IRC log for #koha, 2013-06-03

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00:03 * wizzyrea votes for Richard Ayoade
00:04 wizzyrea but they'll getsomeone less known and hipper.
00:05 wizzyrea your stunned silence either means I'm out of my mind or brilliant.
00:05 gmcharlt :)
00:05 * gmcharlt has the wild idea of ... Catherine Tate
00:05 wizzyrea oh I LOVE THAT too
00:05 wizzyrea or, we bring back the doctor's daughter
00:06 wizzyrea :P
00:06 gmcharlt indeed
00:06 gmcharlt (and speaking of relatives, whatever happened to Susan?)
00:06 wizzyrea goooood question.
00:06 wizzyrea we've got half timelords all over the place.
00:07 gmcharlt I've been reading some speculation that John Hurt will be playing the regeneration of the Doctor active during the Time War
00:07 wizzyrea *nod* that would be weird.
00:07 wizzyrea to me anyway
00:07 gmcharlt which if they show that, may also answer things like my question about Susan
00:07 wizzyrea oh true.
00:07 gmcharlt now for a loaded question
00:07 gmcharlt who should be the next showrunner?
00:08 wizzyrea i wasn't SO keen on matt smith
00:08 wizzyrea oh man, idk. I could take or leave moffitt tbh
00:09 * gmcharlt can just leave Moffatt
00:10 gmcharlt or rather, I'd be perfectly happen if he went back to just writing a couple cool episodes each series
00:12 wizzyrea *nod*
00:12 wizzyrea I thought this last half of this season was really quite weak
00:13 wizzyrea the akhaten one was alright
00:13 wizzyrea and the one with the pseudo ghost
00:13 wizzyrea I don't even remember most of the first half, how sad is that.
00:14 wizzyrea it's not like amy pond running about with hash marks all over herself from counting silences
00:14 wizzyrea that was memorable.
00:15 gmcharlt *nod*
00:17 wizzyrea or Rose Tyler standing in the middle of the road with a gigantic gun. That was memorable.
00:17 wizzyrea Or Donna with the bug on her back.
00:17 wizzyrea or the adipose one... shudder
00:17 wizzyrea I could go one.
00:17 wizzyrea on.
00:25 gmcharlt :)
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02:24 jcamins packages++ # easiest upgrade ever, seriously.
02:27 jcamins I could probably run an upgrade at 11am on a Thursday (busiest time for the maximum number of libraries), and no one would notice.
02:27 jcamins Not that I would, but talk about pleasantly painless. :D
02:31 gmcharlt jcamins: that's a powerful invocation of Murphy you started, just now ;)
02:39 jcamins gmcharlt: lol
02:39 jcamins I threw salt over my shoulder, so I should be safe.
02:40 jcamins Well, drat.
02:41 jcamins I should pushed several hundred unnecessary branches to my github.
02:41 jcamins So much for keeping it neat and tidy...
02:41 jcamins I guess if I've already muddled things, I might as well just push all the tags, too.
02:46 jcamins Wow. I have some weird tag names.
02:53 wizzyrea lots with swear words?
02:53 wizzyrea because if my repo was public, that's what you'd see :P
02:53 wizzyrea lots of branches with swear words.
03:00 jcamins wizzyrea: hehe.
03:00 jcamins No, actually.
03:00 jcamins Though I do have a couple "notspecialanymore"
03:00 wizzyrea koha-notspecialanymore :( :(
03:00 jcamins And a couple where I had the syntax wrong so the tag has a commit hash as a name.
03:00 wizzyrea ewps
04:21 wizzyrea @quote random
04:21 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #52: "<wizzyrea> Ahh, it's like putting on your slippers" (added by gmcharlt at 08:50 PM, January 28, 2010)
04:21 wizzyrea @quote random
04:21 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #56: "* jdavidb makes sure no kitty carcasses are among the dead bugs." (added by gmcharlt at 01:34 PM, February 11, 2010)
04:21 wizzyrea @quote random
04:21 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #103: "<cait>: Nobody can find you hiding in Search.pm ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 09:18 PM, November 13, 2010)
04:21 cjh ahhhh
04:21 wizzyrea oh hey :)
04:22 wizzyrea @quote random
04:22 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #55: "<jdavidb> Harrrrumph!" (added by gmcharlt at 12:38 PM, February 11, 2010)
04:22 wizzyrea @quote random
04:22 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #96: "< owen> If your vendor calls it KOHA you know it's not really Koha." (added by wasabi at 05:56 AM, October 08, 2010)
04:22 wizzyrea @quote random
04:22 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #177: "oleonard: If Buck Rogers used IRC he'd put bip on Twiki and tell Twiki to never sleep." (added by wizzyrea at 04:43 PM, January 10, 2012)
04:22 wizzyrea lol
04:22 wizzyrea @quote random
04:22 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #58: "<jdavidb> I prefer killing bugs, not kitties." (added by gmcharlt at 04:38 PM, February 17, 2010)
04:22 wizzyrea @quote random
04:22 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #159: "slef: WELCOME TO HOOGERLAND. POPULATION: HEROES" (added by wizzyrea at 05:00 PM, September 23, 2011)
04:22 wizzyrea HEE
04:23 wizzyrea @quote random
04:23 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #144: "library_systems_guy: (xslt) looks like html and lisp had an ugly baby." (added by wizzyrea at 08:48 PM, June 30, 2011)
04:23 cjh howdy :)
04:23 wizzyrea before he was libsysguy
04:23 wizzyrea that's cute
04:23 wizzyrea @quote random
04:23 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #142: "Pianohacker: hrm. What's the plural of ILS again? Rangi: ILSESESESESESES" (added by wizzyrea at 08:54 PM, June 08, 2011)
04:23 wizzyrea hehehehehe
04:23 wizzyrea @quote random
04:24 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #44: "<thd> People make bugs fairly much in the degree to which they contribute to the code" (added by gmcharlt at 08:07 PM, October 30, 2009)
04:24 wizzyrea @quote random
04:24 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #69: "<schuster> Now if I could only figure out how to control those daemons... or at least the ones in my head..." (added by jwagner at 02:02 PM, March 17, 2010)
04:24 wizzyrea @quote random
04:24 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #132: "<oleonard> nengard: It depends what time zone Jesus uses I think" (added by druthb at 02:07 PM, May 20, 2011)
04:24 wizzyrea @quote random
04:24 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #200: "chris_n: usually the problem is either too much time and not enough cookies or not enough time and too many cookies" (added by wizzyrea at 03:24 PM, April 12, 2012)
04:24 wizzyrea @quote random
04:24 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #247: "<eythian> Only cockroaches and Search.pm will survive the nuclear apocalypse." (added by wizzyrea at 11:54 PM, May 08, 2013)
04:24 * wizzyrea nods
04:24 wizzyrea @quote random
04:24 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #169: "<wizzyrea> sometimes the answer is just the answer... even if you don't like it ;)" (added by chris_n at 07:22 PM, December 06, 2011)
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04:54 wizzyrea @quote random
04:54 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #7: "Snow_Fox: a rift opens in space the information is shuffled to dev_hyperspace rift then closes" (added by wizzyrea at 03:28 PM, June 18, 2009)
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05:20 cait good morning #koh
05:20 cait a
05:20 dcook afternoon, cait :)
05:21 cait do you want to argue? :)
05:22 dcook Just stating my point of view ;)
05:24 wizzyrea get the popcorn
05:24 wahanui http://i.imgur.com/p3cHE.gif
05:24 wizzyrea to be fair, it's dark here :P
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05:27 drojf good morning #koha
05:27 cait hi drojf
05:28 cait we are having an argument about the time of the day - are you backing me up it's morning? ;)
05:28 drojf it's definitely morning. and an early one too ;)
05:29 dcook mmm popcorn..
