IRC log for #koha, 2013-07-11

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00:05 mtompset Woo hoo! I think I got the override working. Kaboom!
00:06 dcook Kaboom?
00:06 dcook That doesn't sound good :p
00:07 wizzyrea you know, when one deletes a borrower the lists should really go back to owner 0 instead of NULL.
00:07 wizzyrea then at least teh superlibrarian can get at them.
00:08 dcook Really?
00:08 wahanui Really is, like, off now
00:09 * wizzyrea tests this theory
00:09 dcook But if your admin account isn't borrower #0, you're still hooped, no?
00:09 wizzyrea that's the db user
00:09 wizzyrea user 0
00:09 dcook Interesting
00:09 wahanui hmmm... Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
00:10 dcook I suppose in that case you could have your db user do the mop up...
00:10 dcook It seems to me that any superlibrarian should be able to manage all lists though
00:11 wizzyrea yep, agreed there
00:16 mtompset There was supposed to be an earth shattering kaboom. And there was. There was an earth shattering kaboom. :P
00:18 mtompset -- when I found an unrelated bug in testing. :P
00:34 jcamins Good news! The staff side browsing I implemented works in a way that is unlikely to break the staff client.
00:35 dcook Huzzah, jcamins!
00:37 jcamins It was way harder than one would think it should be.
00:38 dcook I'm not entirely sure what you even mean by staff side browsing, but it sounds good ;)
00:38 wizzyrea me either :)
00:38 jcamins dcook: it's not not really "browsing," but that's what we call it on the OPAC.
00:38 jcamins Paging through results.
00:38 wizzyrea oghhhhh
00:38 jcamins ... you don't like paging through results?
00:39 wizzyrea no I do, i typo'd ohhh
00:39 * jcamins was picturing you clutching your stomach in agony at the thought.
00:39 wizzyrea hehe double oops
00:40 mtompset Back in a moment, hopefully... Bye, bye. Waterfox. I want my quicktime plug in.
00:41 jcamins Now I have to put the paging on the other views.
00:41 dcook jcamins: I'm even more intrigued now
00:41 wizzyrea you mean the marc detail and the isbd view?
00:42 jcamins Yup.
00:42 dcook jcamins: Are you referring to the ability to do a search, go into a record, then go "previous" or "next" from the detail record?
00:42 jcamins Exactly.
00:43 dcook Sweeeet
00:43 jcamins And I designed it so that it would A) not take down the server and B) not cause a mess someone screwed up their Javascript.
00:45 dcook Sounds good :)
00:46 dcook I want to say that I've heard of people wanting this...
00:47 wizzyrea i am sure people will find it useful
00:47 * jcamins has gotten a ton of requests for it.
00:49 jcamins Okay, wait a minute.
00:49 jcamins Is there no way to view anything other than the standard view from a results page?
00:49 jcamins I thought there were links.
00:49 jcamins Found it.
00:49 jcamins The syspref is under Cataloging, of all places.
00:50 dcook What's the syspref?
00:50 wahanui i think the syspref is only there, so people can switch to zebra
00:50 jcamins ... and it doesn't work.
00:50 jcamins IntranetBiblioDefaultView.
00:51 dcook Hmm, yep. Looks busted.
00:51 jcamins Well, at least I know.
00:51 dcook \o/
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00:55 jcamins Actually, you know what?
00:56 jcamins IntranetDefaultBiblioView or whatever it is doesn't do anything no matter what.
00:56 dcook Never used in the code?
00:57 wizzyrea i *kinow* that used to work
00:57 wizzyrea know*
00:57 jcamins I'm pretty sure it used to work too, but I have XSLT disabled and it's set to labelled MARC view, and it does nothing.
00:58 jcamins Fortunately that is a prime example of something which is of absolutely no importance whatsoever to me, so having reported the bug, I no longer have to think about it.
00:58 * jcamins goes to eat some dinner.
