprefs in the webinstaller.
12:57 eythian ah, that's why you're asking me :)
12:56 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10560 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , No way to disable english
12:56 tcohen i see it as another case for bug 10560, but maybe i'm wrong
12:54 eythian however I'd expect you to be able to choose es-ES
12:53 eythian as you don't know that the schema is something that you expect at this stage.
12:53 eythian You can't access the system preferences
12:53 eythian well, the disabling I could see not working
12:53 tcohen s/=/)/
12:53 tcohen (on the webinstaller I mean=
12:52 tcohen you wont be able to choose es-ES, forced to english
12:52 tcohen and then checkout current master
12:51 tcohen if you install and enable (for example) es-ES and disable english on a 3.12.x checkout
12:48 huginn` mtj: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (12:00 AM NZST on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
12:48 mtj @wunder nzwn
12:47 eythian Maybe it should say "choose your language" in all installed languages :)
12:44 drojf the first page is in english, before you choose the language
12:44 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10560 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , No way to disable english
12:44 tcohen i noticed while testing bug 10560 that if english is disabled, you're still forced to use english
12:44 drojf works fine for me
12:44 drojf eythian: i did. several times
12:43 drojf tcohen: if languages are installed you can choose
12:43 eythian tcohen: I thought it allowed language selection if you had alternate languages installed, but I can't say I've ever tried.
12:43 tcohen eythian: is it desirable that the webinstaller is run always in english? or is it a bug
12:40 oleonard You've got a few degrees on us here in Ohio, but we've got 35 humidity percentage points on you!
12:39 mjk yep. i'm a masshole
12:39 mjk i think i win for worst weather
12:39 oleonard Is that where you are mjk?
12:38 huginn` mjk: The current temperature in Boston - South End, Boston, Massachusetts is 30.5°C (8:33 AM EDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1022 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect from 11 am this morning to 7 PM EDT this evening...
12:38 mjk @wunder boston, massachusetts
12:38 eythian mtj: yeah, I've seen what's been happening there. I don't feel at all bad about missing it :)
12:37 drojf :P
12:37 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 26.5°C (2:13 PM CEST on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
12:37 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
12:37 eythian oleonard: well, there's too much sun here, if that counts.
12:37 oleonard Ah, so everyone's having miserable weather?
12:36 mtj heh yeah, i was just thinking about the hideous weather you are missing, over here
12:35 mjk it can't be worse than the microvision rov we're currently using, though, and it costs less that a twedge license
12:35 eythian it's sweltering here, which was a surprise.
12:35 eythian mtj: am indeed
12:35 mtj heya eythian, still in old blighty?
12:34 mjk i think so
12:34 mtj Joubu, nice patch!
12:33 huginn` tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 12.0°C (9:00 AM ART on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
12:33 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
12:33 tcohen not much mjk, those that use leds?
12:31 mjk does anyone here have any experience with datalogic qw2100 barcode scanners
12:31 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Brighton, Brighton, United Kingdom is 26.5°C (1:30 PM BST on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
12:31 eythian @wunder bn1 1al
12:31 huginn` eythian: Error: No such location could be found.
12:31 eythian @wunder bn1
12:30 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Whitlind Woods, Athens, Ohio is 25.3°C (8:30 AM EDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 30.32 in 1027 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect from 2 PM this afternoon to 6 PM EDT this evening...
12:30 oleonard @wunder 45701
12:27 mjk ah
12:26 eythian if you're using the packages then there's koha-dump and koha-restore
12:26 eythian just make a dump and then restore that into the new one.
12:25 mjk wev've got about 100 volumes out of the 10-15k in our library done
12:25 eythian still, moving the database would probably be less work too
12:25 tcohen hi oleonard
12:25 mjk currently, we;re just in the "get the uncataloged data catloged" stage
12:25 oleonard Hi #koha
12:25 eythian I'd move the database, otherwise you'll lose everything like circ info, settings, etc.
12:24 mjk if i do have to move the data, would it make more sense to export everything as a marc file and then reimport or would it make more sense to try and move the databases directly
12:22 eythian But that's not a terrible thing.
12:22 eythian that's a good plan. tbh, I think that the current machine may be overspecced for what it's doing.
12:22 mjk i'm going to try to convince the business meeting to let us buy the box off its owner (who has said he'll let it go for the cost of materials) and use the p4 box as a self-circulation station
12:21 mtj i need to reverse my repo syncing script
12:21 mtj Joubu++ awesome
12:20 kf Joubu++
12:19 eythian heh, the downgrade may be felt by people.
12:18 mjk hmm. currently its running on a quad-core amd box with 16gb of ram, but that box's owner wants it back...
12:18 Joubu kf, mtj: qa tools repo updated
12:18 eythian It'll definitely function on that, but may just not be that great.
12:18 eythian tbh I'd test it out on your old P4 and see if it works as well as you need.
12:17 mjk i doubt it would ever have more than two or three users
12:17 eythian it would work, but it'd be pushing it if it got busy, and would feel a bit sluggish in parts.
12:17 mjk hmm. so an old p4 box with 512mb won't cut it
12:17 eythian having items just sitting there doesn't really cost anything except a little bit of storage.
12:16 eythian mjk: depends more on how much use it gets.
12:15 tcohen dual-core, 1GB RAM
12:14 mjk quick question: roughly how much computer would be needed to comfortably host an internal-use-only instance of koha with about 15k items
12:13 mjk hello all.
12:12 huginn` tcohen: The operation succeeded.
12:12 tcohen @later tell rangi that sounds great rangi
12:11 tcohen morning #koha
12:00 edveal morning guys.
11:48 drojf https://foaas.herokuapp.com/
11:18 drojf hi #koha
11:14 mtj … before using the ~/ one
11:13 mtj hmm, a nice tweak would be to get the qa-tool to use a koha's perlcriticrc file, 1st
11:08 mtj else, the match will break for people still using the old repo name :/
11:08 mtj Joubu we might need an /either|or/ for matching the qa repo name
11:07 mtj kf++ Joubu++ :)
11:07 kf have to run, bbiab
11:07 kf thx a lot mtj++ Joubu++ :)
11:06 mtj i didnt realise that the qa-tool was *not* using the rc file, in its repo
11:05 kf which is actually a bit more :(
11:05 kf guess I am good tester for the README - because I have no idea what i am doing :)
11:05 kf thx a lot :)
11:04 kf it works :)
11:04 kf yay
11:03 mtj ok
11:03 kf i haven#t changed it after renaming
11:03 kf oh right.
