Time  Nick         Message
23:56 mtompset     how many biblio records should I have?
23:56 mtompset     now I have multiple branches with that book.
23:55 mtompset     it's called something '%happy life%'
23:55 mtompset     let's say I have a book.
23:55 mtompset     Just missed greeting dcook, it would seem.
23:55 mtompset     Greetings, tcohen.
23:45 tcohen       hi dcook
23:36 dcook        morning #koha
23:26 pianohacker  Good night, #koha
22:40 mtompset     was correct.
22:40 mtompset     I was wondering if my assessment that sudo apt-get koha-deps koha-perldeps makes several files in the install_misc directory obsolete.
22:39 * mtompset   tries to wake up. :)
22:16 cait         good night all
22:15 cait         and with that... i am going to sleep
22:15 cait         cool
22:15 rangi        go for it
22:14 cait         rangi: ok if i copy your suggestion for the text from here on the bug?
21:57 * cait       feels like she is being difficult tonight
21:56 gmcharlt     (well, actually I said "couple of FA") :)
21:56 gmcharlt     which is why I said "copy of FA"
21:56 rangi        just ship one that just isnt default :)
21:56 rangi        id keep them different
21:56 cait         more flexibility for 123 :)
21:56 rangi        yep
21:56 cait         only argueing that there are reasons to keep them different
21:56 rangi        you can never underestimate what a library will do
21:55 rangi        it might make sense in acq too
21:53 cait         also setting on order to -1 by default etc.
21:53 cait         more control using a separate framework, ACQ needs are different
21:52 cait         you need barcode in FA but you don't want it in ACQ - doesn't make sense there
21:52 cait         hm i think it needs to be separate
21:51 wizzyrea     later
21:51 wizzyrea     anyway, off to training. ;)
21:51 wizzyrea     if so it would make some sense to use the FA for the items framework.
21:51 cait         hm looking at my database you might be right wizzyrea
21:49 cait         it might use default when saving... we'd have to check some orders
21:49 cait         i am not totally sure
21:49 wizzyrea     doesn't acquisitions only use the items framework? I honestly don't know
21:48 cait         not sure maybe i misunderstood FA
21:48 cait         hm
21:48 cait         you won't need that data necessarily for ordering, but you might want to use it for the catalog
21:48 cait         if you create orders from z39.50
21:47 cait         we are going to lose data
21:47 cait         if you use a fast add
21:47 cait         i think it's used to store the bilbiographic data
21:45 wizzyrea     I like where your head's at
21:43 gmcharlt     hmm, I wonder if there's any reason not to have the default ACQ framework just be a couple of FA
21:40 cait         hopeing marcelr can fix that maybe
21:40 cait         it's a bit horrible in the current state of things
21:40 cait         maybe because we don't want to maintain another bibliographic framework?
21:40 cait         no special reason i think
21:39 wizzyrea     out of curiosity, why don't we ship an acq framework?
21:36 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10560 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Passed QA , No way to disable english
21:36 cait         bug 10560 passed qa
21:35 cait         only 5-6 fields, less scrolling
21:35 cait         yeah, we are normally using a really short form there
21:29 rangi        because its 2 scrolls from the top of the form to the add buttong
21:29 rangi        (Fill in the following form and click add, to add 1 item to your order, do this as many times as needed)
21:28 rangi        right below Item
21:28 rangi        id like some text
21:28 rangi        but its better than it was
21:28 rangi        i think its still too small
21:28 cait         but owen has promised a follow-up
21:28 wizzyrea     well you can put this one away for now then
21:28 wizzyrea     ah indeed.
21:28 cait         it's been a hell of a week
21:27 cait         was too tired last night i guess
21:27 cait         i think i gave you wrong advice on this one :(
21:27 wizzyrea     ...I think?
21:27 wizzyrea     ...I did fix the add item link?
21:26 cait         and we still need to fix translatability :)
21:26 cait         it's just display
21:26 cait         nope of course not
21:25 wizzyrea     does the patch do harm?