05:29 dcook afternoon, drojf ;)
05:29 drojf hi dcook ;)
05:30 dcook Nice blue skies and a setting sun
05:30 cait no rain!
05:30 drojf haven't opened my curtains yet ^^
05:31 cait after like 72 hours of rain during the weekend...
05:31 drojf meh. it's grey, as it has been for weeks
05:32 drojf cait: is there flood in your area?
05:34 wizzyrea oy t was cloudy and nastyish here
05:34 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn
05:34 huginn` wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on June 03, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
05:34 wizzyrea oh well temp it's alright
05:35 wizzyrea but it's grey and sprinkly.
05:35 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
05:35 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Sydney Airport, New South Wales is 17.0°C (3:00 PM EST on June 03, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Falling).
05:35 wizzyrea 38% humidity, puh.
05:35 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
05:35 dcook Nice enough outside, but my fingers are turning into icy poles...
05:35 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 11.8°C (7:12 AM CEST on June 03, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
05:41 drojf i'm close to declaring this 'work from bed week'. not sure what my bosses think about that though.
05:44 dcook I like this idea, drojf
05:44 cait me too
05:45 dcook Mind you, it might be colder at home...
05:45 dcook But...blankets
05:45 cait drojf: it's not bad, but there has been some on the news
05:45 cait drojf: and the parking lot and lower apartments of one of my friends has been flooded a bit over the weekend - was ok when she got home yesterday
05:46 cjh cait: it is very clearly night, haven't you looked outside? :p
05:46 * cjh is a bit late to the party
05:47 drojf cjh: so late that it is already morning :P
05:47 cait cjh: too late sorry, we already had the votes and morning won
05:48 dcook What?
05:48 dcook I think it was 2-2
05:48 dcook Well, 2 for morning and 2 for not morning
05:48 drojf that means we win
05:49 drojf by default
05:49 wahanui i heard by default was off
05:49 drojf lol
05:49 dcook I think Chris makes a 3 for not morning :p
05:49 * cait nods
05:49 cait ;)
05:49 cjh damnit.
05:49 cait so today was a holiday in nz?
05:49 dcook holiday?
05:49 * dcook really expected wahanui to weigh in on that one
05:50 cjh yes, queens birthday :)
05:50 cait oh
05:50 * cjh wanders off to eat dinner
05:50 * dcook loves how the queen has a million birthdays
05:50 dcook It's the queen's birthday in Australia on June 10th
05:50 dcook It was late May in Canada
05:51 drojf lol
05:51 cjh dcook: well there were a lot of queens...
05:51 dcook But we each only celebrate for one queen
05:51 * cjh wouldnt mind celebrating them all
05:51 * dcook concurs
05:54 cait with birthday cake? :)
05:58 cait ok... no cake?
05:59 dcook Mmm cake
06:02 drojf cake for me please
06:04 cait drojf: cake for breakfast? :)
06:05 drojf YES!
06:05 drojf :)
06:09 cjh cait: cake sounds delightful :)
06:09 * cjh was eating dinner
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06:31 marcelr morning #koha
06:32 cait hi marcelr
06:33 * cait just worked thorugh the qa plugin thread
06:33 marcelr hi cait
06:34 cait and still about 250 bug mails to read... ew.
06:37 cait bbl
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06:42 rangi that qa plugin thread makes me want to not read koha mail
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06:45 marcelr srdjan++ for signing off
06:45 marcelr rangi: dashboard is still in may :)
06:45 marcelr should send a patch for that ;)
06:50 rangi nope ive left it in may because i havent done my may statistics blogpost yet
06:50 rangi ill roll it over as soon as i do that (tonight once the kids are asleep)
06:51 rangi its all counting anyway in the background :)
06:51 rangi also
06:51 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]?s=Koha&p=Koha&c=
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06:58 reiveune hello
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07:01 asaurat hi!
07:07 rangi marcelr: rolled it over
07:07 rangi hi reiveune and matts
07:08 reiveune hi rangi
07:08 matts hi !
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07:14 marcelr rangi++
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07:15 gaetan_B hello
07:15 marcelr hi gaetan_B
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07:24 christophe_c hello #koha
07:29 * dcook waves to christophe_c
07:29 dcook night #koha
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07:29 kf oh no germs today?
07:37 kf oleonard++
07:37 kf #fixing all the bugs
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08:06 paul_p say hello to kenza, our student starting this morning his 3 months time with BibLibre, to work on Koha
08:07 drojf hi kenza! welcome to #koha
08:07 kf hi kenza
08:07 kf hope you have a good time working on koha :)
08:09 wizzyrea Hi kenza :
08:09 wizzyrea :)
08:09 wizzyrea we will try to make it fun ^.^
08:10 marcelr welcome kenza
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08:27 Buddhist hello! Is this the place to discuss things on using Koha?
08:28 kf yes it is
08:28 kf hi Buddhist
08:28 slef Buddhist: it's one possibility. Others are listed on the website.
08:28 slef hi kenza
08:28 Buddhist hello!
08:30 Buddhist The thing is, I got some question marks about marc-data, I have adapted the 952 fields and it shows up correctly (after import), but I can't figure out whether KOha allows me to input a classification overview.
08:30 slef Buddhist: what sort of classification overview?
08:31 Buddhist (we use a 'self-made' classification: example 253 - Buddhist in China 254 Buddhist in Japan... is that possbile to be reflected in koha?
08:31 Buddhist The solution at this moment is to 'key in' in every item this 253 - Buddhist in China... sounds like a tedious job.
08:32 kf Buddhist: hmm there was once a feature that might do what you want
08:32 Buddhist I wondered whether that can be avoided (using ccodes or loc?)
08:32 kf some kind of hierarchical browsing the classification?
08:32 kf or do you just want to make it easier to type them in?
08:32 Buddhist both please! :)
08:32 kf you could define a new authorized value and link it to the item field you use
08:33 Buddhist before i do that, I wanted to check with you that there is no option in koha made for this purpose (anymore?)
08:34 kf there was a start made here I think: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ac_browse_feature
08:34 Buddhist since I don't make use of ccodes, is it wise to use the ccode for this purpose?
08:34 kf you could
08:35 kf they get used for all kinds fo things :) classification would probably be a good one
08:35 kf i think without programming the browse feature won't be useful - it's been not in use for a while I think and never left experimental status
08:36 Buddhist hm....