11:03 kf mtj: I think we are past that :)
11:03 mtj remember, you need to add the qa path to PERL5LIB
11:03 kf the error is still teh same as before renaming the repo
11:02 kf hmwith the right path
11:02 kf http://paste.koha-community.org/123
11:01 mtj kf - its prolly a path issue, paste your error again?
11:00 cait_dev tried this
11:00 cait_dev :~/koha$ ../koha-qa-tools/koha-qa.pl -c 1
11:00 kf for the error in 123
11:00 kf but i still can#t the qa script
11:00 kf i can run the tests now successfuly
10:59 kf i have a question about step 6 of the readme
10:58 mtj hmm, its working for me, but prolly coz i have a ~/.perlcriticrc file
10:58 kf i think jonathan told me about that a while ago, when i had problems with modern perl giving fails
10:58 mtj ow, thats a bug
10:58 kf without you fail the tests
10:57 kf and that could go into the README as well
10:57 kf mtj: i know, but you have to copy it to ~ with another name :)
10:57 mtj … that the tools uses
10:57 mtj kf, there is a perlcritic .rc file, added to the qa repo
10:57 kf mtj: still awake? *nudge* :)
10:57 kf enjoy your lunch :)
10:57 kf i remembered that
10:57 kf the copy the perlcritic file one comes up often too
10:57 Joubu launch time!
10:56 kf :)
10:56 Joubu kf: yep I will
10:56 Joubu I will provide a patch for the repo name constraint.
10:56 kf could someone note some of that in the README? (preferrable not me as i might get it wrong again? :)
10:56 Joubu kf: cool :)
10:56 kf now i pass all tests
10:56 kf but it was missing the .
10:56 kf i copied the perlcritic file
10:55 kf Joubu - that was it
10:55 Joubu s/perlcritic/.perlcriticrc
10:54 kf does check verbosity output need a special dependency?
10:54 Joubu I think the perlcritic does not contains the equivalent modules for Morder::Perl
10:53 Joubu i_m_ok fail perlcritic
10:53 kf since then it's driving me nuts :)
10:53 mtj ok
10:53 kf mtj: i cloned it this morning
10:53 mtj kf, your repo is up-to-date ? -> https://github.com/Koha-Community/qa-test-tools
10:53 kf mtj: should koha-qa.pl work when in the git repository of koha? you don't have to give the full path? that never worked for me without telling it where to find it
10:52 kf that was a really old question :)
10:52 kf oh sorry,... scrolling broken
10:52 kf Joubu: i am not totally sure - the cpanm command does not work
10:51 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
10:51 mtj interesting....
10:50 cait_dev http://paste.koha-community.org/126
10:48 pastebot "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "perl ./t/Perl.t" (40 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/125
10:48 cait_dev not ok 22 - Check verbosity output (0)
10:48 cait_dev failed 2 out of 37
10:48 mtj $ perl ./t/Perl.t
10:47 mtj cait_dev, try this for a bit more into...
10:47 cait_dev i think i also have to copy the perlcritic file in the right place to ~?
10:47 cait_dev prove still fails, but differently now
10:47 cait_dev intersting
10:46 mtj yep
10:46 cait_dev koha-qa-tools?
10:46 mtj yeah, i change the repo name, my bad
10:45 cait_dev what's the right one?
10:45 cait_dev ok, so i can rename it and try again
10:45 mtj aaah
10:45 Joubu (yes, it's stupid, i will try to fix that later)
10:45 cait_dev hm when you clone that's not what you get
10:45 Joubu die "You have to be at the root of the koha-qa-tools project" unless $cwd_bak =~ /koha-qa-tools$/;
10:45 Joubu the qa dir have to be koha-qa-tools
10:44 cait_dev env now gives me that: PERL5LIB=/home/katrin/koha:/home/katrin/qa-test-tools/
10:44 cait_dev and really sorry... I think i am just missing something obvious here
10:44 cait_dev only that my directory is not qa-tools but qa-test-tools
10:44 cait_dev *confused*
10:44 cait_dev but i am
10:43 cait_dev it says i am not in the right place
10:43 cait_dev when i try prove i get paste 122
10:43 mtj $ prove
10:43 cait_dev now i can copy and paste
10:43 mtj $ cd /home/katrin/qa-tools
10:43 mtj does your qa-tools dir pass a 'prove' ok?
10:42 kf hmm
10:41 kf with the DATA line 1012 that i pasted earlier
10:41 kf but it still explodes when i try to run prove
10:41 kf i did that - with qa-test-tools
10:40 kf hm
10:40 mtj export PERL5LIB=/home/katrin/koha:/home/katrin/qa-tools
10:39 mtj export PERL5LIB=aaa:bbb
10:39 kf ok, so how do I do that? multiple paths?
10:39 mtj sorry about that
10:38 mtj thats causing the error -> Can't locate QohA/Git.pm in @INC
10:38 mtj …this missing bit of info, is to add the ./qa dir , to PERL5LIB
10:38 kf i have export PERL5LIB=/home/katrin/koha so far
10:38 kf ok, can you tell me how to do it?
10:37 mtj yeah, joubu is correct
10:37 kf sorry for being difficult
10:37 mtj sorry, some missing info in the README :/
10:37 mtj aah, i see…
10:36 kf k
10:36 kf so i set it bac
10:36 kf and it complained about wrong syntax
10:36 kf Joubu: i followed the readme which is confusing me :(
10:35 Joubu kf: and the perl5lib too? (/home/koha/src:/home/koha/tools/koha-qa-tools)
10:35 mtj aah, oops - i take that back :)
10:35 mtj kf, you were not in the correct dir, for paste 123
10:34 kf my koha_Konf is correct
10:34 kf something is not right there
10:34 mtj so, export a vaild KOHA_CONF, to point to any koha conf file
10:34 kf i did add those lines to my .bashrc file and got errors
10:33 kf mtj: i don't know how to set it and as it's written down it exploded
10:33 Joubu the PERL5LIB env var should contains the path to the qa-tools dir
10:33 mtj kf, just set your EXPORT stuff, like you would for using a koha
10:32 Joubu kf: all deps are up to date?