21:25 cait         it's only not when you create items on order
21:25 cait         it is setting for creating items on receive and in cataloguing
21:25 cait         i have no idea so far how to do it in a better way - we could create a defualt item, butthen you would have to update/edit it if you order for another branch
21:25 rangi        im not sure this patch is any better than now
21:24 cait         the problem is telling the system how the acq item has to look like
21:24 cait         rangi: it is editable, when you don#t create items
21:24 wizzyrea     it's still editable, i think, if the settings are rignt
21:24 rangi        so it confuses old users upgrading too
21:24 rangi        thats what is worse
21:24 rangi        it used to be editable
21:24 wizzyrea     lol.
21:24 pianohacker  you're on your own
21:24 cait         figuring it out from 2 sides
21:24 pianohacker  oh god acquisitions nvm
21:24 cait         maybe we need to make ti more clear that quantity can't be edited too
21:24 pianohacker  what's the exact thing under discussion? sorry to butt in
21:24 rangi        acquisitions sux
21:24 rangi        for some definition of works
21:23 cait         it's just not on top of my problme list because at least it works when you know how
21:23 rangi        yep
21:23 wizzyrea     "why can't I edit the quantity?"
21:23 cait         yep i agree
21:23 rangi        that means we did it wrong
21:23 rangi        every single person cant figure it out
21:23 wizzyrea     ^^
21:23 rangi        they shouldnt have too
21:23 cait         although i think you probabl yget used to it after doing it for a while
21:23 rangi        that it needs training
21:23 rangi        its an issue
21:22 cait         it's an issue in training
21:22 cait         yeah
21:21 wizzyrea     or at least, a nontrivial number of users I've been in contact with miss it
21:20 wizzyrea     which is the text is small and no one sees it
21:20 wizzyrea     I just hope it solves the problem
21:20 wizzyrea     don't think I have a choice, do I. ;)
21:20 cait         hope you are ok with the owen's suggestion?
21:19 wizzyrea     kf - easy one, 10514 is ready :)
21:12 * cait       blocks it
21:12 cait         pf
21:12 * jcamins    sends it anyway.
21:10 cait         jcamins: i think 18 is nice for the night, you can keep it :)
21:03 wizzyrea     :)
21:02 jcamins      wizzyrea: you can share them with rangi.
21:02 wizzyrea     that's chilly
21:00 * jcamins    has 20 spare degrees to send to rangi.
21:00 huginn`      jcamins: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (8:00 AM NZST on July 12, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
21:00 jcamins      @wunder nzwn
21:00 rangi        back
20:59 * jcamins    would be happy to send Dyrcona an extra .9 degrees if he'd like it, too.
20:58 huginn`      Dyrcona: The current temperature in North Andover, Massachusetts is 29.5°C (4:58 PM EDT on July 11, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Steady).  Flash Flood Watch in effect until 6 PM EDT this evening... 
20:58 Dyrcona      @wunder 01845
20:58 jcamins      The overnight low here is significantly higher than it is in Konstanz. You can have our heat.
20:57 huginn`      jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 30.4°C (4:46 PM EDT on July 11, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Falling).
20:57 jcamins      @wunder 11375
20:57 cait         getting pretty warm here these days
20:57 huginn`      cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 18.1°C (10:55 PM CEST on July 11, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
20:57 cait         @wunder konstanz
20:39 cait         it is weirdindeed
20:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1304: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1304/
20:19 jcamins      Well... this is weird. I have two records with null biblionumbers.
20:17 rangi        ok school run, bbiab
20:08 pianohacker  bye oleonard
20:07 rangi        oleonard: cya
20:07 rangi        jcamins: ahh cool will test the new patches
20:07 oleonard     See y'all later
20:07 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10509 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Using i18n function for translation in webinstaller mysql files
20:07 rangi        bug 10509
20:07 cait         sadly
20:07 cait         i haven't had time to look att he new translation patches lately
20:07 cait         hm can you give me the bug number again?
20:07 rangi        i will qa it
20:07 jcamins      I wrote more patches.
20:07 rangi        cait: if you sign off magnuses translation thingy of the sql
20:07 jcamins      rangi: you did.
20:06 rangi        maybe i was dreaming
20:06 rangi        i thought i signed that off
20:06 rangi        it is pretty cool
20:05 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10240 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Offline circulation using HTML5 and IndexedDB
20:05 wahanui      bug 10240 is pretty cool, if I say so myself.
20:05 rambutan     wahanui: bug 10240
20:04 cait         hm?
20:04 rangi        cait++
20:04 jcamins      I think most people know that a term is a word, and it won't make people think they're doing a keyword search when they're not.