08:37 Buddhist ok! and is it possible for koha to aggregrate multiple ccodes into one 'bigger' section? let's say ccode 253 Buddhist in country A until ccode 259 Buddhist in Country Z, aggregrate them into 253-259 Buddhist in specific country
08:37 Buddhist BTW: I am very happy with the shelf browser... that is really cool
08:39 kf Buddhist: hm not sure I understand what you want to do
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08:40 kf welcome back kenza :)
08:40 Buddhist It more about showing the user 'relevant' sections of the library
08:40 kf Buddhist: you can make collections searchable in advanced search
08:40 kf like the itemtypes - with checkboxes
08:41 kf so the user could check one or more to search for at once
08:41 Buddhist ah....
08:41 Buddhist advanced search
08:41 kf i think you can also construct a html page
08:41 kf with links that look for more than one code
08:41 kf search links... not perfect, but maybe might serve your purpose?
08:42 Buddhist yes.. that would do!
08:42 Buddhist is there also a way to input those ccodes all at once instead of using the web application (adding one by one)
08:43 kf if you are good with sql you could add them to the right table
08:43 Buddhist so need to peek in SQL...hm...
08:44 kf authori[z|s]ed_values or similar
08:44 kf i have done it in the past when I had a long list
08:44 kf in general youshouldn't do that to Koha.. but for that table it should be pretty save to do
08:45 kf if you are using ccodes or authorized values in general
08:45 kf you should make sure you use good codes
08:45 Buddhist also a quick way of adding the 'right' ccode to the right biblio? or do I really need to do this 1 by 1
08:45 kf to get the search results you want later on - no hyphens - or spaces, best only use short codes made of numbers/letters
08:45 kf there is a batch item edit feature
08:46 kf if you can get a list of the barcodes/items you can do it that way
08:46 Buddhist in the past (we are migrating now) they have used 942 to input this classification (e.g. =942  \\$k190-195 Islam$a190 Islam).
08:47 Buddhist I will use 3 numerical numbers as code... thanks for the tip
08:47 Buddhist ah.. batch item edit...let's see
08:54 Buddhist thank you kf, got it, just watch a youtube explanations by bywaters..they are pretty helpful with those vids!
08:57 Buddhist one more question: I am using marcedit to correct the item fields 952. However, I need to copy from another field some data, let's say "942a 417 Ajahn Chah" to a 952c, but I only want 417, not the text. Is there a clever way?
08:59 Buddhist .........
09:01 * Buddhist slaps kf around a bit with a large fishbot
09:01 kf huh?
09:02 kf guess i missed the joke?
09:02 Buddhist haha
09:02 Buddhist sorry about that.
09:02 wizzyrea hm yea we don't do much trout slapping round here
09:02 Buddhist didn't know how to get some attention.
09:02 Buddhist haha
09:02 Buddhist tut mir leid!
09:02 kf Buddhist: I am at work - so sometimes i have to pay attention to other things ;)
09:02 kf not sure how you can do that with marcedit - sorry
09:03 Buddhist ok.....
09:04 Buddhist anyone that knows how to copy partial fieldata form one subfield to another in a marc-record? (or delete parts of subfield with multiple records....)
09:06 kf Buddhist: where are you located btw?
09:06 Buddhist near Hemel Hempstead (UK)
09:06 kf ah, was wondering about the German :)
09:06 Buddhist haha... ik ben een nederlander
09:06 * kf is German
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09:07 Buddhist I figured... :)
09:07 kf hm h
09:07 Buddhist was just playing with the whois/query and.....trout slapping...
09:07 kf ah
09:08 kf I think some people would say you could write a script to do that
09:08 kf but there might also be a way in marcedit - i just don't know it
09:08 kf not sure if there is a marcedit mailing list?
09:08 Buddhist I am skilled in excel..so I might do some exporting importing thing....
09:08 Buddhist good point! I shall look foir a marcedit mailing list....
09:08 * dcook is intrigued
09:08 dcook What are you trying to do, Buddhist?
09:10 Buddhist hello...dcook
09:10 dcook hi...
09:10 Buddhist i have a subfield in our marcdata that says for instance "417 Ajahn Chah".
09:10 Buddhist but I don't want the text bit, "Ajahn Chah", I want only 417
09:11 Buddhist I just wondered how to 'delete' partial data
09:11 Buddhist (I have few thousand records)
09:12 dcook Hmm, marcedit/writing a script is probably your best bet
09:12 dcook Just out of curiosity, why are you wanting to do this?
09:12 Buddhist well....'sigh'....
09:13 Buddhist the librarian here has imported marcdata in the koha system using for instance z39.50. And added this classification scheme of ours (not standard). So for instance in 942a "417 Ajahn Chah".
09:13 Buddhist But never added a 'call number'
09:14 Buddhist so... our call number is actually 417.
09:14 Buddhist so I want to copy this field 942a to 952o, but inly the decimal, not texts
09:15 Buddhist (BECAUSE there are 'also' typos.... in many many many records...
09:15 Buddhist *sigh*
09:15 Buddhist (does that make sense?)
09:15 dcook Mmm, sort of.
09:16 dcook Human error is no fun, but I'm not sure that I understand what you're trying to do classification-wise overall.
09:16 Buddhist ...
09:16 Buddhist ah...
09:17 dcook But, in terms of your immediate goals, maybe try Marcedit. I've used it before for wrangling non-standard data, and it works pretty well.
09:17 Buddhist first of all i need the 'correct' call number....therefore in each marc record the librarian has tuck it away in 942. so I just need to copy it out.
09:17 Buddhist the second 'challenge' was to understand how to be able to setup our selfmade classification scheme into koha.
09:18 Buddhist before yo uarrived, i was suggested using for instance authorised values...I might use ccodes
09:18 kf hm Buddhist - didn't ask you if you also have callnumbers for your items
09:19 Buddhist ..?
09:19 kf individual call numbers separate from the classification
09:19 Buddhist well..they don't do that here...
09:19 Buddhist all the books here are stickerd on their spine with the 'shelf location number', 417 for instance.
09:19 Buddhist so our 'call' number is not unique (small library)
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09:20 dcook From the sound of it, you're going to still have the same problem with "417" as you will with "417 Ajahn Chah"
09:20 Buddhist basically we need to direct the patrons to the 'right shelf'..
09:20 * dcook waves to francharb
09:20 Buddhist ...?
09:20 Buddhist what problem?
09:20 wahanui problem is, like, it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes
09:21 Buddhist ..more confused....
09:21 Buddhist ??
09:21 kf Buddhist: I was wondering if that info shoudl go rather into the field for itemcallnumber - I think o or p
09:21 kf but the search options for collection codes are a bit nicer
09:21 Buddhist hm..
09:22 Buddhist the thing about 952 o or p is that it is free input, so i prefer it to be short, like 3 decimal,417.
09:22 Buddhist I don't want them to type 417 Ajahn Chah .....
09:22 francharb hi dcook
09:22 Buddhist then.... I can use for instance the ccodes .. where they can 'choose from a list' 417 Ajahn Chah
09:23 Buddhist saves typos.
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09:28 vfernandes hi :)
09:33 gerundio hey vfernandes :)
09:34 vfernandes how are you gerundio?
09:35 gerundio well thanks, you?
09:35 gerundio did you see someone commented on bug 7973 saying it doesn't work in some cases?