10:32 kf did you look at paste 123 too?
10:32 kf :(
10:32 kf ok, i see it works for the 2 of you... but still not for me
10:31 pastebot "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "qa ./prove" (26 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/124
10:31 kf but that's probably related to the fact that I am not very good with linux still
10:30 kf for the path
10:30 kf also i didn't understand that export bit
10:30 kf no idea
10:30 kf and the errors look werid
10:30 kf but it shoudl tell me i guess
10:30 kf i missed one
10:29 mtj but, that may not be situation now :) (i havent looked recently)
10:28 mtj ...meaning, pulling some packages cpan was a necessity :/
10:28 mtj i think, last time i looked, some packages were missing
10:27 mtj i havent got round to finding out the debian package equivs, of those packages
10:26 kf like libgit-repository-perl
10:26 mtj coz.. im lazy :/
10:26 kf and it's missing some it seems
10:26 kf yeah, but why use cpan?
10:25 mtj sudo cat ./perl-deps | cpanm
10:25 Joubu kf: I run "prove t" and all is good
10:25 mtj not...
10:25 mtj cat ./perl-deps | sudo cpanm
10:25 mtj aah, i did spot a little typo in the README
10:25 kf paste.koha-community.org/123
10:25 kf also this when I try to run it from the koha repositoy
10:23 mtj just doing a little test, myself
10:22 mtj 1 tic...
10:21 kf mtj: the cpan command didn't work, but I installed the modules using apt-get and only had 1 so far that was not in debian
10:21 kf hi :)
10:21 mtj and.. hi! :)
10:21 kf paste.koha-community.org/122
10:20 kf sec... different server
10:20 mtj kf, pastebin your error...
10:20 kf lots is not working as it's written there
10:20 kf i am not sure the Readme is correct
10:19 kf You have to be at the root of the koha-qa-tools project at t/Perl.t and i am in the qa-test-tools directory :(
10:19 kf and now it's not running at all?
10:19 kf then i installed all fo them
10:19 kf running prove first complained about missing modules
10:18 mtj dcook, kf, about now...
10:18 kf Joubu: hi :) i hve problems getting the qa-tools working in my new dev environment and was hopbin for some pointers
09:59 Joubu kf: yep
09:34 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9370 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , use Library::CallNumber::LC when splitting LC call numbers for spine labels
09:34 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 9370: improve splitting of LC call numbers for labels
09:34 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 9370: add invalid call number to LC splitting test cases
09:34 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 9370: test case for splitting LC call number
09:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #331: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/331/
08:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #331 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6281 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Bug in LCC sort routine
08:53 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 6281: add Library::CallNumber::LC as a required Perl dependency
08:53 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 6281: introduce LC::CallNumber::LC for sorting LC call numbers
08:53 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: bug 6281: add test case for sorting LC call numbers correctly
08:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #330: SUCCESS in 45 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/330/
08:50 wahanui what's up, eythian
08:50 eythian hi
08:22 kf Joubu: around?
08:10 kf mtj: still around?
08:08 jenkins_koha Starting build #330 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:08 christophe_c hello #koha
08:07 jenkins_koha Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Language updates for 3.8.14
08:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #329: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/329/
07:29 jenkins_koha Starting build #329 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: FIXED)
07:29 dcook mtj: Still not around?
07:19 dcook cjh++
07:18 cjh 10590 will be in 3.8.15 :)
07:18 kf cool
07:18 cjh not yet, only just found time to rmaint so doing it now :)
07:17 kf cjh: did you pick the security fix yet?
07:17 kf bgkriegel++ cjh++ tcohen++ :)
07:16 cjh bgkriegel++
07:15 cjh awesome, 3.8.14 translation updates now in 3.8.x
07:11 dcook But...maybe I'll fix that soon :)
07:07 kf ah
07:06 dcook Except in the "Images" tab
07:06 dcook LocalCoverImages
07:06 kf what feature are we missing in intranet?
07:05 cjh evening #koha
07:05 rangi yeah
07:05 gaetan_B hi dcook :)
07:04 dcook It seems like one line of code is missing
07:04 dcook I just wonder why it was "almost" put in for the intranet though
07:04 dcook Bootstrap*
07:04 dcook Exciting about Owen doing a Boostrap Opac
07:03 * dcook looks at the burgeoning task list
07:03 dcook Fair enough. I might add it in sometime soon.
07:03 rangi so im happy to leave it for others
07:03 rangi we spend way too much time on it, and nowhere enough on the public side :)
07:02 rangi ahh i pretty much dont care about the staff side
07:02 dcook salut gaetan_B
07:02 gaetan_B hello
07:02 dcook Not in the intranet though
07:02 dcook Yeah, in the opac
07:02 rangi koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/opac-results.tt: [% IF ( OPACLocalCoverImages ) %]<span title="[% SEARCH_RESULT.biblionumber |url %]" class="[% SEARCH_RESULT.biblionumber %]" id="local-thumbnail[% loop.count %]"></span>[% END %]
07:02 rangi there is
07:02 dcook Oh wait, no...that would be all right
07:01 rangi hmmm
07:01 dcook That should be more of a..
07:01 dcook Actually, that doesn't look quite right either
07:01 dcook But there's no '$("div [id^=local-thumbnail]"'' in the results.tt
07:00 dcook Yep
07:00 rangi so the js is on everypage
07:00 rangi its in the doc-head-close.inc
06:57 dcook That's a very good question
06:57 rangi why would we half add them?
06:56 dcook It would be easy enough to add though
06:56 dcook Well, for starters, there's no HTML for them to hook onto
06:56 rangi they dont? wtf not?