20:04 cait         rangi: i may be able to help some
20:03 oleonard     Sounds good to me
20:03 jcamins      What about changing "Keyword(s)" to "Term(s)"?
20:03 jcamins      oleonard: oh, yeah, I was going to respond when the wifi died then I forgot.
20:03 oleonard     Any thoughts about the authority search labels jcamins?
20:03 rangi        rambutan: ^ thats quite handy
20:02 wahanui      dashboard is at http://dashboard.koha-community.org/
20:02 rangi        dashboard?
20:02 rambutan     tnaks
20:02 wahanui      i heard bugzilla was found at http://bugs.koha-community.org
20:02 rambutan     bugzilla?
20:01 wahanui      bugs is http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/44776341195/bug-reports-after-a-new-release
20:01 rambutan     bugs?
20:01 rangi        thats my goal, depending on what happens at work
20:01 rangi        and signed off to 65
20:01 rangi        i wonder if i can get needs signoff back down to 160ish
20:00 rangi        hehe
19:58 cait         omg that voice.
19:58 cait         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR65P73X5GI
19:57 * cait       votes for shera
19:57 cait         hi pianohacker :)
19:57 pianohacker  hey cait
19:57 cait         *giggles*
19:57 pianohacker  hey rangi
19:57 rangi        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dJolYw8tnk
19:57 rangi        can we change hemain to heman
19:56 cait         morning rangi
19:56 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9282 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Passed QA , authorities auto-completion in mainmainentry
19:56 rangi        bug 9282
19:53 cait         oleonard: thx for the patch - and i like the idea for the search form
19:52 oleonard     "Keyword(s)" must be wrong, since the next option references "keyword" too
19:52 oleonard     ...but I'm not sure about the labels
19:52 oleonard     I thought it would probably be more flexible to reorder the authority search form in the OPAC like this: http://www.screencast.com/t/TyUnQd7QpT3Y
19:44 jcamins      Yeah, probably.
19:44 wahanui      somebody said Authority type was going to be a problem.
19:44 oleonard     Authority type?
19:43 oleonard     jcamins: With an authority search, the option to choose chronological term, personal name, etc... What would you label that?
19:33 oleonard     No :(
19:32 jcamins      oleonard: do you by any chance know of a site that you think has nice forward/back/return to results buttons that I could imitate?
19:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #1304 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:18 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10535 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , by default sort funds by name
19:18 jenkins_koha Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10535: by default sort funds by name
19:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1303: SUCCESS in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1303/
19:16 oleonard     More acquisitions JavaScript
19:16 oleonard     After talking about JS translatability I dusted off a patch I worked on a while ago and submitted it
19:16 cait         hi oleonard :)
19:15 oleonard     Hi again cait
19:04 * cait       waves
19:00 oleonard     I wonder why we have 6075 items in our production database which have NULL items.onloan but are checked out
19:00 gaetan_B     bye !
18:37 mtompset     But some mal-content could mine through a sequence to find things.
18:37 edveal       Just wanted to confirm this. Thanks.
18:36 mtompset     True.
18:36 edveal       Patrons don't know bib numbers anyway.
18:36 oleonard     Oh I get it, I had it reversed
18:36 edveal       Which is fine for the OPAC.
18:36 edveal       The reason is suppression prevents the record form being searched not displayed.
18:36 oleonard     I don't get it. Why wouldn't the non-suppressed biblio appear?
18:35 mtompset     Shoot. Now I'm worried about it.
18:35 mtompset     I can confirm what you are worried about edveal.
18:35 edveal       Thanks just wanted confirmation.
18:35 edveal       Yes and it seems to work.
18:34 mtompset     the opac-details.pl url showed me a hidden item.
18:34 oleonard     edveal: Can't you simply try it?
18:34 mtompset     Oh my!
18:32 mtompset     Ah.
18:31 edveal       If you find any other bib record and then replace the bib # in the URL with the bib # of the suppressed record will it show up?
18:31 mtompset     So, then I don't understand your scenario.
18:30 edveal       No
18:30 mtompset     can you have duplicate biblionumbers?
18:24 edveal       I have a suppression question. If I bib record is suppressed and you find another record and replace the bib number with the bib number of the suppressed record, then the suppressed record should display in the opac or not?
18:13 Dyrcona      I still think this is enough of an improvement to justify releasing 1.35
18:13 Dyrcona      OK.