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01:05 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
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02:59 wizzyrea please pass it on, catalyst is running a demo site with oleonard's bootstrap opac at
02:59 wizzyrea the machine is a little underpowered, so we don't want to send it to the list.
03:00 wizzyrea (it works fine, it's just not designed for 100 people hitting it at the same time ^.^)
03:16 dcook wizzyrea: Pass it on to whom?
03:16 wizzyrea anytime it comes up here
03:16 wizzyrea "wouldn't it be cool if the opac were bootstrap"
03:16 wizzyrea "owen's doing work on that there's an up to date demo at..."
03:16 wizzyrea etc.
03:18 dcook Mmm, cool beans
03:18 dcook oleonard++
03:18 wizzyrea bootstrap?
03:18 wahanui an up to date demo of the Bootstrap OPAC can be found at - it's tracking from oleonard's branch bootstrap-opac on gitorious.
03:20 wizzyrea bootstrap
03:20 wahanui an up to date demo of the Bootstrap OPAC can be found at - it's tracking from oleonard's branch bootstrap-opac on gitorious. Bug reports should be filed on bug 10309.
03:20 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10309 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , New OPAC theme based on Bootstrap
03:27 dcook XSLT++
03:28 dcook Just sayin'. I prefer this so much more than using the Perl/TT detail display.
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03:41 dcook Data conversion...yay
03:41 dcook Hey, Oak :)
03:42 Oak hello dcook :)
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05:57 drojf goof morning #koha
05:57 dcook morning drojf
05:57 drojf s/goof/good
05:57 drojf hi dcook
05:59 drojf cait++ :)
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06:26 cait hi #koha
06:26 reiveune hello
06:26 cait hi reiveune :)
06:26 reiveune hi cait :)
06:27 drojf hi cait
06:27 drojf thanks for writing my test plan and testing :)
06:28 cait :)
06:28 dcook salut reiveune :)
06:28 drojf i wanted to but then got distracted by some weird things
06:28 dcook \o/ weird things
06:28 * dcook vows to stop answering the phone and actually write his little blurb
06:30 reiveune salut dcook :)
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06:55 marcelr hi #koha
06:56 marcelr just put a patch with 80461 lines on bug 10520
06:56 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10520 normal, P5 - low, ---,, Needs Signoff , Add i18n function to English mysql files for webinstaller
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06:56 christophe_c hello #koha
06:56 marcelr hi christophe_c
06:57 christophe_c hi marcelr
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07:22 gaetan_B hello
07:22 wahanui bidet, gaetan_B
07:23 marcelr hi gaetan_B
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07:32 kf good morning #koha
07:33 dcook night night #koha
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07:34 marcelr bye dcook
07:34 marcelr hi kf
07:35 kf hi marcelr
07:52 drojf hi marcelr and kf
07:52 marcelr hi drojf
07:55 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
07:55 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 18.6°C (9:43 AM CEST on July 11, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
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09:00 eythian hi
09:00 wahanui niihau, eythian
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09:27 drojf eythian: around?
09:27 eythian yarp
09:28 drojf would it be a horrible idea to have a command for the koha packages that sets some sysprefs? iw as thinking about something like koha-privacy <level> <instancename> that sets relevant sysprefs automatically
09:29 eythian hmm. 'koha-privacy' isn't really a good one, because it doesn't make a lot of sense. But something that let you set sysprefs and perhaps had some built in profiles could be an interesting thing to do.
09:30 drojf why does privacy not make sense?
09:38 * kf waves again back from a meeting
09:38 kf drojf: there is a script from pianohacker somewhere for doing that on normal installations
09:38 eythian because how do you get a level out of a bunch of orthogonal parameters?
09:39 eythian also, it's overly specific.
09:40 eythian as soon as you're writing something to change sysprefs, you may as well make it work with many different things.
09:40 eythian all this said, I wonder if something like that would be better done as an enhancement to the web interface.