06:56 dcook Since they don't show up in search results
06:55 dcook ish
06:55 dcook It's just that the syspref text is incorrect
06:55 dcook rangi: I was thinking because the only place they show up is in the "Images" tab in the detail record
06:55 rangi so you can turn them off? without having to go round deleting them all?
06:50 * dcook wonders a bit why there is a LocalCoverImages preference...
06:50 dcook Alors, bogue est le mot français pour 'bug'? C'est assez facile d'rappeler.
06:44 reiveune tant mieux :)
06:40 dcook assez bien aussi
06:39 reiveune dcook: bie, et toi ?
06:38 reiveune hi rangi , dcook :)
06:38 dcook ça va?
06:38 dcook hey reiveune :)
06:38 rangi hi reiveune
06:37 reiveune hello
06:34 dcook Maybe it can and I didn't set up that part right
06:33 dcook Ideally, it would be nice if it could highlight the "end" tags...
06:33 rangi ill add it to my user package
06:32 rangi sweet
06:31 dcook Which will automatically apply the syntax highlighting for anything with a .tt file extension
06:31 dcook P.S. Turns out you can set up a user filetype.vim :)
06:30 * dcook wonders when it got to be 4:30...
06:30 dcook Handy
06:30 rangi its good for tidying just the stuff you have changed
06:29 dcook This TT plugin isn't too shabby
06:29 dcook I should probably do the same at some point...
06:29 rangi plus the perltidy hooks
06:29 rangi havent nope, but i use the perl one
06:28 dcook rangi: Do you use that TT plugin for vim?
06:19 dcook Helps when you use the actual code ;)
06:19 dcook W00t
06:16 dcook That could make a difference
06:16 dcook Hmm, maybe because the files I downloaded were the wrong ones...
06:14 dcook Although maybe it's just different colours..
06:14 dcook rangi: No go in the end. The instructions for that syntax plugin aren't all that clear (to me). Plus, going through Putty probably means that I'm not seeing Vim's syntax highlighting anyway
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05:53 dcook Oh, vim
05:53 dcook http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/filetype.html#new-filetype
05:53 dcook I think it's a possibility. Looking into it now ;)
05:53 rangi i dont know
05:48 dcook That is rather cool..
05:48 tweetbot [off] twitter: @ranginui: "this is pretty cool celebrating Ranganathan's birthday with a national #KohaILS workshop in India http://t.co/SQmmpmwEZP"
05:47 dcook Hmm, is there a localized filetype.vim that can be edited?
05:42 rangi yep
05:42 dcook At least initially, it was pretty painless
05:41 dcook I've known a few people who've recently moved over to it
05:41 dcook Couldn't agree more
05:40 rangi we should be prepared
05:40 rangi it wont be long before all the distros drop it
05:40 rangi oracle are destroying mysql
05:40 rangi yep
05:38 dcook Planning on moving Koha over to Maria?
05:37 huginn` rangi: The operation succeeded.
05:37 rangi @later tell tcohen yep they dont have full build environments set up yet, galens is testing docs, i could get them doing builds as well, but i would like galens to be running maria so we run tests on both mysql and maria
05:37 dcook I'm going to try this out :D
05:37 dcook Thanks, rangi
05:36 * dcook grins
05:36 dcook Oh my...
05:36 rangi but it has a ton of other useful highlighting too
05:36 rangi under syntax is the tt2 plugin
05:35 rangi https://github.com/vim-perl/vim-perl
05:34 rangi vim has everything
05:34 rangi dcook: vim
05:33 dcook That would be awesome...
05:33 dcook By chance does anyone know of an editor that has TT syntax highlighting?
05:33 cait hi dcook :)
05:33 dcook Hey cait :)
05:06 dcook And from Koha vendor to Koha vendor, of course
05:06 dcook Which can be changed from client to client, if necessary
05:06 dcook Just add "use restriction" into the item xml, and then do all the hardcoding in the template...
05:06 dcook I just realized that it should actually be quite flexible
05:05 dcook Proposed the idea :)
04:49 wizzyrea if there are any
04:49 dcook True enough :)
04:49 wizzyrea :)
04:49 wizzyrea you'll find them when you test it
04:48 * dcook tries to think if there are holes in this logic
04:48 dcook In this case, we just want to distinguish it as a special kind of available
04:48 dcook The behaviour could be controlled in the circ rules
04:47 dcook Which would be handy
04:47 dcook Exactly.
04:47 wizzyrea it has no behaviour
04:47 wizzyrea it's just a note
04:47 wizzyrea well use restriction doesn't do anything
04:42 dcook And to check it out/check it in to record the use
04:41 dcook In the case of wanting to be able to photocopy something, maybe you do want patrons to be able to place a hold on something
04:41 dcook I'm thinking that "use restriction" might be better than "not for loan"
04:39 dcook No context available for intranet v opac labels
04:39 dcook Would have to hardcode in values for use restrictions, me thinks
04:38 dcook Holdingbranch, location, and ccode, eh?
04:36 wizzyrea but I think it does not have use restrictions - no matter it should be simple to add.
04:36 dcook Damned 3.8...
04:36 dcook Good point, wizzyrea
04:35 wizzyrea 3.12 has a lot more stuff
04:35 wizzyrea yours only has that :P
04:35 dcook Could be. It would be nice to have access to more data.
04:34 jcamins Maybe that was changed for performance reasons.
04:33 jcamins I thought it loaded the entire hashref.
04:32 jcamins Hm. In that case, yeah, requires a code change.
04:32 dcook The item xml only has status, homebranch, itemcallnumber
04:32 dcook Nope, think it needs to be done in the XSLT.pm
04:31 dcook Mmm, I think you're probably right
04:31 jcamins However, I could be missing something.
04:30 jcamins You just need to change the XSLT, not XSLT.pm as far as I can see.
04:30 dcook search even
04:30 dcook Not the research results
04:30 dcook On the detail page
04:29 jcamins The use restrictions are available for display.
04:29 dcook C'est tout
04:29 dcook On my XSLT, there's "available for loan" and "available for reference"
04:29 dcook jcamins: How do you mean?
04:29 jcamins That's already available.