09:35 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7973 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Allow for new type of LDAP authentication
09:36 gerundio I've already asked for feedback on something, but still waiting for an answer
09:37 vfernandes yes... i've tested with the two forms (anonymous bind and default bind) and everything worked
09:38 kf somoen commented it might be an ldap configuration thing
09:41 vfernandes ldap can be configured to authorize or not the anonymous bind and search
09:42 vfernandes but I've tested without anonymous search and everything worked fine
09:44 kf i know nothing about ldap - but hoping you can figure out what's going on :)
09:49 vfernandes I'm pretty sure it is a configuration issue but let's see :P
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10:18 marcelr rangi++ for bug 9761
10:18 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9761 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Passed QA , Make it possible to confirm future hold requests at checkin time
10:33 dcook Mmm, pumpkin risotto...
10:34 kf what brought that up?
10:35 dcook My partner just brought some to me :)
10:36 kf aah
10:36 kf enjoy :)
10:37 dcook Thanks :). I was munching on chocolate but this is...yummm
10:37 dcook Now all I need is a new monitor and either to move my tower or get longer headphones...\
10:38 * kf offerst to take the chocolate off of your hands...
10:38 dcook It has whole hazelnuts in it :D
10:39 kf yum
10:39 dcook I grabbed a couple bars on the way home from work...*shameface*
10:39 wizzyrea nomnomnomnomnom
10:39 wizzyrea no shame in chocolate, it gives you necessary magnesium :P
10:39 wizzyrea and makes you feel happy.
10:39 dcook I read that as magnetism for a moment ;)
10:39 wizzyrea and I'm sure it doesn't hurt your animal magnetism either.
10:40 dcook I think I did get extra kisses because of the chocolate *nod* *nod*
10:40 dcook Chocolate definitely helps with the happy
10:40 dcook I'm trying out these MOOC things, so I figured I could use some extra happy...
10:44 kf what kind of MOOC are you trying out? :)
10:45 dcook This systematic program design one from UBC (the last uni I went to) on Coursera.
10:45 dcook While I can patch Koha just fine and do a reasonably good job with my own programs, I figure it wouldn't hurt to learn the basics, since I sort of just jumped into programming...
10:46 kf :)
10:46 kf that's why I do the distance study... trying to get some basics
10:47 kf instead of only learning by trial and error :)
10:47 dcook Exactly :)
10:48 dcook I suppose I'm not entirely sold on the online classes yet though. I haven't found myself very motivated to do these courses, when I could just start experimenting with the technologies...
10:59 wizzyrea everybody hit koha-community.org at once... go!
10:59 wizzyrea (then tell me if it's fast or slow)
11:00 * wizzyrea likes how this is looking
11:00 dcook Mmm 5-6 seconds to load?
11:00 dcook Maybe faster
11:00 wizzyrea ping it please?
11:00 wizzyrea (what's the address)
11:01 kf wizzyrea: fast for me! :)
11:01 kf like really fast even
11:01 wizzyrea woot!
11:01 wizzyrea i like fast!
11:01 kf :)
11:01 kf looks quite good to me
11:01 wizzyrea and not overwhelmed, though probably only two of you at once :P
11:02 dcook Probably :p
11:02 wizzyrea now don't go killing it while I'm sleeping
11:02 kf well we canclick fast tho
11:02 * dcook does all the clicks
11:02 kf we will try
11:02 wizzyrea hehe - LOL
11:02 dcook I just accidentally closed Chromium as well, so everything I was doing was closed anyway..
11:03 dcook Where is it hosted?
11:03 wizzyrea linode
11:03 kf wizzyrea++ btw
11:03 jcamins papa++
11:03 wizzyrea papa++ because... it's papa.
11:04 wizzyrea that's looking nice and fast actually
11:04 wizzyrea caching++
11:04 kf hm who is papa? :)
11:04 wizzyrea srdjan
11:04 kf oh!
11:04 kf i have been wondering about that for a while
11:04 kf :)
11:04 dcook wizzyrea: I also have a super slow internet connection at home :)
11:04 dcook kf: Took me a while to figure that out as well
11:04 kf papa++
11:05 dcook I still don't know if I can type out that handle :p
11:05 wizzyrea I can see that it's serving pages lickety split
11:05 dcook Sweet :D
11:05 dcook jcamins: Why are you awake?
11:05 dcook Was it the mention of pumpkin risotto?
11:07 jcamins dcook: it's 7am?
11:07 jcamins I think.
11:07 jcamins Is the clock wrong?
11:07 dcook jcamins: That sounds right to me
11:07 jcamins Ah, good.
11:07 jcamins That's morning.
11:07 dcook Technically :p.
11:08 jcamins Heh.
11:08 jcamins I guess you weren't around any of the days I was around at 5am.
11:08 dcook I think that's usually when I'm looking at my emails on my phone in bed and dreading the trip from the bedroom to the shower.
11:08 dcook O_O
11:09 dcook Go to bed late and get up early? I don't know how you and kf do it.
11:09 jcamins Hehe.
11:09 jcamins Neither do I.
11:09 jcamins Isn't it kind of late for you?
11:09 kf ^^
11:09 dcook Only 9:09
11:10 dcook Partner has a friend over, so I'm minding my business in the study. Watching programming videos rather than doing anything productive...
11:10 wizzyrea that probably qualifies as productive
11:10 wizzyrea for some value of productive
11:10 dcook I'm sure it'll be useful once we get past the difference between strings and numbers...
11:10 wizzyrea ok to bed with me
11:10 wizzyrea oh dear.
11:11 dcook I said that I wanted to learn the basics...
11:11 dcook :S
11:11 wizzyrea don't kill koha-community.org while I'm sleeping.
11:11 dcook Well, I can't promise because I don't know how long you'll be sleeping :p
11:11 wizzyrea dcook - pm me the name of the thinger you're lookin at eh?
11:11 dcook Sure
11:11 wizzyrea from now until...... later
11:11 wizzyrea 7 or so hours :P
11:12 dcook Like a reasonable person ;)
11:12 wizzyrea I know you can do it!
11:12 wizzyrea pft
11:12 wizzyrea like a person with small people
11:13 dcook Small people?
11:13 dcook There's more than one?
11:14 dcook Anyway, night, wizzyrea :)
11:18 kf khall: around?
11:18 khall good morning!
11:18 kf aah
11:18 kf magic :)
11:18 kf good morning
11:19 khall heh, very lucky timing!
11:19 khall what's up?
11:19 kf just looking at your rfc
11:19 kf and wondering at a couple of things :)
11:19 khall sure!
11:19 kf and i left you a note on the bug - asking if maybe you could send a link to an updated page to the mailing list?
11:20 khall do you remember the bug number off hand?
11:20 kf hmm
11:20 kf it was... the maxfine thing
11:20 kf i am not good with numbers
11:20 kf 0129
11:20 kf 9129
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11:23 khall df: comment 32 pretty much sums it up. I received 0 comments from the RFC writeup.
11:23 khall kf that is ^
11:23 jcamins I'm not even sure what RFC you're talking about?
11:23 khall the accounts/fines rewrite
11:23 kf khall: probably not a lot of people saw it :)
11:24 kf i missed it totally until running into the bug - that's why I wondered if maybe a mail to the mailing list would help
11:24 khall I sent a mail about it to the dev list. I don't think I received either any replies to the email, or any edits to the RFC
11:24 * dcook waves to nengard
11:24 kf ah
11:24 jcamins Ah.