09:41 eythian it's not really the responsibility of the sysadmin (in general), it's the library staff who should determine the sysprefs.
09:43 drojf not sure about the level. personally i only like "disable all the third party junk and especially social networks", so turning off everything is the only level i need ;) also i have no concrete plans to do it, but i have a privacy/opt-out page for privacy-related sysprefs somewhere on my "would like to work on it some day" pile and came to the idea of the package command in the shower this morning.
09:43 drojf hmm yes that makes sense about sysadmin vs librarian
09:47 drojf kf: somehwere as on bugzilla or somewhere on the internet?
09:47 kf somewhere in koha :)
09:48 kf not sure if it's usable, but it shoudl be somewhere in misc
09:48 drojf ah
09:48 drojf cool
09:48 kf[…]1b216d2bab8efbdc9
09:48 kf koha-preferences - Get, set, dump and load Koha system preferences
09:50 kf the dump and load might work for profiles?
09:51 drojf i think so. nice
11:05 marcelr drojf: there is also in misc/maintenance
11:06 marcelr there is some overlap with koha-preferences but cmp compares too
11:18 eythian kf: bug 10574
11:18 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10574 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , Remove the message about upgrading to 3.4
11:22 kf heh
11:22 kf just mailed it to the coworker ;)
11:23 kf eythian: will you also take a look at the -y for apt-get?
11:23 eythian kf: to what end?
11:23 kf then it would never ask you for confirmation
11:24 eythian once I stop that message from displaying, what would it ask you about now?
11:24 kf thought we might end up with another message sometime in the future :)
11:24 kf but shoudl be alright
11:25 eythian I actually suspect that's the wrong way to do it
11:25 eythian I think -y is just about apt questions.
11:25 eythian not debconf
11:26 eythian though I'm not sure
11:26 jcamins That is my understanding as well.
11:27 eythian ah, what you're supposed to do is set the environment variable DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive
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12:02 * eythian deletes 3.5GB of old build files from his working directory.
12:02 eythian that'll clean things up a little
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12:12 oleonard Hi #koha
12:13 * oleonard loves getting secret messages from huginn`
12:16 jcamins Good morning, oleonard. What do you think of the Previous/Next buttons in this screenshot:
12:16 oleonard For search results?
12:16 jcamins Yeah.
12:19 oleonard I'm concerned that without references to "results" like the OPAC version has it's not clear what they're for.
12:20 jcamins I can easily add that.
12:20 oleonard I also think they probably belong above the tabs
12:20 jcamins Something like...
12:21 marcelr the intriguing bug 9743 is ready again for some testing :)
12:21 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9743 enhancement, P5 - low, ---,, Needs Signoff , Mandatory opac hold notes under specified conditions
12:21 jcamins Well that's weird. The "Browse results" text is appearing behind the buttons.
12:22 jcamins Okay, so it'll take me several minutes to figure this out.
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12:32 jcamins oleonard: so something like this:
12:32 jcamins ?
12:38 oleonard jcamins: Do you plan on offering a "back to results" link?
12:39 jcamins oleonard: that's a good idea.
12:39 kf jcamins: i like that better than below
12:39 jcamins I had not planned on it, but I certainly can.
12:39 kf could we put it on the left side like we do in the opac?
12:39 jcamins On the right side?
12:39 kf um the other left... right
12:39 kf yes
12:39 jcamins Not without messing up the layout, I don't think.
12:40 oleonard jcamins: Offering a "back to results" link would orient the user well enough without the "browse" label I think
12:40 jcamins I'd have to change the layout to three-column, which seems like something we don't want.
12:41 kf jcamins: is the browse results the same functionality as in the opac?
12:41 kf clickable?
12:41 kf or just a heading
12:41 kf /label
12:41 jcamins Just a heading.
12:41 kf i think then i would remove it
12:41 jcamins But I'm changing it to "Return to results."