04:29 wahanui huh? Why are you installing firefox instead of just using iceweasel?
04:29 jcamins dcook: huh? Why?
04:29 dcook Of course, that would need magic values...
04:28 wizzyrea could do, could do
04:28 dcook for things like "electronic" and "photocopy"
04:28 dcook Maybe the key is to add in some "use restriction" handling in XSLT.pm
04:26 dcook If you don't allow holds on electronic item types, then you don't need to worry about hold...and "available" looks fine on the detail page (plus using that "use restriction" could be handy)
04:24 dcook So the "use restriction" shows at the item-detail level..
04:24 dcook Well, it's not necessarily up to me in the end :p
04:22 wizzyrea is the one you should use
04:22 wizzyrea whichever display you like better
04:22 wizzyrea :P
04:22 wizzyrea the answer you seek, there's not a definitive one
04:21 wizzyrea should you have one
04:21 wizzyrea or I guess you can just type your use restriction into the link text
04:21 wizzyrea yea, it's dupicated but... the item display can be so nice for that.
04:21 wizzyrea truly? I'd probably add the 856 *and* the item.
04:21 wizzyrea so that's possibly a case against 856
04:20 wizzyrea and not-for-loan
04:20 wizzyrea use restrictions are item only
04:20 jcamins wizzyrea: agreed, that makes sense.
04:20 wizzyrea use restrictions can be used to describe how things are NOT restricted, as well as how they *are*
04:20 dcook In the search results?
04:19 wizzyrea and so on
04:19 wizzyrea electronic item - web accessible
04:19 wizzyrea Electronic item - in library use only
04:19 wizzyrea then you can have
04:19 jcamins That makes sense.
04:19 wizzyrea or whatever
04:19 wizzyrea "Avaliable for reference
04:18 wizzyrea and a use restriction (it doesn't mean anything anyway)
04:18 jcamins Ohhh, got it.
04:18 wizzyrea a not for loan type of "electronic"
04:18 wizzyrea right, I'm saying you'd use both
04:18 jcamins I do that a lot.
04:18 jcamins You can create another option for not for loan.
04:18 dcook "use restrictions"?
04:18 dcook Oh?
04:18 wizzyrea just create one
04:18 * dcook agrees with jcamins
04:18 wizzyrea you can use "use restrictions" for that
04:18 dcook "Copies available electronically" perhaps
04:18 jcamins I prefer 856s because they will all show up in the results.
04:17 dcook Then possibly another label than "Available for reference"
04:17 dcook Yeah, that seems to be the only way I've been able to figure
04:17 wizzyrea so essentially, yes
04:17 wizzyrea or something like that
04:17 wizzyrea you make a not for loan type of "electronic resource"
04:16 wizzyrea and use the item note to differentiate them
04:16 dcook So if you have an item with a URL, do you just mark it as not for loan?
04:16 wizzyrea if you had more than one, I'd do it with urls in the items
04:16 wizzyrea I'd do it in the 856
04:16 dcook We wrote a feature a while ago that merged the 856 and 952 URLs anyway..
04:16 wizzyrea if you had one bibliographic record, with one resource associated
04:16 dcook Hmm, I suppose
04:15 wizzyrea the display of the 856's might be... unruly.
04:15 dcook Although I'm not sure that I understand it
04:15 dcook That scenario does seem fairly common
04:15 wizzyrea now that you can have URL's per item, it might make sense to have items
04:15 dcook I would think that you would have a bibliographic record for an electronic resource, use as many 856s as needed, and have 0 item records
04:15 dcook How do people handle electronic resources?
03:50 manny irc
03:36 jcamins My pleasure.
03:27 dcook Thanks for the stimulating conversation, jcamins :)
03:27 * dcook shrugs
03:24 dcook Leader19 will show "Show: " followed by a link of some kind..
03:24 jcamins Oh, that may be what I was thinking of.
03:23 dcook Volumes of sets and traced series show as "Show volumes"
03:23 dcook Oh wait...
03:23 dcook My XSLT (from 3.8.0) just says s - serial
03:23 jcamins Really? Maybe.
03:22 dcook That might be new
03:22 jcamins Or set, whichever it is.
03:22 jcamins Or collection.
03:22 dcook Because that is only shown if the host record has a fixed field of "s - serial"
03:22 dcook We probably could go for "Show articles" or something like that
03:22 dcook Now that I think about it, in the case of the label for "Show analytics"
03:21 jcamins Yup.
03:21 dcook And better to make a error consistently than to sometimes follow a standard and sometimes not
03:21 dcook As you said, it's all the cataloguers choice
03:21 dcook Even with a standard, it's not going to be implemented the same universally.
03:20 dcook That's the crux of the whole thing.
03:20 dcook hehe
03:20 jcamins Let's make four new standards for it, so that we can all agree. :P
03:20 dcook But it would be a lot of work as well
03:20 dcook I suppose you could do it with marc21
03:20 jcamins There should be.
03:19 dcook There should be a standard for it
03:19 dcook Right, but that's not standards based
03:19 jcamins That's what EasyAnalytics is for.
03:19 dcook contituent items even
03:19 dcook So you check out the kit (or volume), and all the constituents records become unavailable
03:18 dcook But you need to know that's part of a specific kit...and that that specific kit is tied to a particular record
03:18 jcamins Yes, that would make sense.
03:18 dcook You should be able to find each piece on its own...
03:18 dcook Having a container record (volume-equivalent) and then individual records for pieces
03:17 dcook Actually, we've talked a bit about that with "kits"
03:17 dcook From a search and circulation point of view, that could still make sense with the same title
03:16 jcamins Serial, volume, article.
03:16 jcamins Then there would be three levels of records.
03:16 jcamins Vol. 2 has the title "Libraries in Poland."
03:16 dcook I suppose having records for individual articles allows you to do more with 6XX fields as well
03:16 jcamins Vol. 1 of The Slavicist has the title "Slavic Librarianship."
03:16 dcook Mmm, I follow
03:15 jcamins For example...
03:15 jcamins Like, if each volume has its own title.
03:15 dcook As in unbound titles?
03:14 jcamins Only if there are independent titles.