11:24 kf sorry, i must have missed it
11:25 jcamins Right. It looked fine to me.
11:25 khall kf: did you find the rfc? http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ng_system_rewrite
11:25 kf i did
11:26 kf looking at the printout right now :)
11:26 kf so I can draw on it
11:26 khall I'll go ahead and fix it now
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11:26 kf khall: cool
11:26 kf where to best leave my notes?
11:26 khall One thing I promise is the rewrite will be rock solid with a full suite of unit tests.
11:27 khall df: you can just put them on the wiki with your nick appended.
11:27 dcook \o/
11:27 khall kf, that is. It's too early to be typing
11:27 kf :)
11:27 kf that's ok
11:27 kf tell me when you updated the wiki page?
11:27 kf I don't want to interfere
11:28 khall yeah, one moment
11:30 khall kf: done
11:30 kf khall: one big request i have is to stop the misuse of the description column
11:31 kf not only for selecting fines, but also for storing information for display there
11:31 kf we actually write payment thanks there... for example. which is horrible
11:31 kf because it's not translatable
11:31 khall kf: I completely agree
11:31 kf and the user sees it in the opac
11:31 kf and i have ot use evil javascript to make it a little better
11:32 jcamins khall: The one concern I have is that the structure follow generally-acceptable accounting practices. Have you run this by a CPA? (and preferably their equivalent in a Civl Law country as well?) Because that seems like it would be really important.
11:32 khall all the new tables have primary keys. Fees in one table, payments in one table, a fee_payments join table, and an account offsets table
11:32 khall jcamins: that's a good idea.
11:33 kf i think that was what they did for koha 1.0
11:33 kf iirc
11:33 khall I believe we have a CPA on staff, so I can ask her!
11:33 kf it might be worth checking what information we need to keep to abide by laws and the like
11:33 jcamins khall: yeah, I think so.
11:33 jcamins kf: ^^ that was for you
11:33 kf khall: do you just want to note on the wiki page itself?
11:34 khall df: yeah, just mark up whatever you want, or just add the comments to the top or bottom of the page.
11:34 khall that way we can keep everything centralized
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11:44 nengard hi dcook
11:44 nengard and all
11:46 dcook hey ya nengard
11:46 dcook I forget sometimes that #koha has a whole 'nother life at a different time of day
11:46 nengard hehe
11:47 dcook On that note, I think it's time for bed
11:47 kf good night dcook
11:47 kf khall: i will put it under the headings if that's ok
11:47 dcook Bonne nuit, tout le monde. I'll be back in...11.25 hours
11:47 khall kf: that's fine. thanks!
11:48 jcamins nengard: re: your e-mail: I'm not comfortable with that change.
11:49 jcamins What I'd say is add the suggested changes under the heading "If you are using packages, run..."
11:49 nengard so it's only specific for pacakge sites
11:49 jcamins Right.
11:49 nengard see .. that's why I asked :)
11:50 nengard thanks!!
11:50 jcamins And I always encourage people to use packages, but if you're using packages  you're a lot less likely to have gotten your system into that situation.
11:50 * jcamins unplugs his mouse to protect his computer from excessive cat clicking.
11:54 kf heh
11:54 kf spoiling myshkin's fun again?
11:54 nengard updated: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7a4349d1d10addfc7
11:55 jcamins nengard: that looks okay to me.
11:56 nengard good stuff
11:56 nengard thanks
11:56 kf khall: done - look for KF :)
11:59 kf or how do i create a link to my user?
12:00 kf hm no magnuse
12:03 jcamins kf: if you mean on the wiki, you put it in square brackets, I think.
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12:03 kf hm [] didn't work
12:04 * kf gives up
12:04 jcamins Double brackets: [[User:kf|Katrin Fischer]]
12:05 kf hm that doesn't look right
12:05 kf nly adds red links
12:06 jcamins Right, you have to click that link and add content.
12:06 kf ew :)
12:06 nengard heh
12:08 jcamins There is something about Metro that makes it impossible for me to remember where it is.
12:08 jcamins It is somewhere in the vicinity of Union Square, but no matter how many times I go to events there, I forget exactly where.
12:11 kf jcamins: I did
12:19 kf jcamins++
12:21 jcamins Figured it out?
12:26 kf yeah
12:26 kf now the only question that remains is if my comments made any sense:)
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12:47 tcohen morning #koha
12:48 kf hi tcohen :)
12:49 kf tcohen: I've got a request :)
12:49 tcohen :)
12:49 kf bug 10120
12:49 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10120 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Fine recalculation on return needs to be a system preference
12:49 kf could you consider this for 3.12.x?
12:50 kf it missed 3.12 because it has a string change (new pref)
12:50 kf but the change itself is pretty clear, just adding an if construct in the right place
12:54 tcohen i'll take a look
12:58 kf tcohen: thanks :)
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13:02 tcohen #koha, are there experiences of out-of-schedule releases?
13:02 tcohen like "we wan't packages to work on wheeze"
13:12 tcohen is it possible to tell marc::lint not to warn about $9 fields?
13:12 tcohen besides that, the marc record checker plugin is nice
13:15 tcohen gmcharlt. kf: 10120 add a new syspref
13:15 tcohen how should I handle the DB numbering?
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13:45 kf tcohen: hm not sure, i would maybe check git for how it's been done in the past
13:47 tcohen kf: acq keeps telling me I have to define a budget
13:48 tcohen did u see that?
13:48 kf hm not so far
13:48 kf did yo define one?
13:48 tcohen yes
13:48 kf and a fund that is usable by your user?
13:48 kf i think it might be consuing budget/fund
13:48 tcohen oh, I should create a user
13:48 kf oh yes
13:48 kf for acq that's quite important
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14:00 kf tcohen: did it work
14:00 kf ?
14:00 tcohen yes, it worked
14:00 tcohen i never used acq before
14:00 kf oh good
14:00 tcohen i'll study them from now
14:00 kf feel free to ask me if you have any more problems :)
14:00 tcohen its my weakest bit
14:00 kf i know ther are not so many libraries using acq right now
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14:00 tcohen as we still don't use them
14:00 kf we got 2 out of 11 who do
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14:01 tcohen i'll introduce 3.12 next week
14:01 tcohen to our librarians, and focus on acq
14:01 tcohen (and reports)
14:11 gmcharlt @quote random
14:11 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #167: "<sekjal> yes, major project. very important" (added by chris_n at 07:58 PM, November 18, 2011)
14:14 tcohen bgkriegel++ # you'll see #koha
14:26 jenkins_koha Starting build #49 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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14:34 tcohen jonathan druart around?