12:41 kf or that
12:42 oleonard I know I've seen it in action before but I forget, what is the question mark think you have running on your test installations?
12:42 jcamins It's Plack.
12:43 jcamins That's a debug pane with information about performance, requests, etc.
12:50 jcamins So, more like this: ?
12:51 oleonard Yes
12:52 oleonard Styling needs to be fiddled with, but I think that's on the right track
12:52 * oleonard can't figure out why he suddenly wants fudge popsicles
12:53 jcamins Hehe.
12:54 jcamins Don't they sound delicious?
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13:14 eythian wahanui: javascript
13:14 wahanui javascript is required for interactions with clicks
13:14 eythian wahanui: javascript is also[…]he-good-parts.jpg
13:14 wahanui okay, eythian.
13:15 druthb wahanui:  logs?
13:15 wahanui i guess logs is
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13:38 tcohen heh
13:39 kf hi tcohen :)
13:39 kf hi druthb_away :)
13:41 tcohen hi kf druthb_away
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14:11 * eythian volunteers kf to test bug 10574 for me
14:12 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10574 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Remove the message about upgrading to 3.4
14:13 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: bug 10548: fix count of missing required dependencies by <[…]bdc84aa339e618bcc>
14:17 jenkins_koha Starting build #1300 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:20 kf eythian: i am volunteering the coworker
14:20 eythian that's fine too :)
14:23 kf :)
14:23 kf might take a bit
14:24 eythian I'm not sure that's acceptable...:)
14:28 kf heh
14:28 kf i think it was not acceptable that it didn't work right from the beginning :P
14:28 kf *hides*
14:30 kf eythian: nothing in return?
14:31 eythian it worked perfectly fine in the beginning, it was just a bit overzealous!
14:32 kf hehe
14:32 kf ok :)
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14:32 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
14:32 kf hi mtompset
14:32 mtompset Greetings, kf!
14:33 mtompset I know that newer code needs to meet perlcritic -5 testing, but excluding use strict and use warnings causes my code to fail the perlcritic -5 testing. What should I do?
14:34 eythian why are you excluding them?
14:34 mtompset using Modern::Perl instead.
14:34 eythian if because you have Modern::Perl then I'd say that's OK
14:34 mtompset But it fails the perlcritic -5 test.
14:35 kf it's ok, it's your perlcriticthing file not being the right one
14:35 eythian then we should have a perlcritic rule to avoid that
14:35 kf we have one
14:35 eythian oh, OK
14:35 kf in the file that comes witht he qa tools
14:35 eythian then you shoul duse that, mtompset
14:35 kf but i think you have to copy it someplace
14:35 kf i forgot what i had to do there and can't check right now :(
14:36 mtompset I have the qa tools test, and it failed.
14:38 tcohen run perlcritic -p perlcriticrc_file
14:39 mtompset AH! okay...
14:42 mtompset how do I make the perlcriticrc file with qa-tools the default one?
14:43 eythian ~/.perlcriticrc
14:45 kf oleonard++
14:45 kf the one and only superlibrarian :)
14:46 kf including cape of course
14:47 mtompset eythian++ # thanks, I have a better perlcriticrc now. :)
14:47 eythian cool. though you should probably include or symlink to the koha one so that if it changes, you don't have to copy it over again
14:48 kf eythian++ :)
14:48 eythian kf: you've tested that patch yet? ;)
14:48 oleonard No capes!
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14:52 kf :)
14:53 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6898: fix DB update that assigns the circulate/overdues_report permission <[…]e913779c38c19bdc4>
14:59 mtompset oleonard++ # no capes! ;)
14:59 kf okok, i don#t insist on a cape
15:04 oleonard I'll bet that entire scene was prompted by the fact that Pixar didn't want to have to animate a main character wearing a cape.
15:09 mtompset I think only in part, oleonard.