03:14 dcook But by that same token, a serial should probably have a top level bib record for the work overall, then volume-level records with 730s for the individual articles
03:13 dcook As a bibliographic unit, it probably should have just one record
03:13 dcook So long as you index both titles, your user will find the record
03:12 dcook It makes sense to me insofar as it seems a bit purposeless to have another record
03:12 dcook Fair enough. I have been going pretty hard at you :p
03:12 jcamins Right.
03:12 * jcamins is too tired to think of another example of this offhand.
03:12 dcook The parent record will never have a pointer to the child record, unless it has a 774, no?
03:12 jcamins It's a bit weird, but if you think about it, it does actually make sense.
03:12 dcook Mm, still not following.
03:11 jcamins Just the one.
03:11 jcamins The 240 makes sense because there are no analytic records.
03:11 dcook But I figure that means the authorized title of the collective work happens to the be the same as the first work
03:11 dcook The 240 is...a bit confusing
03:10 dcook I take that to mean that this record is for the parent record or the collection
03:10 jcamins Why not?
03:10 dcook As the example says, " This edition consists of a collection of two separate works by the same author (cf. AACR2/LCRI 25.7), listed in a 505 contents note."
03:10 dcook That doesn't really make sense though.
03:09 jcamins Remember, this is all cataloger choice.
03:09 jcamins Which is why the presence of the 505 tells me that there's no other record.
03:09 jcamins But based on the 240, this is a record for the first child.
03:07 dcook or host
03:07 dcook Pointing back to the parent
03:07 dcook So there wouldn't be a 773, because the 773 is only in the child record
03:07 dcook That was the record for the collective works
03:07 dcook Ack, I tripped up a moment ago
03:06 jcamins If you want them collocated.
03:06 jcamins Right.
03:06 dcook 730s in the child records?
03:06 jcamins Yeah, and if they'd decided to go that way, they'd use linking fields, and 730s in the two child records.
03:05 dcook Ok, but there could be
03:05 jcamins There's a 505, 740, and no 773.
03:04 jcamins Sure there is.
03:04 dcook It seems to me that there's objectively no way to know if there is or is not more than one record in this instance :p
03:04 jcamins If they had more than one record. :P
03:03 dcook If they hadn't used 730s?
03:03 dcook When would there be though?
03:03 jcamins In that particular example.
03:03 jcamins And the reason you don't need linking is there's nothing to link to.
03:03 jcamins Right.
03:02 dcook Being mainly the number of 730s for a journal would be insane
03:02 dcook Oh no, I can understand why you'd use a 730 for a collected work but not a journal
03:01 jcamins I thought you were asking about why I would or would not use 730.
03:01 dcook Just a moment ago, you said "...there's no need for linking, just collocation"
03:01 jcamins No, I would.
03:01 dcook This whole time, I thought you were saying that you wouldn't
03:01 dcook ...
03:01 jcamins I would use 773 in both cases.
03:00 dcook jcamins: Rather, I want to know why you would link articles in a journal via 773 but not works in a collected work l
03:00 jcamins dcook: oh, I thought that's what you were trying to figure out...
03:00 wizzyrea plus that's what marc looks like to me most days.
03:00 dcook Not exactly
03:00 jcamins dcook: it's not, aren't you trying to figure out what "analytics" means?
03:00 wizzyrea it's in the solomon islands :)
02:59 wizzyrea it's not
02:59 dcook wizzyrea: That doesn't look like Greek :p
02:59 wizzyrea yea neat.
02:59 jcamins wizzyrea: ?
02:59 dcook I haven't seen the term "analytics" used anywhere in MARC21 except in terms of "analytical entries"
02:59 wizzyrea gu4d4lc4n4l
02:59 jcamins Right, but not analytics.
02:59 dcook They're added entries rather than linked entries...
02:58 dcook According to MARC21, that 700 and 740 are analytical entries
02:57 jcamins So there's no need for linking, just collocation.
02:57 jcamins That's a single record.
02:57 jcamins There are no analytics at all there.
02:57 dcook A better link: http://www.tulane.edu/~techserv/addedentries.html#eg2
02:56 dcook In this case, they both were published before...just the 2nd one had a different title
02:56 dcook Unless this isn't the example I'm thinking of
02:56 dcook Oh wait...I'm silly
02:55 dcook http://www.tulane.edu/~techserv/addedentries.html
02:55 * dcook tries to find the example
02:55 * jcamins tries to think of other possibilities.
02:54 * dcook shrugs
02:54 jcamins Reissue?
02:54 dcook Well, perhaps not certainly
02:54 dcook Actually, almost certainly
02:54 dcook Perhaps I use the word "reprint" incorrectly
02:54 jcamins (and there would be two records)
02:53 jcamins You'd just include a note "published with a reprint of work 1, pp. 1-100."
02:53 dcook Well, regardless of that, back to both being published independently and later combined into a single binding.
02:53 wizzyrea sounds like a remote edge case
02:53 jcamins I don't think there is a term.
02:53 dcook What would it be called?
02:52 jcamins That wouldn't usually be called a "bound-with."
02:52 dcook wizzyrea: But maybe one day.
02:51 dcook wizzyrea: Not really.
02:51 dcook But the second was published for the first time in the book with the reprint of the first
02:51 wizzyrea a case you have to deal with?
02:51 dcook The first work had been published before
02:51 jcamins Oh?
02:51 dcook But anyway
02:51 dcook I read about a case where that wasn't necessarily the situation
02:51 dcook Possibly
02:51 jcamins That were published completely independently and later combined into a single binding.
02:50 jcamins Right.
02:50 dcook Within that book, you have several related or unrelated works
02:50 dcook You have a book with or without a collective title.
02:50 jcamins Possibly.
02:50 dcook I'm fairly new to the term, admittedly.
02:50 jcamins At least, that's the normal practice.
02:50 dcook I'm wondering if we have different ideas about what a bound-with is?
02:49 dcook O_o
02:49 jcamins Just articles.
02:49 jcamins The bound-with doesn't have a volume record.
02:49 dcook But that takes us back to the bound-with scenario.