18:13 gmcharlt     no, I've got it
18:13 Dyrcona      You want me to send you that record. I probably sent it before.
18:12 Dyrcona      gmcharlt: Looks like I found that Hangul character in record # 70 632. :(
18:04 Dyrcona      If if makes through all 240 000, I say release it. :)
18:04 Dyrcona      Well, it has chugged through 15000 records without a problem so far.
18:03 jenkins_koha Starting build #1303 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:03 gmcharlt     it improves it, but there's at least one Hangul character that breaks it
18:02 Dyrcona      I should know if it fixes my issues in a half hour or soe.
18:02 Dyrcona      gmcharlt: I'm testing your wip branch of MARC::Charset right now.
18:02 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1302: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1302/
16:58 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10535: by default sort funds by name <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aa6cdb60a9ab2581ffef08796a349242d3d2ff66>
16:46 jenkins_koha Starting build #1302 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:45 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6898 major, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , circulation librarians can't run overdues without reports permissions
16:45 jenkins_koha Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 6898: fix DB update that assigns the circulate/overdues_report permission
16:45 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1301: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1301/
16:32 eythian      git bisect is a bad drunk
16:25 oleonard     git bisect, you are drunk.
16:06 oleonard     Ah, had to go back a couple more years to find a working version.
16:03 eythian      oleonard: I'm surprised no one has brought that up
16:02 * oleonard   tested a version from a couple of years back and it didn't work then
16:02 slef         ooh debrelease
16:02 oleonard     Why does Basketgroups have a button that says "close and print?" Has that button ever made something print?
16:01 eythian      then I rsync the repo
16:01 eythian      slef: I use dput
16:01 eythian      Not that they're consistent at all
16:01 slef         eythian: dupload or dput?
16:01 eythian      mtompset: if you're asking that, it would suggest that you ought to look at the existing ones and create new ones in a manner similar to them.
16:00 mtompset     Lunch! :)
16:00 mtompset     Okay... noted. :)
15:59 slef         except spellcheck doesn't work on them :-/
15:59 pianohacker  mtompset: Generally not preferred, just about everything these days is CamelCase
15:59 slef         IThinkWePrefereCamelCase
15:58 mtompset     system preferences: underscores good, okay, bad?
15:51 eythian      I don't think it's persistent within their session
15:48 mtompset     Yes, but that would be the advantage of querying via SQL for the home branch, because the user wouldn't have to log out and log in, if the staff changed their home branch. But I suppose that isn't enough of a gain to not use the userenv hash.
15:46 mtompset     Is patron category in the userenv hash? Should it be, if it isn't?
15:45 pianohacker  (upon login)
15:45 pianohacker  mtompset: Yes, as staff users can change their branch
15:45 eythian      I should think so
15:45 mtompset     Is it better to use the C4::Context userenv hash over intentionally SQL querying for a users home branch?
15:42 eythian      I guess it'll have to do
15:41 mtompset     So, "I feel the love from the gentle trickle of bug fixes" is better? :P
15:40 mtompset     Only if you think that trickle means something else. :P
15:40 eythian      yes
15:40 mtompset     bug fix trickle of love?
15:39 eythian      your phrasing.
15:39 mtompset     disturbing?
15:39 eythian      how disturbing
15:38 mtompset     I feel the bug fix trickle of love. :)
15:38 mtompset     Sweet!
15:32 jenkins_koha Starting build #1301 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:31 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10548 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , koha_perl_deps.pl miscounts dependencies displayed
15:31 jenkins_koha Mark Tompsett: bug 10548: fix count of missing required dependencies by koha_perl_deps.pl
15:31 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1300: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1300/
15:12 reiveune     bye
15:09 mtompset     I think only in part, oleonard.
15:04 oleonard     I'll bet that entire scene was prompted by the fact that Pixar didn't want to have to animate a main character wearing a cape.