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15:31 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1300: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1300/
15:31 jenkins_koha Mark Tompsett: bug 10548: fix count of missing required dependencies by
15:31 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10548 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , miscounts dependencies displayed
15:32 jenkins_koha Starting build #1301 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:38 mtompset Sweet!
15:38 mtompset I feel the bug fix trickle of love. :)
15:39 eythian how disturbing
15:39 mtompset disturbing?
15:39 eythian your phrasing.
15:40 mtompset bug fix trickle of love?
15:40 eythian yes
15:40 mtompset Only if you think that trickle means something else. :P
15:41 mtompset So, "I feel the love from the gentle trickle of bug fixes" is better? :P
15:42 eythian I guess it'll have to do
15:45 mtompset Is it better to use the C4::Context userenv hash over intentionally SQL querying for a users home branch?
15:45 eythian I should think so
15:45 pianohacker mtompset: Yes, as staff users can change their branch
15:45 pianohacker (upon login)
15:46 mtompset Is patron category in the userenv hash? Should it be, if it isn't?
15:48 mtompset Yes, but that would be the advantage of querying via SQL for the home branch, because the user wouldn't have to log out and log in, if the staff changed their home branch. But I suppose that isn't enough of a gain to not use the userenv hash.
15:51 eythian I don't think it's persistent within their session
15:58 mtompset system preferences: underscores good, okay, bad?
15:59 slef IThinkWePrefereCamelCase
15:59 pianohacker mtompset: Generally not preferred, just about everything these days is CamelCase
15:59 slef except spellcheck doesn't work on them :-/
16:00 mtompset Okay... noted. :)
16:00 mtompset Lunch! :)
16:01 eythian mtompset: if you're asking that, it would suggest that you ought to look at the existing ones and create new ones in a manner similar to them.
16:01 slef eythian: dupload or dput?
16:01 eythian Not that they're consistent at all
16:01 eythian slef: I use dput
16:01 eythian then I rsync the repo
16:02 oleonard Why does Basketgroups have a button that says "close and print?" Has that button ever made something print?
16:02 slef ooh debrelease
16:02 * oleonard tested a version from a couple of years back and it didn't work then
16:03 eythian oleonard: I'm surprised no one has brought that up
16:06 oleonard Ah, had to go back a couple more years to find a working version.
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16:25 oleonard git bisect, you are drunk.
16:32 eythian git bisect is a bad drunk
16:45 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1301: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1301/
16:45 jenkins_koha Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 6898: fix DB update that assigns the circulate/overdues_report permission
16:45 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6898 major, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , circulation librarians can't run overdues without reports permissions
16:46 jenkins_koha Starting build #1302 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:58 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10535: by default sort funds by name <[…]96a349242d3d2ff66>
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18:02 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1302: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1302/
18:02 Dyrcona gmcharlt: I'm testing your wip branch of MARC::Charset right now.
18:02 Dyrcona I should know if it fixes my issues in a half hour or soe.
18:03 gmcharlt it improves it, but there's at least one Hangul character that breaks it
18:03 jenkins_koha Starting build #1303 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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18:04 Dyrcona Well, it has chugged through 15000 records without a problem so far.
18:04 Dyrcona If if makes through all 240 000, I say release it. :)
18:12 Dyrcona gmcharlt: Looks like I found that Hangul character in record # 70 632. :(
18:13 Dyrcona You want me to send you that record. I probably sent it before.
18:13 gmcharlt no, I've got it
18:13 Dyrcona OK.
18:13 Dyrcona I still think this is enough of an improvement to justify releasing 1.35
18:24 edveal I have a suppression question. If I bib record is suppressed and you find another record and replace the bib number with the bib number of the suppressed record, then the suppressed record should display in the opac or not?
18:30 mtompset can you have duplicate biblionumbers?
18:30 edveal No
18:31 mtompset So, then I don't understand your scenario.
18:31 edveal If you find any other bib record and then replace the bib # in the URL with the bib # of the suppressed record will it show up?
18:32 mtompset Ah.
18:34 mtompset Oh my!