14:35 Joubu Joubu: yep :)
14:44 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10290: Followup for Virtualshelves.t <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c0af8af3e9e36104e> / Bug 10290: UT: VirtualShelves.t needs to create its own data <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2d948a74afae20194>
14:55 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9744 - Add a column Fund name on the home page of acquisitions <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]11709281054641ab0>
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15:11 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #49: SUCCESS in 45 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.12.x/49/
15:11 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10036 - adding header search to additem page
15:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9507: prevent submit: refactor some code in a js file
15:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10310: Prevent submitting form with enter does not work with IE
15:11 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10036 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , adding header search to additem page
15:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10310: Followup Prevent submitting form with enter does not work with IE
15:11 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 10313 Fix link to invoice from orders
15:11 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9507 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Some code used to prevent form from being unexpectedly submitted is duplicated
15:11 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10310 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Prevent submit form pressing enter should be improved
15:11 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10313 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , selecting an invoice from the historic orders page does not take you to that invoice
15:11 jenkins_koha Starting build #1214 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1210 3 days 23 hr ago)
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15:59 tcohen c'mon jenkins_koha, launch that 3.12.x build
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16:26 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10290: UT: VirtualShelves.t needs to create its own data
16:26 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 10290: Followup for Virtualshelves.t
16:26 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9744 - Add a column Fund name on the home page of acquisitions
16:26 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10290 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , UT: VirtualShelves.t needs to create its own data
16:26 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9744 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pelletiermaxime, Pushed to Master , Add a column Fund name on the home page of acquisitions
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17:09 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 10120: Adding a syspref to control if overdue charges are updated on return
17:09 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10120: DBRev 3.12.00.001
17:09 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10284: Add missing spaces between label and content in XSLT view (780/785)
17:09 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10120 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Fine recalculation on return needs to be a system preference
17:09 jenkins_koha * Connor Fraser: Bug 7368: Correct three typos in history.txt
17:09 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10193 - Copies should be holdings as label for items on MARC view
17:09 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 10184 - Circulation History reverses sort order
17:09 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10284 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Missing spaces between label and content in XSLT view for 785/780
17:09 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7368 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , General staff client typo omnibus
17:09 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10193 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Copies should be holdings as label for items on MARC view
17:09 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10184 trivial, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Circulation History reverses sort order
17:14 jcamins łwin 3
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17:22 * jvr slaps jvr around a bit with a large fishbot
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17:24 pianohacker ... ?
17:25 jcamins pianohacker: Apparently if you use a ł instead of a slash, weird things happen.
17:25 pianohacker I was talking about jvr, but accidental <Compose>-/-l ?
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17:26 jcamins pianohacker: right, the reason for that was surely that I hit ł instead of slash when changing windows earlier... right?
17:26 jcamins And I don't really know how I ended up with ł.
17:26 pianohacker compose key ftw
17:27 jcamins Yeah, but my phone doesn't have one!
17:27 pianohacker oh. wait
17:27 pianohacker what?
17:27 jcamins Yeah, I was on my phone.
17:27 jcamins Weird, eh?
17:27 pianohacker no kidding. Does irssi have builtin digraph support, like vim?
17:28 jcamins I didn't think so, but I guess it's possible.
17:28 jcamins l
17:28 jcamins Doesn't look like it.
17:30 pianohacker huh, but screen does: http://www.gnu.org/software/sc[…]node/Digraph.html
17:31 jcamins Nifty.
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18:59 tcohen is it holiday on the US?
19:00 rambutan1 no
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19:15 jcamins tcohen: we already have a unit test for valid XML.
19:15 jcamins t/00-valid-xml.t :)
19:16 tcohen oh, I didn't find it, I thought everything related to validity was inside xt
19:16 jcamins Not necessarily.
19:19 tcohen its a pity i wasted those valiable minutes!
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19:26 * cait1 waves
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19:28 tcohen hi cait1
19:28 cait1 hi tcohen :)
19:30 druthb o/
19:31 cait1 hi druthb
19:31 cait1 :)
19:31 rambutan1 jcamins: can you kick rambutan plz and tnx
19:34 rambutan was kicked by jcamins: rambutan
19:34 jcamins Hm. I should've gone with /kick rambutan Bwahahahaha!
19:34 jcamins Next time.
19:34 wahanui it has been said that next time is in 87 years or something... ;-)
19:35 rambutan1 well, I still can change my nick to rambutan
19:35 rambutan1 can't
19:35 rambutan1 oh well
19:35 jcamins Apparently that kick wasn't effective enough.
19:36 pianohacker rambutan1: Do you have your nick registered? If so, you can tell nickserv to knock rambutan off the server
19:36 rambutan1 no, and in fact it is registered to somebody else, which is clearly the problem
19:36 rangi kick only kicks you out of the channel, the nick is server wide
19:36 pianohacker oh jeeze
19:36 jcamins Oh, that's because kick is for channels.
19:36 jcamins Interesting.
19:36 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
19:36 cait1 morning rangi
19:36 * jcamins didn't know that.
19:37 * druthb waves to pianohacker and jcamins and rangi
19:37 rangi rambutan [~Thunderbi@rhclbsc.rhcl.org]
19:37 rangi you have to wait for that to time out
19:37 rangi hi cait1 and druthb
19:37 rambutan1 yea, daem chat in thunderbird locks on to the chat, even if I don't have chat open there
19:38 rambutan1 locks onto the channel and nick, rather
19:39 rangi hmm
19:41 rangi We have a limited number of licenses, so your access may be blocked if 5 other libraries are logged in.   <-- that
19:41 rangi that is why proprietary software sux
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19:41 rangi anti features ftw!
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19:43 cait1 yah :(
19:47 Viktor A little embarrassed - did I break something with the staff interface translation? http://translate.koha-community.org/sv/312/
19:47 cait1 Viktor: hm have you uploaded a new file?
19:48 Viktor cait1 Yep. Just tried to upload the first delivery from our translators of the staff interface.
19:48 Viktor They did the opac just fine.
19:49 cait1 h
19:49 cait1 it looks fine when you go to the page
19:49 cait1 just the counter seems off?
19:49 cait1 oh
19:50 cait1 it went ot german when i logged in.. *sigh*
19:50 cait1 Viktor: did yo uoverwrite or merge on  upload?
19:50 cait1 it looks like the file is not there, maybe upload it again?
19:50 Viktor I did an overwrite.
19:50 cait1 hm that usually works fine
19:51 Viktor Ok - I'll give it a try. Thanks
19:53 Viktor Uploading (slowly) just now.
19:54 Viktor The translators had a question I couldn't answer myself. Do you translate the full string when it's formated like: "\"Basic Parameters\" is where library policies are set and governed. It is best to set your system preferences a..."
19:55 cait1 try to get rid of the \
19:55 cait1 they create problems
19:55 Viktor Aha!
19:55 cait1 better use single quotes in that case or no quotes
19:55 cait1 we had a mailing list mail about that i answered tody
19:58 bgkriegel Viktor, there is a problem in the translate server. I will look at that,
19:59 Viktor Thanks bgkriegel !
19:59 Viktor Thanks cait1
20:00 Viktor I've read up on the mail from today. I've told the translators to keep everything as it is, but if I understand correctly they should loose the newlines if they see any?
20:01 cait1 i think yes
20:01 cait1 pootle or the translation scripts? add an extra \ whatever you do
20:01 cait1 and that way you end up with \\n which shows as \n
20:02 Viktor They translate offline.
20:02 Viktor So If they se a \n  they should translate it to \\n?