14:59 kf           okok, i don#t insist on a cape
14:59 mtompset     oleonard++ # no capes! ;)
14:53 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6898: fix DB update that assigns the circulate/overdues_report permission <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c6bf2670502afbd12981aa5e913779c38c19bdc4>
14:52 kf           :)
14:48 oleonard     No capes! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNUbPRj9TGM
14:48 eythian      kf: you've tested that patch yet? ;)
14:48 kf           eythian++ :)
14:47 eythian      cool. though you should probably include or symlink to the koha one so that if it changes, you don't have to copy it over again
14:47 mtompset     eythian++ # thanks, I have a better perlcriticrc now. :)
14:46 kf           including cape of course
14:45 kf           the one and only superlibrarian :)
14:45 kf           oleonard++
14:43 eythian      ~/.perlcriticrc
14:42 mtompset     how do I make the perlcriticrc file with qa-tools the default one?
14:39 mtompset     AH! okay...
14:38 tcohen       run perlcritic -p perlcriticrc_file
14:36 mtompset     I have the qa tools test, and it failed.
14:35 kf           i forgot what i had to do there and can't check right now :(
14:35 kf           but i think you have to copy it someplace
14:35 eythian      then you shoul duse that, mtompset
14:35 kf           in the file that comes witht he qa tools
14:35 eythian      oh, OK
14:35 kf           we have one
14:35 eythian      then we should have a perlcritic rule to avoid that
14:35 kf           it's ok, it's your perlcriticthing file not being the right one
14:34 mtompset     But it fails the perlcritic -5 test.
14:34 eythian      if because you have Modern::Perl then I'd say that's OK
14:34 mtompset     using Modern::Perl instead.
14:34 eythian      why are you excluding them?
14:33 mtompset     I know that newer code needs to meet perlcritic -5 testing, but excluding use strict and use warnings causes my code to fail the perlcritic -5 testing. What should I do?
14:32 mtompset     Greetings, kf!
14:32 kf           hi mtompset
14:32 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
14:32 kf           ok :)
14:32 kf           hehe
14:31 eythian      it worked perfectly fine in the beginning, it was just a bit overzealous!
14:30 kf           eythian: nothing in return?
14:28 kf           *hides*
14:28 kf           i think it was not acceptable that it didn't work right from the beginning :P
14:28 kf           heh
14:24 eythian      I'm not sure that's acceptable...:)
14:23 kf           might take a bit
14:23 kf           :)
14:20 eythian      that's fine too :)
14:20 kf           eythian: i am volunteering the coworker
14:17 jenkins_koha Starting build #1300 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:13 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: bug 10548: fix count of missing required dependencies by koha_perl_deps.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0134341d9a9883013b7eee3bdc84aa339e618bcc>
14:12 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10574 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Remove the message about upgrading to 3.4
14:11 * eythian    volunteers kf to test bug 10574 for me
13:41 tcohen       hi kf druthb_away
13:39 kf           hi druthb_away :)
13:39 kf           hi tcohen :)
13:38 tcohen       heh
13:15 wahanui      i guess logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/
13:15 druthb       wahanui:  logs?
13:14 wahanui      okay, eythian.
13:14 eythian      wahanui: javascript is also http://sealedabstract.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/JavaScript-the-good-parts.jpg
13:14 wahanui      javascript is required for interactions with clicks
13:14 eythian      wahanui: javascript
12:54 jcamins      Don't they sound delicious?
12:53 jcamins      Hehe.
12:52 * oleonard   can't figure out why he suddenly wants fudge popsicles
12:52 oleonard     Styling needs to be fiddled with, but I think that's on the right track
12:51 oleonard     Yes
12:50 jcamins      So, more like this: http://screencast.com/t/qMlTqY7jQ ?
12:43 jcamins      That's a debug pane with information about performance, requests, etc.
12:42 jcamins      It's Plack.
12:42 oleonard     I know I've seen it in action before but I forget, what is the question mark think you have running on your test installations?
12:41 kf           or that
12:41 jcamins      But I'm changing it to "Return to results."
12:41 kf           i think then i would remove it
12:41 jcamins      Just a heading.
12:41 kf           /label
12:41 kf           or just a heading
12:41 kf           clickable?
12:41 kf           jcamins: is the browse results the same functionality as in the opac?
12:40 jcamins      I'd have to change the layout to three-column, which seems like something we don't want.
12:40 oleonard     jcamins: Offering a "back to results" link would orient the user well enough without the "browse" label I think
12:39 jcamins      Not without messing up the layout, I don't think.
12:39 kf           yes
12:39 kf           um the other left... right
12:39 jcamins      On the right side?
12:39 kf           could we put it on the left side like we do in the opac?