18:34 oleonard edveal: Can't you simply try it?
18:34 mtompset the url showed me a hidden item.
18:35 edveal Yes and it seems to work.
18:35 edveal Thanks just wanted confirmation.
18:35 mtompset I can confirm what you are worried about edveal.
18:35 mtompset Shoot. Now I'm worried about it.
18:36 oleonard I don't get it. Why wouldn't the non-suppressed biblio appear?
18:36 edveal The reason is suppression prevents the record form being searched not displayed.
18:36 edveal Which is fine for the OPAC.
18:36 oleonard Oh I get it, I had it reversed
18:36 edveal Patrons don't know bib numbers anyway.
18:36 mtompset True.
18:37 edveal Just wanted to confirm this. Thanks.
18:37 mtompset But some mal-content could mine through a sequence to find things.
19:00 gaetan_B bye !
19:00 oleonard I wonder why we have 6075 items in our production database which have NULL items.onloan but are checked out
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19:04 * cait waves
19:15 oleonard Hi again cait
19:16 cait hi oleonard :)
19:16 oleonard After talking about JS translatability I dusted off a patch I worked on a while ago and submitted it
19:16 oleonard More acquisitions JavaScript
19:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1303: SUCCESS in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1303/
19:18 jenkins_koha Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10535: by default sort funds by name
19:18 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10535 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , by default sort funds by name
19:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #1304 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:32 jcamins oleonard: do you by any chance know of a site that you think has nice forward/back/return to results buttons that I could imitate?
19:33 oleonard No :(
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19:43 oleonard jcamins: With an authority search, the option to choose chronological term, personal name, etc... What would you label that?
19:44 oleonard Authority type?
19:44 wahanui somebody said Authority type was going to be a problem.
19:44 jcamins Yeah, probably.
19:52 oleonard I thought it would probably be more flexible to reorder the authority search form in the OPAC like this:
19:52 oleonard ...but I'm not sure about the labels
19:52 oleonard "Keyword(s)" must be wrong, since the next option references "keyword" too
19:53 cait oleonard: thx for the patch - and i like the idea for the search form
19:56 rangi bug 9282
19:56 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9282 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Passed QA , authorities auto-completion in mainmainentry
19:56 cait morning rangi
19:57 rangi can we change hemain to heman
19:57 rangi
19:57 pianohacker hey rangi
19:57 cait *giggles*
19:57 pianohacker hey cait
19:57 cait hi pianohacker :)
19:57 * cait votes for shera
19:58 cait
19:58 cait omg that voice.
20:00 rangi hehe
20:01 rangi i wonder if i can get needs signoff back down to 160ish
20:01 rangi and signed off to 65
20:01 rangi thats my goal, depending on what happens at work
20:01 rambutan bugs?
20:01 wahanui bugs is http://devopsreactions.tumblr.[…]ter-a-new-release
20:02 rambutan bugzilla?
20:02 wahanui i heard bugzilla was found at
20:02 rambutan tnaks
20:02 rangi dashboard?
20:02 wahanui dashboard is at
20:03 rangi rambutan: ^ thats quite handy
20:03 oleonard Any thoughts about the authority search labels jcamins?
20:03 jcamins oleonard: oh, yeah, I was going to respond when the wifi died then I forgot.
20:03 jcamins What about changing "Keyword(s)" to "Term(s)"?
20:03 oleonard Sounds good to me
20:04 cait rangi: i may be able to help some
20:04 jcamins I think most people know that a term is a word, and it won't make people think they're doing a keyword search when they're not.
20:04 rangi cait++
20:04 cait hm?
20:05 rambutan wahanui: bug 10240
20:05 wahanui bug 10240 is pretty cool, if I say so myself.
20:05 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10240 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Offline circulation using HTML5 and IndexedDB
20:06 rangi it is pretty cool
20:06 rangi i thought i signed that off
20:06 rangi maybe i was dreaming
20:07 jcamins rangi: you did.