20:02 cait1 yeah i have manually edited the po files in the past and then it was right I think, but probably safer to try and avoid
20:03 cait1 no actually it should be \n
20:03 cait1 but somehow somehwere an additional \ gets added
20:03 cait1 i think file a bug for those you find
20:03 tcohen hi rangi
20:03 Viktor Aha - So \\n should be translated to \n instead? :)
20:04 tcohen PS1='\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\]:\​[\033[01;34m\]\W\[\033[00m\]$(__git_ps1 "\[\e[1;33m\](%s)\[\e[0m\]")$ '
20:04 cait1 yep
20:04 cait1 tcohen: trying to scare us? :)
20:04 * mtj waves to #koha
20:04 Viktor Thanks cait1
20:05 tcohen sharing my PS1 from my .bashrc
20:05 tcohen I managed to use some colors and preserve line-wrap functionality
20:05 mtj tcohen++, aah yes, i saw your bashrc screenshot - very nice!
20:05 tcohen now bash tells me what branch i'm in if its a git repo
20:06 tcohen hi mtj
20:06 tcohen i thought i should waste my time in something more fun
20:06 tcohen heh
20:07 tcohen (more fun that things that were already solved heh)
20:07 mtj indeed :D
20:08 tcohen bye mtj, #koha
20:08 tcohen cya
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20:11 rangi !jenkins build koha_master now
20:11 jenkins_koha rangi: job koha_master build scheduled now
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20:16 * rangi takes kids to school
20:17 jvr Hi, anyone
20:17 jvr How do I solve this problem
20:17 jvr Last seen before (yyyy-mm-dd): text
20:17 jvr the text box is missing
20:17 cait1 first question?
20:17 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
20:18 jvr reports
20:18 cait1 so how does the sql look like?
20:18 cait1 which version of koha are oyu using?
20:18 jvr until last year it was functioning ok
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20:19 jvr SELECT b.title, i.barcode, i.itemcallnumber,        IF(i.onloan IS NULL, '', 'checked out') AS onloan  FROM biblio b  LEFT JOIN items i USING (biblionumber)  WHERE datelastseen < <<Last seen before (yyyy-mm-dd)>>                   AND i.homebranch=<<Home branch|branches>>  ORDER BY datelastseen DESC, i.itemcallnumber ASC
20:19 jvr 3.8 and 3.10
20:19 wahanui 3.8 and 3.10 are going along ok - I don't know if there's all that much to say about it
20:20 jcamins wahanui: forget 3.8 and 3.10
20:20 wahanui jcamins: I forgot 3.8 and 3.10
20:20 cait1 hm in 3.10 that might work: <last seen|date>>
20:21 cait1 <<last seen...
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20:22 jvr change sql to |date and it works on 3.8
20:22 wahanui jvr: that doesn't look right
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20:22 jvr thank you all
21:28 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
21:28 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1215: FIXED in 1 hr 17 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1215/
21:29 rangi yay
21:36 cait1 good night all
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21:48 jcamins I didn't even know that master was broken. \o/
21:48 rangi was just the xisbn test
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22:20 mtj hi peeps, i need some koha advice on a SCO bug...
22:21 mtj is there any reason why a library would want to stop a patron from returning an item (via the SCO) if that patron has a BLOCKED account?
22:23 mtj i ask, as i have experienced this behaviour in master
22:23 mtj afaict, this is a bug that needs fixing
22:24 mtj …is there a possibility that someone has designed this behaviour, as a intended feature?
22:25 mtj .
22:25 mtj good news - the bug is pretty easy to reproduce
22:26 mtj 1/ issue an item
22:26 mtj 2/ issue another item, with a datedue set to 1 year ago
22:27 mtj 3/ attempt to return either item, via the sco
22:28 wizzyrea yes, it's intended - especially if the item is missing
22:28 wizzyrea at least, for one library's value of intended
22:28 wizzyrea people would squeal, I think, if that went away
22:29 mtj hmmm, ok...
22:30 mtj so, some syspref would need to be created to override that behaviour
22:30 wizzyrea I guess the thinking is that the staff want tto talk to people that have books that long overdue?
22:30 mtj 'SCOAllowReturnIfPatronBlocked'
22:31 mtj yeah, i totally get that too
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22:32 mtj we've got a tricky situ with a library whos librarian works 1 day a week...
22:33 mtj some punters who have a $1  fine, cant return their items via SCO
22:33 eythian hi
22:33 mtj so they leave their items in the dropbox
22:33 mtj heya eythian
22:33 wahanui i heard eythian was great at jokes. That everyone else misses them isn't his problem.
22:34 mtj …but the dropboxed items dont get scanned for x days, and accure fines
22:35 wizzyrea sounds like more of a bug with dropbox mode
22:35 mtj ...so this library wants to allow people to return items via the SCO, even if they have fines, etc
22:35 wizzyrea iirc you can only set dropbox mode for 1 day back?
22:35 mtj hmm, thats a good point wiz
22:35 wizzyrea it would be highly desirable to have dropbox mode be configurable
22:36 * wizzyrea can relate to libraries only open a few days a week
22:37 eythian it would get confusing when they're open, say, two days.
22:37 eythian that might be an unusual case though
22:37 mtj hmm, we might have to go for the quifkfix here, and add a syspref to allow this SCO behaviour
22:38 wizzyrea if dropbox mode is configurable, they can set the number of days, preferably on the return screen
22:38 wizzyrea "library was last open X days ago"
22:38 wizzyrea or something
22:38 wahanui hmmm... something is fishy
22:38 wizzyrea it's your mom, wahanui.
22:38 wahanui wizzyrea: excuse me?
22:38 wizzyrea you heard me
22:39 wizzyrea or tell dbm the last date you were open
22:39 gmcharlt if wahanui is an infobot, does that make its mom a databot?
22:39 * wizzyrea giggles
22:39 wizzyrea @quote add <gmcharlt> if wahanui is an infobot, does that make it's mom a databot?
22:39 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #255 added.
22:39 wizzyrea doh rogue apostrophe
22:39 wizzyrea curses.
22:39 gmcharlt wizzyrea: tell, and to be fancy, deduce the likely last date open from the calendar
22:39 mtj wizzyrea, thanks for the info - its good to have the SCO behaviour confirmed
22:40 wizzyrea well that would be super fancy
22:40 pianohacker if its mom is a databot, its uncle is a lorebot
22:41 wizzyrea heheheheheh
22:44 mtj hmm, i wonder what are the gotchas around a setting a configable $days value for dropbox?
22:45 mtj ...people would have gotten various emails about their overdue item
22:46 wizzyrea but no fines, which is what they're really concerned about
22:46 mtj that would now be invalid
22:46 wizzyrea and turn on checkin notices, they'd get an email when it's checked in
22:47 eythian it'd be easy enough to add a note saying "if you've already returned it, those fines won't be applied" or something
22:47 wizzyrea ^^
22:47 wizzyrea "we are only here on Tuesday, so you can safely ignore this if your item is in the dropbox"
22:47 mtj eythian++ yeah, good idea
22:47 wizzyrea "if you'd like to know when we check in your items -> procedure for doing that from the opac"
22:48 mtj obviously, the biggie is rolling back the fines...
22:49 wizzyrea dropbox mode already does that?
22:49 wizzyrea OR they could set a fine grace period of the max number of days
22:49 mtj ...its been a while since ive looked at the accountlines code/tables
22:50 wizzyrea and give up a weeks worth of fines but not annoy people
22:50 mtj yep...