12:39 jcamins      I had not planned on it, but I certainly can.
12:39 kf           jcamins: i like that better than below
12:39 jcamins      oleonard: that's a good idea.
12:38 oleonard     jcamins: Do you plan on offering a "back to results" link?
12:32 jcamins      ?
12:32 jcamins      oleonard: so something like this: http://screencast.com/t/9SugYJHnH
12:24 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @FredRiondet: "Quelqu'un possède la liste exhaustive des mxt / genres #COinS? C'est pour implémentation #Zotero sur #KohaILS. #VieilleDocPasàJour"
12:22 jcamins      Okay, so it'll take me several minutes to figure this out.
12:21 jcamins      Well that's weird. The "Browse results" text is appearing behind the buttons.
12:21 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9743 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Mandatory opac hold notes under specified conditions
12:21 marcelr      the intriguing bug 9743 is ready again for some testing :)
12:20 jcamins      Something like...
12:20 oleonard     I also think they probably belong above the tabs
12:20 jcamins      I can easily add that.
12:19 oleonard     I'm concerned that without references to "results" like the OPAC version has it's not clear what they're for.
12:16 jcamins      Yeah.
12:16 oleonard     For search results?
12:16 jcamins      Good morning, oleonard. What do you think of the Previous/Next buttons in this screenshot: http://screencast.com/t/Q8Bf55e6kd2
12:13 * oleonard   loves getting secret messages from huginn`
12:12 oleonard     Hi #koha
12:02 eythian      that'll clean things up a little
12:02 * eythian    deletes 3.5GB of old build files from his working directory.
11:27 eythian      ah, what you're supposed to do is set the environment variable DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive
11:26 jcamins      That is my understanding as well.
11:26 eythian      though I'm not sure
11:25 eythian      not debconf
11:25 eythian      I think -y is just about apt questions.
11:25 eythian      I actually suspect that's the wrong way to do it
11:24 kf           but shoudl be alright
11:24 kf           thought we might end up with another message sometime in the future :)
11:24 eythian      once I stop that message from displaying, what would it ask you about now?
11:23 kf           then it would never ask you for confirmation
11:23 eythian      kf: to what end?
11:23 kf           eythian: will you also take a look at the -y for apt-get?
11:22 kf           just mailed it to the coworker ;)
11:22 kf           heh
11:18 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10574 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , Remove the message about upgrading to 3.4
11:18 eythian      kf: bug 10574
11:06 marcelr      there is some overlap with koha-preferences but cmp compares too
11:05 marcelr      drojf: there is also cmp_sysprefs.pl in misc/maintenance
09:51 drojf        i think so. nice
09:50 kf           the dump and load might work for profiles?
09:48 kf           koha-preferences - Get, set, dump and load Koha system preferences
09:48 kf           http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=misc/admin;h=db3a84bb7faa5fe80581bc0077ca13962cf8f528;hb=97bbf04757227f2a26a6f5b1b216d2bab8efbdc9
09:48 drojf        cool
09:48 drojf        ah
09:48 kf           not sure if it's usable, but it shoudl be somewhere in misc
09:47 kf           somewhere in koha :)
09:47 drojf        kf: somehwere as on bugzilla or somewhere on the internet?
09:43 drojf        hmm yes that makes sense about sysadmin vs librarian
09:43 drojf        not sure about the level. personally i only like "disable all the third party junk and especially social networks", so turning off everything is the only level i need ;) also i have no concrete plans to do it, but i have a privacy/opt-out page for privacy-related sysprefs somewhere on my "would like to work on it some day" pile and came to the idea of the package command in the shower this morning.
09:41 eythian      it's not really the responsibility of the sysadmin (in general), it's the library staff who should determine the sysprefs.
09:40 eythian      all this said, I wonder if something like that would be better done as an enhancement to the web interface.
09:40 eythian      as soon as you're writing something to change sysprefs, you may as well make it work with many different things.
09:39 eythian      also, it's overly specific.
09:38 eythian      because how do you get a level out of a bunch of orthogonal parameters?
09:38 kf           drojf: there is a script from pianohacker somewhere for doing that on normal installations
09:38 * kf         waves again back from a meeting
09:30 drojf        why does privacy not make sense?
09:29 eythian      hmm. 'koha-privacy' isn't really a good one, because it doesn't make a lot of sense. But something that let you set sysprefs and perhaps had some built in profiles could be an interesting thing to do.