02:49 jcamins Yup.
02:48 dcook Ok, fair enough.
02:48 dcook Hence, the reason for anthology when describing the process of collocation and connection
02:48 dcook Right
02:48 jcamins Only via the parent journal.
02:48 dcook Mmm, but I see what you mean
02:48 dcook But you would want them linked
02:48 dcook You probably wouldn't want them collocated
02:48 dcook You're not saying the same thing though
02:47 jcamins Do you *really* want every article collocated with every article in each of those 175 volumes?
02:47 jcamins you might have 175 volumes of a journal.
02:47 jcamins Think about it...
02:47 dcook O_o
02:47 jcamins Yes.
02:47 dcook And I was thinking "anthology -> essays/stories/works" would be the same
02:47 jcamins The reason I used anthology instead of journal is that you'd never link articles in a journal.
02:46 jcamins Yes.
02:46 dcook What you described seems like the regular process for a journal -> article relationship
02:46 dcook I'm a bit confused by your use of the term anthology.
02:45 dcook Probably not in this case.
02:45 jcamins But 787 doesn't make sense.
02:44 jcamins That's about it, actually.
02:44 dcook I'm with you so far.
02:43 jcamins So you add 730s.
02:43 jcamins But you might want to collocate them anyway.
02:42 jcamins However, the articles do not have any particular bibliographic relationship to each other.
02:42 jcamins The articles can be linked to the anthology with 774s.
02:42 jcamins That's with 773.
02:40 jcamins The anthology has several analytics. Articles 1, 2, 3, and 4.
02:40 dcook k
02:40 dcook I can understand "Book" -> "Chapter" as an analytic. But wouldn't "Book" -> "Work 1" also be an analytic?
02:40 jcamins So, let's say we have an anthology that was analyzed.
02:39 dcook Wait, no I don't, lol
02:39 dcook Mm, I think I see what you're saying
02:39 dcook article to article?
02:38 dcook O_o
02:38 dcook At least as LoC/MARC21 define it
02:38 jcamins Unless you mean from article to article, in which case you'd use 730/740.
02:38 dcook In the context of a bound-with, I'm fairly certain that the 730 would also be used as an analytic
02:38 jcamins Those are analytics.
02:37 dcook I suppose it would be silly to reproduce a lot of the bibliographic information in multiple records when all you want is another title..
02:37 dcook Say you have an item with a collective title of essays
02:37 dcook But how is that really any different than a serial?
02:36 dcook Hmm.
02:34 jcamins It is an accident of collocation.
02:34 jcamins There is no bibliographic relationship.
02:33 dcook Why aren't they linked in a way appropriate for 76x-78x?
02:33 dcook Well, that's something I wasn't entirely clear on.
02:32 jcamins Because the records aren't actually *linked* in a way appropriate for 76x-78x, but you'd like them collocated.
02:32 dcook Mmm, authority control.
02:32 dcook Yeah, I was reading a bit about that as well. That makes sense.
02:32 jcamins (in instances where they're related)
02:31 jcamins I also use 730 for bound-withs.
02:31 jcamins Exactly.
02:31 * dcook feels a bit like he's levelled up his MARC21 knowledge
02:30 dcook jcamins: I think I see now what you meant about collocation and connection. You're not always going to have separate records...but you might always want an added entry (unless you have a lot of added entries(
02:30 dcook LoC gives an example where a record has a 730 and a 787...http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd730.html
02:29 dcook Aha!
02:28 dcook Perhaps more rare for serials than monographs
02:28 dcook I imagine that 730 and 740s must be fairly rare as well
02:26 dcook But then since there are other types of linking relationships...maybe it does make sense to have another set for linking
02:26 dcook With the exception of the 730 and 740
02:26 dcook I suppose a lot of added entries wouldn't be useful for linking
02:25 jcamins Yup.
02:25 dcook And I think perhaps a couple different subfields
02:25 dcook It seems fairly similar to the 773 but with a different constant
02:25 dcook I added that one in recently but haven't sent in a patch yet
02:25 jcamins I don't think we handle 787 now.
02:25 jcamins Yes.
02:24 dcook jcamins: You mean in terms of the 773 (and possibly 787)?
02:23 dcook Wait...sometimes, I think you would
02:23 jcamins Actually, looking at the way things are configured, linking entries are used for both.
02:23 dcook Mmm, I suppose not.
02:22 jcamins Because you don't usually want both.
02:22 dcook Why not have one entry that does both?
02:22 dcook It seems silly to me to have separate entries in that case
02:21 jcamins Linking entries are for connection but probably not collocation.
02:21 jcamins Added entries are for collocation, not connection.
02:21 dcook Yet, they do not in themselves link to those constituent records..
02:20 dcook The added entries explicitly say that they are to be used for analytic entries
02:20 dcook I suppose I'm still a bit confused as to the difference of added entries vs linking entries in the context of analytics
02:20 jcamins To both those observations.
02:19 jcamins Yes, definitely.
02:19 dcook You mentioned that 774s are rare...
02:19 dcook If you did want to share records or use another system some day, it seems like you'd be in trouble.
02:18 dcook I haven't seen it implemented, but it sounds very practical. Provided that you continue to use Koha.
02:16 jcamins But it's very practical.
02:15 jcamins It's not as elegant as enhanced analytics.
02:15 jcamins It is.
02:14 dcook Hmm, EasyAnalyticalRecords is a neat idea.
02:12 jcamins You're welcome.
02:12 dcook Interesting...thanks for the info :)
02:10 jcamins UseControlNo must be on, though.
02:10 jcamins No, EasyAnalyticalRecords has to be turned off.
02:10 dcook Although you need to have EasyAnalyticalRecords and UseControlNo turned on for #3?
02:09 jcamins Exactly.
02:09 jcamins Right, right, and "enhanced" analytics that pre-populates 773s in new records.
02:09 dcook A link/button that adds a child record?
02:09 dcook 3) ...
02:09 dcook 2) EasyAnalyticalRecords, which creates a link next to the item record where you can link to other records?