20:07 rangi cait: if you sign off magnuses translation thingy of the sql
20:07 jcamins I wrote more patches.
20:07 rangi i will qa it
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20:07 cait hm can you give me the bug number again?
20:07 cait i haven't had time to look att he new translation patches lately
20:07 cait sadly
20:07 rangi bug 10509
20:07 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10509 normal, P5 - low, ---,, Needs Signoff , Using i18n function for translation in webinstaller mysql files
20:07 oleonard See y'all later
20:07 rangi jcamins: ahh cool will test the new patches
20:07 rangi oleonard: cya
20:08 pianohacker bye oleonard
20:17 rangi ok school run, bbiab
20:19 jcamins Well... this is weird. I have two records with null biblionumbers.
20:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1304: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1304/
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20:39 cait it is weirdindeed
20:57 cait @wunder konstanz
20:57 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 18.1°C (10:55 PM CEST on July 11, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
20:57 cait getting pretty warm here these days
20:57 jcamins @wunder 11375
20:57 huginn` jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 30.4°C (4:46 PM EDT on July 11, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Falling).
20:58 jcamins The overnight low here is significantly higher than it is in Konstanz. You can have our heat.
20:58 Dyrcona @wunder 01845
20:58 huginn` Dyrcona: The current temperature in North Andover, Massachusetts is 29.5°C (4:58 PM EDT on July 11, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Steady). Flash Flood Watch in effect until 6 PM EDT this evening...
20:59 * jcamins would be happy to send Dyrcona an extra .9 degrees if he'd like it, too.
21:00 rangi back
21:00 jcamins @wunder nzwn
21:00 huginn` jcamins: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (8:00 AM NZST on July 12, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
21:00 * jcamins has 20 spare degrees to send to rangi.
21:02 wizzyrea that's chilly
21:02 jcamins wizzyrea: you can share them with rangi.
21:03 wizzyrea :)
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21:10 cait jcamins: i think 18 is nice for the night, you can keep it :)
21:12 * jcamins sends it anyway.
21:12 cait pf
21:12 * cait blocks it
21:19 wizzyrea kf - easy one, 10514 is ready :)
21:20 cait hope you are ok with the owen's suggestion?
21:20 wizzyrea don't think I have a choice, do I. ;)
21:20 wizzyrea I just hope it solves the problem
21:20 wizzyrea which is the text is small and no one sees it
21:21 wizzyrea or at least, a nontrivial number of users I've been in contact with miss it
21:22 cait yeah
21:22 cait it's an issue in training
21:23 rangi its an issue
21:23 rangi that it needs training
21:23 cait although i think you probabl yget used to it after doing it for a while
21:23 rangi they shouldnt have too
21:23 wizzyrea ^^
21:23 rangi every single person cant figure it out
21:23 rangi that means we did it wrong
21:23 cait yep i agree
21:23 wizzyrea "why can't I edit the quantity?"
21:23 rangi yep
21:23 cait it's just not on top of my problme list because at least it works when you know how
21:24 rangi for some definition of works
21:24 rangi acquisitions sux
21:24 pianohacker what's the exact thing under discussion? sorry to butt in
21:24 cait maybe we need to make ti more clear that quantity can't be edited too
21:24 pianohacker oh god acquisitions nvm
21:24 cait figuring it out from 2 sides
21:24 pianohacker you're on your own
21:24 wizzyrea lol.
21:24 rangi it used to be editable
21:24 rangi thats what is worse
21:24 rangi so it confuses old users upgrading too
21:24 wizzyrea it's still editable, i think, if the settings are rignt
21:24 cait rangi: it is editable, when you don#t create items
21:24 cait the problem is telling the system how the acq item has to look like
21:25 rangi im not sure this patch is any better than now
21:25 cait i have no idea so far how to do it in a better way - we could create a defualt item, butthen you would have to update/edit it if you order for another branch
21:25 cait it is setting for creating items on receive and in cataloguing
21:25 cait it's only not when you create items on order
21:25 wizzyrea does the patch do harm?