09:28 drojf        would it be a horrible idea to have a command for the koha packages that sets some sysprefs? iw as thinking about something like koha-privacy <level> <instancename> that sets relevant sysprefs automatically
09:27 eythian      yarp
09:27 drojf        eythian: around?
09:00 wahanui      niihau, eythian
09:00 eythian      hi
07:55 huginn`      drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 18.6°C (9:43 AM CEST on July 11, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
07:55 drojf        @wunder berlin, germany
07:52 marcelr      hi drojf
07:52 drojf        hi marcelr and kf
07:47 drojf        [off] thanks BobB, i actually forgot to mention the upgrade part over the scary "you have to use linux now!" part in the mail on the list :)
07:35 kf           hi marcelr
07:34 marcelr      hi kf
07:34 marcelr      bye dcook
07:33 dcook        night night #koha
07:32 kf           good morning #koha
07:23 marcelr      hi gaetan_B
07:22 wahanui      bidet, gaetan_B
07:22 gaetan_B     hello
06:57 christophe_c hi marcelr
06:56 marcelr      hi christophe_c
06:56 christophe_c hello #koha
06:56 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10520 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Add i18n function to English mysql files for webinstaller
06:56 marcelr      just put a patch with 80461 lines on bug 10520
06:55 marcelr      hi #koha
06:30 reiveune     salut dcook :)
06:28 * dcook      vows to stop answering the phone and actually write his little blurb
06:28 dcook        \o/ weird things
06:28 drojf        i wanted to but then got distracted by some weird things
06:28 dcook        salut reiveune :)
06:28 cait         :)
06:27 drojf        thanks for writing my test plan and testing :)
06:27 drojf        hi cait
06:26 reiveune     hi cait :)
06:26 cait         hi reiveune :)
06:26 reiveune     hello
06:26 cait         hi #koha
06:23 drojf        [off] argh :D
06:20 dcook        [off] Classic. I knew someone recently in a situation where they thought their password was wrong...but it turned out their username was lowercase but the registration confirmation message showed it in uppercase...and it was case-sensitive...d'oh!
06:18 drojf        [off] i like how i set a password on my tablet before i left it in the office and immediately forgot that password. d'oh
06:14 dcook        [off] Hehe. Evidently :p.
06:14 drojf        [off] i'm a positive guy at 8 in the morning :P
06:13 drojf        [off] email explaining the requirement of a linux installation to use koha sent to the list, i expect something like "but how to install on windows" as a reply
06:03 dcook        [off] And I thought I had some old versions around...
06:02 dcook        [off] Eww..
06:02 drojf        [off] to read "We are using Koha 2.28 software since 5 years" makes me shiver
05:59 drojf        cait++ :)
05:57 drojf        hi dcook
05:57 drojf        s/goof/good
05:57 dcook        morning drojf
05:57 drojf        goof morning #koha
04:21 dcook        [off] Interesting open letter on race... http://goodmenproject.com/ethics-values/why-i-dont-want-to-talk-about-race/
03:42 Oak          hello dcook :)
03:41 dcook        Hey, Oak :)
03:41 dcook        Data conversion...yay
03:28 dcook        Just sayin'. I prefer this so much more than using the Perl/TT detail display.
03:27 dcook        XSLT++
03:20 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10309 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , New OPAC theme based on Bootstrap
03:20 wahanui      an up to date demo of the Bootstrap OPAC can be found at http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz - it's tracking from oleonard's branch bootstrap-opac on gitorious. Bug reports should be filed on bug 10309.
03:20 wizzyrea     bootstrap
03:18 wahanui      an up to date demo of the Bootstrap OPAC can be found at http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz - it's tracking from oleonard's branch bootstrap-opac on gitorious.
03:18 wizzyrea     bootstrap?
03:18 dcook        oleonard++
03:18 dcook        Mmm, cool beans
03:16 wizzyrea     etc.
03:16 wizzyrea     "owen's doing work on that there's an up to date demo at..."
03:16 wizzyrea     "wouldn't it be cool if the opac were bootstrap"
03:16 wizzyrea     anytime it comes up here
03:16 dcook        wizzyrea: Pass it on to whom?