22:51 wizzyrea so, several ways to skin that cat I think
22:51 druthb :-O
22:51 mtj i'll do some tests with returns, using a 7-days dropbox, and see what happens
22:52 druthb wizzyrea is skinning cats now?
22:52 * druthb hides Pixel
22:52 wizzyrea hehe, no, silly.
22:52 mtj ...would be a nice win to sort that
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22:55 mtj hey pianohacker, did your busted arm heal up ok?
23:01 pianohacker mtj: I did have a surgery recently, but you may be thinking of someone else :)
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23:22 tcohen hi eythian
23:22 eythian hi
23:23 tcohen what do u think? is it worth?
23:23 pianohacker oy vey. Firefox's XSLT processor returns the same error code for 25 separate errors...
23:25 eythian tcohen: It might be easier if I just made a 3.12.0.1 release, rather than needing to change the release schedule.
23:25 eythian that way it's only work for me, not everyone :)
23:25 tcohen I agree, what can I do to help you?
23:26 eythian probably don't need to do anything.
23:26 dcook mtj++
23:26 dcook mtj: You around?
23:26 mtj dcook, yes-ish :)
23:26 eythian wahanui: seen bgkriegel
23:26 wahanui bgkriegel was last seen on #koha 3 hours, 28 minutes and 14 seconds ago, saying: Viktor, there is a problem in the translate server. I will look at that,  [Mon Jun  3 19:58:45 2013]
23:27 eythian bgkriegel: about?
23:27 mtj pianohacker, didnt you break your arm falling off your bike?
23:27 dcook mtj: Awesome that you want to update the MARC21 fields/subfields :D. I'm sure you already know but I think rangi has already done quite a bit of that in terms of frameworks: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/MARC_frameworks
23:27 mtj dcook, whats up?
23:27 dcook I don't think it's quite complete but perhaps a good baseline?
23:28 mtj yes, indeed
23:28 pianohacker mtj: Yeah, broke some fingers falling off my bike a few years ago
23:28 pianohacker healed perfect, thanks to having a physical therapist for a mom :)
23:29 wizzyrea nengard - about?
23:29 bgkriegel hi
23:29 wahanui hola, bgkriegel
23:29 mtj dcook, something i have recently realised… the MARC21 update-16 spec, includes all those RDA fields
23:29 dcook Yep yep
23:30 eythian bgkriegel: are you able to have a look into putting bug 10367 into 3.8?
23:30 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10367 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , Allow packages to work on debian wheezy
23:30 eythian err
23:30 eythian 3.10
23:30 bgkriegel :)
23:30 dcook That's why I'm glad that you're deciding to update the frameworks. I think they those fields should be in the default framework since they are part of the official spec
23:30 bgkriegel ok, I''ll look asap
23:30 eythian cheers
23:31 rangi eythian: cjh does 3.8.x
23:31 rangi bgkriegel does 3.10.x
23:31 eythian rangi: yeah, it was a thinko
23:31 cjh what did I break
23:31 mtj dcook, yep, i think everyone agrees on that point :)
23:31 eythian no nothing, I typed the wrong version number
23:31 dcook mtj: Yay!
23:31 eythian s/I.*/yet./ ;)
23:32 mtj dcook, the next task is to update the xslt files, for those new MARC fields too
23:32 dcook I suppose with custom XSLTs, there is no reason to change the existing XSLT or TT templates
23:32 dcook Oh?
23:33 dcook While I agree in theory, I'm not sure how that information should be presented. As rangi mentioned, I'm not sure anyone actually knows "why" they need RDA fields.
23:33 dcook I've seen them in the Library of Congress catalogue, but that's about it
23:33 cjh dcook: because RDA is a cool buzzword and koha must be fully buzzword-compliant
23:34 dcook Well, it's not necessarily a buzzword
23:34 rangi id make a new RDA one
23:34 rangi xslt one
23:34 rangi ppl can type default
23:34 dcook It does refer to a new description 'standard' (or anti-standard) and a set of MARC changes
23:34 rangi or rda
23:34 rangi only for marc21
23:34 dcook rangi: That could work
23:34 rangi and anglophones (and germans)
23:35 rangi lets not make the current xslt bigger and slower for fields thatn .0000001% of records will ever use
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23:35 * dcook nods
23:35 dcook Well..
23:35 dcook It's not that the records won't use them
23:35 dcook It's that the people won't use them
23:35 rangi its both
23:35 dcook An increasing number of people are cataloguing using RDA, me thinks
23:35 rangi yep
23:36 dcook Especially at places like LoC and LibrariesAustralia
23:36 rangi and in 1038 years
23:36 dcook So if they're copy cataloguing, they're going to be getting those RDA records
23:36 rangi they might have caught up with the amount that arent in aarc2
23:36 eythian hello papa
23:36 rangi no one afaik is going back through all the already catalogued stuff
23:36 eythian papa: good work on yesterday's sign-off binge :)
23:36 dcook Mmm, I see what you're saying
23:36 papa well hello!
23:36 dcook rangi: Fortunately no one is that mad?
23:36 rangi exactly
23:36 rangi but it does limit the usefulness
23:36 rangi RDA for new books
23:36 rangi is what we are saying
23:37 dcook new books or new editions, I suppose
23:37 rangi and only some
23:37 dcook Mmm
23:37 rangi depending on who you get your records from
23:37 rangi its why without a crosswalk
23:37 dcook But yes, I like the idea of not having the default necessarily have those RDA fields
23:37 dcook But having an option is good
23:37 rangi yep
23:38 rangi i want to follow a trend that even the LOC have moved off of
23:38 rangi tick the RDA box
23:38 dcook Mind you, ideally, a system where librarians/sysadmins could pick and choose which fields to show in a user-friendly way would be awesome
23:38 dcook rangi: Pretty much
23:38 dcook There's something to be keeping up but not dwelling...
23:38 dcook something to be said for*
23:39 dcook Having RDA options will be great (yay mtj and bgkriegel), but I think post-MARC work will be the most valuable going forward
23:40 rangi exactly
23:40 rangi adn with the xslt, you can easily just type rda in the box to use the rda xslt
23:40 * dcook nods
23:41 dcook Yet another reason to move away from TT templates for search/detail displays...
23:41 dcook That's more an internal/self-directed comment than anything else :p
23:41 cjh heh
23:41 cjh talking to yourself in public again?
23:41 dcook Pretty much :p
23:42 dcook Now that I think about it...
23:42 dcook gmcharlt: Are you around?
23:42 dcook I just remembered that there was that module maintainer idea...
23:42 dcook I'm wondering if there are any post-MARC plans or if it's more so just on the wishlist atm
23:43 rangi there definitely are
23:43 rangi im hoping we head towards magnus' semantikoha
23:44 rangi but gmcharlt has plans too
23:44 cjh semantic koha sounds awesome
23:45 dcook Mmm, I'd forgotten a bout semantikoha...
23:45 dcook http://libriotech.no/blogs/semantikoha
23:46 cjh open source ILS + open linked data = WIN
23:47 dcook magnuse++ I quite like the way he wrote that
23:48 dcook rangi: Awesome to hear :)
23:56 dcook mtj: Just noticed bgkriegel's email about having a script to scrape and parse the LoC MARC sites. That's awesome!

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