02:08 dcook 1) Catalogue by hand using the 773
02:08 dcook I think I understood while watching the video...but now I'm a bit back to square one
01:58 jcamins Well, other than the bizarreness of the way they decided to encode the added data.
01:58 jcamins And the authority records.
01:58 jcamins Yeah, I'm so jealous of kf's analytics.
01:58 jcamins Please disregard the funny hair.
01:58 dcook Whoa...kf's catalogue does sound rather well linked
01:57 jcamins http://archive.org/details/Kohacon12-AnalyticRecordsAndKoha
01:57 jcamins Actually I do.
01:57 dcook Do you have the link handy?
01:57 dcook Hmm, perhaps I'll have to watch the video again sometime
01:57 jcamins That was definitely about 3.8.
01:57 jcamins All should be available.
01:56 dcook Plus, at the moment, I'm more interested in knowing what is "supposed" to occur rather than what "does" occur
01:56 dcook I think it talked about 3 workflows, but I'm not sure all are available to me at the moment
01:56 dcook Hmm
01:55 jcamins It was given shortly after the release of 3.8, wasn't it?
01:54 jcamins It couldn't have been about a version post-3.8.
01:54 jcamins Yeah.
01:54 dcook I can be a bit ADD with videos as well ;)
01:54 dcook The one from Kohacon12?
01:54 jcamins It was called Analytic records and Koha.
01:54 dcook Since it's for a version of Koha beyond 3.8.0, it didn't meet my immediate needs
01:54 dcook Mmm, ish
01:53 jcamins You saw my talk, eh?
01:53 jcamins Well...
01:53 jcamins Yeah, and unfortunately it's probably the best you're going to get.
01:53 dcook Fair enough, but at least it's a conversation
01:51 jcamins That's not a great place to look for comprehension.
01:51 dcook Partially for labelling purposes, and partially just for comprehension
01:50 dcook Right, just looking at all the information I can get on "analytics"
01:50 jcamins You know that RFC was never developed, right?
01:50 dcook You wouldn't have a bib for each serial volume...just for the serial title
01:50 dcook I hadn't thought of it like that..
01:50 dcook Good point
01:50 dcook "jcamins: We have one journal with 4176+ analytics"
01:49 * dcook is looking at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Talk:Analytic_Record_support as we speak
01:48 dcook And the use of 700-750(?) added entries for analytics
01:48 jcamins 774 is rarely used, alas.
01:48 dcook At the moment, I'm thinking about 773/774 pairings...
01:48 dcook I'm a bit over the 730/740 at the moment anyway
01:47 jcamins Very similar, yes.
01:47 dcook Seems like the whole 440/490 thing
01:47 dcook Here's the 740: "Added entries for related or analytical titles that are not controlled through an authority file or list. (If related or analytical titles are controlled by an authority file, use field 730 (Added entry - uniform title))."
01:47 dcook That's from the 730
01:46 dcook "Uniform title, a related or an analytical title that is controlled by an authority file or list, used as an added entry."
01:46 jcamins dcook: no, 730 is for uniform titles, which are for things that *can be cataloged separately*.
01:46 dcook (or if there were an authority record present...not entirely sure on that distinction)
01:46 dcook Depending on if it were a uniform title
01:46 dcook jcamins: Wouldn't that be a 730?
01:45 dcook wizzyrea: Perhaps?
01:45 wizzyrea dcook I think what you are wanting is the thing that tracks requests for articles, but doesn't have to circulate them.
01:45 dcook How is 740 an equivalent of 246?
01:45 jcamins i.e. a title added entry rather than additional title would go in a 740 instead of a 246.
01:45 jcamins 740 is the equivalent of a 246 where it's not just an added title.
01:44 jcamins dcook: actually, the distinction between 730 and 740 isn't that weird, if you think about it.
01:43 dcook "Constituents" is pretty esoteric as well..
01:38 dcook You can't really circulate a journal article (except via photocopy or scan)
01:38 dcook While you might circulate the journal volume
01:37 dcook Analytics also present an odd situation for lending...
01:35 dcook But "Analytics" is a rather esoteric term to use..
01:34 dcook Because you can have analytics for things other than articles
01:34 dcook Because strictly speaking "Articles" wouldn't be a good label
01:34 dcook Looking at changing the word "Analytics" on the catalogue, and trying to think of the best label...
01:31 dcook Yep :)
01:31 wizzyrea it's a library, they're full of mad schemes
01:31 dcook In fact, the more I read, the more I think that "analytics" is a subject about which there are conflicting views
01:30 dcook Yeah, I've read it, but I don't think it's 100% correct
01:30 dcook hehe
01:30 wizzyrea kek.
01:30 wahanui the 773$w field contains the value of the 001 field of the parent record. Also, MARC sucks.
01:30 wizzyrea analytics?
01:30 wizzyrea it's SO helpful.
01:29 wizzyrea dcook you've seen the wiki page for koha analytics eh?
01:22 druthb AACR2--
01:21 dcook :o
01:21 huginn` dcook: Karma for "AACR2" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1.
01:21 dcook @karma AACR2
01:21 huginn` dcook: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
01:21 dcook @karm AACR2
01:21 dcook AACR2--
01:21 dcook Actually...
01:19 dcook Today seems more enlightening...in a terrifying way
01:19 dcook But I remember during one of my first cataloguing classes...my instructor mentioned "analytics" and I didn't really understand what she meant until recently
01:19 dcook Well, maybe these ones
01:19 dcook Although I'm not sure many cataloguers understand these distinctions either
01:18 dcook No doubt about it
01:18 druthb the mind of a cataloger is a scary place.
01:18 dcook O_o
01:18 dcook 740 is an added entry title (without an authority)
01:18 dcook 730 is for an added entry title (with an authority)
01:18 dcook Nope...doesn't look like it
01:17 * dcook checks to see if the 740 is actually obsolete
01:17 dcook The difference between the 730 and the 740 is weird...
01:16 druthb awr!
01:16 huginn` druthb: Karma for "MARC" has been increased 1 time and decreased 25 times for a total karma of -24.
01:16 druthb @karma MARC
01:09 dcook MARC--
00:40 dcook morning #koha
00:34 tcohen night #koha