03:00 wizzyrea     (it works fine, it's just not designed for 100 people hitting it at the same time ^.^)
02:59 wizzyrea     the machine is a little underpowered, so we don't want to send it to the list.
02:59 wizzyrea     please pass it on, catalyst is running a demo site with oleonard's bootstrap opac at responsive.mykoha.co.nz.
01:05 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
00:58 * jcamins    goes to eat some dinner.
00:58 jcamins      Fortunately that is a prime example of something which is of absolutely no importance whatsoever to me, so having reported the bug, I no longer have to think about it.
00:57 jcamins      I'm pretty sure it used to work too, but I have XSLT disabled and it's set to labelled MARC view, and it does nothing.
00:57 wizzyrea     know*
00:57 wizzyrea     i *kinow* that used to work
00:56 dcook        Never used in the code?
00:56 jcamins      IntranetDefaultBiblioView or whatever it is doesn't do anything no matter what.
00:55 jcamins      Actually, you know what?
00:51 dcook        \o/
00:51 jcamins      Well, at least I know.
00:51 dcook        Hmm, yep. Looks busted.
00:50 jcamins      IntranetBiblioDefaultView.
00:50 jcamins      ... and it doesn't work.
00:50 wahanui      i think the syspref is only there, so people can switch to zebra
00:50 dcook        What's the syspref?
00:49 jcamins      The syspref is under Cataloging, of all places.
00:49 jcamins      Found it.
00:49 jcamins      I thought there were links.
00:49 jcamins      Is there no way to view anything other than the standard view from a results page?
00:49 jcamins      Okay, wait a minute.
00:47 * jcamins    has gotten a ton of requests for it.
00:47 wizzyrea     i am sure people will find it useful
00:46 dcook        I want to say that I've heard of people wanting this...
00:45 dcook        Sounds good :)
00:43 jcamins      And I designed it so that it would A) not take down the server and B) not cause a mess someone screwed up their Javascript.
00:43 dcook        Sweeeet
00:42 jcamins      Exactly.
00:42 dcook        jcamins: Are you referring to the ability to do a search, go into a record, then go "previous" or "next" from the detail record?
00:42 jcamins      Yup.
00:41 dcook        [off] I love phone calls that last less than 15 seconds
00:41 wizzyrea     you mean the marc detail and the isbd view?
00:41 dcook        jcamins: I'm even more intrigued now
00:41 jcamins      Now I have to put the paging on the other views.
00:40 mtompset     Back in a moment, hopefully... Bye, bye. Waterfox. I want my quicktime plug in.
00:39 wizzyrea     hehe double oops
00:39 * jcamins    was picturing you clutching your stomach in agony at the thought.
00:39 wizzyrea     no I do, i typo'd ohhh
00:38 jcamins      ... you don't like paging through results?
00:38 wizzyrea     oghhhhh
00:38 jcamins      Paging through results.
00:38 jcamins      dcook: it's not not really "browsing," but that's what we call it on the OPAC.
00:38 wizzyrea     me either :)
00:38 dcook        I'm not entirely sure what you even mean by staff side browsing, but it sounds good ;)
00:37 jcamins      It was way harder than one would think it should be.
00:35 dcook        Huzzah, jcamins!
00:34 jcamins      Good news! The staff side browsing I implemented works in a way that is unlikely to break the staff client.
00:18 mtompset     -- when I found an unrelated bug in testing. :P
00:16 mtompset     There was supposed to be an earth shattering kaboom. And there was. There was an earth shattering kaboom. :P
00:11 wizzyrea     yep, agreed there
00:10 dcook        It seems to me that any superlibrarian should be able to manage all lists though
00:10 dcook        I suppose in that case you could have your db user do the mop up...
00:09 wahanui      hmmm... Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
00:09 dcook        Interesting
00:09 wizzyrea     user 0
00:09 wizzyrea     that's the db user
00:09 dcook        But if your admin account isn't borrower #0, you're still hooped, no?
00:09 * wizzyrea   tests this theory
00:08 wahanui      Really is, like, off now
00:08 dcook        Really?
00:07 wizzyrea     then at least teh superlibrarian can get at them.
00:07 wizzyrea     you know, when one deletes a borrower the lists should really go back to owner 0 instead of NULL.
00:06 dcook        That doesn't sound good :p
00:06 dcook        Kaboom?
00:05 mtompset     Woo hoo! I think I got the override working. Kaboom!