21:26 cait nope of course not
21:26 cait it's just display
21:26 cait and we still need to fix translatability :)
21:27 wizzyrea ...I did fix the add item link?
21:27 wizzyrea ...I think?
21:27 cait i think i gave you wrong advice on this one :(
21:27 cait was too tired last night i guess
21:28 cait it's been a hell of a week
21:28 wizzyrea ah indeed.
21:28 wizzyrea well you can put this one away for now then
21:28 cait but owen has promised a follow-up
21:28 rangi i think its still too small
21:28 rangi but its better than it was
21:28 rangi id like some text
21:28 rangi right below Item
21:29 rangi (Fill in the following form and click add, to add 1 item to your order, do this as many times as needed)
21:29 rangi because its 2 scrolls from the top of the form to the add buttong
21:35 cait yeah, we are normally using a really short form there
21:35 cait only 5-6 fields, less scrolling
21:36 cait bug 10560 passed qa
21:36 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10560 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Passed QA , No way to disable english
21:39 wizzyrea out of curiosity, why don't we ship an acq framework?
21:40 cait no special reason i think
21:40 cait maybe because we don't want to maintain another bibliographic framework?
21:40 cait it's a bit horrible in the current state of things
21:40 cait hopeing marcelr can fix that maybe
21:43 gmcharlt hmm, I wonder if there's any reason not to have the default ACQ framework just be a couple of FA
21:45 wizzyrea I like where your head's at
21:47 cait i think it's used to store the bilbiographic data
21:47 cait if you use a fast add
21:47 cait we are going to lose data
21:48 cait if you create orders from z39.50
21:48 cait you won't need that data necessarily for ordering, but you might want to use it for the catalog
21:48 cait hm
21:48 cait not sure maybe i misunderstood FA
21:49 wizzyrea doesn't acquisitions only use the items framework? I honestly don't know
21:49 cait i am not totally sure
21:49 cait it might use default when saving... we'd have to check some orders
21:51 cait hm looking at my database you might be right wizzyrea
21:51 wizzyrea if so it would make some sense to use the FA for the items framework.
21:51 wizzyrea anyway, off to training. ;)
21:51 wizzyrea later
21:52 cait hm i think it needs to be separate
21:52 cait you need barcode in FA but you don't want it in ACQ - doesn't make sense there
21:53 cait more control using a separate framework, ACQ needs are different
21:53 cait also setting on order to -1 by default etc.
21:55 rangi it might make sense in acq too
21:56 rangi you can never underestimate what a library will do
21:56 cait only argueing that there are reasons to keep them different
21:56 rangi yep
21:56 cait more flexibility for 123 :)
21:56 rangi id keep them different
21:56 rangi just ship one that just isnt default :)
21:56 gmcharlt which is why I said "copy of FA"
21:56 gmcharlt (well, actually I said "couple of FA") :)
21:57 * cait feels like she is being difficult tonight
22:14 cait rangi: ok if i copy your suggestion for the text from here on the bug?
22:15 rangi go for it
22:15 cait cool
22:15 cait and with that... i am going to sleep
22:16 cait good night all
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22:39 * mtompset tries to wake up. :)
22:40 mtompset I was wondering if my assessment that sudo apt-get koha-deps koha-perldeps makes several files in the install_misc directory obsolete.
22:40 mtompset was correct.
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23:26 pianohacker Good night, #koha
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23:36 dcook morning #koha
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23:45 tcohen hi dcook
23:55 mtompset Greetings, tcohen.
23:55 mtompset Just missed greeting dcook, it would seem.
23:55 mtompset let's say I have a book.
23:55 mtompset it's called something '%happy life%'
23:56 mtompset now I have multiple branches with that book.
23:56 mtompset how many biblio records should I have?

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